Infinite's Master Revealed? (Sonic Theory)
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- čas přidán 29. 10. 2018
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#Sonic #SonicForces #Infinite - Hry
Love this theory but I doubt Sega will ever bring Mephelies back, sadly
I have always thought that infinite got pulled into null space after he was defeated. My theory was that the ruby itself was alive and evil. It makes way more sense that Mephiles was pulling the strings. However, Sega rarely goes that deep in something that isn't a comic book, so it will probably never be confirmed.
Mephiles is made of dark energy, so that means he could've possibly lived and created the ruby out of his own true form.
Yeah but….I think mephiles also is infinites father 9:07
I personally think it was chaos
This is actually a really interesting theory. It invites the possibility of something far more dark and serious happening behind the scenes and more dangers far greater than what Sonic and his friends have face before have yet to come. This actually makes me want to adapt this theory into my Sonic Forces fan comic I'm making and turn it into something much bigger.
If you made that comic, I'd like to read it. I wanna get goosebumps as Mephiles' plans come together.
@@cadeshanley218 Thanks for the support!
@Midnight☪Wonder No problem. It's a crime not to make a fanfiction on this theory. But have Mephiles primarily want to target Shadow.
@@cadeshanley218 Poor Shadow...
@@Midnight3Wonder Considering their history in Sonic 06
This makes a strange amount of sense and people have been comparing Mephiles and Infinite.....
There is only one way to know the answer
*knocks down SEGA's door* WHERE IS SONIC FORCES 2?!
Considering how Mephiles was originally intended to be a part of this game at some point in one of the early drafts, that wouldnt be too far fetched.
SONIC FORCES 2 HAS BEEN LEAKED ITS COMING OUT IN 2021 ALL RIGHT
@@Sinphos7707 I don’t trust you tho-
@@Ryandrawsstuff786 I was joking lol
My idea is that
Dark Gaia is the Iblis remnant of Solaris, with some pieces of mephiles
The time eater is one of the mephiles remnants of Solaris, with some Iblis
The phantom ruby is the closest to what is left of pure mephiles, it has its own will and powers but it is incomplete and cannot manifest itself fully or use its powers fully, and as such is seeking out a host like infinite, and then going to track down its other remnants, it’s the reality manipulating part of mephiles while the time eater is the time manipulating part, one has the mind and consciousness, the other is a pure destructive force bent on destroying time
I love Sonic Forces. I'm just happy that people even still acknowledge Infinite, I really hope SEGA bring him back. This is a great theory! Needs more views :)
Jen K Thank you!! And I also hope they bring him back.
Really infinite's real is such as bendy
I hope they being him back and explain his past more and I want to know his real name.
I thought the exact same thing! I mean the similar personalities, powers, and a plan related to the sun! HOW COULD THEY NOT BE CONNECTED! I really hope Sega gives us a Forces 2 that focuses on Infinite and Mephiles
I wish that could be the case.
I love your theory and Mephiles is tied with Infinite for my fav Sonic villain. So I would love for both to come back.
What I love about Infinite is the untapped potential he has and what the fans have done with him.
It seems like Infinite has become the new Mephiles (a villain from a game that wasn't really liked, but the villain himself has a great following)
Everything about Infinite just says badass villain. Everything he says is badass. His appearance is badass. He has badass reality bending powers. His voice is badass.
I agree
Sonic forces is still one of my favorite games. I am still a little upset about how they teased us into thinking there would be more dlc. I hope they make a sequel. I am not gonna read the comics until I know for sure they are cannon or not.
Spider Master Glad to hear you liked Forces too. Also, the IDW comics are pretty good, not as good as the Pre Worlds Collide Archie Comics, but still good.
@@thesilverace01 I also really like your theory. It sounds very interesting.
Spider Master Thank you!!
@@thesilverace01 your welcome.
IDW sonic is canon sonic
I hope you have more creepy therories like this for canon Sonic games.
So, Mephiles is Thanos and Infinite is Ultron?
Well, even if that’s not exactly the case, I really love this theory because it means that Mephiles, one of my favourite Sonic characters, is still alive. It could also give an explanation for why the 06 timeline came back in Generations. When Ellis blew out Solaras’ flame, that timeline was erased, but perhaps Mephiles was the one to bring it back so as to give Silver his confusion.
And it's up to Shadow alone to end Mephiles once and for all.
I don’t know, I think it might take the help of a couple other Hedgehogs.
@@thesilverace01
But want it make more sens for it to just be Shadow? I mean he is responsible for Infinate's creation. And Mephiles being sealed. So having Shadow clean up his two biggest mistake's ever wad make more sens than it being Sonic. Or Silver. Don't you think? The two hate Shadow the most out of the 3 hedgehog.
Absolutely fascinating!
I'm reminded of a dark silver fanfiction I read a while ago... it makes me wander. If what your saying is true then it's possible that could explain infinites suddun and seemingly pathetic tantrum. Infinite came in contact with the phantom ruby *before* he officially meets shadow. If mephils was already linked to infinite in some way like say his emotions where somehow synced with mephilis's. That could provide a more realistic situation.
So in essence if this what I suggest is so... shadow indirectly called Mephilies weak... which would explain his fit of anger.
This also shows that Sega could really make things interesting if they brought back infinite and actually cared about explaining his character more thouraghly. :/
Hey, remember in Sonic 2006 shadow at a point says this: " and that is the original mephiles" what does that conclude to?
Sorry I’ve replied to this video 3 years later but this makes sense because when we first see infinite he leaves sonic alive and when we get introduced to the character we make in sonic forces he says “cower in fear and I’ll let you live” and mephilis likes to make them suffer this makes sense
I really hope with all the changes going on with yt algorithms, they work in your favor. I'm sure glad I was recommended this one. Seems like I've been getting smaller channels in my recs lately. Nice to see a positive Sonic channel with some cool thoughts and theories to boot. And yeah, Infinite definitely needs to return. There's so much potential there. And with your theory, it would be a great way to bring back Mephiles, too. I really hope Sega/Sonic Team don't continue to waste such cool characters. It'd be a great way to keep a little continuity with the series.
Thank you for your kind words! Comments like these are always great to see
Infinite will return in next game I'm sure
And I remember a other theory who says that the phantom rubi is a "corrupted" version of the 8th Chaos Emerald
The thing about this theory is that it fucking makes sense to such a high level, like, if this is true, they could be setting up for mephiles comeback, and boy it would be THE greatest story build up in years! Because the way I think whenever seeing a new villain is oh amazing, but sonic will win in the end, for mephiles however, this was not the case, considering I played sonic 06 at a rather young age, everything about mephiles just disturbed me, now that I think more about, mephiles never really wanted world domination or anything of that sorts, he literally wanted to erase existence! Now I'm pretty sure that someone with that kind of thoughts, and as unpredictable as him, deserves an amazing comeback in a more recent sonic game
Didn’t know that you’ve helped me understand the sonic universe twice
Bro u deserve much much much more subs tbh
Awesome video!
Unlimited Gamer Thank you!
I’d love to see a video game version of mammoth mogul
My idea, he sets his sights on revenge and he and eggman collect the chaos emeralds in order to supercharge the phantom ruby, with all collected the new phantom infinite goes to take sonic and his friends down. Eggman would rather take over the world but infinite does not betray him, more like he is going off on his own now but he might come back to help in the future. There could be a cool cutscene showing infinite on a tall tower recapping the events and losing his mind, not a I AM NOT WEAK moment but more punching the floor and walls around him while screaming he hasn’t changed. It could be cool because now it is personal and instead of saving the world sonic has to save himself
The silver Ace01: “Agh, it just fell out of the sky.”
Wow how I love this theory! It makes a lot of sense really, I mean Mephiles IS a great villain who you cannot get enough of! So I appreciate all theories that give his character justice. Thanks for making this video!
Thank YOU for watching it!
Gotta say that is one great and fascinating theory which I found very believable and sensible. in fact I kinda believe it.
A theory that makes Forces and 06 seem way better than they actually were.
Oh no the narrator voice😩😂
Oh hush
The Silver Ace01 😂😁
Infinite and Mephilies are meant to be allies. Just look at them both! Its like destiny!
I either have this theory that mephiles has created the phantom ruby, this is awsome.
4 years after the fact and I still adhere to this thought. It simply makes too much sense.
And can we just acknowledge the whole "red eye" thing?
Bro...that actually intrigued me!
I've been looking back on all these theories about Infinite before the game came out (Y'know, simpler times), just to see how wrong they were, or how awesome it could've been. But here, you brought something a little different to the table and I appreciate that.
Nice job man!
actually sega just became a lot less hateful towards sonic 06 recently. at least in the sonic 101 video they recently put out
That’s true
And nah, you're good man. Forces had a lot of little details that are easily overlooked because of how quick the game can be beat. But if you really look into the story, especially the Japanese story without corny English dialogue, there's subtle details that if explored, could have greatly improved the story. But, of course, a lot of people don't play Sonic games for the story, so the creators don't care put to much emphasis on overall quality.
Sorry for the comment spam, but to elaborate on the details thing, on my first playthrough of Forces, it didn't register with me that Infinite actually murdered a lot of people. The game made it seem like they were just knocked out, but when I looked at the Japanese cutscene of the avatar's flashback, the screams of the people he attacked sounded pretty horrific. And then there's the dialogue where he says he only let the avatar live, as in not get killed, so that they could go and spread panic and fear to the others. He was a pretty ruthless villain, yet people just disregard him or he's kind of been relegated to being an 'edgelord' or that 'I'm not weak' meme. Anyway, he's probably my favorite Sonic villain since Chaos. Where was I going with this? Oh yes, subtle details getting overlooked, but when looked at closely there's more to the story. Damn it would be awesome if this (or something similar) was the explanation to phantom ruby's origin. Great sleuthing dude, I'm subbed now so I'm looking forward to whatever content you have in store. :)
I like the idea/theory that Infinite knew the Rookie sometime before his corruption and was their friend but Robotnik turned him into a weapon. It would have added more depth to Infinite.
Some people should make a Fanfiction of this for Generations, Mania, Forces, and Mania +! Have Mephiles be like Thanos in the MCU.
Yo... YOOOOOOOOOOOOOOOOOO
I've been trying to come up with a solid background for the AU Rewrite I'm making, and up til now, I've been banking on the Nocturnus Clan, Black Arms, and another (original) alien species making a really bad mistake. But now?... I'm torn between that story and Mephiles. However, if I involve Mephiles *with* the Black Arms... Hmm. I may be reaching a little too far into Zero Gravity territory here, but damn if it ain't fun!
Thank you for making this fantastic video!
Pyrite The Sand Gem Thank YOU for your wonderfully kind comment.
Why are you making an au for sonic? this isnt undertale
@@Ranfriendss because god has cursed me for my hubris and my work is never finished
but seriously, I used to follow the UTMV crowd, and although it didn't come up much bc the focus was more on making interesting team-ups, rivalries, drama, high-stakes hero-villain plots, etc., my favorite bits were always lore-centric. Because of that, I got super into things like the Swap and Fell bases, since they were more or less blank slates with one guiding theme to set up history for, or the Dream brothers and Reaper AU, because they were already based primarily in that lore-heavy line of thought
so when I got into the Sonic franchise, it immediately struck me how *disorganized* everything was - and I'm not upset about it, because obviously that can be fun in its own right and I have no idea how much time and effort goes into making this big-budget cash cow walk. But nonetheless, I wanted to figure out what it might look like if it *was* more cohesive.
So, I started an AU, tying together as many mainline games, comic arcs, and spin-offs as I could, while creating a solid background for worldbuilding that would allow it all to take place in one timeline, albeit with a lot of modifications to make the story flow smoother... And, of course, just for good ol' wish fulfillment. Let Shadow have a support Chao 2k20
and then I got emotionally invested so I just kept making stuff up and have posted basically nothing bc I'm plagued with that nigh-universal dilemma of Art Procrastination, bc I never feel like it's "ready" to be shown off... Oops
Pyrite The Sand Gem If I may offer a word of advice, sometimes it’s better to just take the leap and release it even if you’re not 100% comfortable with it. No point in doing all that hard work it no one sees it right? You’re always gonna be more critical of your own stuff than other people, so it’s best to not let that stop you from sharing that with the world
@@thesilverace01 That's fair. Been trying to work up the courage for a while, but, y'know. It's hard to ignore that anxiety. Hearing from other people really does help, though; the more I see that it *legitimately* doesn't have to be perfect, that not everyone expects that, the easier it becomes to actually sit down and work on it. Thank you, I really appreciate it!
I always interpreted the lines as infinites self turmoil the pain of losing basically his only family (Jackal squad) and "I can't resist" being his inability to resist power he will do whatever it takes to get revenge even if it means destroying the world. Cool theory though I really like the idea of mephiles creating the Phantom ruby
Somewhat related, Infinite has gone against all three of the hedgehogs as well. Claiming that fighting Silver "wasnt part of my agenda", this could had been because Mephelis knows Silver can be manipulated and to leave him out for a later plan or pick them off one by one and break hope. Because frankly if Sonic or Shadow ideally Silver would take lead but that kind of pressure can break a person especially living up to those too, in this time Silver can be easily manipulated.
I usually had just thought that maybe there is an entity that is trapped within the Phantom Ruby or that it might have been created by an entity that was born not of any reality but from an all consuming void.
Me: before watching this: this might be interesting
Me when I hear him say Meplis: aw man! we just can't get away from this guy!
Me after watching the video: I was right.
It’s crazy how 2 strongest characters came out in the most hated games, doesn’t make sense.
I think it's possible for mephiles to travel to the future Sonic,s future to turn it in the opesit of it would be
I think this sounds more like fact than theory
Well don’t some fans want Scourge to be canon
SR Striker As much as I love Scourge I can almost 100% guarantee that we will never see him in the games.
The Silver Ace01 I know but maybe he could replace Shadow because I don’t understand why Infinite would recruit him aside from Zavok, Chaos and Metal sonic.
And chaos should have his own boss fight
I like this theory. Perhaps not Mephiles, but The End.
"I am Infinite."
There is not without a doubt that it was The End. His powers and color scheme is too identical to the theme of Sonic Frontiers. Fake realities? Null Space? Corruption? You cannot tell me nothing checks off.
this is very similar to my own head cannon but I personally think the time eater and ruby are progressively diminished forms of Mephiles and infinite isn't a puppet so much as a new host to be used for Mephiles to use to return with. I prefer the idea of him being on the back foot after solaris' defeat, he's struggling to survive, actively trying to return in some form or another
"i'm coming"(jack impression) WHAT DOES IT MEAN, WHAT DOES IT MEAN!?!?!?
Sonic Forces is in dire need of a sequel...there are more questions then answers. Where did the Phantom Ruby come from and who created it? Is there really more to Infinite then we are led to believe? What happened to Dr. Robotnik after he was defeated? (No I don't count his appearance in Team Sonic Racing. That's a spinoff.) It's really a shame the closest thing we got to a sequel to Sonic Forces was Sonic Mania Encore but really all that covers is what happened to Classic Sonic World Sonic after he returned to his world and since the other Sonic had really little to do with the plot in forces outside of fan service for people who played Mania do we really care? Probably not.
Just did a little skit on my channel based on this theory. I hope you enjoy it.
I do love this theory but it half makes sense The reason I said half is because Mephiles is gone and Saga promise to never bring him back so my theory who might be the puppet master is DR EGGMAN NEGA you probably know who he is he is the arch nemesis of silver the hedgehog he is from the future and he is Eggman descendant and it will also make sense. Where the Phantom ruby came from because the troubled child living t phantom ruby came from because it can travel to different dimensions and you know who is the master of that Eggman Nega yes he’s also enemies with blaze the cat he even tried destroy the world twice so make sense why infinite tried to throw the sun ☀️ in the resistance faces but hey is just my theory
MetalSonicBoom 123 Interesting theory, I never considered Eggman Nega, but it is possible. However, even though Sega said they wouldn’t bring back Mephiles, they also said Classic Sonic wouldn’t come back after Generations, they change their minds a lot.
I always wanted know why he was pulled up to that tower. Is his real body up there and the Infinite we've been fighting been a clone this whole time?
I really hope Infinite returns. There's so much they could do with his character.
A great theory
If the dark half separated from the flame before it was blown out then he’d have no form and no way to ever become a god again. Leaving him just so angry and unable to win. So he’d have to manipulate realities using the phantom ruby.
Basically the light of the flame was destroyed Leaving the darkness if it in a state where it's goal is impossible to fullfil and what option is there when nothing matters other then to destroy everything so no one else wins (time eater and phantom Ruby's extreme levels of destruction across multiple timelines/universes)
@@sebay4654 agreed
I really like this theory, and I like the idea of meohiles coming back cuz I thought he was really cool :)
This would make sense if implemented in Sonic Prime
Cool theory and vid.
People are probably going to yell at me but Infinite is my favorite Sonic character. Edit: 4:18 Wait was that Thanos? Oh my God Thanos is the Mastermind! The phantom Ruby must be the reality stone! It makes so much sense I...wait a minute.
I’m glad you like this game
I have a friend who does and when I make a sonic series review video (I reviewed each sonic game I’ve played) and when I hated the game she still supported it and I like her for that
Ok I don't agree with this theory for a few known reasons.
1:There is no known evidence that Mephiles created the phantom Ruby and it think it is Created by Eggman (The one form classic Sonic's dimension) mainly because he knows how to use it so easily
2: Infinite and Mephiles don't have the same ablites
Mephiles and shot dark energy and balls form his hands travel through time make clones of himself and create living shadows and fly, while Infinite make illusions fly shot red cubes and send people to null space.
3: I think the lyrics I can't resist means that Infinite can't resist his angry towards Shadow.
4: Not just Mephiles was erased form existence's but everything in 06 was to excluding the characters involved with the solaris project, So for Mephiles to come back his other haft Eplise would need to come back as well and the comic you show at 5:00 is not cannon
If Sonic 06 wasn't canon, then Silver shouldn't exist in the canon video games in the first place....
Also Mephiles and Ibilis combined form (Solaris) had a red glowing weak spot on it. So what if it was shattered and spread across different times and places to become the phantom ruby and it’s prototypes
@The Silver Ace01 Check Infinite's official theme song music video on Sonic The Hedgehog channel Infinite's eyes turn from yellow to green. Exactly like Mephiles.
Infinite The Jackal and Silver The Hedgehog Are Awesome !
Infinite is not coming back anymore, because Sonic and his friends killed him at the end of Sonic Forces.
i hope mephiles comes back. he's the only antagonist i like, even if sonic 06 sucks
I don’t think it could be bringing him back for his punishment because despite people mocking infinite he was the best sonic villain we had in a while he DEFEATED sonic and had the resistance on the ropes until they were able to save sonic hell if he didn’t drop the prototype ruby he would of won! My guess is mephiles is saving infinite for a future plan possibly for when he makes his big return
I think the master is The Phantom Ruby or The Spirit of the phantom ruby
I Also Like This Theory.👍
I Have a Theory
There Only 3 People Who Can Be Infinites Master
Mephiles
Eggman Nega
Or....
BLACK DOOM
Maybe Black Doom is still alive and he is controlling The Phantom ruby?
"Ima drop a sun on the world and see what happens"
Infinite *clap* should *clap* be *clap* brought *clap* back
Sonic Forces is one of my favorite games! (right next to roblox)
And sins Infinite and Mephiles hate Shadow so much. Then maybe if it's true, then the game that shows his return, then the game won't be a Sonic game, but another Shadow game. So this war may not be over, in the end, it won't be the Sonic Heroes who saves the day, becouse the'll just be in there way. Because the prime target, is Shadow the hedgehog him self.
Me : "How did you go from Zero a mercenary to a chaotic Infinite with a dangerous rock?"
This video : "Let me explain"
Infinite is honestly one of my favorite characters he just misunderstood... Also Sonic Forces is one my favorite games too!
Mephiles is an alpha gamer
I think your right (Infinite & Mephles) I'M NOT WEAK AHHHHHHHHHHHHHHHHHH
I think that the ruby was something lift by chaos when he killed the knuckles clan
Yeah I'm pretty sure it's the heavy King with the heavy magician catching Sonic Mania plus the heavy magician was it destroyed unlike the heavy rider in the heavy King
Welp I think we’re gonna get a sonic forces 2 boys
I hope this is true it gives the three hedgehogs a time to be a true goku, vegeta and trunks rip off. :-) ;-), if it's true it makes all the games make sense beside sonic boom
YEAAAH MEPHILES
If it was a metholas They would’ve had a Bossfight of him
IT'S SMART
Infinite the Jackal is not coming back anymore, because Sonic and his friends killed him for some reason.
I love how 1 person dislikes the video...
So, did gerald create shadow to defeat methphis. So sonic could defeat infinite?
I just assumed it was Dharkon.
This makes since now and this theorie is dark
Shadow=Mewtwo
Infinite=Giovanni
It's Eggman calling him back thoue the ruby, and that's why he has it a little later.
mephiles
You should really make more theories
I’ve actually got one in the works right now! They just take a while to make
Cool! What’s it about?
The Silver Ace01 And Do you think the fun is infinite Sonic cd Easter egg connects to infinite somehow?
Thegalactiknight I’d rather not say what the theory is about, don’t wanna ruin the surprise. But I will say that it’s something the fan base as a whole has been pondering for a while. As for the CD connection, I think it’s possible that it came up while designing Infinite, but I don’t think it holds much meaning in terms of his overall character/backstory.
Yes he mite a secret mike in his ear
Its Sage :)
This seems kinda like a parody video to be honest. Your theory seems to ignore any conflicting evidence such as it being heavily implied that Eggman called Infinite back to use the ruby himself while you also make up abilities for characters to support your theory. Mephiles has never shown the ability to create full on illusions and Silver and Shadow has not been shown to remember sonic 06 though crisis city for some reason still exists in at least one timeline.
It is also worth mentioning that it would be out of character for Mephiles (if the time eater is part of him in sonic generations) to let sonic live and especially torture him as the only person he shows strong feelings towards is shadow after getting trapped by him in the past. Mephiles has also been shown in the past to act before the good guys even gets to know what's going on.
Mephiles is my favorite character in the series so i really like the idea of him coming back, but i can't ignore that your theory seems a bit uneducated in terms of sonic lore.
please correct me if i'm wrong about anything. I'm just as human as you are and the sonic lore is so huge
how adot some sort of dark infinite like dark sonic
Yeah and kinda random but mephlis eyes are the same color as the Phantom ruby well not the eyes but the back of the eyes
i'm pretty sure it's eggman.
I WANT INFINITE BACK I EVEN PUT HIM IN MAH ROBLOX GAME