Gun Review Series: CZ 75 Tactical Sport Orange (E25)
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This is the second gun review of the series. In this video, I review the CZ Tactical Sport Orange .40 S&W and make some comparisons to the Tanfoglio Limited Custom.
The CZ Tactical Sport Orange is an extremely nice pistol. CZ has made a number of very good improvements to the TS Orange compared to the older / standard Tactical Sport. These changes have definitely enhanced the Tactical Sport Orange. At the time of the review, I had approximately 500 rounds through the gun after having taken possession of it about 6 months ago and used it in one IPSC match. The Limited Custom that I compare to the TS Orange, I have been using for 6.5 years in IPSC competition and have put over 32,000 rounds through it. The first review of this series is on the Tanfoglio Limited Custom if you are looking for more information on that gun go to the following link - • Gun Review Series: Tan... .
I found the CZ Tactical Sport Orange to be very similar to the Tanfoglio Limited Custom. The weight is almost identical although the TS Orange is slightly heavier. As for the feel of it in my hands, I liked it the minute I picked it up as the feel was near identical to my Limited Custom. CZ truly did improve the grip the TS Orange making the back and fore-straps much sharper and aggressive in comparison to the standard TS guns. As well, the under-cut by the trigger guard and under beavertail are deeper contributing to the enhanced grip of the gun.
I have only changed one thing in the gun. I replaced the guide rod and recoil spring with a DPM Recoil Reduction System. I use a DPM in the Limited Custom and in a number of other guns. The DPM delivers what it promises hence why I run one in my main competition gun, the Tanfoglio Limited Custom and put one in the Tactical Sport Orange.
A couple of additional comments or further clarification about the gun that I didn't mention in the video are as follows:
TRIGGER - the trigger reset is very short and very smooth.
GRIP - the grip panel design is near identical to the Eric Grauffel Xtreme Grip Panels for the Tanfoglio Limited Custom. These grip panels are nice and sharp which contributes to obtaining a good solid grip on the gun.
MAG WELL - I was disappointed with the fact that the extended mag well is not blended into the pistol's mag well. There is an edge all around the mag well that the mags can get caught on during speed reloads. I think this is a major oversight by CZ and I'm very surprised that the CZ shooters who helped in the design / improvements in the TS Orange over-looked this issue. I will be using a Dremel tool to reduce the edges and create a better blending between the extended mag well and the pistol's mag well. This is a must to ensure that speed reloads can be conducted smoothly and consistently without the possibility of getting hung up on the current edges that exist.
SLIDE & FRAME - are longer than the Limited Custom and the frame of the TS Orange is not sculpted like the older / standard Tactical Sport. Therefore, the added length and fuller frame (no sculpting) contributes to the pistol's overall weight thereby making it slightly heavier than the Limited Custom.
DPM RECOIL REDUCTION SYSTEM - the DPM works and delivers as promised reducing muzzle flip and dip and felt recoil is softer. I highly recommend the use of the DPM. I have over 17,000 rounds of use on the DPM that I have installed in my Tanfoglio Limited Custom. I suggest you check out the DPM website - www.dpmsystems.com . There is an excellent video explaining how the DPM works.
MAGAZINES - the magazines are disappointing as they are made up of two main parts, the steel mag body and a plastic extension block to make the magazine the correct overall length. The plastic block is obviously CZ's solution to limiting the magazine's capacity to 10 rounds for those countries that have a 10 round capacity limitations by law. There is simply too much movement between the two pieces of the magazine. The better solution to limiting the capacity of the magazine would be to use a all metal body and knock some dimples into the mag body at the 10 round mark just as Tanfoglio has done to their magazines. This would eliminate the requirement of the plastic block extension thereby the mag would be one solid steel body with no movement / flexing in the overall magazine as there is with the mags current mags that I have. Canada has a10 round capacity limitation by law just like the state of California, USA.
Bottom line is that the CZ Tactical Sport Orange is an extremely nice gun and is ready for competition coming right out the box. I look forward to using it in more matches and recommend this pistol as a possible contender for anyone looking for an IPSC Standard Division gun. You certainly want to look at this gun before making your final decision for a gun.
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In the end I bought both the CZ TSO, STI DVC Limited, and a Pardini GT9 5-inch. I put about 250 rounds through the TSO in a couple of range days. Interesting recoil...not snappy, but it pushes back in the hand slightly - I installed the 13lb recoil spring tonight. I was also shooting my HK USP Expert in 9mm to compare the two. The CZ TSO is very accurate and the trigger pull is light making it easy to gets a lot of rounds down range quickly! My TSO weighs in at 3 pounds (1357g) unloaded! The fit and finish are great! I really love this CZ!
Congrats on buying both etc TSO and STI DVC!!! You sound like me....can't make my mind....buy both! Haha! The trigger on the TSO is outstanding. I would be very interested in hearing thoughts about the DVC Limited after you have put through 500-1000 rounds. Hearing a comparison of the two gun would be very interesting as well.
The Limited should be here Thursday...the Pardini should be here in July.
I have about 400 rounds through the TSO and 300 rounds through the Limited. The TSO is a flatter shooter due to the weight. Both are a pure joy to shoot. I sold five guns (HKs, Sig, FN) to move into this catagory of handgun and I am very pleased I did!
Great to hear!! I knew that you'd be very pleased with the TSO. I haven't shoot a DVC Limited but I have hand one in my hands. Sure felt nice.
I’ve put 300 rounds through the DVC Limited. It does have slightly more recoil than the TSO. Accuracy is the same in both. The STI is a well built pistol, but the CZ is well built too. Magazine capacity is great on both (20 for the TSO and 21 for the Limited). Both are great shooters!!!! I did get my STI DVC Costa Carry Comp yesterday and shot it today (200 rounds). Very fast shooter with minimal recoil. Super fun to throw rounds down range. I’ve put off buying the Pardini and I’m now looking at a 10mm range toy. I’m looking at the CZ DW Bruin and the Sig Sauer P220 Match Elite SAO.
Thanks John. After watching many TSO reviews I just have to say without doubt your honest and realistic review hits the mark on this pistol.The best 30 minutes anyone can spend if they're looking to purchase a TSO. I've just ordered a mine today. Just like in Canada, Australia has laws that limit the mag to 10 rounds. This is the only thing I don't like about the TSO. Again thank you for a great review.
Thanks for your comments and feedback. Much appreciated. It's a very nice pistol and you will not be disappointed with it. I did finally get around to blending the magwell so that the edge / ledge/ lip no longer exists and the mags will no longer get hung up during a speed reload. I have yet to take the gun to the range and practice with it to confirm how well of a job I did with the blending. I have done numerous speed reloads during dry fire practice and the mags are going in more smoothly. I will say that the pistol's mag well is tight so the mags must be inserted fairly straight as if the mag is at a slight angle, it will bind for sure. As for the extended magwell issue, I believe I have rectified the issue now.
Just got into the sport and your reviews on the Tanfoglios and the CZs are hands down the best. Thanks!
Thanks very much for your positive comment. I’m happy that my reviews on both guns were informative for you. Thanks again for your comment!
Hi John. Thanks for you suggestions. I have just finish the black badge course looking to join the first match on Jan 22 at Calgary.
Great to hear. Congrats on the completion of the course. Make sure you do lots of dry practice before the Jan match. Of course getting some live fire practice would be beneficial as well but dry fire you could do every second day or so. It's a great way to make sure that you are completely comfortable with handing your gun and following the RO's commands or Load and Make Ready and the unload process, etc. Furthermore, you can work on your draw and speed reloads at home. Use dummy rounds if you have some.
Best TSO review I have seen and the only review I have seen that notes the poor blend of the magwell (12:15) . If you decide to blend that better one day it would be nice to know how things come out.
Thanks for the positive feedback. I will definitely blend the magwell. I can still conduct good speed reloads but not with the same ease as I can with the Tanfoglio Limited Custom. What I mean by this comment is that with the Limited Custom, I don't have to think about the speed reload....I simply do it. With the TS Orange, I must actually concentrate on the speed reload as I must be more accurate at guiding the mag into the magwell without hanging up on the edge of the pistol mag well. There is no way I want to go into a competition with that possibility of getting the mag hung up on a speed reload. It could have a serious effect on the outcome of a stage or even the match. I will post a short video showing showing a before and after when I complete the blending work.
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Your comparison to the Tanfo is identical to my impression from comparing to my 2011 with a well matched magwell.
Thanks :-)
Hi. I thought I would give you an update on the TSO magwell blending issue. I shoot a Steel match with the TSO and the magwell caused me no end of grief. 80% of my speed reloads were not smooth as the mags hit the lip between the extended magwell and the pistol's magwell. I even damaged three mags as a result. I will be seeing the CZ Team and Rep at the Canadian Nationals in mid-July where I will be bring this issue to their attention with the Canadian CZ Distributor. Therefore, I will not blend the magwell just yet until after my meeting with the CZ Rep as I want to show them my gun and mags. I will be working with them at a demonstration shooting bay at the Nationals so I should be able to get their full attention to discuss the issue. Afterwards, I will use my Dremel to blend the magwell and I will make a short video showing the result.
any update on the magwell?
Again a very good review. Thanks for the comparison with the Tanfo.
Thank you and glad you liked the review.
Great work on the entire review series. I would like to know how the grip demensions and overall feel compare between the TS Orange and Limited Custom with Xtreme panels?
Very nice... and honest review! To your viewers... not you. They need to take into fact that there are competition shooters that do not fit their field/view of the shooting sport... Yet it remains the same none the less. I only shoot 8 station Steel Challenge matches... Not your or many others topic of interest. Yet your review was still dead on for this gun within this sport! The real point your making is ... you/we need to make our guns fit our particular match! You seemed to prove the CZ TS Orange is up to the challenge no matter what sport we shoot. As shooters we know there is no magic gun... that can make you the best... But there is a gun than can help you shoot the best.
If it was only the gun... then we would not need hundreds of hours and ammo... would we :-)
Thanks :-) Your comments are very true / valid. The I speak to the pros and cons of the CZ TS Orange or any other gun, I view it first as a competition gun for my primary shooting sport....IPSC / USPSA. Although most of my review points / comments are valid in the general sense for everyday shooting, my emphasis is always from the view point of a competitive IPSC / USPSA / IDPA shooter.
No gun is perfect out of the box (close to perfect but not perfect) no matter how much attention the manufacturer paid towards the development / design of the gun. Custom guns are likely a different story but I have not had the pleasure to own a custom gun. If any issues are identified with the gun, the shooter should try to rectify the issue(s) if possible. Why? Every edge that can be gained in competition should be taken if you are a serious competitor. With the CZ TS Orange, the issue is the extended magwell not being perfectly blended with the pistol's magwell which needs to be addressed if the smoothest and fastest speed reloads are to be achieved.
Thank you for the review. Very informative. Looking to purchase one for PPC matches.
Glad you found my review informative. Thanks for taking the time to provide me with the positive feedback.
Very good reviews and videos for IPSC! Subscribed.
For background to my question: I run a Shadow1 in production division and hated the factory mags. Replaced them with full tube Mecgars (10 rnds Canadian limited by dimples) with Springer Precision aluminium base plates. Works very well. I am lurking at the standard division in major a lot. The problem is that I do not want to go the STI 2011 route: saw to many finicky mags and jams. Budget is also a factor!
What alternative, if any, have you found to the factory mags of the TSO? I had no luck finding a similar solution like my Shadow. I am on the fence between the Tanfoglio limited custom (upgrading to extreme parts and trigger job) and the TSO. Watched both reviews and I am leaning to the TSO but the mags are a real show stopper.
By the way, many thanks for the 3 parts equipment video series. It helped me a lot to start correctly. Made a well informed purchase for my belt, holster and pouches. No regrets after a lot of use. Recommended watch to new shooters.
Sorry for my late response. I’m catching up on replies.... Glad to hear that my videos have provided you with useful information. Thanks for positive comments and for subscribing.
Virtually everyone I know that is running a STI 2011 has feed issues all due to the mags. For the price of these guns, you’d think the STI mags would be tuned and work properly. I purchased a SPS Pantera .40 S&W and the mags are working great. I’ve heard that since the SPS Pantera has come onto the US market, that many STI shooters have been using the SPS mags which apparently work better than the STI mags.
Both the Tanfoglio Limited Custom and TSO are extremely nice guns and perform exceptionally well. Two issues with the TSO, the two part mags we get in Canadian with the gun and the extended magwell is not blended into the pistol grip. I solved the mag issue by getting full metal body CZ mags and I put some nice “extended” base pads on the mags. The magwell is a big concern due to the fact that the extended magwell and pistol’s mag well are not blended and during speed reloads, the mag will hit and get stuck on the ledge in the magwell. I have yet to take my Dremel tool and do the required blending but I will as it is a MUST if you intend to use the TSO in competition. The Tanfoglio Limited Custom certainly does not have this issue and I can conduct faster and smoother speed reloads with the Limnited Custom compared to the TSO as a result.
Without a doubt the TSO mag and magwell issue is a show stopper in my opinion if you plan on using the TSO in competition. So, unless you get better mags (likely need to get full metal body high cap mags pinned to 10 rounds) and you are prepared to blend the extended magwell with a Dremel tool, don’t get the TSO. It hurts me to say this as the TSO is an extremely nice gun: beautiful weight, outstanding trigger, fantastic sight and grip, etc BUT the mags are crap and the extended magwell issue so unfortunate for. Such a well designed gun which is “ready” for competition right out of the box.
Thanks for your time and effort here. I’m curious, how is it different than the tactical sport that’s two toned?
Thank you, you comment is much appreciated. The differences between the TSO and any Tactical Sport are , the TSO has, larger trigger guard, significantly more aggressive fore and back straps, bigger beaver tail, the undercut in the pistol below the beavertail is higher, fibre front sight, enhanced redesigned rear sight, slightly heavier frame (look at a picture of both pistols), larger extended magwell, smoother / lighter trigger, it has a thumb rest, different competition hammer, and aggressive aluminum grip panels. Hope this info helps.
It does, thank. You. The TSO is not available to us here in California unless a PPT so used. Some one is selling one right now for $3K. They really hurt everyone by price gouging cause they can. I'd like one but I did fire a TS and got the best groups Ive ever gotten in my life in the ten minutes I used it. Picking up an SP01 on the 10th.
@@infini1970 - Great. The TSO is really a tuned competition gun. Every enhancement of the TSO over the TS, is incremental in terms of making the TSO all that much better than a regular TS. It's too bad that the TSO is not available in CA. It's also a bummer that if one is available as a private sale that the price is so high. The SP01 is a very nice handgun and you are getting more gun than you realize for the cost. I recommend the SP01 to everyone who is looking for their first competition gun and / or if they are looking for a multi-purpose quality gun.
I'm not surprised at your reaction to shooting the TS. If you get a chance to shoot a TSO, I'm sure you will notice the different and then you'll just have to get one :-) I forgot to mention that the trigger reset on the TSO compared to the TS is a little shorter.
Well, enjoy your Shadow SP01 when you get it on the 10th.
Thanks, yes that's exactly why I'm getting one. I'm really done with Polymer frames. I went through lots of phases and pistols till I started testing them first. That led me to my full size Sig 1911 R the rest is history going into CZ's. Definitely looking at beginners competition at some point next year.
Man, that Tangfoglio is like a F1 car vs a Ferrari.
Yes it is!!
Great video!
Thank you!
Do you have any experience with the blue witness limited extreme 2 with the 4.75 inch barrel. I was wondering how you think it compares to the TSO and if you think it’s Competition ready right out of the box? I have shot the TSO and love the trigger and everything about it but am interested in getting the Tanfoglio. Any suggestions or thoughts?
I haven't shot a Tanfoglio Limited Xtreme 2 but I have shot a Tanfoglio Xtreme Stock 2. It's sort of unfair to compare the Stock 2 and the TSO as the TSO is a single action gun and the Stock 2 is double action. The TSO trigger is much better than the Stock 2 Xtreme. I can tell you that as I have shot the Stock 2 Xtreme. I'm not sure how much better the Limited Custom Xtreme's trigger is compared to the Stock 2 and the TSO. An Tanfoglio Xtreme model is competition ready out of the box but the question really is...Is the trigger as good or better than the CZ TSO. I can't answer that but I can tell you that the trigger job I did to my Tanfoglio Limited Custom (standard model which I up0grade with Xtreme parts) is as good as the TSO. I would say that if the Xtreme Limited Custom's trigger isn't as smooth and light as the CZ TSO, it would be very easy to correct that issue. Pull out the trigger bar and polish it to a mirror finish. That is what I did to my standard model Limited Custom and I installed a Henning trigger as it did not have a flat trigger. Now I have a 1 lbs 11 oz trigger pull. The Xtreme Limited Custom will be completely pimped out with all the Xtreme parts so as I said, if the trigger isn't as smooth or light as the CZ TSO, all that should be required to solve that issue is polishing up the trigger bar of the Xtreme Limited Custom.
Tank you very much¡ great work¡. Only one question, What gun do you prefer CZ orange or Tanfoglio Limited?, for 40SW.
I prefer the Tanfoglio Limited Custom.
Excellent review! Have you met the cz reps yet, and decided to blend your magwell? I'd love to see a video of it!
I did meet with the CZ reps and we spoke mainly about the magazines. When I return from the IPSC World Shoot XVIII (France), I will blend the magwell and II'll post a short video.
thank you for the informative video. Is it possible to change the mag release, to a smaller one? I recently shot a Tactical Sport and the mag release was digging into my left hand real bad. Is there a shorter one on the market?
I'm not aware of a shorter mag release for the TS. What is your grip like? Are you using a traditional grip where your left hand thumb is along side the frame of the gun right below the slide? Send me a picture of your grip on the TS - Drvar97@hotmail.com .
John - can you please provide some context with respect to shooting in the Standard Division. Specifically, I notice most don't seem to use 9mm and what does one gain having a separate gun over the Shadow 2 to use solely in the Std Division? Also is it typical for most to compete in more than one division in an event? Thks
The normal caliber in Standard Division is 40 S&W. If you use a 9mm, you will be at a disadvantage. In Std Div you can shoot major or minor power factor (PF) so 9mm is minor PF. Scoring will be different for the minor PF shooter: Alpha hit is 5 pts, Charlie hit is 2 pts and Delta is 1 pt whereas the major PF shooter gets: Alpha hit 5 pts, Charlie hit 3 pts and Delta 2 pts. The minor PF shooter will have to shoot a lot more Alphas to be able to compete with the major PF shooter. The Standard Division guns tend to be higher end guns (more customized, better triggers, etc than the Production Guns. Of course if you are using a Production gun in Standard Div, you could customize it in the same approved ways for a Std Div. The main point is that shooting minor PF in Std Div puts most shooters at a disadvantage. You cannot compete in two different Division at the same match (event) but you can shoot one match in Production and then another match in Standard and switch between all the Divisions as long as you have the appropriate gun so that you can be competitive with the other Division shooters. Most IPSC / USPSA shooter stick to one Division but there are many that shoot in two Divisions.
@@ShootersInc ok thanks again
i'm waiting for that video, john!! u know it!
Hope you like it!!
Thank you for the great review John. I am a left handed TS shooter. My TS is modded with reduced height fiber optic sights, grip augmentation with sand and epoxy and tapping for a right side thumbrest. Is it worth upgrading to a TS Orange?
Thanks for the positive feedback :-) I have a close friend who has been shooting the CZ TS (standard model) for years and he is absolutely happy that he upgraded to the TS Orange. I have shot his standard CZ TS and I would say that it is worth the upgrade to the TS Orange. I wonder if the TS Orange is able in a left handed model? Hmmm, would be worth asking so that you would not have to do anything to have a thumb rest mounted.
Sent a query to CZUB via my local dealer. The answer was no. :( Thanks for responding quickly!
That's a bummer but I'm sure that you could get someone to drill and tap the right side for a thumb rest. Of course, you would have to either get a thumb rest made or find a left handed one. I'm sure you could find someone to copy the CZ thumb rest but for a lefty. Maybe CR Speed makes a RHT thumb rest for a left handed shooter. I have RHT thumb rests on my Tanfoglio Limited Customs. Anyhow, just a thought...trying to help :-)
hi, great review! I think this is the fifth time I watched it :D just can't decide between limited custom Xtreme and TSO. any plans on doing a review of Xtreme model?
thank you for all info
Thanks for the positive comments. Hmmm, it's a tough choice between the Xtreme Limited Custom and CZ TS Orange. I recommend the Xtreme Limited Custom. Sorry, as I already own two Limited Customs which I have converted into the Xtreme model, I won't be buying a Xtreme Limited Custom so I cannot make a review on that particular model. To be honest, as long as CZ doesn't blend the extended magwell better into the pistol magwell, the Tanfoglio Xtreme Limited Custom is the gun to get.
hello again, one more thing. Can you tell me which firing pin does not require a firing pin safety block? where to look for it?
Does Xtreme Firing Pin 2.0 by Eric Grauffel require a firing pin safety block? been looking for it but I'm not quite sure what to look for. thank you
Sorry for the late reply. Are you in Canada? If yes, Freedom Ventures in Halifax sells the Xtreme firing pins. They use to carry both versions of the Xtreme firing pin. One version doesn't required the firing pin safety block. Using that firing pin will help reduce your trigger pul between .25-.5 lbs. I can also buy the firing pins from Eric Grauffel's on-line store. As for what does the Xtreme firing pin look like that doesn't require the firing pin safety block....best way to describe it is that it doesn't look anything like the firing pin that requires the firing safety block. I would need to send you a picture of the firing pin but I'm sure that there are pictures of both firing pins on Eric Grauffel's on-line store.
Do you run DPM Recoil Reduction System in your Shadow 2?
Yes, I do run a DPM in my Shadow 2 but I only use the DPM when I am shooting a steel match as it is not legal to use for IPSC in Production Division. The DPM works extremely well in the Shadow 2!!
Great thank you for your time i will order mine today .
Great to hear!! Enjoy the Shadow 2 with the DPM when you receive it!
I know you run the DPM system in your tso. Wondered what spring you run for mild loads?
Thanks
This is not a simple straight forward question to answer. The best way to determine which spring provides your the optimal benefits in terms or reducing felt recoil, muzzle flip and dip is to try the different springs with your specific load. Shoot at least 3 mags with each spring to determine the differences between spring and determine which is the best spring.
I do run a DPM in the TSO. I recently shoot some lighter loads and kept the same DPM spring in the gun as I felt it was doing a good job. I could have changed the spring and perhaps next time I will try the other springs. Currently, I am using the middle spring. I'm shooting a 180gr H-Tek Supercoat bullet in my reloads with Vit N320 powder, 4.6gr if I recommend correctly. I at the Canadian Nationals so I can only confirm when I get back home.
I have been enjoying your videos...I am just starting out in pistol shooting and wanted to know a little more about training. Therefore, based upon your experience in competition shooting - what is typically the average range that steel and cardboard targets are shot at? thks
Also do you have any other videos of the TSO in action during competition? thks
Thanks, I'm always happy to hear that people enjoy my videos! If you are just starting out in pistol shooting, you have a good taste for guns as the CZ TSO is a beauty. Just remember that the TSO is a SA gun so that would mean you have to compete in Standard Division for IPSC. If your intent is to compete in IPSC Production Division, I would recommend one of the following guns: Tanfoglio Stock II, Tanfoglio Stock III, Beretta 92X Performance, CZ Shadow SP-01and Shadow 2.
In regards to training and target distances, typically, you will find steel targets between 10 and 20 yards / meters and on average between 10 - 25 yards / meters for the IPSC paper targets (cardboard). Most people tend to not like shooting at targets beyond 25 yards / meters as accuracy really comes into play and the further targets slow down the shooting. Too many people think that IPSC / USPSA shooting is all about speed. Well, yes and no. Accuracy is primacy then speed. You need to be very accurate in order to give up some accuracy for speed and not have the loss of accuracy adversely affect your overall performance. I tell my friends and students that they should work on becoming as accurate as they can and concentrate on accuracy in their first two years of competing as well as learning the "game" of IPSC and USPSA shooting. Speed will come with time and experience so don't push it. Become an accurate shooter first than work on speed or shooting and movement.
I like to train with mini poppers, mini IPSC targets and standard IPSC targets. Using steel plates is also good for working on accuracy. I always try to have a mix of mini and standard IPSC paper targets but usually more standard size than mini targets. Always start your practice sessions with some accuracy training first. Shoot a few 5 round groups with two hands, then a few with strong and weak-hand. Do your grouping shooting between 7 and 20/25 yards / meters. Start at the closer distance to build your confidence. Don't rush your grouping shooting as the purpose is to get the tightest groups possible. Concentrate on your grip, sight alignment, trigger control, recoil management and follow through. Don't hold the gun up too long to shot your shots, take a break ate the high ready if you start getting tired and shot slowly concentrate on your trigger control and trigger reset. Don't allow the trigger to go beyond trigger reset for you next shots.
After my groupings, I like to do some work on my draw getting it smooth and consistent and ensuring I have the perfect sight alignment before pulling the trigger. I'll start with a draw and a single shot. I will shoot no faster than what will allow me to get all Alphas. After a magazine or two of drawing and following up with a single shot, I will change to drawing and shooting two shots (controlled pairs). Controlled pairs means that you have sight alignment for both shots where as with a double tap, you only have sight alignment for the first shot and not the second. Controlled pairs can be as fast as double taps and in my views ends up being more accurate giving you more points overall in a match (all things being equal). Both these drills are doing with a single IPSC target. Afterwards I do the draw and shoot two shots using two targets meaning two shoots at each target.
The above is my typical method of starting my training session. After this accuracy training, I will do other drills or run through one of my training stages starting in different start positions, etc.
As I said, I like using mini poppers and I tend to place them between 10 - 15 yards / meters for training. I find using mini poppers rather than large popper pays off big dividends. When it will come time to shooting a match, you'll have a lot of confidence shooting both the mini and large poppers. In fact, the large poppers will look huge because of your training with only mini poppers. As for paper targets, I highly recommend that you always have two or three targets beyond 25 yards / meters (30-40 yds / m). In many Level III matches and especially in Level IV and V matches, there will be many targets over the course of fire that will be between 30-50 yds / m. You need to know where you gun is hitting at those ranges before you go to a match.
As for video with the CZ TSO, I have only shot one match with my TSO but have used it plenty at Club Nights (Level I). Unfortunately, I only have one match video posted where I use the TSO. Why? There was an issue with the extended mag-well and the pistol's mag-well not being blended perfectly. I have a video posted on how I finally got around to doing the blending. As a result, I was not happy and confident that my speed reloads would always be perfect and not get hung up on the ledge that existed between the extended mag-well and the pistol's mag-well. It was for this reason that I only shot one match with the TSO even after I did the blending, I never shot it in s match. I will likely use it in some steel matches in the future.
Hope all this helps you somewhat in determining how you will train. By the way, Dry Fire Practice is excellent and I highly recommend that you do it in addition to live fire.
@@ShootersInc excellent response and thanks for taking the time to reply. I read it twice already and will refer back to it again.
I have a Shadow 2 (non optic version), but I am getting up in age and from the extensive dry fire training I have been doing it looks like I will need to wear low power glasses to shoot in competition without an optic. As the front sight is just too blurry without my glasses.
Should things work out with respect to the reported changes to the semi / pistol laws discussed in the upcoming election (i.e PC's WIN and not the Liberals), I was looking at getting an STI DVC P as a next level gun as I quite like the STI's and it has an optic available for it.
Thanks again.
@@bonesawmcgar4062 - My pleasure and you're welcome. I hear you about seeing the front sight blurry. I had to start wearing glasses about 4-5 years ago to shoot accurately as I simply couldn't get that front sight in focus. I recently have tried something different and I am wear contact lens. The left contact lens has my prescription so I can see at distance and my right contact lens the prescription has been tweaked so that I can see the front sight perfectly. I love it. A well, this "shooting" prescription as I like to call it also allows me to read which is perfect so I can read the stage sheets when necessary or simply read my iPhone!!
Lets hope that all 2.2 million Canadian firearms owners and his better halves all wake up and smell the coffee an vote Conservative to kick the Liberals out of office!! 4.4 million firearms owner's and friends' votes should tip the scales in our favour.
If you are considering a STI DVC, you may wish to research the SPS Pantera which is the equivalent of the STI Edge. I have one and it's of a great quality at a fraction of the price of any STI if you can get one through I Run Guns in Arizona. I paid easily half the cost of an STI Edge had I bought the Edge in Canada. That includes the US exchange rate, GST and shipping to my house. I'm glad I went the SPS route rather than get a STI. I have a few friends with the various STI DVC models. Just about every one of them have had issues: bad mags, cracked frames, cracked slides, and a few other issues that I cannot remember. The STIs are outrageously priced in Canada.
@@ShootersInc ok thanks for the tips. Awesome
Quick question, is it normal that the dpm system for the tso has a shorter rod than the standard one?
Quick answer is Yes but can also be as long as the factory rod. Ok, now to explain. The first DPM that came out was for the CZ TS in 9mm. Shortly thereafter, a DPM for the CZ TS .40 S&W was available. I tested both in my CZ TSO .40 S&W Both worked perfectly well in the gun.
Shortly after that, a DPM model was available for the CZ TSO 9mm. Finally, a DPM was produced for use in the CZ TSO 9mm and .40 S&W meaning the one DPM was good for both TSO calibers. They all work in the CZ TSO .40 S&W. They are all different as well meaning that some of the DPM rods are the same length as the factory rod and some of the DPM rods are shorter than the factory rod. It depends on the DPM version / model that you have. As well, each DPM version provide for a different number of possible configurations or settings for a lack of a better term or adjustability between 3 adjustable setting to 8 adjustable settings to 12 adjustable settings.
DPM Systems Technologies is always doing their best to improve the DPM for specific guns and provide the shooter with more adjustable options. It is for this reason that there are several versions. Some versions are good for multiple CZ guns and others are not meaning they are not advertised as being compatible for specific CZ guns. I am speaking about CZ guns only in my comments because you have asked specifically about the CZ TSO. I hope you follow what I'm saying :-)
So, is you TSO 9mm and .40 S&W? Send me an email at Shooters-Inc@hotamil.com and you can send me a picture of the DPM version / model that you have. Hopefully, you still have the packaging as well as that would make it easier for me to identify the version that you have. I can also send you pictures of the various versions that I have mentioned in my comments. I hope this info has helped. So, short answer is yes, the DPM rod can be shorter than the factory rod.
I enjoyed your review. It helped me to decide to purchase the TSO. I also purchased the DPM system. However, my dpm system looks different than yours in that I can only see one spring built onto the rod. Also, your rod looks like it has a head or tip on the end whereas mine just tapers and gets smaller. Do you know if they are making them different now? Also, my kit came with 4 different springs to use. I only load 3.8 grains of tite group with a 124 grain bullet. I am wondering which spring would help control recoil the best. Thanks for any info!
I just called DPM and they told me they have updated their system. I would be interested in finding out which of their springs provided help with the recoil best, with the reloads I am using.
Dan C what are the spring weights that come with the Dpm kit?
Thanks for the reply. They do not list what the weights are. I contacted
the DPM office in the United States today and they did not know either.
They told me they would get with the engineer in Greece and get back to
me in several days. I do know that their website says the 2 shorter
springs are 1mm wide for a hard slide function and the 2 longer springs
are .9mm wide for a soft slide function. I don't know if that tells you
anything or not. Thanks.
Sorry for the late reply but I was away for a family emergency. I'm glad you liked the review. I tried my best to cover all the main points that I thought people should know about. You will not be disappointed with the CZ TS Orange. It is a beautiful handgun. I have used it at two matches to date and its performance was outstanding. Well, we worked well together. Haha
I'm not aware of DPM changing its DPM System design. I have met the owner of DPM and I will send an email to him and ask. As well, I'm not aware of the different weights of each spring whether it is the springs on the DPM guide rod or the separate springs in the package. I think to get this type of information, it would be best to contact DPM in Greece direct. I will contact Dimitrios shortly. My DPM guide rod has a tapered end to it and I have two built-in springs. I would be very interested in seeing your DPM. Would you send me a picture at Drvar97@hotmail.com. I will then also send you a close up of my DPM system for the TS Orange. As well, it is interesting that your kit came with 4 springs whereas mine came with 3 springs. I would appreciate a picture (front and back) of your packaging as well.
Now, as to what spring to use. Start with the second longest spring and then try the longest and work your way back to the smallest. That is the best method that I can tell you to use in determining which spring will give you the most benefit with your particular load. This is the method that Dimitrios recommended to me.
Hi Dan. I will contact the owner of DPM in Greece. I had the opportunity to meet him at the 2014 IPSC World Shoot and have been in contact with him on numerous occasions. I'll ask him what technical info he can provide regarding the weights of the springs and I will confirm whether a design change has been made to the DPM system. I sent you a reply to your original comment. Have a read and I hope you can send me a couple pictures of your DPM and the packaging. My email is Drvar97@hotmail.com.
Mike D
I really enjoyed the presentation, well done! The gun came with 3 different levels of recoil spring, wondered which one you choose?
Thanks very much! Glad you like my review. Hmmm, I only had one recoil spring come with my gun. I am running a DPM Recoil Reduction System in my gun though. Are you referring to the three springs that come with DPM? If yes, I am using the shortest spring within the DPM package.
Thanks so much for returning info, mine came with 3 recoil springs if you count the one in the gun.I was just a little confused as to which one to run. No worries with the DPM system! Thanks again.
Replied in the wrong space, sorry about that.
Ok, then I would tell you not to shoot the gun with the shortest spring as that will be the weakest. Using a weaker recoil spring will put a lot more forces on your gun and will shorten the life of the gun. For most people they may not shoot enough for the weaker recoil spring to cause issues. I know people who have paid the price for choosing to use the weakest recoil spring...cracked frame. I would likely use the middle spring as the longest spring will likely have a negative effect on muzzle flip and dip.
No problem :-)
Hi Shooter, wondering if the your tanfoglio limited and TS orange has the same magazine. If not? How much different?
Thank you for sharing.
The Tanaglio Limited Custom .40 S&W magazine don't fit the CZ TS Orange. The Tanfoglio mags are much too big.
Shooter's Inc thank you for your reply. Maybe you know if the Limited custom 9mm will fit?
Happy shooting cheers.
No, Tanfoglio magazines for the large or small frame 9mm will not fit the TS Orange 9mm. Sorry. I would have liked that as well :-)
Being the gun is SA only, how do you start each event that you are allowed to use a SA gun only in? Hammer back before draw? thks
In Canada, whether you are shooting in IPSC, IDPA, USPSA or 3 Gun etc, we follow the exact same rules as anywhere else in the world except for the minimum safe engagement distance for steel targets which is 10m rather than 7m for all other countries unless they have an exception as well. So, in regards to SA guns, the gun is always cocked and holstered unless the start position and gun ready condition states differently for the specific stage the competitor is going to shoot.
Great review!
Thanks again!!
Did you end up switching the safety out on the TSO? My two complaints are the same safety is small and the mag well should've been blended. I love the pistol I have about 2000 rounds through it. Did you end up blending the mag well? If so did you have any issues?
Yes, I did switch the safety to the larger one. I much prefer it to the flat safety. I did not blend the extended magwell and pistol magwell yet. In fact, I shot a match with the Orange and the issue with the magwell caused me great frustration as my mags constantly hit the ledge between the extended mag-well and pistol's mag-well. I broke three of my six mags during speed reloads as a result. $300 down the tube!! I will only use the other three mags as stripper mags or as the very first mag that is loaded in the gun. So, technically, there is another $300 thrown out the window. I'm not impressed and will be discussing the issue with the CZ Rep at the IPSC Canadian National Championship as CZ will be there. Definitely, the two piece mag bodies that we get in Canada are absolute crap. Luckily, I did manage to get some full metal body mags (one piece and all steel). I wish I could post pictures in the comments as I would show you want happened to the three mags that I broke. I will blend the mag-well only after I show my TSO to the CZ Rep.
Shooter's Inc thank you for the reply. Luckily I don't have the issue with the plastic magwells and I am definitely going to get it blended here soon. Honestly It's almost a useless magwell because you don't have the confidence to move extremely fast. Also does your support hand fit under neath the extended safety or are you high where it's digging into your left palm? Never handled a pistol with a large safety before. Thanks!
The two piece mags (upper part metal and lower part is a plastic block) are crap. We get these mags because we are limited to 10 rounds by law in Canada. We may own mags that have a higher capacity but they must be blocked to 10 rounds and can only be unblocked when we travel outside of Canada.
I agree the extended mag-well is useless due to the ledge as can't do a speed reload without think that you will get stuck on the ledge with your mag...very frustrating.
The extended safety doesn't dig into the weak-hand palm.
Shooter's Inc Great thanks for the help!
Any time! Regards, John
Hi, which gun is having a lesser muzzle flip ? The Tanfoglio LC or the CZ TSO ?
My Tanfoglio LC has less muzzle flip. One reason for this is that I use 220gr bullets in the LC whereas I use either 180gr or 200gr in the TSO. The TSO will not chamber 220gr. When I use 180gr in both guns, I still find that the muzzle flip is somewhat less with the LC than the TSO. They are pretty close...
Hi . About the Ghost holster "the one" iam from Denmark (europe) and sportsshooter.de that's sell the Ghost holster say that Ghost do not made at holster for the cz75 ts orange ... what version Do you use for your cz ?Kind regards Alex Denmark
Hi Alex. The Ghost "The One" holster that I am using which fits the CZ TSO is the model that is designed for STI / SVI / 1911 pistols. I actually had this Ghost holster for my Sig 1911 Max. I tried my CZ TSO in the holster and much to my surprise, the TSO fit. I have used this holster with the TSO in a few matches. The TSO draws smoothly out of the holster and the holster's locking mechanism works perfectly with the TSO, keeping the gun securely in the holster when locked.
I also have a custom kydex holster for the CZ TSO made by Red Hill Tactical (RHT) in the USA.
I hope this information helps.
The main question is: which one is better out of the box? Tanfoglio Limited Custom or CZ TS ORAGNGE? :) What is your opinion? Best regards!
That is a fair and good question but.... My Limited Custom was a standard model when I bought it over 6 years ago. The Xtreme Tanfoglio Limited Customs only came out a couple of years ago. I upgraded my Limited Custom with the Xtreme part as they came on the market as you know. What I'm I trying to say.... Comparing the standard Limited Custom to the TS Orange is somewhat unfair but not completely. Out of the box the CZ Tactical Sport Orange beats the Tanfoglio Limited Custom hands down in my opinion but only because of the trigger and thumb rest but mainly because of the trigger. The standard Limited Custom comes with a 5 lbs plus trigger pull out of the box and no thumb rest. So, if you aren't a person who can do a trigger job yourself, the CZ TS Orange is the gun you want.
But, if you compare the Xtreme Limited Custom which is a tuned gun from the factory just like the CZ TS Orange, that is a true comparison of the two guns. But there is a but again. In Canada the CZ TS Orange costs significantly less than the Xtreme Tanfoglio Limited Custom. Is the added cost for the Xtreme Limited Custom worth it rather than buying a CZ TS Orange? I can't answer as I would have to really try a Xtreme Limited Custom first before I give you an answer. To a degree, I may have answered your question especially if price is a concern for you or anyone else.
Final thought, you cannot go wrong buying a CZ Tactical Sport Orange. The biggest disappointment for me with the TS Orange is the lack of blending between the extended mag well and the mag well of the pistol.
How that gives you a good enough and honest answer. Regards, John.
Thank you very much. I understan your opinion. In general, I think that trigger is the bigest disadvantage of Tanfoglio`s out of the box pistols (except Xtreme line guns).
Yes, you are exactly correct. It is to bad that Tanfoglio doesn't make their triggers better for the standard models. Have you seen some of my IPSC Quick Tip videos? Just curious?
I think I have seen all of your videos :)
Good to hear :-)
Hi John what model holster you have for the TSO ?
Ron Cameleon, I have 3 holsters for my TSO. I have a Ghost The One, a Red Hill Tactical and Rekkr Custom Kydex holster. The RHT and Rekkr holsters are competition Kydex holsters. Both are double layer Kydex. I use the CR Speed C-Bax Production holster hanger for the Kydex holsters. I'm slowly moving back to Kydex competition holsters rather than Speed Holsters. I still use Speed Holsters as for some guns, I have found the Speed holster to be the better choice. Having said this, a quality custom Kydex holster is a fantastic choice for a holster. If you're looking for a Speed holster, look no further than the Ghost The ONE Speed holster. I have 2 Ghost The ONE holsters and they are outstanding.
I should mention one very important item. Although I said I use the CR Speed C-Bax Production hanger with my RHT and Rekkr kydex holsters, there is one critical issue which you must be aware of. As the TSO has a thumb rest, the kydex holster design to accommodate the thumb rest ends up bring the gun further away from your body and that can run into the 2" or 50cm distance rule in IPSC and USPSA. The gun is border line in terms of making the 2" or 50cm distance rule and depending on your body type, you could be in terrible. The CR Speed C-Bax holster hanger is great but with a kydex holster where a thumb rest must be accommodated, beware. Have a BladeTech teclok belt hanger with you as a backup if you are going to use the CR Speed C-Bax holster hanger just in case! There is absolutely no issue with the Ghost The ONE holster in regards to the distance rule.
The holster competition hanger that RHT offers as an option is a good hanger, very good hanger, and I would recommend it. I believe Rekkr has the same holster competition hanger as an option as well.
I have been playing with the Ghost The ONE holster and the RHT and Rekkr kydex holsters using the CR Speed C-Bax Production hanger in the last few minutes. The CR Speed C-Bax is definitely an issue regarding the 2" distance rule. You would need to use a BladeTech tekloc belt hanger with the kydex holster to be absolutely certain you pass the CRO's equipment inspection at a match. I have the competition hanger that Rekkr uses on another kydex holster of theirs. I will attached it to the kydex holsters for the TSO and let you know how they fair in regards to the 2" distance rule.
For dpm recoil spring. Which spring did you use.
This is the DPM that I have in my CZ TS Orange .40 S&W - dpmsystems.com/cz-75-ts-tactical-sport-9mm-40sw . I have the middle sized spring installed at this time. I chose that spring using the following round - 180gr Hi-Tek bullet, 4.6gr VV N320 powder, COL 1.146. Having said that, this DPM although it works in the CZ TS Orange is specifically made for the CZ Tactical Sport (9mm / .40 S&W) not the Tactical Sport Orange. There is a new DPM for the CZ Tactical Sport (.40 S&W ONLY) which can also be used for the TS Orange .40 S&W but this DPM is again specifically designed for the CZ Tactical Sport .40 S&W. This DPM has four springs and two "Spring Bushings" or "Washers" as they call them. This DPM is no longer listed on the DPM website but this particular model may still be available (limited numbers were produced). This DPM provides for 8 user settings due to the additional 4th spring and two "washers". I have this model but have not tried it yet. I can also tell you that the company is working on a DPM specifically for the CZ Tactical Sport Orange .40 S&W at least that was my understanding when I spoke to them last in February 2018. When it will be released is unknown to me.
Hope all this info helps.
Well done!!
What would you recommend for a holster?
I have a shadow 2 now with a ghost ultimate holster. I’m not sure if it will fit the tso which I have ordered. I’m hoping that it will work for both.
I would be very surprised if the CZ TSO will work with the Ghost Ultimate holster that you have for your Shadow 2. I would either recommend a Ghost The One holster or get a Red Hill Tactical (RHT) custom kydex holster. I have both. I am slowly going back to kydex holsters for most of my competition guns. I can draw equally fast from both a Speed and Kydex holsters so it's not an issue of getting a faster draw with one or the other holster. I like the kydex holsters as I always know that my gun is secure in it. It's a s simply as that. Sure a speed holster looks cool but speed holsters are not for everyone. I know many guys who are using speed holsters and they have terrible grips on their gun from the draw. Why? Because they are not drawing properly as they don't have the confidence in drawing from a speed holster. Therefore, they don't come down hard on the gun in order to get a good solid grip. End result is a bad grip on the gun and bad hits on the targets. I always recommend a kydex holster to a new shooter as I believe they must first learn to draw properly from a kydex holster and not worry about the speed holster and how little it supports the gun. It's a matter of confidence and having already developed a good solid draw before moving onto a speed holster. Hope this helps and you find my thoughts on a speed vs a kydex holster useful.
The one is what I have actually not the ultimate at all sorry 😐. I’ll cross my fingers that it fits. Hoping the tso will show up in a week or so. Keep up the videos great work. Might see you at the nationals someday. Happy shooting
@@coreyreid1404 - I'll be at the 2019 IPSC Canadian Nationals in Quebec City. Maybe we'll see each other there. Come look for me. I'm on the Manitoba Standard Division Team.
Thanks for the positive comments regarding my videos. Much appreciated. I hope to get a few new videos produced in the next few months.
I'll check to see if my Shadow 2 works with my Ghost The One holster that I have for my CZ TSO. I'll get back to you.
@@coreyreid1404 - My Shadow 2 does not fit my The One holster that I use for my CZ TSO. The Shadow 2 is too loose in the holster. I have a feeling that you may be out of luck and the TSO will likely not fit your Ghost The One holster that you have for the Shadow 2. The issue is that the trigger guards are close but not close enough in design. Lets you I'm wrong.
I have the chance to purchase a 9mm TS Orange. I shoot USPSA Limited and 3Gun, and would like to be able to shoot both with this pistol. Do you know if the 9mm will readily accept a TS 40 cal upper? Also, are there any notable differences othe r than the rear sight between the TSO's upper and a standard TS?
Unfortunately, I can't tell you if the slide .40 S&W slide of a TS will fit the frame of a 9mm CZ TS Orange. I wouldn't be surprised if it does fit and I have no first hand knowledge of that fact. There are a few notable differences between the TS and TS Orange besides the rear sight. The fore and back strap are significantly sharper giving you a better grip on the gun. As well the undercut of the trigger guard is slightly deeper / higher than the TS so that allows you to get your hand up higher on the gun. The beavertail undercut is also higher which contributes to a higher grip and better grip on the TS Orange. The frame of the TS Orange is also slightly heavier as the dust cover has not been sculpted away like the standard TS. Finally, the TS Orange has a thumb rest which the standard TS model does not. I hope this information helps.
Shooter's Inc thank you sir. I've contacted both CZ Custom and Cajun Gun works to get some more input. But your help is greatly appreciated. Thanks for the review on the pistol as well
Sorry I couldn't be of more help regarding the interchangeability of the 9mm and .40 S&W slides on the same frame of the CZ TS Orange.
Do standard cz75 mags work or are the TS mags different?
Sorry for the delayed answer. No, standard CZ75 mags don't work in the CZ TS Orange.
The Tac sport frame is larger than the standard CZ75 frame so they use different mags. Mags from the older Tac sport work in the new ones fine.
^ Thank you
great review. Is the mag release reversible?
Thanks and I'm glad you liked the review. Yes, the mag release button is reversible. The thumb rest can not be switched to the right side as the frame has not been pre-drilled to accommodate a left handed shooter. You would have to drill the holes yourself and then your warranty will likely be cancelled. As for the mag release, here a how to do it video - czcams.com/video/po2IA2lch48/video.html . It is a pretty straight forward operation to switch the mag release over to the right side. Thanks for watching and your feedback is much appreciated.
Thanks for the quick response. So you prefer the Tanfoglio?
They are both extremely nice guns. Pros and Cons to both. The CZ TS Orange out of the box is completely ready for competition where as the Tanfoglio Limited Custom (standard model not the Xtreme) needs a trigger job before it is truly ready for competition. Polishing up the trigger bar is not a big task but the polishing will only get the trigger pull down to between 2.75 - 3 lbs depending on how good of a polishing job you do. You'll need add a few Xtreme parts to help reduce the trigger pull to around 2 lbs and ensure that it works properly. Remember that once the trigger pull is down to about 3 lbs, you will need a longer firing pin than the standard one. Therefore, it is a must to install a Xtreme firing pin and and firing pin spring.
So, to be honest if I had both guns put in front of me, as is, right out of the box, I would go for the CZ Tactical Sport Orange. I would definitely have to blend the extended mag well and pistol mag well better as I explained in my review of the pistol. It is this issue that STOPS me from giving the CZ TS Orange a 5 out of 5 rating and I should mention the two piece magazine issue as well. There is also the cost savings that should be part of the equation when deciding on the two pistols. A true comparison of both pistols should be done with a Tanfoglio Xtreme Limited Custom (I compared the TS Orange to my standard model Limited Custom which I upgraded with Xtreme parts and did a trigger job on). There is a significant cost saving going with the CZ TS Orange. It is a solid pistol all round. It is very well designed and has been improved upon compared to the standard Tactical Sport model.
If cost is NOT an issue, I prefer the Tanfoglio: perfect blending of the extended mag well to the mag well of the pistol, fully adjustable rear sight (elevation and windage), pre-drill holes on both sides of the gun for a thumb rest (whether you are a right or left hand shooter), solid one piece magazines with larger base pads, larger safety which makes it easier to deactivate the safety (from either side) and provides a larger platform area to rest the thumb on.
If cost is an issue, you definitely cannot go wrong with the CZ Tactical Sport Orange and you will not regret buying it. If you are leaning towards the CZ TS Orange, go for it! If you live in the US or Europe, you will have the one piece magazine bodies unlike my two piece mag bodies as I live in Canada. Use a file or Dremel tool to blend the extended magwell into the pistol's magwell and your speed reloads will be fine.
I think this is the best answer I can give you. I'm glad that I have both pistols and I will be using both in competition. I have been shooting the Tanfoglio Limited Custom for 7 years in competition. I look forward to seeing just how well the CZ Tactical Sport Orange performs in competition. I believe it will do great. CZ has truly done a great job with the Tactical Sport Orange making it a very serious competitor of the Tanfoglio Limited Custom. I'm lucky that I have two outstanding IPSC Standard Division guns with these two guns!
Let me know which gun you decide on.
All CZ had to do was bevel mag well wider or make the top of the extended mag well a fraction tighter than the mag well, and this would be perfection right out of the box. :(
Absolutely correct. How they missed this is somewhat surprising.
thanks
You're welcome :-)
Hi, love the review and I have a cz TSO on the way. Question: does the mags from Tanfoglio Limited Custom fit the TSO? Where do you get the full metal pinned mags?
Thanks very much! Unfortunately, the Tanfoglio Limited Custom mags don't fit the TSO. My mags came from CZ direct from Czech but that was a very special order. Your best bet to get all metal body mags (but they will be Cdn 10 round not high cap pinned) is from Wolverine Supplies in Virden, Manitoba. You may get lucky and find mags for the TSO at I Run Guns in Arizona. They do ship to Canada and they pin the mags as all the mag they sell tend to be standard hi capacity mags. So try I Run Guns. I have purchased from them before both handgun and mags. Very easy to deal with them. Of course you'll have to accept the exchange rate as it is now. I bit ion a bummer but deals can still be found with I Run Guns. Hope this helps.
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great great video
Thanks. I appreciate your feedback.
I can't find this in-stock anywhere except deguns.net where it is $1700 + shipping. Also, I can't find extra magazines with the orange aluminum base. Great video and review! Do you think it is worth the 1700?
You are in the US as $1700 is a great price. In Canada, it cost me around $2200 (comes with three mags) and mine is a .40 S&W. Yes, it's worth every penny!! Sorry, I can't help you with where (in US) to find the TS Orange or the mags with orange base pads. Thanks for the positive feedback.
Another great video. On the www.dmpsystems.com website i see nothing for the Tanfoglio but most every CZ model.
Checkout this link - dpmsystems.com/tanfoglio-2 . there are most definitely DPMs for the Tanfoglio as I have them for my Stock III and Limited Customs. You may be able to find the DPMs for the Tanfoglio at Zahal in Israel. They drop ship their DPMs from the USA and you pay US dollars.
Hope this helps.
John a outstanding review on a very nice pistol I never have shot a CZ sport orange. The CZ I shot reminds me of the Browning Hi power. Here is where I am thinking of getting a comp gun jvdynamics.com/custom_guns/limited_guns.php thanks for the great review I will have to take a look at this Sport Orange.
Thanks again Lou. Wow, the Patriot looks like a very nice custom gun. I wonder what the price tag is on that baby in the picture. I'd buy that one if I had the money in .40 S&W so I could shoot in IPSC Standard Division with it. I have been quite interested in trying / owning a 2011. That Patriot in stainless sure is attractive :-) Hmmm, if you get one, you'll have to send me a bunch of pictures from all angles and a video of it performing!!
I suspect the CZ that you are referring to is CZ 75B. It looks very much like the Browning Hi Power. The Browning was my service pistol while I was in the Canadian Armed Forces. I like it very much. I competed with that pistol while on my Regimental Pistol Team for some 5 years.
John here is a link to his store and prices on his pistols. www.jvindustries.net/store/index.php?route=common/home
We can't get that CZ 75 Tactical sport Orange in Cali.
Just checked out JVI Industries website. He has some very nice custom guns but much to rich for me especially if you factor in the Canadian dollar exchange rate. Ouch! I hope our dollar gets closer to par with the US dollar again and sooner would be better :-) From what I see on his website, you will end up with a very nice comp gun no matter what model you decide on! Too bad the CZ 75 Tactical Sport Orange isn't available in Cali. Is it due to a legal restriction or simply not available yet in your State?
The state requires all new pistols or pistols that have a change from a previously approved models to have the capabilities to micro stamp the bullet case. :(