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How many pounds do you shoot??? - Do pounds really matter? Traditional Archery - Longbow and Recurve
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- čas přidán 10. 01. 2020
- In this video we are talking about pounds, drawlenght, and speed. What does it help to shoot a 64 pounds longbow, when a 53 pounds recurve is just as fast?
Bodnik Mohawk recurve 53# at 27" with an 567 grain arrow at: 01:40
Falco Force 64# at 27" with an 567 grain arrow at: 03:56
Border Mosstrooper 50# at 27" with an 567 grain arrow at: 08:02
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Good topic Peter.
I love my borders. This shows that a heavier bow doesn't always out perform a lighter bow. Bow weight is only what is on your fingers and not the energy transferred to the arrow.
My dad has killed boar with a 37# @26" border with a well tuned arrow he had pass throghs on all 3.
Brian Richards exactly!
Lbs do matter. Nobody can deny simple physics. Similar bows with different lbs shot by same person inevitably will show better results towards "heavier" bow. That's exactly the reason in some countries bow hunting regulations forbid using underpowered bows and crossbows.
But when is a bow underpowered? If you with the same arrow shoot the same speed with a 40 pound at 30 insches, as you do with a 60 pounds at 26 inches. Is the 40 pounder then underpowered?
@@peterjuulsgaard I assumed the same configuration with difference in lbs only. Otherwise we simply comparing apples to oranges and discussion has no sense. The bow is underpowered when the arrow shot is unable to reach certain kinetic energy, which in turn comprise of too many factors in both bow-arrow type/construction and person's skill.
Alex Gempfer we are having the same opinion here! I made this video to create focus on pounds and the fact that folks always talks about pounds. You never heir folks ask: How many pounds is enough for hunting this and that, if my drawlenght is so and so? We Never heir folks ask that question! It’s always pounds pounds and pounds. Let’s talk about laws and requirements for hunting. I haven’t heard about a minimum drawweight requirement forexamble 40 pound. If you are pulling 29” or 45 pounds if you are pulling 28” . So Thats why I made this video. Here in Denmark the requirements is a surtain amount of Joule’s, actually 40 joules for roe deer. So here a 40 pound bow can be just as efficient as a 60 pounder. As long as They deliver the 40 joules on the arrow.
I’m currently at 300 lb. my Doctor says if I get down to 220 lb. I’ll be a lot faster. Nice video.
Dude you killing me you fatneck 😂😂😂😂
I’m new to archery and this comment has confused the shit outta me lol
@@gendoll5006 he is talking about his actual wait lol he is joking around
Your countless hours of filming and editing are not going unnoticed. Please keep up the hard work Brother 👍
Thank you sir!
@@peterjuulsgaard
Maybe if you put some sort of ring on the arrow so that it would contact the bow at full draw, so that you get the same draw length on each bow?
You don´t need to underestimate me! just saying...
His form is so good he gets the same speed almost every time! Great archer.
As my Uncle Martin said, back in 1957, When he took me on my 1st bow hunt .." it's not the weight, nor the draw, or the tackle, it's the shooter and how well They stay consistent in their form.. The results all come down to 3 things : breathing, form consistency, n the amount of practice one puts in ! Then .. Your harvest will be a good one!" All of the years later ... Those wisdom of Uncle have stood true! Thanks for sharing!
Grey Wolf that’s some cool uncle and great words from his
To fossil fountain:Sorry, been a while, however, yes... It was a good time with my Uncle Martin always! He shared much of his " woods" knowledge n that has allowed me to share with others all of these many decades .... I feel the most alive, When in the forest! Thanks for sharing! N the kind comments!
The bows efficiency outweighs the poundage every time . There are a lot of variables that go into making an arrow fly fast . Great video Peter . Your draw and release are very consistent, makes me jealous !
Jason percy Thanks, man
Totally agree, materials will make a huge difference. Each material will rebound or regain shape at a different rate so a material meant to be stiffer and give a higher draw weight may not rebound as quickly and not have as much speed.
Very informative test Peter! Although I think what's more impressive is the fact that your shooting form is so consistent that you hit the exact same speed three times in a row with each bow.
Thanks! I’m using the feather to nose technique, which make me draw the same lenght every time.
Best archery video I've seen!!!!! Easy to follow, easy to understand, easy to watch and extremely informative. Nice
j mott Thank you sir🙏
Wow, that is counterintuitive. Thanks for posting this video, Peter, you've got a new subscriber. I'm an old guy, 62, hopefully I have enough years left that I can learn some more!
Thanks! your welcome
Eh, what did you think the curvy bits on a recurve are for? Efficiency. Transferring more of your work to the arrow. But I don't shoot traditional to make my life easy, I shoot traditional to make my life more pleasant, and my longbow is way prettier than my recurves.
Alot of folks think’s that pounds is the only factor for speed and power. They actually think it so much, that they are basing their bowhunting law’s on pounds only in several country’s. So no wonder that many archers don’t know better. The longbows delivers plenty of energy too, but that’s not what this is about
@@peterjuulsgaard I don't think any law was written with the belief that draw weight is the only thing that matters for killing effectiveness. I think the laws are based on draw weights because it's way easier to enforce, only carrying around a small draw scale, than an arrow scale plus a chronograph, to calculate energy.
Yes I think you are right! But a rule of a thumb says that you get about 10 fps pr inch of drawlenght, at the same poundage on the fingers. So you’ll get around 30 fps more with 40 pounds at 29 inches, than with 40 pounds at 26 inches. That’s some difference. But both are legal in a country with minimum 40 pounds for deer hunting.
Had a longbow for a while which was 47lbs at 31 inch. I switched to a 40lbs recurve at 31 inch and it was noticeable faster, by me and everyone I shoot with. Amazing how a little curve can make such a huge difference.
Exactly
Not really a good comparison. Recurve bows are inheritantly faster.
And then the super recurve shape is to a conventional recurve, what the recurve is to a long bow. Boarder bows are amazing, and I would love to own one someday, but until then I’m going to have to be content shooting the 10 vintage recurves I can buy for the cost of one Covert Hunter.
Maybe one day I'll sell the collection and invest in an high tech wonderbow, but I'm not sure I'd be having as much fun!
Great points! The great organization PBS for years had a minimum draw weight of 50# to be a member. I always felt that this was an archaic rule and random. Your video proves my argument.
Peter: Thank You! I really enjoyed that considering I shoot 49 lbs with a 27" drawand a modern hybrid it is very relative to me. Your consistancy on draw is impressive.
Frank Graydon Thank you sir
Peter, you nailed it!
I have made the experience, that traditional archers act like they are competing or comparing their dicks regarding their draw weight.. I am glad to follow your content
Thanks! I appreciate it🙏
185 pound crossbow. 500 grain arrow. 387 feet per second. All because I've had two rotator cuff surgeries on the same shoulder. I miss longbows, recurves and compound bows. Great video 👍
It's a very good archery lesson. More than the weight is the geometry and the speed of your bow that impells more speed to your arrow. Thanks Peter!
Yes sir!
Wow, the finish with 190fps really blew me away! Great video, nicely done test!
Thanks for watching
It all comes down to the amount of energy stored into the bows limbs. That is the reason why they use a minimum draw weight because they aren't regulating who shoots which bow. Great video!!
Great video Peter. What I have been preaching ever since I started making and hunting with bows. A lighter draw super efficient bow is all that is needed. Will be able to enjoy shooting it for many years and your joints will thank you for it. Of course with the proper arrow design and someone skilled enough to send it to the spot needed is where the task is completed. 👊
Yes sir!
Oh, yes friend. Your teaching lesson is benefiting me, too because I am bows lover like you do. I shoot between 70 pounds and 85 pounds in my Mathew bows. Mathew bows are kinds of my favorite bows. I’m very excited watching you in CZcams.
Thanks for sharing your technique.
Pretty cool. Thanks for posting!!!
Love the simple testing by an expert bowman to get direct answers. Let the data show the way . . . Well done!!
Thank you
It all comes down to how fast the bow returns to the static state He proved it GREAT I subscribe he he but old chap Peter smile a bit xxx
Haha Thanks mate! Sorry about the Statham face😂
Great,really helped a lot. Im going for a 40lb recurve after your advice. Many thanks. Subscribed.
Perfect👌
Thanks for the info, helped me decide how I will buy my next bow
Good! Your welcome
Thanks for your response and keep the videos coming
Interesting video Peter. My 50lb bow pulls 55lbs with my 30 inch draw length. It's like a built in turbocharger 😄.
Chad Kampster hahaha exactly
Neil Wiggs you mean draw longer??
Great video, really shows that the bow matters more than the pounds of the bow ,
It ain't the arrows it's the indian.!
Even though you were close that was some mighty fine shooting I enjoyed the video very much.
Good video I have always said how many lbs means nothing there is to many other variable that matter more. Bow design,drawl length, arrow weight and release style are just a few. Darren
Correct!
Shows the difference between recurve and straight limb, recurve gives more speed to the arrow as the limb has more curl to it giving it more stored energy when pulled back
Most people don't consider that some materials take longer to spring back into shape than others do.
So a bow made with better materials can have a faster cast or throw than a bow of the same design but with a heavier draw weight - with the same weight arrows.
The real advantage to a heavier draw weight is usually getting the same speed as a lighter bow, but with heavier arrows.
Correct! Thanks for watching
@@peterjuulsgaard - I'm just glad to see those "Strength of Materials" classes in college actually have a practical use. 😁
You really got your form down consistent there👍
Love my Borders, @ my 31’ 45# is plenty 🤠
The poundage your holding at your fingers, the design of the bow AND the weight of the arrow are the most important factors to determinate the speed of the arrow I guess. Great, informative video again Peter, and it also shows very well you have a very consistent shot (draw lenght, release) since the speeds were always the same over the 3 arows you shot with each bow!👍🏻
Yes sir! There is a huge difference in bow design. Thanks for watching
It's not necessarily poundage, it's how much of that poundage can be transferred to the arrow. The more effiecient a limb is at transferring energy, the faster that arrow will fly. The draw length is a factor here too because the more time the string has to accelerate the arrow, the faster the arrow can go. Of course all that energy will be wasted if the arrow isn't properly matched to the bow, incorrect arrow spine will cause the arrow to expend energy fishtailing, and an arrow that is too light can't store all the energy the bow is capable of giving. Great test, it was enjoyable to watch!
BeetleBuns your right and that’s exactly What this is all about
Great video. You taught me something today. I always thought that the higher the poundage the faster the arrow but you proved that wrong. I'm mostly shoot between 50 and 55 lb at 29 inch draw. Definitely some good information.
Bob Rosenbalm Thanks! You have the drawlenght with you👍
Well done. I shoot a 35# recurve but it is 45# at my 31" draw. With 430 gr arrows it gets 175 fps. It is a cheap chinese amazon bow 100$ canadian to my door and it shoots as well as the Hoyt Buffalo i shot for years before this one. I would like you to try one and do a review on this inexpensive bow. Its a Sinoart 56" recourve. Only about 80$ USD . At its short length and my long draw it should not even work but it is really an amazing little bow. Give it a try, easy to re- sell if you dont like it.
It´s exactly my point. Drawlenght is more important. I got enough bows though hahaha
Great experiment! Yes your draw length is the factor....I too have a Falco bow...the Storm model. I took this to Mongolia as to compare to there traditional horse bow. I don't know if you ever heard of BAMA BOWS? but I have 3 of them, they are fine Bows ...some of the best I have ever owned. But in my opinion, and it is a fact really...you can have the most expensive ornate Bow out there, but it always comes down to the arrow. I enjoy your videos my friend...keep up the good work!
I have a Nate Steele Elite Classic. Great bow!
You have a VERY consistent draw length. I am impressed.
Thanks! I´m using the feather to nose technique. Maybe thats why
limb design helped some but I agree with your findings over all. I had read years ago about someone shooting a 32 lb longbow and shooting a razor sharp arrow thru a deer at about 12-15 yards. I believe that a very sharp broadhead on a good arrow shot in the proper kill areas will result in a good clean kill. even with a lighter bow, in fact, too many people are over bowed and this can cause a lot of problems as we all know. enjoyed the video
Yes sir! It´s never about speed. The proper tuned heavy arrow and the right broadhead will always do the job. Shot placement is also a factor here. So one should never pull more poundage, than they can be accurate with. No matter what the crono says!
Very good analysis of speed and draw. I enjoyed your video very much, thank you.
Your welcome
Hello peter this video poses a good question. Poundage at draw actually maters a little more then this video lets on. The issue you are seeing here on the crono is not how poundage effects arrow speed but how transfer of energy is affecting arrow speed.
This video was well done and im glad to see the actual numbers. I had the idea for a long time that more lbs doesn't automatically mean more eficent set up.
casey mn thanks’ People are always asking: How many pounds is it? As pounds is the main ingredience. But there are many factors in play. Thanks for watching
Peter new subscriber here. I subscribed because you pull thru the shot with Back Tension & that’s how bows should be shot.
Thanks for watching and subscribtion
Very interesting! Thanks!
Your welcome
I suspected this with my bows, and that’s why I’m keeping my #50 recurve and selling my longbow @ #60.
The longbow is very much slower, but my physical excursion so much higher!
Correct, sir. The efficiency of a recurve is higher.
I think that limb design is a factor for sure, but for hunting gear, you need good quality broad heads and heavy arrows for good penetration. My 40 pound bow with good carbon arrows and 150 gr. broadheads will blow right through a deer, no problem. That said, I think for Elk or Moose, I would step that up to 50 pounds with 400 gr. broadheads for better penetration. That should be plenty to kill just about anything you want to have for dinner. Good video.
Agreed! Thanks for watching
I'm gonna check that out, If the rain ever stops here!!☔️🙄😖🌨 😂😂 Thank you Peter.👍🏻👍🏻
Your welcome
Interesting video and very much food for thought. Thanks for posting.
Thanks! Your welcome
Great informative video
Thanks
The heavier bow might do a bit better with a heavier arrow than the lighter bows. The same model bow in different weights might be a better test. The law of diminishing returns is in play as bow weight increases. A lighter bow is more shootable for most archers so better accuracy is worth more to me. Thanks for the info.
You are perfectly right about all of it. The heavier bow will probably do it better with an heavier arrow. This video was more about that one can not always kill a rihno better, just because he pull´s forexamble 65 pounds
@@peterjuulsgaard I completely agree with you. You did a very nice job with your release as the arrow speeds were very consistent. For a shooter less skilled than you are, getting off the string clean with no creep forward will usually be easier with a lighter bow and fly faster. Any creep forward will negate an advantage of more draw weight.
I was amazed good work me lad very good
Most important to choose a bow that is comfortable to hold draw and shoot. Weight is not that important unless your hunting, but even then all you really need is 40lbs the right arrow,and sharp broadheads. When I was younger I shot 70lbs now I shoot 45 or 50 max,and they take game just the same. 👍👍👍👍👍great video.
1st thing that stood out to me was just how slow your arrows were flying my 48#s with modern limbs gets 50fps more, honestly didn't expect it
So this actually makes complete sense: The longbow is slower for its weight because recurves are more mechanically efficient, the 3rd bow has a higher velocity for its weight because the more extreme curvature of the limb is more mechanically efficient.
So when the law says min 40#s its at your draw length, my 48# hunting recurve was assembled by putting 40# target limbs on a 17" riser yielding my 48#s and not 40
Personally I look at momentum more than velocity because a higher momentum will result in more penetration
The point of the law though is to decrease wounding because there is a point at which a bow, no matter the skill of the archer, simply does not have the energy to penetrate and deliver an ethical kill
(Edits were to spelling)
Very interesting, so you don't need a high poundage bow, to hunt with, because a lower poundage bow, with shoot the pretty much the same speed, and is just as lethal. Thank you for sharing this video!
Of course we need to consider that even the same types of bows can be different. Some longbows are actually fast and will probably perform better than my 67 pounds longbow. A test I couldent make was the heavy bow drawn to 29" (because I cant draw it that far) I guess it would have shown a great difference in speed. But the bottom line is that you not always able to kill a rihno better, just because your pulling forexamble 65#. And will the heavy bow perform better with a heavy arrow? YES! But the other bows will too. Displayed in the next video (part 2)
I have a Bkack Hunter takedown bow , and it shoots 180 fps with carbon arrows . However, I must say that the weight of the arrow itself can change sleed dramatically, and you used at least 2 different arrows that I could see.
I liked your video so decided to subscribe.
You need to keep in mind, that I’m drawing 27 inches in this video. And I was shooting the same 570 grain arrow with all bows. You will gain 10 fps for every inch you draw longer. Therefore is drawlenght and arrow weight the biggest factors regarding speed. Welcome to my channel
Yes, it’s very beneficial videotapes share for us to see. Thanks anyway.
Thanks for the interesting video... i am brand new to this sport, my uncle gave me his old bow on our last moose hunt... 52lbs @ 28", its an old Damon Howatt... i am interested in finding out what my actual draw length is and the poundage at that lenght, i am 6ft tall, so I'm guessing lenght is pretty close to that... once i get more consistant with my form i will start wanting to cruch the numbers!! its pretty exciting to get into this, kinda like when i first got into firearms, so much info out there and so many variables... really enjoyed this video, some of the info suprised me a little and will be watching part 2 next
This experiment may not be " scientific" but the information is still very valuable and useful! I'm new to archery, and I always thought draw weight correlated to arrow speed. Apparently not! I would much rather shoot the 49-pound bow. Good video! JA
Yeah, looks like the draw length and super recurve added makes the difference. Mostly the draw length.
This super recurve only offers aproximately 10 fps extra at my setup, compared to my other recurves at same poundage. The drawlenght breaks the scale.
Thanks for this great Video (even with the Wind noise). Yes - draw lenght is the main reason for Arrow speed. You can easily see it with crossbows that have different cock ranges, but same pounds. My drawlengh is 27,5", so i am looking for short bows like the Bodnik Kiowa. I highly recommend this bow, if you have only 27" - it´s very fast.
startraveller Thanks! I have had the Kiowa! Shot 4 roedeer with it. Nice bow.
The reason for draw weight minimums for hunting is just that's the only convenient measurement that the regulators [whether legislated or by executive decree] could come up with as a lower limit [with the ostensible intent to prevent hunters with inadequate equipment from wounding a lot of game to the detriment of everyone.] When those regulations were enacted decades past, electronic chronographs weren't a thing, and exotic bows for the most part didn't exist [recurve or traditional longbow, take your pick!] Yes, we're more technically astute now & can recognize that modern equipment that can cast a carbon-fiber arrow much faster than the tackle on hand when those regulations were developed. The fact that they haven't changed over the years indicates that they were adequate to their intended effect, so what's not broken doesn't require fixing. Meanwhile, thanks for the excellent demonstration of what really counts, flight speed & accuracy [& of course, cutting diameter: keep those broadheads SHARP! ;-) ]
Yes sir! Exactly!
Thinking out loud here...
If the arrow weight is fixed, it seems like the bow's response will vary, in terms of velocity. If you tuned the arrow to the bow then you might start seeing where the heavier draw length becomes an advantage. By tuning you may also see where higher velocity can be achieved with a lighter draw weight.
I think your video was very helpful in that when an arrow weight is fixed and different bows, with different draw weights, are used the velocity is what it is with the bows you have.
Yes but tuned arrows will Only give a few fps. The major factors are still drawlenght and bowtypes. The main point is that a 70 pound longbow not always delivers more energy than a 55 pound recurve. And what will it help with a 70 pound bow drawn to 26” when a 40 pound bow drawn to 30” delivers the same energy? I mean who can shoot the biggest game? Thanks for watching
Makes sense, energy transferred is a function of the distance over which the acceleration force is applied.
When tested bows of different poundage years ago in our trad club and we found there was very little gain in cast with bows over fifty pound with a standard weight arrow of around 500 grains.
Chris Johnson the heavier Bows will probably perform better with heavier arrows. Let me put it to the test one of these days!
@@peterjuulsgaard yes that's correct, heavier poundage will propel the heavier arrows more efficiently, i,e English warbow, but I would like to see you do some more testing.
@@chrisjohnson38 consider the fact that the arrows for an English warbow would weigh > 1000gr
The advantage over 50#s comes from being able to fling an arrow of greater weight at the same speeds there by generating more momentum and great penetration
You can hear when a bow is shooter an arrow thats too light it just sounds wrong, but when you get it right they bow makes the sounds of contentment
@@vepristhorn8278 yep, but consider the fact that he used the same arrow for the 3 bows. It's just that the borders bow was more efficient, especially when compared to the falcon which was 67# at 28"
Very interesting thanks
Your welcome
Very interesting!
Indeed
A very nice and interesting video sir.
Thanks
Hey, found your channel just 12 minutes ago 😉 Now that was a very informative video, thanks for sharing these interesting results with us, Peter. Liked and subscribed 👍
Stahlblau Thanks and welcome to my channel
Great demonstration 👍
I struggle trying to explain this to customers
Thanks! I’m glad it’s usefull
@@peterjuulsgaard very 👍
Thanks for the video, great info, different outcome than I expected.
I think the reason you get similar speed from different poundage is because with modern light arrows your bow limbs are very close to their maximum velocity, light arrows don't have enough mass to require higher poundage to shoot them at the close to max limb speeds we're used to.
I think if you shoot much heavier arrows like 800-1500 grains you'll see a difference between light and heavy bows
Robert I know that some guys are shooting 1000+ grain arrows. But I dont Think it’s many. In this one l’m testing the Heavy bow against a 789 grain arrow czcams.com/video/xKVn32PIBEQ/video.html
Great form...great follow through
Great upload Peter! I've always shot the compound and thought that new technology always prevailed! I've found a new respect for u guys who shoot the trad bows.. A purchase is just around the corner 😁👍 so great info Peter thnx brother
Marc Larsson I’m glad I can inspire
I gave up bowhunting 2 years ago because of eye operations I had. I can no longer trust my depth perception to shoot a bare bow. For many years I used a Bear Grizzly @ 43# @28" with 33" arrows. If I remember correctly, they were 2117 aluminum. I have long arms and used them at max length. I don't know if the longer arrows were faster, but the weight of these long, soft shafts made them hard hitting and deadly. Weight of the arrow when hunting is everything. I still have an antique 70# straight bow I picked up at a flea market. It is rubber backed and unbelievably short. The finger pinch @ 28" is terrible and I would be afraid to overdraw it, but it is one of the fastest bows I have ever shot. Those little Bear(48") Kodiak Magnums were really fast, But, you needed a heavy arrow to hit hard when it got to the target. Speed has taken the lead in the bow hunting world, and you don't get that with out giving up something else. I have been to Denmark, but bows never came up. Here in Pennsylvania, USA hunters argue about EVERYTHING when talking about bowhunting, not just pounds.
Bowhunting is very small in Denmark. There are about 3000 bowhunters in all of Denmark. About 100 are traditional. Yes thats the numbers! So no wonder you didn´t hear about it.
Interesting, thanks
Your welcome
Maybe somebody already thought of it but i believe you can shoot even heavier arrows with high lb bows where a weaker bow(maybe only more efficient ok) would not have enough "raw power" to keep up with the speed when the arrows become heavier.
I hope you people understand where im going with this. Energy transition
Yes I understand where you are going. But in this case even an 780 grain arrow didn’t change the picture, which I used in part 2. The Super recurve still out performed the 67 pound longbow with that arrow. But yes there is a limit but I dont think we’ll reach
the limit with around 50 pound bows and 800 grain arrows. Maybe the curve will break with forexamble 35 pounds and a 800 grain arrow
Good demo! That was a pretty smooth shooting 55lb bow. I think what you can draw and shoot smoothly is also key. I have a 52 inch 55 lb at 28 inch draw Kiowa. I would like to upgrade to something with fast foam core limbs, a little longer and a little more forgiving.
Thanks! The Kiowa is an awesome little bow
Excellent video Peter. Very interesting.
Thanks, super fun to watch!
Very good thanks
I chrony'd my 3 bows and measured the draw weight: a 48lb mongolian horse bow, a 42 AFB and a 36.5lb olympic recurve with short (16 inch) riser. Shooting the same arrow the recurve came out slightly faster at 168fps. That's definitely not what I expected but came as a pleasant surprise as I prefer to shoot the lighter bow obviously :)
Nice!
Interesting experiment - thanks for sharing it.
always figured it was shot placement and the sharpness of the head that killed game efficiently, not pounds.
And you have always figured it right, sir
Neil Wiggs agree!
So the super curve is that good!
Wenzhe Ma this super curve are about 10 fps faster with same setup at my drawlenght at 27” compared to my other recurves around same drawweight
Take a sledgehammer and whack a boar in the head, then take a pin hammer to do same thing)))) shot placement you say?🤣
Great video again Peter!!!! I draw the same 27" and it not so important on the speed but the right draw weight that you're the most accurate. Draw length is also important to know to help with a good arrow set up youllt need to hunt with. Thanks for sharing love your videos
John Dailey Traditional Archer Thanks! Speed is actually never important. But we also need to acknowledge that we can’t always kill a rihno just because we are pulling forexamble 65 pounds. And there actually is bow design’s out there with higher performance, even at lighter poundage. Thanks for watching sir
@@peterjuulsgaard I totally agree I harvest both of my deer around 43 to 45# with a heavier arrow set up that increased performance and transfers more to the arrow
John Dailey Traditional Archer exactly
Excellent, thank you, Peter!
The energy is all that matters - e=mv2. You increase the speed by longer draw lenght for a bow that has that performance or the sweet spot. And the speed gives you more energy by the square. You are totally right that lb limitations mean nothing, because the lb may tell something about the capacity of the bow but nothing about the archerer. And the bow does not shoot by itself. It does not matter if you shoot targets or hunt, you need to find the energy you need for your arrow. Pretty often you will find it with a weaker bow. The reason is obvious; you are performing better technically. If you shoot a recurve, get a clicker. That is the best coach in the world. You will get your desired draw lenght - and speed and energy - every single time.
Pär Landor yes I use the feather to nose technique! The closest I can come to a clicker. Of course I knew all of this before I even made this video. But believe me: not every body knows that drawlenght and bow type is the dominant factor. Because why does folks always ask: How many pounds is enough for this and that? You never heir folks ask: If I draw 27” and shooting “this type of recurve” How many pounds is enough Then?
Peter Juulsgaard Exactly. I am by no means critisizing you. On the contrary. You dont need big balls if you dont know how to use them. Thats all. When hunting with a rifle, the energy by witch the bullet hits the game is decisive. The same goes for the arrow with one more aspect; the wrong energy for the right distance will end up in a missed shot. I dont care if you draw 20 or 60 inches. Its all about hitting the target with the energy YOU need. And to be fair, even though you get your draw lenght right there are tens of ways to mess up the shot anyway, none of which has anything to do with the lb if the bow.
Pär Landor yes sir! Shotplacement and arrowweight for penetration power will always be the most important. I’m use to teese folks when They talks about FPS. Because what does a fast miss help? Thanks for your input.
excellent video that debunks a major myth.
MYTH????
A 450 grain arrow out of a 45# bow will NEVER out perform a 650 grain arrow out of a 65# bow.
YOU have now been debunked.
I get 182 FPS with 600 grain arrows 34 in Long from a 51 lb Black Widow. But I have a 32" draw. I shoot Black Eagle vintage because that's the only arrows long enough for me. But they are great arrows and very tough
Kevin Roberts nice, man! Those Widows are awesome. I got a KBII my self. Your drawlenght is your friend to
@@peterjuulsgaard not really, I have broken 5 bows. And I don't have much of a choice in arrows. But I never hurt for Speed and Power
and with a compound bow you would be > 200 fps however the laws don't differentiate between bow types.
In my country there are 2 sets of minimum weights with Sambar/Red deer requiring a minimum of 50lbs while smaller game requires 45lbs. That's peak weight, not what is stated on the limbs. I was running with a bow which stated 40lbs @ 26". but with my draw length it was actually 53lbs. Very confusing if I had to explain it to a ranger, but I always kept a bow scale with me just in case.
Also with traditional equipment it's better to have a slower heavy arrow rather than a fast light one (for penetration). 567 grains arrow is on the beefy side, I love your setup. Borders bows are absolutely wonderful to shoot and have amazing performance.
Matthew Briffa Beefy side? Is that to light or to heavy😃? This arrow is the one I get the best combination with. 11,6 gpp. I hunt roe deer, but if I should hunt bigger game I would probably go 650 grain with this bow
@@peterjuulsgaard neither, it's just right. Just that I know a few hunters which fuss over speed to the point where their penetration suffers.
Well done. Thank you for posting
Mostly always knew for a re-curve or compound bow only takes only 40 lbs or 45 lbs to hunt deer size or wild boar animals, from what older people told me.
In my childhood days I was thrown off from this cause watching like the old Fred Bear video's he would use like a 100 pound bow to hunt elephants etc...
Besides that when being a child the mind set is much different from being an adult, when being a child thinking the stronger, faster etc...is better, which its always is not.
Guess for wild boar and deer 40 to 45 lb is what you only need for that, for up to around 50 yard shots.
But never knew with a crossbow bow would need at least 150 lb crossbow to hunt deer or wild boar.
Learned the hard way on that when I bought my first 60 to 65 lb crossbow, thinking it would be good way good enough for hunting.
Then next day took it to bow range and the arrow was bouncing off the target at 10 to 15 yards away, then the workers there told me it was not strong enough for hunting, and probably would not even kill a turkey.
So next day took it back and got like the 160 lb crossbow for hunting.
Lessons learned from this is it much has to do with the kinetic energy from the design of the re-curve to compound to crossbows and so many of these big chain camping and hunting stores like Cabala's, Dicks Sporting etc... the guy that works there told me it was good enough for hunting is an idiot, like so many workers at these stores are moron idiots and give the public the wrong info.
In the middle ages the common crossbow was 500 pounds, but the longbows at 150 pounds, was still more powerfull! The crossbows back then had a drawlengt at only 4 to 6 inches. So thats why they needed 500 pounds, and pulley systems to cock them. The longbow men, was drawing more than 30 inches. So you are perfectly right.
Great video, you must have a very consistent anchor and release.
Thanks
I had a 45 pound I was only pulling probably like 40 with my draw length i a 55 and the 45 is way more fitting and accurate a good shoot and sharp broadhead will work
Yes no problem
I have to say man, I don't judge anyone for what they shoot, but I simply enjoy shooting heavy draw weight bows. My target bow is around 80 pounds, and boy does it really feel like a weapon when you use it. Is it overkill? Yes, unless you're shooting knights. Still, not everyone shooting heavy bows does so for bragging rights. It just feels so good.
Everyone have their own taste! And there is nothing wrong with heavy bows!
It is a known fact that a recurve bow cast a faster arrow than a long bow of the same weight. Archery for 61 years and still on the range🎯 Robin Hood lives.
You bring up a excellent point on draw length and draw weight for speed.
a lot of factors come in to play such as arrow weight in a big one, but I shoot a 28.5" draw length on my bear grizzly bow the bow is 45#@ 28" but do not know how fast it shoots. I use cedar arrows cut to 29" and use a 145 grain broad head. you have peeked my interest now I will have to find out.
It’s not speed that kills, but distance and control. Thanks for watching
Nice video Peter, well done
Incredible constant release peter!! Miss your blacktail!
Hahaha
I shoot 170lbs@32 because it's fun
It sure look´s pretty funny as well, hahaha Thanks for watchingczcams.com/video/kvIbEyTmVd8/video.html
Interesting test..Thank you!
nice one
I love your smooth release...