Who Did It Better? - Starguard vs Rose Royce (1977/1976)
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- čas přidán 8. 03. 2019
- Get the Soul Train Line together, Reelblack Family. It's time to judge two notorious Funk Bombs from classic Richard Pryor movies of the 70s.
Grammy-winning. producer Norman Whitfield is responsible for writing and producing the theme songs tw two Richard Pryor movies directed by Michael Schultz. Them From Which Way Is Up? (1977) by Starguard and Theme from Car Wash (1976) by Rose Royce. Listen to both and leave your reaction in the comments section below.
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Norman Whitfield (born May 12th, 1940, in Harlem/New York - died September 16th, 2008, in Los Angeles) was an American songwriter and producer, best known for his work with Berry Gordy's Motown label during the 1960s.
He is credited as being one of the creators of the Motown Sound, as well as one of the major instrumental figues in the late-60s sub-genre of psychedelic soul.
Stargard consisted of members being Rochelle Runnells, Debra Anderson, and Janice Williams. The vocal trio issued the "Theme Song from 'Which Way Is Up'" for the soundtrack of the 1977 feature film Which Way Is Up?. The Norman Whitfield penned track also came upon Stargard's 1978 self-titled debut album for MCA Records. The album rose to numbers 12 & 26 upon the Top R&B Albums and Billboard 200 charts respectively.[2][3] As a single 'Which Way Is Up' rose to numbers 1, 12 & 21 upon the Billboard Hot R&B Songs, Dance Club Songs and Hot 100 charts respectively. Which Way Is Up also got to No. 19 upon the UK Singles chart.[4][5][6][7]
During 1978 Stargard released their sophomore album entitled What You Waitin' For. Off of this album its title track went on to be a Top 10 R&B hit. The group then switched to Warner Bros. Records upon which their third LP The Changing Of The Gard was issued in 1979. The album cut "Wear It Out" was co-produced by Verdine White of Earth, Wind, & Fire. As a single Wear It Out rose to no. 4 upon the Billboard Dance Club Songs chart. Stargard also lent background vocals to Junior Walker's 1979 album Back Street Boogie. [8][9][1]
Anderson went on to leave Stargard shortly after The Changing of the Gard's issue. With now only Williams and Runnells in tow the band released their Whitfield produced fourth album entitled Back 2 Back in 1980.[1] They thereafter returned to MCA upon which their fifth LP Nine Lives was issued in 1982. Stargard appeared as 'the Diamonds' in Michael Schultz's 1978 film Sgt. Pepper's Lonely Hearts Club Band.
Rose Royce is an American soul and R&B group. They are best known for several hit singles during the 1970s including "Car Wash", "I Wanna Get Next to You", "I'm Going Down", "Wishing on a Star", and "Love Don't Live Here Anymore".
The Los Angeles-based group comprised Gwen Dickey (vocals), Henry Garner (drums), Terral "Terry" Santiel (congas), Lequeint "Duke" Jobe (bass), Michael Moore (saxophone), Kenny Copeland (trumpet, lead vocals), Kenji Brown (guitar, lead vocals), Freddie Dunn (trumpet), and Victor Nix (keyboards). The group began in the early 1970s, when members of several backup bands from the Watts and Inglewood areas of Los Angeles united under the name Total Concept Unlimited. In 1973, this collective toured England and Japan behind Motown soul star Edwin Starr. Starr introduced them to Norman Whitfield, Motown's 'psychedelic shaman' who was responsible for bringing a progressive funk-rock slant to the company, via such productions as Starr's "War", The Undisputed Truth's "Smiling Faces Sometimes" and The Temptations' "Papa Was A Rolling Stone".
Whitfield, after a decade at Motown, wanted to start a company of his own. He took the T.C.U. octet under his wing and signed them to his label.
During this time Whitfield was contacted by film director Michael Schultz, fresh from the success of his first feature, Cooley High. Schultz offered Whitfield the opportunity to score his next picture, Car Wash. Whitfield would utilize the film to launch his new group, and began composing music based on script outlines. He and the band visited the film set, soaking up the atmosphere. This was one of the rare instances in Hollywood in which the music was composed concurrently with the picture instead of after the fact. In the spirit of the soundtrack, the band's name was changed one final time to 'Rose Royce'. The name not only referenced the movie's automotive theme, but it also placed Gwen "Rose" Dickey front and center. Further, it hinted at a touch of class the band strove to bring to 1970s soul-funk.
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Both are written and produced by Norman Whitfield. He wins!
For me one doesn't cancel the other..
They're both equally fire 🔥
Loved both song and both movies. As a little girl I thought I was Gwen Dickey, like a little kid thinks they are a super hero.
Because it's the same people with a different name!
@@lonniedobbins Stargard is three women, Rose Royce is one woman and nine men.
I agree, both are Fire! Love both groups, songs, & movies!
Rose Royce nothing beats CarWash 👏👏👏👏👏👏👏👏👏👏👏👏👏👍🏼👍🏼👍🏼👍🏼👍🏼👍🏼
THE whole CAR WASH ALBUM IS 🔥🔥🔥🔥🔥.
Classic MOVIES...TIE.💖
They both speak to my soul as a Black man. In fact, they reinforce my Blackness. They take me back to the funky funky 70s when we had a whole lotta soul on display for all the world to see.
YES INDEED!!
I miss the 70’s 💕
@@jacquelinesmith9450 YES INDEED!! WE HAD GREAT 🎵 🎶 MUSIC!!
@@jacquelinesmith9450 THEY WAS THE BEST TIMES JACQUELINE!! 😊🎶🎤🎶🎤🎶👍👍👍
What happened to all the awesome funk!!!
These songs both win as they were both written and produced by Noman Whitfield. He was the true sound man of a lot of music in the 70's from Motown and lots of other companies.
BOTH groups did a beautiful, funky, soulful job.
I have never heard of Stargard but I love Rose Royce. I have to agree with the person that said,”The whole ‘Car Wash’ album is fire 🔥
Amazed at the funk on both tracks when I was a teen!!!
same band...so based on vocals...I'm givin' it to Rose Royce
Stargard funkier I'm a funk head
Not the same band - Starguard's band has members of Sly and the Family Stone, possibly Sly too, in it! Read Cynthia Robinson's bio: en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Cynthia_Robinson
Gosh....I didn’t realize they were two different bands...I thought it was a remake by the same band. I love both, but really like the disco beat of Starguard’s version.
@@jdupree4016 No, check the timeline. Cynthia Robinson only did session work on Stargard's 1981 album “Back 2 Back" as a hired gun. For this, their first single, Norman Whitfield tapped on his literal in-house band (they were actually living with him at the time), the players from Rose Royce, to provide all the instrumentation. So, for all intents and purposes, they were the same band (musicians) with the trio (Stargard) on vocals. ;-)
I purchased "Car Wash" the album...💿! It was great! 👍✨🌟💫 Both of these songs bring back good memories! Thank you! 💕💓💕😊
I'm sitting here bopping to both lol
Equally Groovy ! Right on ! Right on ! ✊🌟🌼
That iconic clap along...
The Royce. Shhhhh☝no back talk
I didn't even have to listen to the other one NO DISRESPECT INTENDED.
Norman Whitfield and Richard Pryor at their finest!
Peace and R.I.P To the genious Mr. Norman Whitfield. Born in Harlem , NY but raised in the Motor City , I love both.
Ok, Stargard’s version is funky af and I love it! Blaxploitation flicks would always have alternate versions of a popular song, I thought so 🤷🏽♀️🤷🏽♀️
Starguard so soulful, funky, sexy and the background singers are putting it down such an underappreciated song . but i luv Rose Royce almost as much. 2 great great songs
Well they both made me climb out of my bedroom window to get to the club called Disco jungle Lower Hutt Wellington New Zealand 1978 great memories
Rose Royce absolutely no question
My thoughts exactly
Love BOTH, equally! Funkiest beats, songs, & fun Classic movies from back in the day!
Both are good, but Which Way Is Up gets you moving quicker.
Both are a varied take on a similar composition of music. Hey, They both did the Thang! Dig that!
Love Stargard, but Rose Royce don't play around. Best 70's soundtrack after Shaft, Super Fly and The Mack.
Wow never knew but Rose Royce is my favorite.
Being that I grew up around about these times I can say the record did what it did for that year, because Disco was coming at its highest point when car Wash came out, it was like your first visual movie video with music you know like Saturday night fever some s*** like that.. forgiven the time. These records came out they were good for that year so I'm going to call it a top because if the both Good records to phenomenal groups a blast from the past baby can you dig it 👏👏
It was a tie for me.... Yes, even after repeating!!
Rose Royce
HANDS DOWN.... "ROSE ROYCE" ! 🚙🚘🚓🚕🚗🚙🚘🎶🎶🎶🎶🎶🎶👍👍👍
Stargard got a raw funk feel ...... Rose Royce has more of a disco sound, I'll go Stargard
Difficult but I'm going with Stargard.🎶🔥🔥🌟
TIE💝 Takin' me back to the days of bell bottoms, platforms, afro picks, skating rinks, disco's etc. 👌🏾✌🏾
I love both song and it's my favorite at all time and i love this it
OMG i haven't heard these song since childhood thanks for posting these songs I'm enjoying them bring back happy times souk trian background BBQ dance challenge and much more love the movies related to these two ❤
I had both singles in my teens, but which way is up is sooooo F U N K Y !!! record would finish and I would start it again over and over.
The soul clap intro by Rolls Royce!
Wow!! Brings back memories! This was a favorite song when I was a child back in the day! Bellbottoms! & disco!
Both of the songs were good & both of the movies to these soundtracks were so funny.
It hard too choose!
Both versions or excellence.
I LIKE THEM BOTH
4 me,I'd go with stargard....although rose-royces version classic
⭐👑 Stargard 👑⭐
I love them both!!
Car Wash ✨ Thanks Mike
Yawl ain't giving me no anxiety attack. I like them both. My story and sticking to it. Yessss!!🔥🔥🔥🎵🎼🎶
Car Wash definitely is a Major CLASSIC and still makes you want to Dance when you hear it...Verdict CAR WASH
Oooh! They're both funky! I love it! Howeverrrr, I hear more bass in the Rose Royce rendition and I'm a bass-head so they have the edge.
Richard Pryor movies!! Both songs were great...Rose Royce f'd up the game with that clap!! Car wash wins!!!
you can't choose because they are both great....Thy don't make music like this anymore, and there is no talent out there like these performers.....Hands down....
Rolls Royce with Car Wash made the movie popular. .........Rolls Royce!!!
Which Way Is Up, Especially The Long Version,Theirs a 12 inch version thats very rare and hard to find,I got my version from this old website called Lime wire
Limewire. The Facebook of Napster.
The extended version has two different drummers, James Gadson and myself, Jimi Valdez, I was Normans studio drummer for three years playing for everybody, even Rose Royce.
I got to go with them both they both classes without a doubt
Starguard, because I bop every time I hear it. I like Car Wash, but it's more commercial. Have to admit at first I thought Rose Royce sang Which Way Up.
RR-did it greater because the visionary behind it was the legend NORMAN WHITFIELD.
Love which way is up BUUUUUUUUTTTTTT CAR WASH THE SOUND TRACK BY ROSE ROYCE IS A MF'ING CLASSIC!!!!
Very, very, very, close. Slight edge to Rose Royce. The movie made the difference. Car Wash is a classic that you never get tired of watching
Both are classics, but that Car Wash beat is a beast.....that soul clap and overall musicality. ✊🏽
Always thought Which Way Is Up was more jackin.
Both did that song really good
Car Wash has the edge hands down. I remember the location of the car wash used in the movie it was near Lafayette park in midtown LA. Good times and good music in that movie.
I'll go with Rolls Royce, they put a little more polish on their version; Stargard, with all due respect, actually sounds as though their imitating the RR version.
Maybe because both songs were written by Norman Whitfield.
C'mon y'all car wash is just a song to compare something too it's a frickin iconic classic my kids knew about the car wash back in the 90s
reminds me of dancing and jack percels.
Rose Royce got this!! breakdown: ( hey get your car today)!!
Okay for one all the other "who did better" videos showcase two artists doing the same song but in this case neither are doing the same they're both doing different songs. This doesn't really count nor has any real significance because both artists and songs are equally great and stand on their own merit.
I can't decide. Both is Str8 fire!
rose royce ...the music is really the difference and Im a huge fan of the movie which way is up its the story of my life
Car Wash because it has more of a upbeat, party vibe. The movie had alot of iconic scenes. Except for the Bill Duke scene, it was a lighter hearted movie by comparison.
Which Way Was Up? The movie & therefore the song was heavier in tone, more existential. Which actually fits Pryor bc he his comedy was often like that.
It helps that Im more familiar with Rolls Royce. 👍
These are power rings for both fist✊🏿✊🏿..both for the win.
Heck, first time I've heard stargard and I love it. Car wash was part of family record collection in fact when I emigrated to LA 1978. I Love dancing to it. Difficult, need more time
Car wash lol 💙
Rose Royce..can you dig it.
STARGARD - WHICH WAY IS UP - PERSONNEL:
Bass - Joe Brown*, Lequeint Jobe*, Mark Kenoly, Tiaz Palmer
Clavinet, Organ - Walter Downing
Congas - Terral Santiel
Design - Norman Moore
Drums - James Gadson, Jimmy Valdez
Engineer [Mastering] - Mark Davis (2)
Engineer [Recording] - Leanard Jackson, Sergio Reyes*, Steve Maslow, Steve Smith (7)
Guitar - Isy Martin, Kenji Brown, Melvin " Wa Wa" Ragin*
Performer, Vocals [Uncredited] - Debra Anderson, Janice Williams, Rochelle Runnells
Photography By - Jennifer Griffiths
Piano - Dean Gant, Michael Nash, Sonny Burke (2), Victor Nix, Walter Downing
Producer, Arranged By, Mastered By, Engineer - Mark Davis (2)
Saxophone - Michael Moore (3)
Synthesizer [Arp] - Michael Nash
Tambourine - Jack Ashford
Trumpet - Fred Dunn*, Kenny Copeland
ROSE ROYCE - CAR WASH - PERSONNEL:
Bass - Lequeint "Duke" Jobe
Composed By, Producer, Engineer [Recording] - Norman Whitfield
Congas - Terry Santiel*
Directed By [Orchestra Direction] - Paul Riser
Drums - Henry Garner
Engineer [Recording] - Baker Bigsby, Cal Harris, Leanard Jackson
Engineer [Recording], Coordinator [Album] - Clay McMurray
Featuring - Richard Pryor
Featuring, Vocals - The Pointer Sisters*
Guitar - Kenji Brown, Melvin "Wah Wah" Ragin*
Keyboards - Ben Wilber, Mark Davis (2), Victor Nix
Performer [Songs Performed By] - Rose Royce
Saxophone - Michael Moore (3)
Trumpet - Freddie Dunn, Kenny Copeland
Vocals - Gwen "Rose" Dickey*
It has the early sounds of the great POINTER SISTERS
This is an unfair question since it's comparing two different songs
Keith Judon I agree
Rose Royce Hands-down 🕺🏼💃🏻🕺🏼💃🏻🔥🔥🔥🔥
I Love theme both
Both! Superb Classics✨✨
I knew that song was in a Richard Pryor movie...forgot about it...
The violins and funky guitar intro and lyrics cmon got to be Rose Royce
Liked both versions, but Rose Royce gets my vote.
Both are Jamms ❤️🖤💚☮️✊🏾
Rose royce hand down
Car Wash is synonymous with Rolls Royce, not to mention that slap bass piece
Now this is a good one. Which Way Is Up is funky, danceable and just hot and I love it, but Car Wash is the classic. Got to go with Car Wash on this one.
As a musician, I listen for sounds.
The sound missing from most music now are the horns, Good Guitar, Funky Drum Solos and Beats.
Starguard have another version that's much better than the one played here or the EQ is so bad that a lot of sound is cut off. I didn't hear the triplets of the guitar.
I played the drums on the party extended version next to James Gadson from the solo out o Which way is up. There was a remix after the release, I also played for Rose Royce as well and Undisputed Truth, I was Normans studio drummer that played for another group of his, by the name of Mammatapee, my name is Jimi Valdez.
Nope sorry, whenever you have a universally recognized intro like Car Wash, you know you've got an instant classic!
Starguard. Hands down
Both were equally funky , fun and fresh . Starguard should've became more popular than they were . I feel a better comparison should be Rose Royces' version vs. Cristina Aguilera's version of Car Wash .
I’m driving my Rose Royce through the Carwash 😉
Starguard,Rose Royce had more hits. They Both sounds good.
You just got a new sub. Your channel is amazing
That walk down on the bass in the intro is the thing that separates them. Stargard were ok. But Rose Royce had that disco funk working.
I love both jams. I think the question is which song made for the Movies Which Way Is Up & Car Wash was better. I have to give it to Car Wash. Both go hand in hand with the Movie. Car Wash was a bigger hit to.
Car Wash will always remind me of my first tax paying job...McDonald's..1977...
Car Wash❤
I like the vocals on Rose Royce a little better. But Startgard comes in mighty close.
Both sounds real good I feel like dancing
Star Guard that funky voice box that’s funny guitar background vocals and a longer and groove sound Like Richard Pryor said in the movie I’m down on my ass there’s only one way to go he Found which way is up And got to step in And that favorite walk Showing is still bowls
Rose Royce. Never knew this was a remake. That's how it's done!