The Sonic Theorist: Who Is Infinite? [OUTDATED]

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  • čas přidán 29. 08. 2017
  • Set to debut in Sonic Forces-Infinite seems to be unlike anything the Sonic Heroes have seen before. This unknown entity has united with Dr. Eggman to help bring the mad scientist's dream of global conquest to fruition, once and for all.
    But who is he? What is he? And what are the formidable powers he possesses?
    I am The Sega Scourge-The Sonic Theorist. Let's find out!
    ► Sonic Theorist playlist:
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    CREDITS:
    ► Thumbnail art by SPD64
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    ► Sega Scourge poses by SonidaRH
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    ► BGM by Alex Cannon
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    ► Sonic Theorist opening animation by Freggie
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    ► Sonic Mania final boss gameplay footage recorded by SonicWindBlue
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Komentáře • 2,8K

  • @mikester8171
    @mikester8171 Před 6 lety +291

    If I had the Phantom Ruby, I'd change dimensions to where Sonic Forces has this plot

    • @rllycldg_3633
      @rllycldg_3633 Před 5 lety +7

      69 likes

    • @comradethegreat3599
      @comradethegreat3599 Před 4 lety +12

      But what if that dimension doesn't have Sonic Mania and Sonic Forces has as much bugs as 06?

    • @billcipher3180
      @billcipher3180 Před 4 lety +11

      @@comradethegreat3599 BURN IT

    • @shadowsnake5133
      @shadowsnake5133 Před 3 lety +3

      @@comradethegreat3599 or worse, a world where 06 did so well that Elise is shown kissing sonic at least in basically every game. Like, congratulations, they all have good plots, but Elise might be ducking sonic over there... and you still remember our 06 mind you.

    • @k9handler95
      @k9handler95 Před 3 lety

      Me: own the world

  • @FamerGame
    @FamerGame Před 6 lety +127

    19:05 No. it's not Friendship...
    ITS THE POWER OF TEAM WORK

    • @damongambuti
      @damongambuti Před 6 lety +24

      *W E ' R E G O N N A S H O W T H E M T H E R EA L S U P E R P O W E R O F T E A M W O R K !*

    • @uberman64
      @uberman64 Před 6 lety +6

      SONIC HEROOOOOOOOOOOOOOOOOOOOOES (Sonic Heroooes!)

    • @phillipthenamekianreturns830
    • @PAP888
      @PAP888 Před 6 lety +2

      FamerGame team work makes the dream work

    • @AlternativeShae
      @AlternativeShae Před 6 lety

      **insert wisp form here for custom hero**

  • @KaiboStudios
    @KaiboStudios Před 6 lety +280

    I've already seen all the cutscenes, I'm not gonna spoil anything but I will say this. This would have been a better story

  • @tekinafiction9324
    @tekinafiction9324 Před 6 lety +198

    This may not be canon, but this is a wonderful theory that many fans still hold in their hearts post-release. You can find art and fanfics online-some romantic or just friendship, but it's all sad.
    We're all Sonic fans. So let's not bully and degrade others for making fanart, stories, or OCs surrounding this theory. Or interpreting Infinite and the Avatar's past as romance or friendship. Sonic himself wouldn't do that--he was supportive, kind, and loyal to the custom character throughout the game
    .
    Let's embrace our difference and hear our different theories. We need to spread more positivity, love, and acceptance in this fandom.

    • @rbwjakfjenwbw1009
      @rbwjakfjenwbw1009 Před 6 lety +2

      This

    • @KingOfMana
      @KingOfMana Před 6 lety +17

      Sonic fans like you make me feel a lot better about being a Sonic fan, our fandom can be dangerously toxic most of the time.

    • @yu-nee4642
      @yu-nee4642 Před 5 lety +15

      "this is a wonderful theory that many fans still hold in their hearts post-release."
      I like to headcanon this and the "Scars" fan comic instead of the canon story. They are just so much more involving and interesting while also leaving behind a good ending for a character I was very excited for.

    • @gracekim25
      @gracekim25 Před 4 lety +2

      tekina fiction indeed😇

    • @FuryMcpurey
      @FuryMcpurey Před 3 lety +2

      People like you are why I still stick around in the Sonic fandom. :)

  • @cameronreitmaier9334
    @cameronreitmaier9334 Před 6 lety +64

    Something I noticed in the lyrics of infinite song is this.
    I am the tallest of mountains - Zavok
    I am the roughest of waves - Chaos
    I am the toughest of terrors - Metal Sonic
    I am the darkest of days - Shadow
    Is this big information for you or not. I have not seen anyone else who noticed this as well yet

    • @mysterynerd3591
      @mysterynerd3591 Před 6 lety

      Cameron Reitmaier hell ye boi

    • @alanmooreisrasputinreincar8106
      @alanmooreisrasputinreincar8106 Před 6 lety +1

      god damn that makes a lot of sense except for the fact that metal sonic is three of them metal turns in to a giant metal dragon making him the tallest of mountains and brings some the darkest moments in sonic history being the darkest of days

    • @astriddinda477
      @astriddinda477 Před 6 lety

      Wait, how can you inferring the meaning of the firts lyrics referring to the zavok character?

  • @alduintheanti-dragonborn
    @alduintheanti-dragonborn Před 6 lety +139

    Well you just made a better plot than Sega had in game.

  • @e123shadowaisha
    @e123shadowaisha Před 6 lety +124

    This is LIGHTYEARS better than what actually ended up being the story.

  • @Ron_Junkman
    @Ron_Junkman Před 6 lety +254

    And SEGA did say Sonic Forces is a more darker story then the recent games.

    • @neil4542
      @neil4542 Před 6 lety +5

      Ron Gamer yes it is, but it has remember that a lot of kids play sonic games

    • @Aes_Saru
      @Aes_Saru Před 6 lety +28

      Neik The Fantasy kids need to learn....not everything has a happy ending.sonic included.

    • @FindingsOfAnArmouredMind
      @FindingsOfAnArmouredMind Před 6 lety +7

      That grammar, my God!

    • @jamariwhite949
      @jamariwhite949 Před 6 lety

      resent is an entirely different word.

    • @okamiodonnell9153
      @okamiodonnell9153 Před 6 lety +23

      Really, anything is darker than the story in Sonic's recent games. I'm hoping it's about the same level as the Adventure series and 06.

  • @GamerGuyd7Aces
    @GamerGuyd7Aces Před 6 lety +525

    This has to be your BEST Theory yet Scourge! :) Really love how you broke down the Infinite Theme lyrics and even Fist Bump, which people loved to ridicule.

    • @crackheadspeedway6788
      @crackheadspeedway6788 Před 6 lety +7

      Keelan Barron because Sonic fans

    • @naschaos25jxf57
      @naschaos25jxf57 Před 6 lety +4

      Keelan Barron I only mock fist bump cause the singer is bad

    • @manikdx2000
      @manikdx2000 Před 6 lety +6

      Anyone thing that the Phantom Ruby may have absorbed some of Super Sonic's abilities hence him being faster than Sonic?

    • @jamainegardner4193
      @jamainegardner4193 Před 6 lety

      +Keelan Barron Well the Beat is great, especially at the start, but the Lyrics are dumb

    • @DavidYoung.04
      @DavidYoung.04 Před 6 lety +1

      GamerGuyd7Aces I

  • @thesegascourge
    @thesegascourge  Před 6 lety +208

    Well to those who may have seen the leaks for the game, like myself, as to not build up your expectations; I can say with candor that not everything is as I'd hoped it would be in the story of Sonic Forces 😭 But honestly, that was to be expected.
    But, that is unfortunately the risk one runs when developing a "predictions" or "theory" video prior to a game's release. However I don't regret it one bit and I'm still really proud to have developed this video and shared the experience with all of you!
    For many of us, "comprehensive story and character development" is something we've learned not to associate with "Sonic The Hedgehog" in recent years, the finest hours for the story left long ago with games like the Adventure series, Unleashed, Black Knight and heck, even Shadow The Hedgehog or Sonic 06 - in terms of genuine character development. (fite me)
    It's a shame that we may never see a Sonic story reach a level of intricacy as chronicled here, and when someone like me, a mere Sonic-fan can come up with something that causes more hype and intrigue than the actual writers with some 23 years worth of writing experience beneath their belts... that's a problem. 😟
    Nonetheless, thank you all for being so accepting of this theory and the tangled web of story I weaved from just an odd thought one night, you're all freakin' awesome and your support means everything!
    Sega Scourge, out!

    • @ShadeMeadows
      @ShadeMeadows Před 6 lety +9

      Well, at least it seems fun, but don'tcha worry Scourge, the video Was and Is awesome!
      =) never lose hope, we may still have a Story-Rich Sonic game yet, but well, lets see if SF will have DLC eh?

    • @Ballade90
      @Ballade90 Před 6 lety +15

      Yeah, not gonna lie, this sounded a lot better than the final result. A corrupted, brainwashed friend is exactly the kind of saturday morning cartoon nonsense that sega would do, but they stood with something else and left a lot more questions as a result.

    • @msjuliet081
      @msjuliet081 Před 6 lety

      I know what he looks like, its in a shadow comic in a gang that tried to defeat dr eggman but shadow you know defeated them and infinite decided to join so he became that but his eyes were blue and yellow AND NO THIS IS NOT A THEROY ITS IN A SHAWDOW COMIC, INFINITE USED TO BE GOOD

    • @ShadeMeadows
      @ShadeMeadows Před 6 lety +4

      It... never said if he was a GOOD mercenary, he looked quite evil, well... waiting for more in the next game

    • @LoneKuroRaifu
      @LoneKuroRaifu Před 6 lety

      Ew, you watched the leaks. :/

  • @greenstarlover1
    @greenstarlover1 Před 6 lety +45

    I really wish this was the actual backstory for infinite - it'll make the OC character make sense storywise (and not just as a gimmick), and would make a much better (and needed) character development for both the OC and infinite.

  • @FlowerFueled
    @FlowerFueled Před 6 lety +34

    Sonic Forces has the potential to have a REALLY good story.
    If this is true (especially The Tragic Villain one) then this would without a doubt be one of the best stories in a Sonic Game.

  • @gamefreakDX
    @gamefreakDX Před 6 lety +71

    Well now Sonic Forces' cutscenes are up.
    After watching them, it makes me wish this theory was true for various reasons...

    • @blackbluealexv2
      @blackbluealexv2 Před 6 lety +12

      Infinite being controlled by the phantom ruby and forced to fight his best friend is definitely better than "I am not weak !" thing. Even if it was executed better , I would still prefer segascourge's theory...

    • @spiritualmonk5337
      @spiritualmonk5337 Před 2 lety

      @@blackbluealexv2 well the best friend part is out but he still is being controlled at the end when you heat him one last time he says wait I can still fight I was forced away by the ruby that's then when you fight egg man

  • @acdtrip3914
    @acdtrip3914 Před 6 lety +73

    "You live a lie thats the difference between you and me, i have the power let me show you what its all about"
    More eluding to the fact infinite knows hes in a game

  • @elionmittiga2262
    @elionmittiga2262 Před 6 lety +505

    ......when sadly the theory is FAR better than the original game!

  • @Tridege
    @Tridege Před 6 lety +13

    I love the theme for Infinite but one line caught me. "I was born in this pain, it only hurts if you let it." That is a very odd part

  • @venchii6870
    @venchii6870 Před 6 lety +14

    If you listen to the lyrics after The Pain persists it says "but that's what it takes to be Infinite" which makes things a lot more clearer

  • @chrisjoseph4224
    @chrisjoseph4224 Před 6 lety +25

    Don't worry. You are not the only person to think that mind control would be the most boring thing ever. I hope the villains are fighting on the side of enemy for their own reasons that boosts their character.

  • @LOSTOBERON
    @LOSTOBERON Před 6 lety +7

    I swear if the theory of Infinite being friends with the custom character was true I would’ve started crying my damn eyes out.

  • @callmeninaiced
    @callmeninaiced Před 6 lety +11

    Honestly i wish that this was the actual story of forces

  • @rejisha
    @rejisha Před 6 lety +177

    Infinite uses debug mode. *Wow over 1 week I wasn't expecting so many likes.*

  • @MrGlenncrawley
    @MrGlenncrawley Před 6 lety +42

    Mind control is a boring reason for the bad guys to be working with Eggman I agree with you

  • @special0629
    @special0629 Před 6 lety +193

    Forgot the old comment, what happens now happens.

    • @thegarboarto
      @thegarboarto Před 6 lety +19

      *I AM NOT WEEEAAAAAAK*
      *REEEEEEEEEEEEEEEEEEEE*

    • @JarHTML
      @JarHTML Před 6 lety +3

      So true

    • @thesymbiotenation.4552
      @thesymbiotenation.4552 Před 6 lety

      Special 06 WHY ISN'T THE SEGA SCURGE TH WRITER OF SONIC FORCES....

    • @jordansnow1715
      @jordansnow1715 Před 5 lety +1

      Nah you’re wrong buddy. Play the game and shadows story then you’ll find that this theory is very accurate

    • @AmeliaTwee
      @AmeliaTwee Před 5 lety +2

      IM N-NOT WEAK!!
      I AM NOT WEEEEEEAAAAAAAAK

  • @felipeperez4941
    @felipeperez4941 Před 5 lety +8

    BOY OH BOY!!! when the theory sounds WAAAAAAAAAAAAAAY BETTER THEN THE EXECUTION OF THE GAME STORY.

  • @TheBlueBlurSFM
    @TheBlueBlurSFM Před 6 lety +115

    Dude so much makes sense here. You just opened my eyes lol
    Great theory dude.Just hope it's true since it really seems like an awesome idea.

    • @victory1014
      @victory1014 Před 6 lety +1

      Hi blue, what do you think of infinite being blaze?

    • @belmontzar
      @belmontzar Před 6 lety +1

      Victory 101 that's what I'm thinking actually. The custom hero is a friend of Blaze, and from her reality.

    • @Gustavogamer-nt6tt
      @Gustavogamer-nt6tt Před 6 lety +1

      Victory 101 infinite is male/ and onother guy make a theory that infinite is tails

    • @neonsun8164
      @neonsun8164 Před 6 lety +1

      TheBlueBlur - Sonic Animations don't worry Sonic! Light the hedgehog is on your side!

    • @lucylu3342
      @lucylu3342 Před 5 lety +1

      Annnnd infinite is just mad that he was called weak.
      That was it.

  • @thesegascourge
    @thesegascourge  Před 6 lety +742

    "So look around you and tell me what you really see".

    • @baldofwin
      @baldofwin Před 6 lety +50

      The Sega Scourge - 【The Sonic Theorist】 "You live a lie and that's the difference in you and me."

    • @toastdotmp3483
      @toastdotmp3483 Před 6 lety +27

      I have the power, let me show you what it's all about

    • @sonic1shadow1silver
      @sonic1shadow1silver Před 6 lety +10

      I have the power, Let me show you what it's all about

    • @ZoneOutG
      @ZoneOutG Před 6 lety +29

      The Sega Scourge - 【The Sonic Theorist】 "This is an illusion open up your eyes"

    • @knuxuki1013
      @knuxuki1013 Před 6 lety +15

      Chen Azoulay It's only me and you,who is gonna save you now

  • @oceanshaw1972
    @oceanshaw1972 Před 6 lety +64

    This theory for infanite's backstory is better than the in game backstory

  • @Rednax35
    @Rednax35 Před 6 lety +47

    Technically the Phantom Ruby can send object to other Time Periods.
    After Press Garden Zone in Sonic Mania, Eggman uses the Phantom Ruby to send Sonic, Tails, and Knuckles to Stardust Speedway.
    Not just Stardust Speedway, but Stardust Speedway PAST.

    • @reecon1245
      @reecon1245 Před 6 lety +2

      Not the past,the capsules with flowers are still there its just the stardust speedway of the present

    • @numbug1234
      @numbug1234 Před 6 lety +2

      Nah, definitely the past.
      It's green and filled with plant life, just like the OG Past, and the transition from Act 1 to Act 2 has Sonic and/or Tails (or Knuckles) travelling to the future to a golden roadway like the OG Present

  • @vlutot821
    @vlutot821 Před 6 lety +52

    "Before I say goodbye to you one more last fist bump." Maybe Infinite sacrifices himself to destroy the Phantom Ruby? and this video blew my mind.

    • @thesegascourge
      @thesegascourge  Před 6 lety +9

      That's very possible!

    • @mattstat716
      @mattstat716 Před 6 lety +6

      Or he literally fist bumps the ruby and it shatters.
      ._. when's the last time a sonic character got permanently killed?

    • @myungwonbaik1982
      @myungwonbaik1982 Před 6 lety

      mattstat716 you are an A+ human.

    • @Xylluk
      @Xylluk Před 6 lety

      Maybe the custom character performs a sacrifice

    • @shadesoina
      @shadesoina Před 6 lety +1

      OF COURSE! afterall Aron webber did say someone would die in sonic forces! this might actually be legit. xD

  • @SparkyRaichu
    @SparkyRaichu Před 6 lety +4

    [Declines fist bump] Friend: "I'm not saying goodbye to you"
    Phantom Ruby: ...Idiot.

  • @juddylicious4440
    @juddylicious4440 Před 6 lety +94

    Turns out infinite was just bounty hunter who has a grudge towards shadow for kicking his ass 😂

    • @cherryberrybeatz5606
      @cherryberrybeatz5606 Před 6 lety +8

      JUDDY LICIOUS HMGMGNGNGN disappointment

    • @emargaux
      @emargaux Před 6 lety +10

      For kicking his ass *and* killing all of his squad members *and* tarnishing his reputation *overnight* by *one* hedgehog. That's actually a lot to take in.
      Infinite doesn't really focus his entire motivation towards Shadow. If that was the case, he would settle the score one-on-one with him instead of Sonic and the rest of the resistance. Infinite had ambition, and his ambition was only fueled more after seeing Shadow's power.

    • @shadowsnake5133
      @shadowsnake5133 Před 3 lety +6

      @@emargaux okay, but where was it shown shadow killed them? And sure, shadow kicked his ass, but it's shadow, everyone knows that's like fighting sonic, but morally grey, so how would that ruin a reputation outside siding with eggman, which isn't really anyone but his own fault. What you're saying needed to be shown, as that would have made him interesting, but instead, his character arc is explained in 1 level of a dlc, and mostly revolves around his ass being beat, which takes roughly 5 minutes.

    • @Lord_Seraph
      @Lord_Seraph Před 3 lety

      "I'M NOT WEAK! GRAAAAHHHH!!!"
      I'm sorry but you are weak.

    • @borjeholm2510
      @borjeholm2510 Před 3 lety

      SO WRONG YOU AR

  • @bigfellaken86
    @bigfellaken86 Před 6 lety +223

    What a shame, all of the internet created lore was infinte-ly better than what the game provided!
    (Did you like that? What I did there! You liked it! YES! Thank you! I'm here all week people!)

  • @lolyt9286
    @lolyt9286 Před 5 lety +7

    "Who's Infinite?"
    A Jackal.

  • @MetaDHedge28
    @MetaDHedge28 Před 6 lety +8

    Recent info: In the Japanese story trailer, Eggman is seen creating Infinite. Maybe Eggman captures the OC'S best friend and uses him as a lab rat? Anyone agree?

    • @dwightwatae3997
      @dwightwatae3997 Před 6 lety +1

      well,at first me,but,maybe infinite is only giving eggman some power to.....power up another weapon?ok i know i'm stupid but i need to see you countering this.of course it would be easy.but srsly,why would eggman give infinite ONE eye?

    • @Artorias.Fateee
      @Artorias.Fateee Před 6 lety +1

      i

  • @XPool
    @XPool Před 6 lety +26

    I wish this was the actual story

  • @bigm.a.c5176
    @bigm.a.c5176 Před 4 lety +5

    In my mind this is cannon and the "IM NOT WEAK" thing is used for... Character development or something

  • @Imaaaa
    @Imaaaa Před 6 lety +50

    So.... that means... Infinite is an OC, self aware of his ficticional existence because of the phantom ruby? seems legit.

    • @spaceplex5079
      @spaceplex5079 Před 6 lety +2

      Manuchopoop so it is from our world

    • @Imaaaa
      @Imaaaa Před 6 lety +1

      Mind = blown

    • @rockerswak1610
      @rockerswak1610 Před 6 lety

      Manuchopoop do a theory on who is faster sonic or shadow

  • @grudgemonkey6590
    @grudgemonkey6590 Před 6 lety +23

    "Nobody cared who I was before I put on the mask."

  • @shadowthenutjob
    @shadowthenutjob Před 6 lety +11

    Welp. This hurt my soul but as far as I'm concerned this is the storyline. This is what happened, you can't convince me otherwise.

  • @anthonydemeo8675
    @anthonydemeo8675 Před 3 lety +11

    When a fan makes a better story then the developers you know things are wrong.

  • @Lionel10102006
    @Lionel10102006 Před 6 lety +178

    "This mysterious villain has been the Hot Topic..."
    I see what you did there
    Edit: Okay, now that I've finished actually watching the video, this theory has made me even MORE hyped about Forces. This may only be a theory, but this theory has SO MUCH EVIDENCE BACKING IT UP THAT I CAN'T HELP BUT ACTUALLY AGREE WITH IT!! The only problem NOW is...Classic Sonic will probably be the even MORE of an outlier in the story as a result.
    Oh God, please don't tell me Classic Sonic is going to just be the comic relief...

    • @thatoneguy9549
      @thatoneguy9549 Před 6 lety +2

      Keelan Barron Nah, Knuckles seems to be pretty serious right now(as pretty much every other Modern character), so it could very well be that Classic Sonic in Forces is, sadly, just comic relief. I really hope not, though.

    • @RichDXtreme247
      @RichDXtreme247 Před 6 lety

      I doubt that Classic will be the comic relief character since he's pretty much on board with saving the universe stuff, Sonic may be the type of person that can be joking around sometimes but even he knows when shit gets serious that can threaten everything around him.
      He'll probably mess with Eggman probably (Cause that's what he does) but at his most serious is with Infinite.

    • @cosmiceternity2033
      @cosmiceternity2033 Před 6 lety +7

      I don't think he will be. There has to be an explanation as to why he was brought to Modern Sonic's world. I mean, the Phantom Ruby clearly made the decision to take Classic Sonic with it into the portal. If it was able to seperate the Chaos Emeralds from CS, why wouldn't it just shoo him away as well? Especially since it should've been able to see that CS was a clear threat to it. This game has been in development for four years, and with all these little small hints and secret meanings, the story must be pretty big in some way. I can't wait to see what will happen in this game.

    • @thesegascourge
      @thesegascourge  Před 6 lety +2

      I hope not! If anything, Classic now has more reason than Modern Sonic to be trying to bring Infinite down! After all, he's ran into the Phantom Ruby already!

    • @gustini2146
      @gustini2146 Před 6 lety

      Kit Medic you mean dimensions?

  • @santoscarrillo6256
    @santoscarrillo6256 Před 6 lety +39

    I like how in the final boss the timer is inconsistent, because of the ruby.

  • @TheR3DSniper
    @TheR3DSniper Před rokem +7

    I know this isn't canon, but it's a much better story than what we actually got.

  • @djpollo2474
    @djpollo2474 Před 6 lety +8

    Hey something I noticed in the game is that infinite had to make a copy of metal sonic and sonic said why didnt eggman made more of them robots. So this means the sonic scourge's theory of metal sonic being actually sonic, on his theory he said that metal sonic could have been sonic before eggman converting him into metal sonic, so this means metal sonic does have a soul meaning metal sonic may and could actually be sonic but roboticised.

  • @ZainDhananil1k3ab0s5
    @ZainDhananil1k3ab0s5 Před 6 lety +13

    I have an idea of how the Phantom Ruby gained sentience. It's an inanimate object throughout the game but at the end, before it sucks Sonic and itself through a portal, we see it shine and have a glitchy aura. I think the power of the Chaos Emeralds surrounding it gave it sentience, and such it was able to separate them from Sonic. It then used its reality warping powers to create a suitable body, modeled after the one who defeated it.

  • @alexisleve4658
    @alexisleve4658 Před 6 lety +69

    This theory is so cool!

  • @anthonywelch7440
    @anthonywelch7440 Před 6 lety +14

    This theory really got me thinking. Best mind bogling theory ever

  • @KShadow
    @KShadow Před 6 lety +127

    I wish this theory was right...

  • @Supershadowman2001
    @Supershadowman2001 Před 6 lety +51

    Forces is looking to be one of the deepest sonic games from a story and character viewpoint.
    HYYYYYYYYYYYYYYYYYYYYYYYYYYYPED!

    • @chelsea9641
      @chelsea9641 Před 6 lety

      Arcade Adventures Productions HYYYYYYPED AFF CANT WAITTTT!!! let me clam down lol

    • @scientisticthug8454
      @scientisticthug8454 Před 6 lety

      Supershadowman2001 dont get your hopes up

    • @chelsea9641
      @chelsea9641 Před 6 lety

      Scientistic Thug why not?

    • @jasonmerrils9226
      @jasonmerrils9226 Před 6 lety

      Chelsea Because this is just a fan-made theory, so don't get your hopes up if forces will actually have a deep story

    • @ItsB1998
      @ItsB1998 Před 6 lety

      Supershadowman2001 so we got one complete Masterpiece of a game in Sonic Mania and now we got a really good Masterpiece of the game and terms of story with Sonic forces.... Yeah I'd say Sonic is back

  • @shadamyandsonamylover
    @shadamyandsonamylover Před 6 lety +55

    SUCH a good theory!!!!! Oh man I loved it. It was great. Awesome. You have a great camera and radio presence - add that to you're brilliantly thought out theories and it's a win-win. The best possible combination. Sega should hire you to story write their games so that there's a deep and meaningful connection in all of them!

    • @thesegascourge
      @thesegascourge  Před 6 lety +20

      Thank you! And if only, right? Aha

    • @shadamyandsonamylover
      @shadamyandsonamylover Před 6 lety +12

      The Sega Scourge - 【The Sonic Theorist】 ^_^ ;) well at least you can take pride in knowing your fans love your content and that you bring something new and interesting to the community =)

    • @cake3292
      @cake3292 Před 6 lety +1

      You're a Sonamy shipper?

    • @user-zg4bk6rv1q
      @user-zg4bk6rv1q Před 6 lety +1

      Shadamy And Sonamy Lover I'm your sub

    • @shadamyandsonamylover
      @shadamyandsonamylover Před 6 lety

      Ademi Banole and shadAmy =) but yes ^_^ I just think sonic and Amy would be adorable together (mostly from the comics and shows tho).

  • @TheKageichi
    @TheKageichi Před 6 lety +8

    I gotta say its really damn accurate how you got these drawings of an unmasked infinite at the time before the game's release and the release of the comic showing his origin too. It does look exactly how he does in the comics

  • @cofagrigusfan24
    @cofagrigusfan24 Před 4 lety +3

    that perspective thing about reality warping by Infinite & the Phantom Ruby...
    that fits so well with what Tails said about being part of the illusion near the end of Forces

  • @splatooblemier8086
    @splatooblemier8086 Před 6 lety +124

    You pretty much have the same theory on who Infinite is as I do!

    • @lkgaggiero8436
      @lkgaggiero8436 Před 6 lety +3

      Splatoo Blemier Same! I was hoping that other people started talking about it

    • @theentangledwiggler-man2344
      @theentangledwiggler-man2344 Před 6 lety

      Same here.

    • @carvalho3588
      @carvalho3588 Před 6 lety

      Splatoo Blemier same XD

    • @polkadi
      @polkadi Před 6 lety +4

      If the Ruby changed a couple of Egg Robos, who's to say it didn't change some fox/wolf?

    • @IronBearVA
      @IronBearVA Před 6 lety

      Polkadi or hedgehog, being as it sucked them both into the portal.

  • @hubster3055
    @hubster3055 Před 6 lety +92

    Heres a mind blow:
    Infinite is actually...
    A NOIVERN

  • @egglord2029
    @egglord2029 Před 4 lety +3

    Did you forget that the Phantom Ruby was at the same spot where Knuckles hits Super Sonic on Sonic the Hedgehog 3 & Knuckles' Intro

  • @Obelisk-oj4fu
    @Obelisk-oj4fu Před 6 lety +5

    to aid you in your theory here one of the line infinite says is "I remember you from somewhere" as if his friend is acutely trying to fight it but soon the crystal took full control again and changed to as if the crystal was speaking to your oc from the start

  • @Sonicninj
    @Sonicninj Před 6 lety +114

    So....the phantom ruby is basically like the symbiote from spiderman.

    • @charm_wis
      @charm_wis Před 6 lety +4

      Yes lol

    • @blackbluealexv2
      @blackbluealexv2 Před 6 lety +10

      TheSonicNinja And it seems more powerful than the chaos emeralds , maybe sonic will need the super emeralds ?

    • @e-scorts7485
      @e-scorts7485 Před 6 lety +1

      TheSonicNinja sounds like it

    • @justsomeguy07
      @justsomeguy07 Před 6 lety

      alex johnson YES

    • @lisabilby2006
      @lisabilby2006 Před 6 lety +1

      PPPPPFFFFFFFFFFFFFFFFFFFFFFFFF XD HAHA HAHAHAHAHAHAHAHAHAHAHA (long gasp) ahhhhhhhhh
      XD that was hilarious..

  • @RosheenQuynh
    @RosheenQuynh Před 6 lety +38

    A theory that doesn't involve Mephiles, Tails, Blaze, or Custom Hero (or mind control)... *It's like a breath of fresh air.*

    • @thatoneguy9549
      @thatoneguy9549 Před 6 lety +3

      Well no, it does contain the CC, but in an "Okay, makes sense" kind of matter.

    • @RosheenQuynh
      @RosheenQuynh Před 6 lety +4

      True, true... He didn't say Infinite *was* CC, so that's fine xD

  • @DireNemesis
    @DireNemesis Před 6 lety +27

    Who else remembered how Deadpool knows that he is just a character in a comic from this

  • @juddylicious4440
    @juddylicious4440 Před 6 lety +21

    Hey scourge/everyone I have a theory about the connection between shadow and infinite...
    My theory is that shadow is a android version of the original shadow and that infinite is the real shadow that eggman found after sa2 and used the phantom ruby to rewrite his memory and physical form forcing him to want revenge against sonic and bringing back Maria from sa2.
    If you look at the song lyrics you can see why I might believe this and quote only scars remain of who I was.
    Reason 1. Look at where the ruby is placed that's right shadows chest puff.
    2. Look at the messed up quills they look like a old mutated version of shadows quills.
    3. There are similarities between shadows inhibitor rings and the lump under infinites gloves.
    4. Infinite and is so edge
    Please don't shit on this theory as it is just that a theory and I made this up on the spot.
    I hope this got you thinking thanks for reading this.
    Also the reason I think shadow joined him has because infinite said he can make him a real hedgehog and or bring back Maria.

    • @theHatted
      @theHatted Před 6 lety +1

      That is actually really good! You deserve to be pinned!

  • @jimmysequig9978
    @jimmysequig9978 Před 6 lety +6

    Your'e right because infinite is a host. He is being controlled by the phantom gem in his chest.one of the meaning of the song is he can't resist or stop the ruby from taking over his mind

    • @theHatted
      @theHatted Před 6 lety

      Nice. Some of his lyrics are "This pain Persists, I can't Resist".

  • @SoulsOfWisdom
    @SoulsOfWisdom Před 6 lety +5

    The first time I saw the trailer, I noticed there seemed to be a connection between the custom character and infinite. I always felt Infinite's role was in somehow shape or form designed to support the custom character and give him a story. This was before Sonic Mania and that red stone was introduced.

  • @christinafrazier1364
    @christinafrazier1364 Před 5 lety +4

    I still come back to this video, this theory is so good. This story gives Infinite DEPTH. It gives the avatar CHARACTER instead of being some random person that can be swapped out for anyone and purpose instead of being just there and it leaves enough room for the player to insert a personality. It also makes the main villian not some whiny edgelord but the TRUE villian being an inter dimensional eldrich being. Imagine how much better the final boss could have been. Imagine Infinite, tearing out the ruby from his chest, being freed and reunited with the Avatar, only for an eldrich being to form, the phantom ruby’s true form. The avatar and Infinite would work together to defeat it. The being that took away Infinite’s self and forced him to destroy everything. The boss would have all kinds of crazy reality bending tricks and fist bump would be playing as you fight him. It would make the song so much cooler and more meaningful as it would represent two long time friends banding together to defeat the demon that tore them apart and controlled them, in Infinite’s case, instead of two people who’ve known eachother for a week at most. If you could combine it with Infinite’s theme and call it Infinity Fist or something. Just thought it would be vastly better.

  • @ricardosoto8533
    @ricardosoto8533 Před 5 lety +8

    I love infinite ❤️ I just think he is such an amazing enemy, I’m not that much of a sonic fan but when I first saw infinite I was so intrigued by him that eventually became a sonic fan

  • @notzencha
    @notzencha Před 6 lety +23

    i want hyper sonic to return in this, it seems that kind of power might be needed to battle someone who can control reality itself

    • @N0rlight
      @N0rlight Před 6 lety +1

      The Super Emeralds are all broken. He can't go Hyper anymore.

    • @scientisticthug8454
      @scientisticthug8454 Před 6 lety +2

      JOAQUIN HERNANDEZ yes it is

    • @alexpindell4307
      @alexpindell4307 Před 6 lety

      It is canon dumbass

    • @leonduncan3327
      @leonduncan3327 Před 6 lety +1

      Especially since he holds a gem far more powerful than possibly any emeralds, but i do have to say more powerful than a Chaos Emerald...

    • @notzencha
      @notzencha Před 6 lety

      Norlight but the master emerald can make the chaos emeralds into super emeralds temporarily

  • @BulletBillSoilder
    @BulletBillSoilder Před 6 lety +9

    "We are, the Eggman Gems, we'll always ruin the day, and if you think we can't, we'll do it anyways, that is why this world fears...Shadow, Chaos Zavok, and Metal Sonic and Infinite..."

    • @AlternativeShae
      @AlternativeShae Před 6 lety +1

      *WEEEEEEEEEEEEEE ARE TEH CRYSTAL GEMSSSSSSSSSSSSSSSSSSSSSSSSSSSSSSSSSSSSSSSS*

  • @Bugaboo8
    @Bugaboo8 Před 2 lety +7

    When a fan writes a better backstory than the developers.

  • @ceoofceos5219
    @ceoofceos5219 Před 6 lety +10

    I WAS WRONG, YOU WERE WRONG
    WE ALL WERE WRONG!!!!!!!!
    ; _ ; SONIC TEAM Y U DO DISS?

    • @housemouseshorts
      @housemouseshorts Před 6 lety

      becouse they scraped infentes entire story last moment.
      They created episode shadow after the fact. As they ran out of time and had to explain it away. I have a theory that is the reason. the screen shot of infente in the glitch matrix is not used anywhere in game. As im assumeing that was supose to be the final battle. Likely takeing place after the avatar uses the ruby to destroy the false sun. another theory is in the scraped story-line he was suppose to be the avatar from a reality created when he picked up the phantom ruby. This was likely going to be reveled after said false sun level and boss fight. The "prototypes" where not suppose to have exited and where tacked on last moment as well.

  • @jaredlopez4162
    @jaredlopez4162 Před 6 lety +41

    ᶠᵘᶰ ᶦˢ ᴵᶰᶠᶦᶰᶦᵗᵉ

  • @Jhayzt19
    @Jhayzt19 Před 6 lety +3

    Imagine a Sega employee watching this vid.
    *after watching*
    Employee: "Sh!t. He nailed it."

  • @Vaehlo
    @Vaehlo Před 6 lety +2

    *Mal's voice*
    "If ooonly.."

  • @hfactor66
    @hfactor66 Před 6 lety +12

    Man, coming back to this video after having played Forces just makes me angry now, cuz as many have said already, this would have been way better than what we actually got. I feel like there was so much wasted potential with Infinite.

  • @FullmetalSonic260
    @FullmetalSonic260 Před 6 lety +3

    This theory was a lot more eye-opening than I was expecting and it does make a lot of sense. Now, I'm interested in how Sonic Team will handle Infinite and the plot of the game itself. :)

  • @ThatHeatedBread
    @ThatHeatedBread Před 6 lety +167

    Infinite is DeviantArt confirmed "Sonic Forces: Rise of DeviantArt"

    • @neonflow476
      @neonflow476 Před 6 lety +5

      Toasty edgy

    • @lexcelius6921
      @lexcelius6921 Před 6 lety +2

      Toasty sonic will once again be the front page of deviantart.

    • @fink_rat
      @fink_rat Před 6 lety +4

      There's another infinite power, *DeviantArt power*

    • @shihanana
      @shihanana Před 6 lety +1

      *Seriously, why do I see you everywhere Toasty?!*

    • @ThatHeatedBread
      @ThatHeatedBread Před 6 lety +1

      Because I am everywhere Razer-chan

  • @aarkrider
    @aarkrider Před 6 lety +6

    Nor is it a Time Stone (coughs) GameXplain. XD

  • @Shugenja
    @Shugenja Před 6 lety +21

    Is it wrong that I like your theory about the story more than the actual story we got in sonic forces?

  • @amanshergill3473
    @amanshergill3473 Před 6 lety +50

    Hey Scrouge u missed a lyric from infinite's theme
    "This is an illusion, open up your eyes and..." could that help with your theory with him being self aware and stuff?

    • @FlareStorms
      @FlareStorms Před 6 lety

      The Sonic Scrooge

    • @SomaCruztheDemigodofBalance
      @SomaCruztheDemigodofBalance Před 6 lety

      Infinite himself is an Illusion created by the Phantom Ruby. Irony. Cutscene leakage confirms this. Infinite is not a living character at all.

  • @Riley-po2rb
    @Riley-po2rb Před 6 lety +15

    Best forces theory so far! I'm glad you waited for enough evidence

  • @ShaunTheOneAndOnly
    @ShaunTheOneAndOnly Před 6 lety +4

    "What we find in the ashes, you'll lose in the fire!" More proof that infinite can manipulate the game.

  • @leongashwig
    @leongashwig Před 6 lety +4

    just imagine how much better the story would be if that theory was true

    • @leongashwig
      @leongashwig Před 6 lety

      4th wall breaks, but no, instead infinite just
      *SPOILER*
      disappeared, after his last fight he just fled, nowhere to be seen again

    • @special0629
      @special0629 Před 6 lety +5

      死神Blackyy It actually saddens me. Even the lyrics in infinite's theme matches everything in this theory.

  • @mutationkorno2400
    @mutationkorno2400 Před 6 lety +34

    Let's not forget "It's all an illusion, open up your eyes"
    What if it's sonic's dream? Or chroma?

    • @uberman64
      @uberman64 Před 6 lety

      or is it US that is having an illusion? What if our entire lives is actually an empty void, just giving us images of what life COULD look like, but not?

    • @jace6823
      @jace6823 Před 6 lety

      THIS IS HAPPENING my head hurts

    • @uberman64
      @uberman64 Před 6 lety

      Oh shoot, waddup?

    • @cbonde101
      @cbonde101 Před 6 lety +4

      Sonic is living his worst nightmare: Eggman taking over the world.

    • @uberman64
      @uberman64 Před 6 lety

      IKR

  • @Tychoootje
    @Tychoootje Před 6 lety +7

    "Some minor spoilers for Sonic Mania's plotline follow"
    Shows game ending

    • @thesegascourge
      @thesegascourge  Před 6 lety

      The game's been out for over two weeks now, ok!? x'D

    • @Tychoootje
      @Tychoootje Před 6 lety

      The Sega Scourge - 【The Sonic Theorist】 Yea I know lol. But the thing is, not everyone has gotten the good ending yet. And some don't even get the chance to get the rest of the Chaos Emeralds because of school (cough cough me cough)

  • @jordansnow1715
    @jordansnow1715 Před 5 lety

    You really hit the nail on the head with this one mate. Good job. You were 💯% right

  • @soniclegofan101
    @soniclegofan101 Před 6 lety +1

    "I was born in this pain
    It only hurts if you let it."

  • @joseuriostegui9018
    @joseuriostegui9018 Před 6 lety +8

    This is an interesting theory about Infinite, keep up the great work :)

  • @RednekGamurz
    @RednekGamurz Před 6 lety +3

    I was thinking a lot of these things, but I never thought of Infinite being the avatar's friend. It makes a ton of sense when you explained it, and I'd be shocked if it wasn't the case. This theory is fantastic, probably your best one yet. I was a little skeptical of how LT would be implemented in your theory videos, but I'm glad he doesn't distract from the overall theory. Good stuff, Scourge.

  • @hot_tubbproductions8636
    @hot_tubbproductions8636 Před 6 lety +9

    Now that the game is out. Time for another explanation. Infinite is created by eggman and is used as a task force. as Shadow infiltrates the doctors facility, Infinites squadron fails to end shadow and maked Infinite do the work, but is badly overpowered by Shadow. So in Infinites rage he creates his mask and finds the Phantom ruby, knowing of yhe power surge it gives off he takes a shard of it for himself and creates a copy of it. Now as Scourge sayd, Shadow is on team dark (not quite) Infinite does not posses mind control. Infinite has the abillity to copy and re program his own army out of what he was programed by Eggman to know. which is all of sonics past. Thats how he created the copies of all of sonics ex foes. As seen later on in the game, Shadow fights infinites clone of Shadow. Silver the hedgehog takes on infinite and puts up a fairly good fight, as does shadow. Sonic does not because Sonics speed is no match for Infinites abillity to bed reality. Silver and Shadow can manipulate abilities stronger than Sonic. thats why at a time they were all rivals.

  • @Eggsrancheros
    @Eggsrancheros Před 6 lety +22

    I kindve like the theory that alternate​ version of tails is infinite

  • @supersonic688
    @supersonic688 Před 6 lety +8

    This video is absolutley genius.

  • @Shadic1700
    @Shadic1700 Před 6 lety +45

    lol scourge what u said at the end was cheesy af

    • @thesegascourge
      @thesegascourge  Před 6 lety +14

      I'm just a big cheeseball, I can't help it xD

    • @nicksterpick
      @nicksterpick Před 6 lety +4

      Thats why we all like you XD

    • @Shadic1700
      @Shadic1700 Před 6 lety +1

      lol it was still a really good video tho

    • @mrleg4461
      @mrleg4461 Před 5 lety

      and whats wrong with that

  • @mageclassicxyz1189
    @mageclassicxyz1189 Před 6 lety +8

    I love this theory but it’s sad that this is not how the game has it. Amazingly great theory though!

  • @zalternative1
    @zalternative1 Před 6 lety

    This video game theory is much more quality than game theory!
    Keep it up, mate!

  • @classicmariposazul
    @classicmariposazul Před 6 lety +12

    OMAIGAAADDDD 11:39
    WHAT IS DOING MY OWN DRAWING OF INFINITE HERE?!?!?!?!?!?

    • @N0rlight
      @N0rlight Před 6 lety +1

      That's pure awesome! XD It's that good.

    • @classicmariposazul
      @classicmariposazul Před 6 lety

      Norlight hahaha yeah! I didnt have idea this would happen. I am a true fan about Infinite pfff Scourge noticed me cause, I follow his channel and I like his theories

    • @thesegascourge
      @thesegascourge  Před 6 lety +1

      Your art is amazin', I just had to put it in! :'D

    • @classicmariposazul
      @classicmariposazul Před 6 lety

      The Sega Scourge - 【The Sonic Theorist】 ooooh! Thanks so much for this!! I really appreciate it!

    • @Waitochan
      @Waitochan Před 6 lety +1

      Lucky? XD

  • @sxniic5883
    @sxniic5883 Před 6 lety +7

    You deserve more than 10k subs,
    You're such a good theorist!
    Keep up the great work!

    • @thesegascourge
      @thesegascourge  Před 6 lety +3

      You're too kind, glad you enjoyed the video, and thank you ^_^

  • @jadenballiett470
    @jadenballiett470 Před 6 lety +1

    This makes so much sense!! The first time you fight Infinite, he doesn't go all out like he did while fighting Sonic for the first time. And when the fight is over, he let's you go! That makes so much sense!!

  • @juniorfan2560
    @juniorfan2560 Před 6 lety +2

    16:24 we know now that he wanted to fight him

  • @chaoticdreemurr9861
    @chaoticdreemurr9861 Před 6 lety +4

    Although you were wrong, you story was waaaaaay better then the official one

  • @speedkingracer5623
    @speedkingracer5623 Před 6 lety +42

    Awesome Theory! I 100% Agree.👍

    • @bedheadgaming5322
      @bedheadgaming5322 Před 6 lety

      INFINITE SPEED KING RACER like my comment if you like infinite

  • @k1w117
    @k1w117 Před 6 lety +2

    We know he is not Weak.

  • @RoseCadenza
    @RoseCadenza Před 6 lety +1

    Your theories are awesome. I like hearing other people theories and opinions on Sonic topics. I even like commenting my theories. But you're a master at theories. Your theories go deep (and I mean you put a lot of precision into it) which is really cool. You just earned yourself a sub!