Why Does Everyone HATE Morrissey from The Smiths?
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- čas přidán 1. 06. 2024
- In this video essay I'm talking about Morrissey from The Smiths, his quotes, lyrics and controversies that have gotten him cancelled recently but have started since the days of him and Johnny Marr. I still love The Smiths tho.
0:00 Intro
1:20 Morrissey on Ian Curtis and Joy Division
3:16 Robert Smith and Morrissey Rivalry
4:37 Morrissey Controversies
6:05 Morrissey's Younger Years
7:20 White Veganism
8:02 Conclusion/Outro
Links to the articles I mentioned/quoted on this video:
www.mangalmedia.net/english//...
www.theguardian.com/music/201...
www.nme.com/news/music/the-cu...
faroutmagazine.co.uk/morrisse...
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Guess he didn't have the guts to be gentle and kind
he really didn't
It's a nice, thoughtful, intelligent and incisive lyric, yes. I think that you're confusing the song with its author, though. I'm fairly sure that Stephen King was never a telekinetic prom queen, either
Yeah, not. He's always performed for the outrage. You for example, have the guts to say Palestinians are not semites, to toe the Israeli line since its inception as the state supported by the UK to solve "the Jewish question".
You have guts, that's what you have. You ahve some balls to still support that, eradication of SEMITES which Arabic is one language of, along with Hebrew. You can make a perfromance that you jsut "love everybody" but fundamentally you side with "Semites belong to Israel, so semd European Jews there, and send Israeli Arabs to Egypt". Morrissey is parodying YOU.
When YOU are doing just the same as "Americans" do when their "natives" are treated like animals in weird reservations mismanaged under Bureau of INDIAN Affairs. Israel is UK's horrid project like US Rhodesia and Liberia. They erase the identity of semites even THREE generations down because Palestinians would otherwise come out as ELIGIBLE for Israeli citizenship, due to them GETTING ALONG.
YOUR state of England can never get along past skin color, but even less so WITHIN a skin color. Brother-war between semitic Arabs and Jews, or Brits and Germans.
lying isnt kind.
only jeff buckley does ❤
Lovejoy wanted to be the smiths so bad that their frontman also did something controversial
dicks out for wilbur soot
i fucking cackled
lmao thats literally what i was thinking when i put their picture there
What did he do?
@@mCblue79physically abused an ex-girlfriend and raped another. Very bad dude
I've always got the impression that morrissey is a professional contrarian. If he was in a room of cure fans he say he hates the cure and if he was in a room full of people who dont like the cure he would say he loves the cure. I think he gets a thrill out of getting people upset.
Which is fucking funny
That's exactly it.
And the contradiction leads to reflection.
@@outsiderx7576 yeah I guess it's funny if you have the humour of a 10 yr old nasty boy.
@@outsiderx7576edgy 🙄
@@Kaleltgdepends on how it’s done. If he just comes off as a right twat, no one will get his point and just get defensive against him.
I understand that living in an echo chamber isn’t healthy, but too many people use “just trying to get you to reflect, bro” as a bullshit excuse to piss people off because they personally enjoy it. Even if they’re being sincere, no one asked.
I dislike the man but when he said “the sorrow of the IRA bombing is that Thatcher escaped unscathed” I almost pissed myself
... and Robert Smith being 'a fat clown with makeup weeping over a guitar' is pretty funny, too
He was responding to gruesome videos of Chinese abusing dogs (some weird spiritual reason) before killing and eating them. That's all he's talking about, doesn't mean he's racist, just an animal lover.
Thank god somebody said it, so many people read the headlines and just believe it to be true without getting the full side of a story! This video is biased and downright incorrect about a lot of what they're saying
When I first caught wind of the Chinese comment, long ago Alice In Wonderland was banned in China under the premise that "Animals are a subspecies"
My thought was Morrissey was referencing and inverting that, consciously or otherwise
Thanks for sharing this information, I'm sure it will unfortunately be ignored by the person responsible for this video!
This was my thought as well. A bit of a historical reference 'jab.'
@@oscillatewildly6553Nice name, oscillate. Oscar and oscillate-both are wilde.
Good catch
@@oscillatewildly6553 Morrissey has inspired me 37 years ago to become a vegetarian and thousands of other people who in turn have inspired other people there by doing absolute actual good in this world.. not to mention the fact that he is responsible for the greatest music that's ever been made by humankind's ignoring that fact for the time being. But no let's totally invalidate him for speaking up about an absolutely abhorrent disgusting practice. Let's take one of animals most passionate and effective advocates off the board because he didn't completely sterilize his language when speaking about something that he's passionate about. This planet is truly in trouble
behind the hatred there lies a murderous desire for love
" I cherish peace with all my heart, and I don’t care how many men women and children I have to kill to get it"
as a fan of morrissey, i hold my own biases, but i felt that this was a very shallow take on this topic. it’s as if most knowledge in this video stems from articles and reddit posts jumbled together. reading his autobiography might help one develop a deeper and more well-informed opinion of the man, even though the book isn’t the greatest. with morrissey, it isn’t exactly “he is a bad person” it’s “he is a bad person, but…” yes, he is a devious, truculent, and unreliable prick, but a lot of what he’s said has been taken out of context, and most were off-the-cuff comments
another thing, johnny marr shouldnt be pictured so saintly. he was also involved in the 40-40-10-10 split, was he not? he’d be in a lot more hot water if he wasn’t so diplomatic, something morrissey doesn’t exactly care for. this also rings true for robert smith, as they were both quite petty during their rivalry
personally, i dont think it’d be the same if morrissey wasn’t an opinionated bastard, and this is because the meaning of many songs would change. even though i dont agree with his views, i love him for his humor, voice, lyrics, and outspokenness. i agree with separating the art from the artist-which you had mentioned at the start of the video-so that sort of clashes with your ending statement. in my opinion, by only listening to the smiths, that also means missing out on moz’s solo work-which really does have some great songs
Good points but yea at the end of the day he's still a bad person as you said. At the end of the video I just said "you can listen to the smiths and ignore what he says next" in the sense that you can just listen to his music and ignore his statements, not saying that you shouldnt listen to his solo work.
Agreed, such a shame this video sort of contradicts the separate the art over artist thing. I don't know if he was aware of his own hypocrisy but I don't think it matters.. You're also spot on of why i like much of Morrissey's music and some of his traits 👍
I've also admired or look up to countless tragic & controversial figures in music history apart from Morrissey (Prince, John Lennon, Bowie, Marvin Gaye, Freddie Mercury, Kurt Cobain, Satie, Tschaikovsky, etc.)
I am not justifying any bad behaviours since mistakes is natural & no one's really "perfect". I've also grown past that point of tying to choose a side instead of addressing the actual issue. I find it ironic that those nagging & overly righteous types are no better than the same people they are trying to criticize. I think antagonizing or mocking an individual just because they did or say something wrong or that their views does not align with your own doesn't do anything except intensify the situation by creating more hostility and conflict. It's also important to set boundaries on people who are too difficult to deal with. Learning to be honest, empathic & open communication is the key tool to form authentic interactions & healthy stable relationships imo.
How exactly is he a bad person though?
He doesn't like Pakistanis? And, he's gay, they don't like him either. Considering what they'd do to him if they could, his distaste for them is perfectly reasonable and entirely justified. Don't forget, he's probably had more experience with them than you in that respect. I'd wager they were possibly less radical back then, or at least less brave in their homophobia. Today, it's amazing how the far left lie to themselves about that alliance and attempt to hide, wave away or simply just ignore the incredibly comical levels of homophobia inherent in Islam and coming from Muslims.
His views on the Chinese? Meh, all of them was it, or just the meat eaters? Neither of us can read minds. Do you endeavour to see the best in people, or the worst? From my own experiences with veggies, he's likely referring to meat eaters, and unlikely the worst he's said about us to be honest. Let's not ignore that the Chinese were probably still eating dogs at that time (perhaps what Morrissey was angry about? I didn't hear the context, no idea of what he was referencing, such is the hit piece playbook), mostly due to being poor and a communist country having shitty supply lines, which is totally unusual under communism. They were still considered third world until fairly recently, so it weren't just your favourite pet on the menu. I don't blame him for his anger if such is the context, but then to blame the Chinese people themselves for eating what valid protein they could get under communism, that's a bit lacking in empathy. But don't eat fido, come on man, an Englishman can't tolerate that.
Have you never said anything fucked up, such as referring to those you ideologically oppose as less than, perhaps insinuated something akin to the average tory as a streak of piss with an inbred desire to kick the poor?
Shit, I bet you've had the gall to refer to that lanky posh twat, whas his name, comically posh accent and still had a nanny? Meh, you know to whom I refer, he's a streak of shit that gained some degree of sentience and donned a suit, and somehow got voted into parliament and, again, somehow no one has yet to see him kicked to the kerb. You know you've some incredible views on him, and words so scathing as to be considered hate speech were they levelled at an actual human being.
With all the pointing of fingers these days, it's amazing we've any eyes left.
He paid great tribute to the famous James Baldwin (activist and anti-racist) in his biog, featured famous black soul singer velma Houston on his 2020 single bobby don't you think they know and his crowd at his sold out Hammersmith gig last year was more diverse than a lot of white alternative acts can claim to have.
@@robertsnowdon1257 oh, if it's not the old "He's not racist, he has a black friend" trope.
i think morrissey is a legend and his solo work was just as good as the smiths, vauxhall and i is an extraordinary album
I prefer the solo stuff as albums. The smiths don't have great albums because there's always a few shit songs but they have probably written superior songs. I don't skip songs on a Bona Drag (technically not an album) or vauxall and I.
Bona Drag and Vauxhall And I are perfect imo, I could listen to them both in their entirety over and over.
YOU ARE THE QUARRY and all the b-sides
I'm with you. "Driving your girlfriend home" and "I am hated for loving" are amazing.
@@reptiliathon
To each their own, of course. I would twist what you say regarding The Smiths and Morrissey albums - and Morrissey has also released far more than The Smiths ever did
A lot of people love Morrissey. I love Morrissey.
Robert Smith and Morrissey have both made up since the 90s and admitted it was all petty and in jest.
Pictures or it didn’t happen
@@maryburke5423 I've tried replying but every time it disappears?
2:34 "Unknown Pleasures" did not completely define the music of 80s Britain, that is prepostorous thing to say. Unknown Pleasures and Joy Division in general have sort of a renaissance among mainly North American youthi in the 21st century, but they were not that influential in the 1980s. "Blue Monday" by New Order was far more influetial on the music of 80s Britain than anything by Joy Division.
Young people (Millennials and Gen Z) are reinterpreting history to try and view it in a way they feel comfortable with. But the 1980s isn't a decade that most of you would have liked to have lived in. Morrissey was no more of a dick in the 1980s than most older people back then. People in 1980s Britain (especially in Northern England) were not that sensitive to insults or slagging people off (especially people in other bands, and other artists). It was part of the culture. British bands and artists dissed each other all the time in the music papers, slagging other people off was part of the air that people breathed. Music journalists did it all the time. Morrissey gave back as good as he got.
Thats not an excuse to be a fkn moron, or a racist
The uploader is a snowflake.
nice job totally ignoring the racist shit
Only Paul Morley talked about JD then. It was all N/O.
You're just looking into the pop music aspect. Joy Division was most definitely one of the proto post punk and goth influencers.
He's talking about their treatment of animals. I'm with him.
I wonder if he's ever read Savitri Devi, sounds like he may have been influenced by her ideas
Morrissey is a deeply misunderstood figure. Guy knew what he was talking about. Unfortunately, the truth is not pretty. Doesn’t mean he was wrong.
@@JLG629 To be be fair, any member of The Smiths could punch a baby in the face and still be okay with me based solely on their music.Except maybe Craig Gannon but I'd still co-sign a loan for him.I've been a vegetarian since the Smiths broke up when I was 11 years old it was magical thinking trying to get them back together so that I would be able to see them perform together one day I'm still a vegetarian but obviously that ship has sailed and I completely appreciate him not being politically correct in the defense of animals. He hasn't wavered.
@@JLG629 I take that back...Craig Gannon COULD punch a baby in the face and I'd be fine with it if you factor in his Aztec Camera stuff. Can't be easy being the "Fifth Smith"
you’re with him on racism…yt people will let anything slide but god forbid an animal gets hurt
You know most Smiths lyrics are being wry in their miserablism? He's not singing any of them with a straight face. Bear that in mind, appreciate the joke, and 99% of any criticisms against their lyrics just evaporate. Sadly a lot of people don't really get it, so of course the songs look ridiculous, they're supposed to be, at least in large part.
Everyone is flawed, what makes you so perfect?? His gigs sell out world wide, he is not hated, he is loved by so many.
It's crazy how good British music used to be
Morrissey has inspired so many people to become vegetarians and while I do not agree with some of his outspoken views , I think that without reading his biography or going into great detail to understand him that you’re only scratching the surface. I am not here to argue if he is a good or a bad person. To me he has said stupid things. And he has even kicked fans out of concerts . He has sued journalists for defaming him and other things I do not agree with . But I love his singing and his music means a lot to me . The fact that he is saving animals lives with songs like meat is Murder and being a strong candidate for animal rights is a great act of kindness to all living animals on this earth.
I enjoy his solo music a lot and have seen him live . I do wish he would not antagonise people, however I believe that if people do not stand up for their beliefs then the world would be a place where no one is held accountable for their actions .
Morrissey may not be perfect but he has definitely helped a lot of people to feel less alone and no I do not agree with racism of any kind . Anyway I am not here to argue . You’re entitled to your opinion
The biggest take away here should be: It is important to separate the artist from the art. You don't have to like everything about the person, just because you like their work.
exactly
Ted Nugent is another example.
never separate artist from the art. the art is so overrated. this is so hypocritical. the decent art is good enough without nasty dumb persons.
You can't do it all the time. The fact that people put art before the person, in spite of some people being horrible, indicates how fucked up our world is
Art is SELF-EXPRESSION. If the actual self is crap how can the art not be an expression of that crap? Just saying.
Everyone can have their opinions.
I think many people hopped on the “let’s hate him together” bus.
He speaks his mind and truth that most people don’t want to hear.
I don't hate him. I love him. He's what you get when you expose an Angel to the sin of man.
Wow, that sounds so pretty. Except Angels have several forms and were responsible for most of God's wrath, if you believe that crap.
@@robertbruce4618 An atheist on the internet letting everyone know what they think, so edgy and original. I'm using the term "Angel" to mean what 99% of the human race believe the word to mean, not an academic literal description of Angels from the Old Testament that were based on Babylonian Gods. Just clarifying that, as you seem to think I am using the term "Angel" as it was understood 3000 years ago, and not in its present day meaning that literally everyone else in society understands it to be, except pedants like yourself.
No, he's what you get when you expose a narcissist to ordinary existence. He just thinks he's better than everyone else, that's all.
@@jmack8767 He is better than everyone else. He's never worked a day in his life and has left a legacy simply by writing some poetry and having a nice haircut, Like to see you do that peasant.
People like you shouldnt be allowed to use a PC
This video is absolute nonsense.
Its completely lifted from a three year old reddit thread with the same name. Not a stitch of original research.
@8:02 - "There's a million more examples of Morrissey being a hateful & horrible person."
There's also a million more examples of you Red-Herring Fallacy & Straw-manning his arguments.
Do or don't like him - whatever - but don't spend an 8-minute rant Strawmanning him.
I love Morrissey
I think what I like most about Morrissey other than his songs, is his stance on animal rights. He’s dead on about all that. It’s extremely difficult to write a great song about animal cruelty.
Depends what u think great is. Skinny Puppy has a few but far weirder.
Being a pretentious douche to justify his racism is a good thing?
I've written a rap/rock song called "Meat To Please You" about the meat and porn industry. I'm going to put it up shortly on CZcams at: www.youtube.com/@laissezfayre
this video gives one pretty major instance of him not being very "dead on" about it, wouldn't you say?
@@vsander09 What's weird is top 4O. SP is amazing, without a need to be jerks. Thanks for bringing them up, btw! Maybe that's the diff between British and American musicians. The 9Os were full of bickering between British bands. SP's VIVIsectVI/vivisecton record is all about bringing attention to animal rights/animal testing. Ogre was vegetarian (not vegan), and opposed factory farming from what I remember. Def not weird, and both Smiths and SP were payed in clubs on the same night. If I had to pick one, SP always! If you haven't seen them live, and get a chance, do it now; it's supposed to be their last tour.
They don't , you just wish.
Only thing I don’t understand is why people only seem to care for moz but ignore when other musicians do same stuff (I’m not saying he’s any better btw it’s just odd that people only seem to hate on him and ignore others)
That's completely fair, I think a lot of artists get away with horrible stuff just because they're famous and they have influence. Take for example Iggy Pop.
Yep, recently heard Mark E Smith spouting crap about immigrants in an interview.
And then there’s Eric Clapton, who actually inspired the whole Rock against Racism movement in the 80s because of his cosying up to Enoch Powell.
I think Taylor Swift is quite criticized for her environment choices
@@maryburke5423 oh, Clapton for me is none after this. same with Alice Cooper. and whatever what is her Sing It Back. people notice these things eventually
The notion of a bad or good person is so darn flawed and probably a result of most folks liking to think in simple terms. We all have good and bad within us, anyone stating otherwise is a foolish nobhead. Most weak folks follow the pack, being too darn worried about what others think about them.
yea the notion of good and bad is often used for pretty nearsighted and flawed reasons and someone who thinks others are bad because of where they come from (for example) are certainly subscribing to millions and millions of instances of ----- Just that.
@@loudcloud6889 the guy above has been real quite since you responded to him
We can still love The Smiths because the musical genius behind them, Johnny Marr, is a wonderful person.
Even though he is the way he is, I'm sorry but the guy has one hell of a voice.
People hate Morrissey because he is too real for most people (like you).
I agree with most of what he says. And while I'm here I will also say that I agree with JK Rowling on stuff she says that pisses people off too. Facts don't care about feelings. 😐
yeah but he's also just racist
@@iforgotwhattocallmyself5990 she is a nazi but what do i expect from british "people"
@@iforgotwhattocallmyself5990 jk rowling is factually wrong :D and facts do care about feelings anyway ? feelings are a part of material reality and human beings dont exist as emotionless husks (.. usually anyway! jk does her best from the face of it )
Dont mean to be rude, but this is not very good man. It sort of accomplishes the goal of the title, in a many citations way, but theres no point. I dont think moz or anyone else in the world really cares if people they revile dont like them back. If he had been afraid to make a statement the smiths wouldve likely been just a local group. Turns out not giving a shit and saying what needs to be said will take you far- theres millions in agreement that dont have the leverage to use their right to speech. Thank you morrissey for not giving anyone a pass for being any given color or political stripe. Everyone else has, and its become pretty evident a culture of inability to do or be wrong has not worked out for anyone. Those who think anyone else is above criticism long for such protectionism for themselves, if anyone was wondering why a certain political sphere has such a p3do problem.
The smiths are not for most of the simply depressed and angry people that like the tunes. Its for people who can tell how genuinely backwards and self defeating modern western culture has become. Its about societal rot coming from a million directions, tip top and very bottom, and it would be disingenuous at the very least to have just ignored certain facets. If you hate morrissey, theres probably a lot about yourself you dont like, which is normal; its what you do with it. If the answer is not own up and to seek protection, youll get it, probably with detriment to those around you. Its all very self serving and were screwed if the cynics give up. Im not a vegan, i accept his criticism and his right to it. The industry i rely on for food is amoral. There was a time when i didnt know who he was, when i hated him for it. I was trying to avoid admission of complicity. My brain painted him as a hateful douche to protect itself. Morrisseys philosophy helped me to get over imperfection. Most people could do a bit less enforced unassailability of culture and practice, itll make you a smarter, more self reflective person, even though the average idiot will see it as self absorbtion. Its liberating, really, to get proof that theyll come down on you for the crime of coming down on them, and the only difference is the opinion.
None you are without sin, so stop pretending and sack up to such issues as "maybe a huge influx of the worlds unskilled labor wasnt a huge favor to england" just as it was wrong for england to just take india. Theyre not mutually exclusive, and you dont have to tie your head in knots to avoid acknowledging flaws in humanity that are universal. If everyone is equal, then everyone is equally a tool of some idea or power. no more excuses for humans is the jist of the philosophy.
All those words to spout a whole lotta nothing.
@robcoward6326 good for you pal, someone paying you to be dense, or is it charity? Please delineate exactly what i didnt say?
Its just that you dont like it, that doesnt make anything a nothingburger dude. This is analysis of creativity, its all very ephemeral and subjective. I threw my 2 cents in on a bit of a hitpiece that reeked of action-reaction knee-jerkism, but was very much representative of "why people hate morrissey" or moreover "why i dislike morrisseys attitude and politics". People hate morrissey because he doesnt care that people hate him, and that doesnt fit in with the modern moral democracy of whos allowed to talk.
Im glad people weigh in on this music, but it just wont change that some people have a static worldview and probably should just stick to things they understand. Im not out here trying to teach a monkey to read, man. If youve got personal beef about the falling reputation of immigration in the uk, thats a you problem. If you hate vegans, you problem. If it really ties you in knots that a singer you dont know is a bit of a stuck up queen, you problem. I dont appreciate your derision of cogent points because you have a thorn in your jock. Got something to say in argument, say it, be a fcking adult. If the problem is "meat is murder" then make that point for consideration. I still eat meat, my point was every single one of you is an insufferable asshole even if you dont know it, everyone is, and people get butthurt when you point out that our species maps across history like bone cancer on the earth. They get mad that human altruism lives alongside lust and greed that take the wheel more often than not. That sentiment grates my ears much less than straight lying, but im well aware that the general populace would rather be gassed than second guess themselves. To tell inconvenient truths is apostasy.
@@robcoward6326yep.
Everyone doesn't hate Moz...only do gooders hate him.
I agree you could separate the two at least up to a point, though I don't find him to be all that bad, he seems a bit egocentric and emotionally immature maybe, it wouldn’t surprise me if he’s autistic. He seems very annoyed that people in general aren’t bothered about the things in life that he’s concerned with, people do have a varying view of poetry, and perhaps he assumes what other people says and does always stands in a direct correlation to how talented they are and ignoring the fact it could be deliberate choice. Seemingly he doesn’t take other peoples tastes or opinions into account which happens to be a typical personal trait of what is often called a true artist. I also believe these (strong) feelings has been a huge vehicle in his songwriting.
I think his comments on Joy Division and The Cure were a little arrogant. But I see no wrong in his political views, plus, it's just his opinion
His political views are misguided and misaligned. He's a racist who can't articulate the exact root causes of social and political issues, while also being a deeply caring person regarding animal rights and the environment.
One of the times YT algorithm does a good job of recommending something awesome - keep up the great work! :)
Thank you!!!
You had all your boosters and you hate Morrissey.
Have you ever tried thinking for yourself?
Morrissey is the antidote to all the simpering whining cancel culture bores that dominate culture today. He's not afraid to speak his mind and say what goes against the accepted narrative and doesn't give a damn what you think. He also happens to be a great songwriter and singer and performer who has sustained an interesting career with a devoted fan base since he left The Smiths. Yes, I'm a fan.
The fact that Morrissey gets to go on late night shows and perform his mediocre solo tracks to a gawking audience is an example on why cancel culture isn't real, and the real "bores" are the perpetual victims in paranoia about being Fahrenheit 451'd when they have essentially nothing of substance to say to the world. He speaks to these people and the nostalgia crowd.
@@de132 Mediocre solo tracks?
Are you just another Smiths fan who just thinks "oh he was nothing without Johnny Marr" even though he's had a successful worldwide solo career with some great albums and songs since The Smiths broke up. And if cancel culture isn't real, why are people getting sacked, vilified and shut down left right and centre for not saying the "right" thing or having the wrong political views?
Ok but still, "he's not afraid to speak his mind" and the fact that he's a racist narcissistic prick do not exclude each others
"Morrissey is the antidote to... simpering whining..." HAHAHAHAHA
You forgot to add "cancel culture bores" to what I said. @@Borninxixax
I think most people assume that if you like a band’s songs, you have to like everything about the band and what they say. Why is that? Perhaps it’s because the songs are often so personal that the listeners feel they must have so much in common with them, as if they are soulmates. That’s a bit ridiculous. I’m not sure if I’d get along with any of my favourite singers just because I like their songs.
then you're enjoying music superficially and that's OK. It's not ridiculous at all to expect the band to exemplify your beliefs, that's what people into alternative music did until 1991.
that's why they've said 'never meet your heroes' for the longest of times
Morrissey is just above you
I actually love Morrissey and he's been my hero for as long as I can remember. My dad's been a massive Smiths fan since they were active, so naturally they and Morrissey played around the house my whole upbringing, so I'll admit some bias. But it's asking an extraordinary amount to actively dislike someone and boycott their work over compiled comments over years of media scrutiny. Some of my best friends in the real world have political and social beliefs that stand absolutely against how I feel. I love them nonetheless for their qualities and good. I'm also willing to understand that intelligent people say ridiculous things when passions are high. I'd tend to imagine the subspecies comment for instance wasn't targeted at the entire Chinese population when the topic of discussion was wet markets. It's the type of thing where I'm sure despite foolishly hasty wording that PewDiePie doesn't hate black people.
The enigmatic frontman of The Smiths made me who I am today. The solo singer I saw in Birmingham one rainy October night made my year. I don't mind if he votes a different party to mine.
were you there in 1980s britain? I mean honestly, your takes are half assed
As someone who was there they’re not even that half assed, the guy spouts absolute drivel
hell yeah brother
The video is completely lifted from an old reddit thread with. the same name
I dont hate him, his music is great and thats all that matters
Johnny Marr heavily carried The Smiths imo. One of the greatest guitarist of all time
Since I am an adult I have the increasingly rare ability to separate the man and the artist Morrisey. The smiths are absolutely brilliant and while his solo is nowhere close to as good, he has made some very good solo songs as well, the most recent that comes to mind is :"Bobby, Don't You Think They Know?" Brilliant track with a new sound I had not heard from Morrisey before
Morrissey is a legend. Great lyricist, great voice, great artist. What is there not to like.
It isn't arrogance. There's a lot of self-deprecation in what he says. It's more that Morrissey, like most poets, has a pathological fear of being boring. It's the Oscar Wilde thing. He'd rather be talked about than not talked about.
I love morrissey
I love the man.
Yes!
I love Morrissey, he says a lot of uncomfortable truths.
Every free thinker loves Morrissey
I was around in the 80's and to say Joy Division defined 80's Britain...is nonsense. They were rarely mentioned in the music press or by the young alternative kids I knew. Love W/T/U/A was sometimes played at indie disco's but that was about it. People were far more into New Order. There is absolutely no influence of J/D in The Smiths...none.
Joy Division was a 1970s band, but they helped define 1980s music by creating a brand new sound that morphed into the new wave movement. Of course people were more into New Order in the 80s, New Order was an actual band in the charts at the time. It's like saying "Wham wasnt as influential as George Michael the solo singer in the 1990s." I was around in the 80s too, btw. And yes, Joy division was old hat by then, but that doesn't mean they weren't influential. Just like the sex pistols influenced pop punk of later decades.
@@gauloise6442 Joy Division only started being talked about when Factory re-released Atmosphere in 1988.
Hardly reasons to label him a 'bad person'.
"It's important to separate the art from the artist" YES!
Don't care. He could hate me, and I him, but I will forever listen and love the lyrics and music of the Smiths, and then, Morrissey 👊✌️
It's called opinion, people seem to want to like the same thing so you can feel a common ground, that's what's wrong with today, is if you're going to separate the music from the person then you need to understand your own reason why, I can understand why people don't fancy Morrissey but he's si ply just who he is and an artist to his own fashion of what HE thinks is proper to him in sound and ideal, it's also a brit fing bruv haha Liam is the same way haha but I think Morrissey is not only an outstanding vocalist and frontman but he stands on what he enjoys and doesn't care if anyone likes or doesn't like what he thinks, he just feels his ideal is right, arrogant or not, he is true about what he thinks🙏🏽
Morrisey 100 on Joy Division. Ians Death are what sparked Factory Records ans built New Order which Sumner was 100 times the writer than Curtis. And If New Order was never here then there would have been no Hacienda Club which spawned the Entire Acid House scene with literally dozens of bands all the way to Oasis. But it wasn't bc Joy Division was great it was be Ian was unfortunately dead. And uh Morrisey is awesome....
Easier to hate someone that admit they might be right….
Exactly. This was such a shallow dive into Morrissey's views and opinions. If this guy thinks that it is unarguably a good thing that the English should become more and more of a minority in their country as is inevitable given the figures and the longstanding domestic policies which drive the figures ever upwards, then that is an opinion which he has every right to hold, and Morrissey believes that it is a bad thing. Many of us agree with Morrissey. We are not hateful. Human beings throughout the millennia all over the world would have agreed with Morrissey, yet this guy won't give it a second's thought. I wonder why.
@@scunner6828People have been saying this exact thing since Morrissey was young. There is an integral Englishness that is also defined by the people who come to England, look at how English culture has been shifted by people from the West Indies, people from South East Asia, hell even Ireland. I'm not going to put a value judgement though. If you prefer how England used to be, that's your prerogative but I would say that it is influenced by an idealism for a time that never truly existed. The reason people dislike Morrissey's comments on immigration and the population composition is that he views these people as inferior and diluting.
@@de132It existed before Windrush.
@@de132 For a start, forced multiculturalism is only being done to White countries. And immigrants only come because those White countries are better than theirs. By default their presence cannot be an improvement or they would have improved their own country.
wtf i like Morrissey now.
You can't take that article by Darya Rustamova seriously. Starting with a list of Morrissey songs she misquotes, and obviously has never listened to - none of them have any racist sentiments, “This is Not Your Country” is about the troubles in N.I. ffs.
She also has no idea about the 1992 Finsbury Park gig in which Morrissey supported Madness. The area was in no way overrun with race based violence - where did she get that nonsense from? Morrissey was actually bottled off when he came on stage in the Union Flag - a misguided attempt at patriotism in a county that automatically sees this flag and the St. George cross as symbols of racism .
Darya Rustamova is purposely twisting history to fit into her own biased view.
And to influence hatful of hollow muppets like this youtuber
Ive never heard Morrisey say a dumb thing.... close but no. spot on about Joy division.
but I love Morissey
I’m Chinese and I absolutely agree that mainland Chinese are a subspecies.
I like the way you signal your virtue against hatred by been hatful, well done sir and before you say it I am not a Morrissey apologizer I don't really like the man, you might want to remember an eye for a eye leaves the world blind.
I don't think you know the difference between illegal immigration and legal immigration.
Not wanting open borders doesn't make you far right.
There are millions of labour voters who voted for Brexit.
You are correct but I think he used Morrissey’s border politics as a example, but there are other right wing ideas and ideologies that he very much pushes and believes in.
@ayanaanaya1210 I think he should highlight those sentiments instead of saying that if you want control of your borders, then you next to a rightwing nutcase.
It's not just illegal immigration, ALL mass immigration runs counter to the interests of working class people. Which is why the Poles - who benefited so much from free movement of labour - are now up in arms about mass immigration to Poland
@@ayanaanaya1210too bad its the leftist ideas that are destroying western civilization right now.
@@ayanaanaya1210 like what?
Well thanks for saying why people hate him. There are some things I agree and disagree with him. I think he uses his word poorly on the chinese thing, he’s talking about the torturing and eating of dogs which has been well documented in rural parts of China. It’s almost a crime to keep denying this because people believe that any advocacy is racist- it’s keeping this issue in the dark and if you care about animal welfare, this should be alarming to you. The other stuff, not so much.
I love Morrissey hate this bollocks
Artists will have controversial opinions. Feel free to disagree and dislike him but respect his opinions no matter what. If he were a prick but his views were aligned with the globalists politics he would still be spolighted at the pinnacle of the media. For me the fact that he defends his opinion and dares TO BE HIMSELF makes me like him and follow him even more. Or the story about "BEING YOURSELF" is acceptable only if you align with the globalist lefties?
You say everybody hates Morrissey, hmmm? Well, not MEEEEEEE!!! As Queen Jacqui Carol Yah Ha Ha HIMashiac, I LOVE LOVE LOOOOOOOVE Morrissey
Yea, C18 on Morrissey concerts, that totally happened.
🤣🤣
You cannot separate art from the artist, art is an extension of the artist, its impossible to separate Dalí from The Great Masturbator or Morrissey from The Queen is Dead.
Good luck with this method. You'll end up throwing almost all the greatest works of art in the trash can.
@@ArmanddesEsseintes-ry7vvI'm fine with that tbh
@@ArmanddesEsseintes-ry7vvonly if u can't tolerate other people having different views on the world/being bad people.
So friggen false. I can’t enjoy a Sean Oenn movie even though he’s a total jackass. Stupid take.
@@ArmanddesEsseintes-ry7vv art is so overrated. Especially old ones. So I throw it so what. It will have ZERO impact on my life. I don't live with art.
Morrissey is a God
Ha, ha, ha, I love Morrissey because he gets the right people foaming at the mouth. 😊
I have something else that is white in my mouth
@@Krysiss Pictures or it didn't happen.
@@Krysiss You should have taken it out before you started narrating
So that's why you sound so dumb in the video. About as comprehensible as a homeless crackhead on skid row.
well, he is a Gemini...
If Morrissey was left-leaning then stupid youtube vids, such as this, would be so far up his arse it's unbelievable. Im glad he's 'right wing', it's a welcome relief.
"The trouble with you, Morrissey, is you're too much of a coward to actually kill yourself". The late New Order manager Rob Gretton to Morrissey after Morrissey was slaging Joy Division on a UK television show. Morrissey then left the set. Love Rob. I may be paraphrasing a little since I don't have my copy of the Mojo Magazine Manchester Special on me right now but you get the point.
What an insult haha
Says the shill
damn he's based
He didn’t have a Union Jack I mean how very dare he 🙄
the yapping is wild
blud cant stop yapping
That isn't even the entire quote
go on....
I don't... i rather like him.
If it's not love, then it's the big, the big, the big uh tree that will bring us together
I love your channel cuz im in my yearly blur phase again
thank you lol, making that blur video also got me listening to them again
you can't listen to Song 2 forever
Morrissey is a god, he'll be proven right in time
Im struggling to think of anyone who genuinely hates Morrissey.. Maybe a few journalists who feel threatened by his intelligence. EVERYONE respects him. He's great listening to, albeit I admit not EVERYday ..
I hate Morrissey and love the smiths. Like the festivel Cruel World had to bend their knee and make all the food Vegan just for his bitchass to perform. I woulda just been like nah and found a different headliner. Literally the most bitter/annoying old bitch in the industry lol
I was a huge Morrissey fan in my adolescence and into my early to mid thirties and would even interject my own views as to what was being conveyed in controversial songs like Asian Rut and Bengali in Platforms. I would give him the benefit of the doubt and actually think that he was portraying the characters in the song with a sort of compassion, but after learning of his views my affinity for him faded pretty quickly. Not to mention that I also began to find his music somewhat boring (not all) and even unrelatable to a certain degree. I find his comment on the Chinese to be pretty ironic being that I love to study Chinese and since the pandemic, my favorite vocalist of all time has become the legendary Hong Kong singer, Priscilla Chan (Who I fortunately had the opportunity to see live last year in California). At present, I'd rather listen to most anything from Priscilla Chan's repertoire over that of Morrissey. Perhaps it's just me supplanting one guilty pleasure over a former one. Having written this, I don't mean to diminish Morrissey's musical career. The man has definitely put out some amazing classics that very seldomly I get around to listening to.
China does seem to be quite a cruel country, though.
Title baffled me. I fucking love the bloke.
Young Morrissey, that is. Old Morrissey is a different person altogether. My theory is that if youre as evidently depressed as someone like that, you either end up as Ian Curtis or you end up as Old Morrissey.
*NOT HISPANICS!!! WE ❤HIM!*
Indeed, we love Morrissey.
mmmm this is like your opinion man
There can be only one ! I love Morrissey !
Free spirit , just Based.
I dont agree with anything he says but i sort of think at least hes not just apologising cos he thinks the public will like that
Hated the smiths and morrisey back in 80s...but i like him now!😃
He likes Bernie Sanders so he's not an actual right-wing person like yourself.
Our failure to understand art represents the artist is exactly how people get into this mess every time.
This is how we get millions supporting someone who went full fash.
Our failure to denounce terrible people influences others to do the same and exaggerate.
But it's a "to each their own" situation.
A person who can make the distinction usually tries to reduce harm by denouncing the artist's specific actions.
But most can't and don't.
To me personally there's enough good artists in the world so I can choose the ones that don't say/do horrible stuff
And I'm not emotionally connected enough to any work for art except my own, so it's easy to stop consuming.
I do understand others get emotionally invested..
It's a bit parasocial but I understand why people do that.
Morrissey is a legend and I really don’t think he’ll care what you or tik tok users think of him 😂 And as someone who loved the Smiths back in the day and now hearing Morrissey is now far right is laughable.
He is exactly the same, its just the Left moved so far left, he ended up right wing without moving.
@@gauloise6442 The left have moved so far left that they think that children can consent to sex changes.
What else do they think children can consent to?
Not trying to equate the 2 but Lenon was an ass also. Mean spirited, divisive, and yet wrote "Imagine"
Imagine was actually a poem by yoko ono
Lennon wrote "imagine all the people living life in peace" and had a song thrashing Paul in the SAME album.
@@allisonchainz82 It is based off a yoko ono poem. He rewrote the lyrics. Her lyrics " "Imagine the clouds dripping, dig a hole in your garden to put them in."[
i never knew moz talked arrogantly bc i thought all british people talked like that
lol
It's just an inferiority complex by the uploader.
they all do
They say if you haven't got anything nice to say, then don't say anything. Morrissey says ALL the not-nice things, and so he always comes across as a very unfriendly person.
If not for that, people would have a lot more respect for him. It's not like he doesn't deserve it, either - his music and lyrics speak to a lot of people, including myself.
He's a legend.. end of
"Why Does Everyone HATE Morrissey from The Smiths?" I don't hate Morrissey, so, clearly not everyone!
I think the most influential band of 1980's Britain were the Cocteau Twins, at least artistically speaking.
Your point about Morrissey's parents being immigrants is not valid.
Obviously, Irish and English have a lot in common in terms of both DNA and culture. The current foreigners in the UK do not.
England for the English!
Exactly.
Well, it is valid. His parents were immigrants - they were not from the UK and they're not English. Irish people were horribly discriminated against in England for years. Have you never heard of "No Irish, No Blacks, No Dogs"? That was a sign that landlords used to put in windows when Irish IMMIGRANTS came looking for somewhere to live. John Lydon, another child of Irish immigrants, used it for the title of his autobiography.