How to Aim in Traditional Archery
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Armin Hirmer
i feel like im being taught by a Bond villain, and i love it.
That was possibly one of the FUNNIEST comments i have ever read! Brilliant!!
More like Bond himself.
M: They call him right eyed Joey. Because he lost his eye when a bowstring broke and he got a surgical eye that let him see at night.
Hirmer, ...Armin Hirmer. ...shaken not stirred....or the other way around, I don't remember.
😂😂
He says more in 3 minutes with more clarity than most others say in 30.
Thank you
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I must have a cloudy mind because I didn't understand a damn word he said.
Definitely true. Armin rules.
@@ricardogallardo399 me too😂 maybe my brain so dlow to catc hup
This is how I instinctively shot as a child. Then I was told that I was doing it wrong. And that thumb release is wrong. That it didn't matter that I was hitting the target, I was doing it wrong. From then on out, I was watched and 'corrected' every time I went outside to shoot. I ultimately stopped shooting because I didn't like it anymore, didn't like the 'right' way. Just starting to get back into it, having decided I was going to do it my way. The timing of this video popping up is perfect (yes, I know it was made 1.5 years ago). Instant subscribe.
Doesn't matter how you shoot , the important goal is to hit the target , and to do it accurately & mor econsistent , you need to go deeper into tehnical development of your tehnique.
Ghost, I hope you went back to shooting your way. Shoot for the joy of shooting, not to score points or please others.
@@daviddempsey8721 Thank you. As a child, that sort of thing frustrated and upset me. The simplest way of dealing with it, since no one respected the opinion (or even end results) of a child, was to simply stop; remove their capacity to judge and 'correct'. I'll be purchasing a bow this spring, and fully intend to find and follow my own path. Maybe that will mean returning to the way I used to do it (it'll definitely start there), or maybe it will mean embracing an entirely different way. If someone corrects me, I'll thank them for their suggestion, and if it's something I haven't tried for a while before, I'll see if it's something that works for me, or can be adapted - or if, for me, it's better abandoned. The privileges of being an adult 😆. Many thanks for your words 😊🍷🏹
@@Ghost_Os a young woman I know moved to my state and was pistol shooting. Some random older guy didn’t recognise her and so thought her a beginner. He started offering her “tips”… After a few subtle hints that she was fine and didn’t need the advice she finally said “Thank you, I’m not accepting coaching today”.
When he persisted and insisted he was just trying to be helpful, she asked him what his personal best for the distance was. Hers was significantly better.. “So why should I be expected to take coaching advice from somebody who shoots worse than I do?” That had him wandering off muttering...
That’s is how it is for me when “professionals” try to teach me
1:40 "And what do you hear? Nothing. I shot the backstop." The accent just makes it better. Instructional and absolutely entertaining
And the way he speaks is so relaxed and matter of fact. It’s explained so simply and so surely, I can’t help but trust him. And I fully believe him
"Do you look at the stone, or do you look at where you want to throw it?"
Oh wow. That opens a whole new way of thinking for me.
Subscribed!
That's the way they used to to 'combat' shoot the revolver, from Peacemakers to dbl-action police type. 'Point shoot' look at the target not sights,gun or hand.
literally what i thought 😯
@faultroy Yeah that is true but it also makes Robin Hood a bad archer
@@maxmuller8633 Why is that?
I live in the Middle East, this will come handy during stoning infidels :)
amazing, such simplicity...."you throw a stone you don't look at the stone you look at the target". thank you Armin.
I bought a bow at a renaissance festival and started shooting it in my backyard. Everything he's talking about, from not aiming with the arrow to how he holds his hand to his cheek and keeps both eyes open, I learned instinctively from repeated failure. Amazing!
Same here. Wife surprised me with a couple hours at a range after I popped some balloons at the ren fest after picking up a bow for the first time ever. Got way into my head at the range but once I started just looking and enjoying not being self conscious and nervous I was hitting anything I wanted.
That's how people used to learn stuff back in old days
trial and error has always been humanitys greatest asset
I like that... "When you throw a stone, do you look at the stone or look where you want to throw it?" - Perfect analogy
How Is It possibile that a 5 minute video explains a concept so clearly? Nice, thanks
At last a clear and precise explanation of how to aim without sights
I thought the exact opposite, he didn't explain anything.
Clear and precise? What is wrong with you people?
@@S4M4R1T4N shows you do not comprehend the method
@@jimbernard8964 you point the hand holding the bow and don't aim with the arrow. Then keep shooting until you know where the arrows are going to hit.
@@johnq.citizen8076 'Shooting from the hip' is instinct. Its hard to explain memorization to someone that needs to read the same thing over and over.
I've seen so many videos that don't actually explain how to aim. Thank you for actually giving instruction on how to aim.
" Point not Aim" ...Perfect and exactly correct.
INSTINCTIVE / Intuitive Archery.. you have the very best computer ever created... your human brain... No other equipment needed to HIT a target and bring home food or protect yourself.... then just practice practice practice not being in control.
Great job with the examples.
Just took my first deer with my homemade recurve. Very rewarding.
@@PREPARED067 wow. thats amazing
Please write a book.
hehe when I retire maybe :D thanks for watching
this is the best Archery lesson on the internet, thank you Armin.
This is also my opinion. It gave me back the interest for the art of archery that I was gradually loosing after 3 years of sight aiming (olympic shooting). I' ve only practiced twice so far following these instructions, but I am already doing quite well. A deliberation of the strict rules/positions of sight aiming, a rediscovery of the primordial fascination of just throwing the arrow where you want it to go. Thank you very much Armin!
I recently switched from split finger to three under and it improved my accuracy by a significant margin. I think because it raises the arrow closer to the eye so it falls in line better in my peripheral.
Of course, as long as you aim over the arrow it is better
This was so well explained, honestly such a skilled archer just imagine how amazing it would be to train with him, if you guys haven't I'd highly recommend watching his different draw techniques video, very clear and helped me realise what draw back technique works for me best it is a great video
Thank you
Was trying to hit a cup from a couple yards out. Hit it once in about 75 shots. Sat down a couple of minutes and watched this video. And hit it on my very first shot. Thank you!💪🏻
The throwing a stone analogy was spot on. Thank you for this amazing tutorial!
I taught myself on an old fiberglass recurve bow about 25yrs ago and had no idea how I was aiming, I just fired at my target and hit. I wasn't pin point accurate by any means, but I was reliably on target at 20yds. I switched to compound bow and became spoiled with the peep sight and fiberoptic pins. I shot that with pin point accuracy for 15yrs. I haven't shot in 5yrs and just bought a Samick Sage to get back into things and this video just explained the basics so clearly and plainly! Great lesson in aiming, answered my questions on how I was aiming 25yrs ago and how I can get back into archery without losing 100 arrows, lol. You have my subscription!
"and what do you hear, nothing I shot the backstop." was legendary
This principle is why people who have never held a gun can pick one up and hit a target or bad guy with their first shot. They have no preconceived ideas or bad habits, they just point. The first time my mother fired a shot gun was at thrown clay pigeons. She out shot my dad who had been shooting all his life.
Yes, you can also hit with a pistol with two eyes open.. as long as the target is not too far away though... Because at some point your not going to be able to hit without aiming..
Old pistols didn't even have sights..
Im not sure how true this is.. ive never seen a noob shooter get more than one or two shot at a target.. in fact theyre usually worse on there second shot because most people dont truly know how explosive a gun really is (2nd time around they begin anticipating the recoil, making aim worse)
@@Spartacus4000 it depends on how far the target is. If it's close enough you can still make use of your 3D vision with two eyes. And it's easier to hit with pointing instead of aiming. After a certain distance it's to far away to make a difference and you're not going to hit anything without aiming
@@DrTheRich Closing an eye is generally a bad idea while using any firearm at any distance mate. Front sight focus and target alignment with both eyes open is the way to aim.
@@ggerelyI agree with you if you are at least somewhat experienced with shooting. But for the beginner, "separating" your vision with both eyes open is very hard. since we're talking about people picking up a gun for the first time.
Aiming at a distance with both eyes, gives you a big chance of using the wrong eye to aim if you don't know what to pay attention to...
Man, you speak so damn fast. More than half of your wisdom went over my head.
You can slow it down :)
Gotta say that's probably the best and simplest explanation of how to aim with a traditional bow I've heard in over 30 years of being into archery...I've just always done it without thinking about it. It's also how I shoot a handgun...just natural like I'm pointing a finger at the target
As someone who literally just picked up a bow this week to try it out, this and many of your videos have been an amazing help. Can't wait to go out and shoot some more.
Thanks so much for this video. For a novice archer who refuses to go to any clubs for lessons, and who rather wants to learn on his own -- this is gold. Glad I stumbled on your channel!
From a martial arts guy, dabbling in archery and may I say really enjoying it. I found the explanation so simple and easy to follow. Made perfect sense. You need both eyes for depth perception
Thank you.
The key point I learned from this video is 'like throwing a stone'.. Now suddenly I have confidence.. this guy is great..
Your "AIMING FACE" is epic.
I just LOVE this explanation. It's SO logical. 'When you throw a stone, you don't look at the stone; you look at the target and you throw it'. I learnt more with this simple analogy than watching countless vids about AIMING. Thanks Armin. I have imrpoved a lot with my instinct and from your wise tips
That has to be the best archery advice I have ever heard. Add that to how to thumb draw bare skin and how to knock your arrow at a slight downward angle to bare bowhand. Much Thanks Mr. Hirmer
I love coming back to this years later. For some reason, it just pops up in my head and I remember how simple and effective his method is.
You explanation of this method totally makes sense. Great video.
What I do is in a way, I aim my bows like I aim a rifle with iron sights. I don't place the arrow tip directly on the target, but maybe no more than a half inch below the target instead. After shooting for awhile you'll notice that once releasing an arrow, it will not fly in a direct straight path, but it actually slightly rises initially and then drops as it reaches its target, kind of like throwing a rock, but in this case its an arrow. If you point the arrow directly at the target, depending on your distance from it, it will fly and strike directly above it like how it was demonstrated in the video. This is because our minds are designed to act on this perception that we need to point at our target directly in order to hit it, which is completely wrong in certain cases. Same concept when trying to shoot a bird out of the air or spear a fish directly in the water while standing from land. You can't hit the bird because it'll have already flown past where you pointed and shot, and you can't hit the fish because of the refraction of the water giving us the illusion that the fish is somewhere where it really isn't. Once you learn to retrain your brain on these illusions and physics it will help make you a much better aim. That and practice is the key. Doing simple calculations in your head isn't going to make you hit a target if your muscle memory isn't trained for handling and aiming the same exact way consistenly.
Just recently started with archery, and this is the best instruction for a reproducible aiming strategy I have seen.
I paid $50 for wrong training and this guys gave me correct information for free in under 2 min.
I remember I started archery at 9 years old, my shooting skill were quite good, I stopped after 3 years because it wasn't dynamic enough for me at the time but it helped me a lot to keep myself focused. I'm now 17 and thinking to shoot again. I looked at this video and noticed I was aiming the wrong way the entire time: with the tip of the arrow. I'm starting to think that most of good shots I did actually happened because I was just lucky. This video made me want to really go back to archery and correct those rookie mistakes I did in the past.
"Failure is the key to Sucess" like my coach said to me once
"You point, and boom!" lol I really needed to see this video. Thank you
Finally... Could not be more clear. Thank you, Armin.
I've been struggling for weeks with aiming and alignment, all of a sudden it all makes sense.
You sir are a God sent, thanks a million.
Stop worrying too much about getting that pin point shot, obviously try for a part of the target you're aiming at, but (can't remember where i heard it) "aim small, miss small". Just practice, practice, practice dude. Being able to draw the bow itself to it's full potential comfortably for yourself (28 at 50 pounds is my best and preferred) is just as important as "aiming". People get too caught up in olympic and compound archery styles, it's a whole different kettle of fish compared to trad/instinctive.
No idea why this was in my recommendations, but now I need a bow to try this out. :P
destiny :D :D
In my country we call this method intuitive shooting. Because you don't aim, but look at the target. Once you gain experience, your body will learn to automatically make corrections depending on the distance of the target, it becomes intuitive.
Amazing insight! thank you for taking the time to share it. I truly appreciate it.
From Australia, thank you Armin for very informative tuition.
Thank you from Pennsylvania. I hope to visit Malta someday for exploration of your subteranian secrets. Fantastic archery tutorial! I am a traditional, barebow enthusiest, and your method is excellent.
The stone analogy is exactly that. Stop obsessing with small grouping. Thank for the video👌I subscribe
thank you
Fantastic video. Recently started getting into traditional archery and have been finding it difficult to be consistent with my aiming. This video perfectly describes the process without giving you too much to have to think about while you're making your shot. Thank you!
Short and sweet and very useful. The accent is the cherry on top!
Amazing, finally!!! Something clear and concise. Thank you. I got this same lesson from an olympic archer at the range once. He said sight's are fine, but instinctive shooting is the soul of Archery.
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Thank you for articulating this principle so well Armin. I learned to shoot intuitively around the age of 9, and after a 55year lay off my old bow turned up this winter. Surprisingly, I could still shoot well after only a couple volleys. Que up a Samick Sage(clone) and I'm back to enjoying this great sport. My current fun motivation is to try to cause concern for the compound guys at the 20yd range where I shoot. Love your videos!
I loved that example "when you throw a stone..." it was great.
Love the “and what do you hear... nothing i hit the backround”😂😂😂❤️💯
Just an explanation of the intuitive aiming technique... many successful archers use other aiming techniques... that being said, I prefer intuitive aiming as well, and this is one of the better explanations of how it works I've found. The only thing I'd add is that the amount you adjust for distance is a function of practice, you train your brain to subconsciously learn where to put the arrow tip in your unfocused foreground view... you train your brain just like AI is taught ... by giving it lots of input and letting it compare good results with poor results and make tiny adjustments in order to hone in on more and more consistently good results ... this is a natural and intuitive process that just takes a lot of input (practice). If you just let go of the need for control like dude says, and trust that you'll automatically catch on, you'll be fine. And the rock analogy is beautiful, I'm using that.
Another instructive video. Thank you.
that was very helpful, I went straight outside to my practice and hit the target nine times out of 10 straight away… before that I would have probably been 50-50.. thank you❤
I tried this today and after firing around 10 arrows my accuracy had improved substantially. Thank you so much, such a simple alteration has made such a big difference.
I teach and train with two eyes open and focused down range but your analogy of throwing the rock was brilliant! I'm going to try that mindset next time I shoot. Thanks
I also shoot rifles with both eyes open; has to do with situational awareness and my daughter does mounted archery so she has to shoot with both eyes open.
Took me a good while to figure this out. And you sum it up in 5 minutes. Wish videos like this were around when I first picked up a bow. Great explanation, great video.
That was probably the best description I've heard to date on 'aiming' a traditional bow. I loved your comparison to pointing a finger at something, or throwing a rock at something. Perfect. It's a very complex process that occurs where we aren't even fully concious of the inputs and calculations. It's a learned skill that's developed over years of practice (well, maybe not the finger pointing). I'm just picking up a recurve decades after using a compound bow with pin sights. Thanks for the tip and a new way of thinking about this skill!
This is perfect! Just what I needed as most people aat my club are using sights and modern recurves. Never give up on your goals!
great, this is one of the most common questions about archery.
your video editing skill is improved good luck.
That bow your using looks awesome! So clean. Oh, and i love your Little range!!!!
yes :) from the balloon I went to the neck of the plastic bottle :) I shoot into the plastic cap at 6 yards :) 1 year ago I found the last aiming point (aim by directly placing the extension of the notch in the center of the cap :) armin archery a lifetime to understand and learn :) thank you for your explanations, always true and verifiable, adapt your shooting to your person :)tks!
Thank you for your advice Ser Jorah!
This is the same "Instinct Shooting" technique I was taught and use when aiming at say a tin can on the ground with a revolver. You point the barrel as you would your finger at the target and 95 percent of the time this will result in a hit, the other 5 percent is so close as to be of little matter. The rule is "Aim small, Hit small".
2 thumbs up, great Mr. Armin, thx 4 the tips. Keep up with other great tips for one goal: only one arrow to get it right.
Simply, thank you! So concise. I want to try it now!
I appreciate you taking the time to explain this!
Absolutely incredible, I'm willing to try that on my upcoming practice, You pointed some very good and efficient advices, Especially unique for Self-learners, Highly respected, Well done, Teacher :)
Literally just bought a recurve, I have basically no clue what I'm doing but this video helped me hit my foam block target half of the time
This makes so much sense! I have been struggling with aim because I was trying to align the tip of the arrow with the target. Thank you for this explanation!
I knew all the correct postures, I just didn't know how to aim. Now I know. Thank you so much!
Very interesting and informative. As a non-archer I wasnt aware of using both eyes open to aim, but it maes sense. Arrows, like rocks and darts are much more subject to gravity, and so you need to properly know the distance to the target, and for that you need two eyes.
Also, bonus points for thumbrelease. I dont know how much difference in accuracy it makes, but from what I can tell, it allows for a higher rate of fire.
The biggest part of " aiming " that one must get over is trying to aim to begin with. Learn to trust your body and that it knows what to do. Close your eyes and extend your arm and bring your finger in to touch your nose. Did you have to feel around for your nose or did you find it instinctively? Exactly! You just trusted that your finger knew exactly where to go. Shooting is the same. Trust that your body knows how to get the arrow to the target and focus only on the target. You must come to realize that you cannot doubt the ability of your body to do what should come naturally. One does not shoot at a target. One shoots a target. Also, with traditional archery do not attempt to hold your shots. Draw the bow and release within half a second or a second at the most. If you hold your shot for longer you will leave room for you to start doubting your aim and accuracy. Releasing sooner not only saves your arm so that you can shoot longer without fatigue but also ensures that you are shooting instinctively and not " aiming " and learning to trust your reflexes and truly realize your skill.
Most forget that even the ancient Man who used archery for hunting ect, they still practiced, and fucked up more than hit exactly what they intended. It's a time thing, more time you spend with the bow and arrows, better you get. People also get too hung up on "correct" shooting form, you need to find what works best for you, and if you're hitting exactly what you need to then it's nobody elses business to tell you otherwise. You hit the nail on the head with the holding a shot, the longer you hold, the more you feel it in the arm, you also 2nd and even 3rd guess your target, meaning it'll be off. I hunt rabbit ect with a bow, there's no time for holding aiming waiting ect, you draw, point and if well practiced, release. I miss on the odd occasion, that's life, but most times i hit and pin the bunny to the ground, quick neck snap later and it's into the pot.
Seems to work! I quickened my release today so that it was close to one fluid movement and yup, no time to think. My shots were a bit spread out at first but tightened up eventually. Practice, practice, practice.
I was very confused for most of the video, but then you said the "you don't aim when throwing a rock" and everything was so clear all of a sudden haha
Thank you :)
I have to say these are some of the best lessons I have ever seen on the internet for me. Thanks for posting these videos, they have helped me a lot!
I made bow and arrows when I was about 7 years old (I'm now 46), I loved it... But I always draw the string with my left hand (or actually draw the bow with my right), put the arrow on the right. Although my arrows was just a "semi" straight piece of branch (no fins) I usually hit what I was aiming for. Later when I was around 12-13 I found the best wood for a bow (the string was a really good fishing line) and I was on a "beach" and I found an arrow that was very conserved and was an aluminium arrow with fins... I tried it with my wooden bow and it was truly amazing... never had an arrow that straight and stabilized so good (I did add fins to my not that straight branches of wood for arrows before but the branches was not as straight so the stabilizing fins did not do that much)...
I always used the thumb grip because I did not have any fins. With the arrow I found though It was hard, so I actually tried another way and that was pulling the string... And that was not at all as accurate as before, but way more powerful... and I had to learn a new way... that single arrow got used a lot, and I had to look for a new one after awhile...
But anyway... No one seem to draw the way I did (naturally)... really weird...
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And I'm right handed btw.
One should accept that there are more ways to do one thing. Neither is right or wrong or more or less natural. They all developed sue to application
Dominant hand is not necessarily domiinant eye ......
Oooooops ... Dominant hand is not necessarily domiinant eye .....
Awesome thanks. I have made myself 2 new pvc bows to practice thumb draw with since finding your channel and having access to this info, can't get enough.
Also 1:32 pause for Armin The Sailor Man *toot toot*
I started shooting last year after watching a couple videos on the basics . I was doing quite well fora beginner! Nailing most shots. This year I’ve watched a lot of videos about aiming, sighting etc (Even bought a sight) Haven’t shot as well ever since. I feel this may just be the key to getting me back to a basic more instinctive shooting style that seemed to work well at first. Glad I found this! Thank you.
Just ordered a Hungarian style long bow off of Amazon. I'm looking forward to learning the thumb draw. I have been binge watching your videos and find them very helpful. Thanks for sharing your passion. Cheers from Oregon!
I’m a retired Chicago Police Officer. Great Video. Much of your instruction applies to dynamics of Pistol Shooting. Target acquisition, sight alignment, trigger control. Also, Front Sight
Oddly satisfying when you shoot a traditional bow.
One of the best training, Thank You Sir
You just improved my concept of"aiming" with pointing of hand. Thanks so much
Thank you little lightbulb went off in my head.
Reminds me of Cristoph Waltz, one of my favorite actors.
THANK YOU! i was trying to remember for 10 min
This is real archery instruction! Hats off to the instructor for the tips given
I just found your channel and I genuinely appreciate you and your content. The amount of information you give in such a clear, precise and simple format is great.
Thank you
can you please do a video on limb twist and how to fix it
We're up to 5 cents now? Damn Inflation!
Well said, Armin. "Point, not Aim" perhaps will reduce the Trolls who simply MUST always leap on anyone talking about not aiming and shooting Instinctively.
It's not inflation, but lack of 1 and 2 cent coins. ;-)
But I guess that is due to inflation... hmm
This was the most satisfying and entertaining and knowledgeable video I have seen! Thank you!
just got into archery and this has helped me immensely! Thank you so much sir!
Beginner here, this was incredibly clear and concise. I see now how natural it is to use instictive vs gap and feel capable of being able to switch between the two
What's your bow, by the way? Nice looking bow.
Rolan snake bow.
Exactly how the great Howard Hill shot a bow.
When I was child I had a simple slingshot that I got real good with. I could hit anything with it and I never aimed. Never even thought to aim.
Wonderful video.
Fantastic guidance. Thank you!
This topic is hot nowadays, many argue that instinctive archers still "aim" using peripheral vision to subconsciously line up the arrow or whatever with the target. There was a guy-his name escapes me-who was adamant that he did not aim but he did a test in complete darkness and could not group at all. I also seen a completely amateurish looking video of someone who absolutely nailed the test. Basically he shot at a laser dot on a bag in complete darkness, it was awesome. Maybe there is an idea for a video?
Armin, your expressions remind me Roger Moore ones...:-)
Sir, whenever you are in germany hit me up so I can buy you a coffee or two. Thaaaank you so much. My neighbours rly love this channel
I've been aiming with the gap shooting method with my longbow and shooting great. I recently bought a horse bow to try instinctive shooting and speed shooting. My groups were horrible with it until I watched this vid. You saying that you simply point, not aim, has helped me tremendously. Thanks Armin!