What is the LEAST Damage You Can Deal in Pokemon?
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- Sure everyone knows how to deal the most damage in Pokemon, but have you ever wondered what the least amount of damage you can do is? Before rounding up to 1 and ignoring 0, of course.
If I catch any of you in the comments saying to just use a type immunity to deal 0 damage: I know where you live and I'm in your walls
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My only question is why not natdex
@@jrpestilence6578don't think natdex has a triple battle format.
In Generation 1, it is possible to have a move hit that does 0 damage: Psywave in that generation is a psychic type move that does a random amount of damage to a maximum of 1.5x the user's level: The move can, and has, done 0 damage while still hitting the target pokemon.
@@TheSkullkid16 they address this in the sequel video. They wanted a non-zero number.
use Gift and you might heal your opponent
The lowest damage you can deal is actually by using focus blast on any pokemon. When it inevitably misses, you will deal 0 damage which is ever so slightly less than 0.0074
I think personally if you got all the people who have been personally wronged by focus blast accuracy into a room together we could storm game freak headquarters and make them pay reparations
What about zap cannon and dynamic punch? If it isn't 100 accurate, it's 50% accurate,except it actually is 50% accurate
yesterday I was playing emerald and I missed 7 hypnosis in a row
If I ever recreate the world would you want me to make your moves not miss 50% of the time for a 90% accurate move?
@@TeamGalactic-Cyrus make them miss 90% of the time
Cannot believe you had to bust out the misogyny strats, good stuff!
mom the pokemon are sexist i'm calling the police
Technically the first one was done with a level 1 female and the second was done with a level 1 male. So there was both misogyny and misandry
@@BurakkuHishou this is the height of gender equality
@@bajinglezKazuma Approved.
@@BurakkuHishouat that point it's gender equality 😂
What's the lowest possible chance to attack your opponent?
Things like, Accuracy, evasion, confuse, infatuation, etc. All stacked, on a super inaccurate move.
And then add the Truant ability. lol
We counting attack checks with infatuation/confusion/paralysis?
Instead of truant, it should be hustle
Well Truant wouldn’t make sense because that’s not changing the likelihood of anything.
Unless your goal with Truant is to just make it incredibly frustrating on top of the low hit chance lol.
Otherwise I’d go with Hustle like the other guy said
So a level 1 pokemon using an OHKO move against a level 100 pokemon I think simply can't hit
Might I suggest adding sand veil and bright powder?
This is the kind of useless information I love filling my head with. Good video.
I dream to fill the heads of the masses with the least useful information out there 🫡
7:22 i find it so cute when all of the other pokemon start using protect at the final turn for some reason
I looked into this myself a while back and it's great to see how much of this you got right compared to other videos on the topic, but there are still some ways to go lower:
- Mimic + Reflect Type allows you to get Water/Dragon/Grass on any target Pokemon that learns Mimic.
- Guard Split can be used by Shuckle to average its raw Defense stat with the Defense stat of any target. Its stats reset when it switches out, allowing you to repeat this process until your target Pokemon has 613 raw Defense (one less than Shuckle's maximum of 614). Combined with Eviolite and +6 Defense, this allows you to get the absolute maximum Defense stat without the use of an ability, 3,678.
- Much more importantly, Gen 7 is more optimal than Gen 6, as the utility of triple battles is offset by access to Hydro Vortex from Aqua Jet, which applies a ×0.25 modifier when protected against.
These optimizations let you get to a minimum of 0.0024919 damage, or about 402 Shedinjas. (P.S. to show just how little the Defense optimizations matter, if you still just use a +6 Kingdra you get a minimum of 0.0024934. :P)
something i haven’t seen people try is forest’s curse + tar shot onto an aloan sandslash(for max damage). i calculated it once and it was more damage than the previous record with schuckle.
i wanna see this tested
I think the highest damage you can do is with Heatran full health, specs, +6 spa, battery/power spot, helping hand, in sun, eruption vs a dry skin, tar shot, forest curse, -6 spdef, alolan Sandshrew
Is there a way to add Rollout storage to that number? It was patched out, but it allowed for a crazy multiplier on any attack.
I calculated the most damage possible and it's dealt with houndstone's move, around 3.6 billion damage
In Ultra Sun/Ultra Moon, it's possible to deal 12.973 billion damage using Rollout storage. Light Ball Pikachu (fire type from Color Change, with its attack boosted to 613 using a Shuckle with Power Split, at +6 and with Pure Power) uses rollout storage-boosted V-Create (called by mimicked Me First) under the effects of Helping Hand (x2 thanks to Instruct) and Flower Gift on a Substitute of a Bug/Steel/Grass, Tar Shot, Fluffy Smeargle and lands a crit in the sun.
One way you could do less damage is in gen 1, in gen 1 it is possible for a move to do zero damage but the game will count that move as missing even if it cannot miss. One way to do this is to have a the lass from mount moon use absorb with her Oddish on a level 29 or higher Ivysaur
I see you too watched Ranking Every Trainer In Pokemon Red and Blue
Level 3 jigglypuff with psywave
@@peomaster6914 no psywave. That move needs to be buried
@@peomaster6914 The destroyer
I saw an example with Poison Sting vs. a horde of Rock/Ground types that did zero damage unless it crit.
You can use False Swipe on a mon that has 1HP left. It'll deal 0 damage.
I just tipped that same exaclty comment. Can't believe this simple trick wasn't mentioned 😂
Question is "what does the least damage" but 0 isn't "least" it's literally not damage at all
@@AffyMoon 0 is a number
@@AffyMoon
Of course it is damage. It is a quantity of damage. Just like I have 0 friends.
I am not crying
@@AffyMoonit is -0% on showdown so 0 is a damage
7:37 I love that little _"(per hit of Water Shuriken)"_
2:53 btw water spout (eruption water type clone) turned into one of Kyogre signature moves for the first time bc neither wailord or Jellicent line is in the game
If only Gourgeist was in S/V, you could use trick-or-treat to add ghost typing to a quad resist Pokemon for even less damage.
I think Trick-Or-Treat actually replaces the typing, and doesn't add it.
@@nightmare3642 No it adds to it like forest curse would.
Gourgeist has another way of doing less damage.
The garbage accuracy of power whip will result in it doing 0 damage extremely often.
I've had it miss 5+ times in a row when one landing would be a win
@@israelnevarez3118 i think forest curse and magic powder overwrite each other; no 4 types together, unfortunately.
@@theteethcollector865 They want to use trick-or-treat on Pallosand
I got .00332 !
the trick is to switch to gen 7. you lose the ability to run triple battles, but gain z-moves, which have their power reduced by 75% if the opponent uses protect. besides that, my setup was pretty much the same
I wondered about this in the past. I think you could probably go lower using an Electrified Frustration affected by Forest's Curse and Mud Sport. In gen 7 Chansey can use Gigavolt Havoc on a protecting Pokemon Guard Split with Shuckle and Reflect Typed with Zekrom. I have a replay, but I think it is outdated because I forgot about Rivalry at the time.
That sounds really interesting, if you could figure out the numbers and run the calculations for it I'd love to know!
@@KingTheLuck Making a bunch of assumptions about logistics here, but this is what I have:
2.001954397 attack power
*0.85 Low damage roll
*0.75 Rivalry
*0.75 Friend Guard
*0.5 Multiscale
*0.5 Burn
*0.5 Mud Sport
*0.5 Reflect
*0.25 Z-move through Protect
*0.125 Type effectiveness
0.00186950087 is the damage before rounding.
Electrified Clangorous Soulblaze through Protect would get the multiple targets multiplier, but it wouldn't get the burn multiplier. Fluffy instead of Multiscale could allow Parental Bond's second hit of Electrified Mimic Brutal Swing to do less damage but it wouldn't get the *0.25 from hitting through Protect.
Oh that's super interesting, so a mega kangaskhan with mimic using water shuriken would actually be better than smeargle in the gen 6 part of the video, you could half the damage I came up with and that would be the actual result. Really interesting stuff, a few people have commented on some things that could have been improved but this is the biggest reduction someone's come up with yet
@@KingTheLuck Friend Guard isn't possible with *0.5 Reflect. Oops. It is almost better to do a Single Battle just to get the boosted Reflect, but Friend Guard makes Double Battles better for reducing damage.
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Improvement:
If you use a Pokémon with Reflect Type to get gain the Dragon/Water typing, you can decrease the amount of damage even more.
The options are either Mew (base 100 SpDef) or Toedscruel (base 120 SpDef), both of which are higher than Kingdra’s base 95 SpDef.
I’m not sure how much this would effect the final damage calc, but it would certainly decrease the amount dealt.
Awesome, that's a great addition! I'm sure I could also use mimic or copycat to get some other pokemon to use it if there's one that learns it with an even bigger spdef
@@KingTheLuck that’s a really good idea as well. Your best bet would be Florges with Copycat in that case, with base 154
if you add to this setup 252 HP EVs to torkoal you can make eruption slightly weaker (11 BP)
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if you use water shuriken, dont you need +6 Spdef not def? FIX YOUR VIDEO!
@@bigbadundeaddaddy do me a favour and look up water shuriken's properties in gen 6 :)
False swipe on a 1 hp mon deals 0 damage
How did you get the full gen 9 damage calculator? If I go to the damage calculation page on bulbapedia it only goes up to PLA
@@badwithusernames3238 Pokemon showdown has its own calculator
Personally i’d say Pain Split does the least damage because if you have more hp than them, they *GAIN* HP which is essentially megative damage
Pain split mismagius in Pearl helped me snag Cresselia that way
i knew it was gonna be good when i heard "we start a triple battle"
If you include Ting-Lu on the torkoal side, it will reduce all Pokémon’s special attack by -25%, with its vessel of ruin ability.
Unfortunately the ruin abilities affect the stat not the damage, so it wouldn't bring the stat lower than 1
@@KingTheLuck But if you had a pokémon with only 4 special attack at -6 and vessel of ruin, the stat would become 0 right? And if that's the case, the move's power becomes completely irrelevant because it's multiplied by 0.
@@thesharpestknife it can't go lower than 1 unfortunately
I thought it would just be as simple as a level one pokemon with seismec toss.
Technically they all do 1hp in the end, so not completely wrong.
I'm pretty sure you can deal exactly 0 damage by reaching exactly the limit of damage calculated by the game but I don't remember the details... I've seen a video of a lvl 1 pokemon tanking an attack which should have done about 1 billion damage and it's health didn't decrease at all (it was done on console too if you're wondering)
edit : I think you need to use the last respect strategy to create an overflow error, you need to deal 65 535 damage to do that or a multiple of that number
I thought that was like, patched?
Correct!
+6 252+ Atk Rayquaza-Mega Dragon Ascent vs. Lvl 8 0 HP / 0 Def Paras: 0-64776 (0 - 249138.4%) -- 93.8% chance to OHKO
Here are the damage rolls:
Possible damage amounts: (64776, 0, 764, 1524, 2288...
Upon reaching 65535 damage, the danage overflows which then would deal 0 damage.
@@KamirasuMy lvl 8 Paras 6.8% of the time: 😴
the actually pesky part of the damage formula is the integer division.
after each division step, any fractional portion truncated off is so after not much time the game sees it as 0 damage and all the extra multipliers aren't actually doing anything until the end of damage calcs where it checks if you're about to do 0 damage and then it makes it do 1 damage instead
Aurora veil is able to stack with light screen lowering damage for another 33% percents I think
There's actually a really interesting @Freezai video about that! In Pokemon showdown for a few months after gen 7 dropped that was how it worked, but then people realised that that's not actually how the interaction works in game and it was changed
In gen5, the Reflect calculation makes possible the 0 damage attacks.
In gen1, if the damage is low enough it deals 0 damage, but in-game it shows it missed
not a damage thing in gen 1
game calcs miss on moves with 1/256 thing and if something something watch big yellow
@@discat907 that's a glitch not related to the one i mentioned
@@kumo-cho ok
"Everyone knows you used to do the most damage by using ice ball on a noibat"
I thought it was rollout on a combee 💀
I also thought it was Rollout
Read the title, thought the video was gonna be shit, but I was pleasantly surprised. I really enjoy these kind of theory crafting pokémon+maths videos
Hmm, depending on how you define "damage" would the "lowest" potentially be healing your opponent for the largest amount possible? Like an experiment to see how much HP you could get an ability like Water Absorb to heal from a single attack. This would also mean the comments that ask "Wouldn't 0 be the lowest damage possible?" need not apply because a negative value would be less then 0.
Thank you for explaining it so quickly. Most contnt creators stretch their explanations to fit into 10 minutes.
I really enjoyed this video. I checked out your channel and saw this was the most popular upload, I can see why. I see potential in you bro, love your personality. 2023 is definitely your year. Can’t wait to see this channel blow up!!!’
Thank you so so much! I really hope it does eventually, everyone always has such nice things to say 😅 my first proper video actually blew up pretty nicely and got 50k views and that started me off really well, but I think at this point this video is slated to outperform it so fingers crossed!
Now I'm wondering what's the lowest accuracy you could have.
Great question!
so because the OHKO moves aren't affected by accuracy modifiers, I'm thinking +6 evasion, -6 accuracy, hustle dynamic punch into a bright powder holding pokemon with an ability like sand veil in sandstorm, I wonder if anyone can get lower
@@KingTheLuck tangled feet actually increases your evasion even higher then sand veil. evasion and accuracy cancel eachother out too. anyways the accuracy would be 5.94
@@sheeplol2161 which is just slightly lower than Focus Blast
@@markosmywords9202 god damnit
Just use False Swipe on a pokemon with 1HP. It will deal 0 damage per hit.
The description says: "Sure everyone knows how to deal the most damage in Pokemon, but have you ever wondered what the least amount of damage you can do is? Before rounding up to 1 *and ignoring 0*, of course." (emphasis mine)
That move was basically the attack equivalent of breathing on someone
I have an ideas that might work
Use rhyperior because it is bulkier, hit it with trick or treat and give it the ability fur coat use poison sting as a z move on smeargle while rhyperior protects. The move would go up to 100 power but I think the reduction from protect would be worth it.
Delibird using present HEALS the opponent doing NEGATIVE damage
Memento is the move that does the least damage. It kills you instead
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When I saw this on my TV I thought this was a popular video like some other people. Also like them, I’m surprised you don’t have too many subscribers, likes and views, you deserve way more. Keep on going buddy, or stranger, or somebody, anyway you can do it, or keep going!
I'll admit, I was half expecting him to cause an integer overflow to deal negative damage
Unfortunately you cannot hit negative damage as GF uses unsigned integers for damage (it just loops back to 0)
That's the least damage YOU can do... I can do less....
Before Gen 8 you can use Frustration at max happiness which has a base power of 1
We are forgetting about the potential to consider things like enemy mons having abilities that allow them to heal off attacks.
Just use Heal Pulse on the enemy. Negative damage? I win.
That's a new one, you uh.. got me there lmao
Is it possible to pass on defeatist or slow start instead of rivalry?
rip water sport.
i guess *technically* it’s possible to get a lower damage number. use copycat florges to nab reflect type onto tatsugiri. you’d have to set up magic room to use copycat w/ assault vest. or alternatively have a pokémon with symbiosis transfer the vest.
but as you said in the video, you get diminishing returns for changes to the base stats themselves. i doubt the number’s much different
Smeargle coming in clutch per usual
you could’ve also switched out alomamola for ting lu which would have dropped it a little bit more
I could never deal that little damage I'm just too powerful
Awesome video! At the end, shouldn't Endure + Water Spout be better for the calc? And also use Light Screen instead of Reflect?
Good question! Water spout would have the benefit of being affected by the 0.75 multiplier for multiple targets and being 1 power, but that's still actually more damage over all compared to the 0.5 times multiplier from burn and 15 power
@@KingTheLuck wait, Water Shuriken is an physical move?
Only in gen 6! Should have mentioned that in the video
@@KingTheLuck Oh wow, i did not know of that. You deserve way more subs bro!!
Thank you! I think if I keep making stuff like this I enjoy that people seem to respond well to my time will come eventually haha I've only been at this for 2 months now, I think I'd be delusional to think I should have made it by now already 😅
Use false swipe against a shedinja with chilan berry and using endure. Not only is it 4x nullified due to ghost typing,wonderguard, endured, and already at 1hp, it js also weaken by 50%.
So it does 0 damage... 0 times?
I’m thinking of a frustration set with the max friendship so the BP is 1, and have a mega aggron with 2 friend guards reflect max defense and everything
It's a little foggy so I'm not sure, but once somehow the enemy mon was so weak that when it attacked, it somehow didn't deal damage.
maybe it was the love mechanic where your pokemon love you so much that it will survive at 1hp. If it is already is at 1HP it will not receive any damage. It happened to me before
@@Rafa-ey6ve my Pokèmon was at full HP so that couldn't have been what happened
Maybe another option:
Use electrify on a burned happiny while she uses copycat on bind (10 base power phisical move).
The target should be a marvel scale zekrom with the added grass type, after a mud sport.
Of course there will be all the other stuff: +6, -6, evs, ivs, reflect, friend guard, rivalry
This is what happens when a pokemon is 1 level above you.
**Laughs in 0 damage*
*"missed attack" in Gen 1**
This video is insanely well done. How insanely long this must have taken, good job!:)
*false swipe on a 1hp Pokémon is actually calculated as 0damage*
In gen 1 if the damage of your move goes too low it just thinks the attack misses, so technically in gen one using poison sting from weedle on a max defense geodude from Brock results in 0 damage
0 damage when the pokémon thouget it out so you wont feel sad again on the second row
You actually got your stab using a fire type with eruption
Interesting! That's insane of all the setup you need to do, I got lost
You can also use ice scales on the opponent which will half Demeter from special attacks 🤓
hey! somewhat unrelated, but the most amount of damage said at the beginning is outdated. if shuckle uses power swap, skill swaps pure power, holds a metronome, converts to ghost type, has 2 flower gift mons in the sun as allies, has 2 helping hands, is at +6 and is tera ghost, using a 5050 base power last respects (via mimic) against a level 1 hoopa confined at -6 defense with a lonely nature, it will do 1,797,726,150 damage. it's all hypothetical of course, but you could do it on nat dex triple battles in showdown.
looking forward to the updated video with all the comments suggestions
Jokes on you I can always deal 0 damage by just clicking play rough
In gen 1 (i forgot if it is in other genrrations) you can "deal" zero damage. The game takes it a miss but you didn't miss, just dealt no damage
I don't know if I have any improvements ngl, I just figured that going to level 2 with a minus spa nature still gives you 1 spa at -6.
The level offset is still more powerful in thr formula than the lowered eruption base power from 13 at lvl 1 (11.5384615, I'm pretty sure it's 11 attack) to 9 at level 2 (9.375).
Hope you maxed out your torkoals hp, I calculated the lvl two bp with full hp invest as a given.
Laughs in miss and immune
The lowest damage you can do is mareanie poison sting on a gholdengo. It does half damage from the ghost time and 0 damage from the immunity. It does half of 0 damage, which is lower than regular 0 damage.
Final Gambit Shedinja the move works by doing damage equal to the user’s HP and well the Pokémon only has 1 HP naturally so it only does 1 point of damage.
False swipe on a 1 hp target, or any 50% current hp base damage move to a 1% hp target
Night Slash as an egg move on a level 1 Pokemon.
And here I thought the best way to reduce the damage taken was to K.O. the other pokemon before it attacked
If it’s possible, you could use water spout instead of water shurikan if you can get the status ‘frostbite’ from legends arceus
Wouldn't palkia be better than kingdra for this because it's bulkier?
Also if there's a national dex format that allows 3v3 maybe that could set up for more possibilities
You're actually so right! Palkia has 5 more base defence than Kindra, that's my mistake
I think the end result wouldn't be TOO different since I rounded it to 4 figures and the defence part of the calculation doesn't decrease the end result too much, but great catch!
Mega-Alakazam: IMMEDIATE DEATH
Idk man there's an easy solution. You start by putting on sun and lowering with leaf storm the sp.atk of a mew, while buffing the sp.d of a sableye. Later, you baton pass from the mew to a Magikarp and use splash, dealing 0.Ō damage
Focus miss and hurricane are my biggest weaknesses
Was looking to talk about eruption especially since it's a spread move
4:05 if you used a lvl 100 mew with one hp, to transform into the torkoal, it would keep the same, low defense stats, but would have 100 base hp. So when on one hp, eruption would deal a bit less damage.
it's zero, in gen 1, if an attack is "that" weak, it'll always say the attack missed, but if it's a critical hit, it's forced to do 1 damage
Shedinja learns final gambit btw
My only improvement would be using a toadscruel with reflect type on an opposing tatsugiri. You would also have to bring a klefki to set up magic room, so you can still hold the assault vest and use reflect type
I gotcha beat. Gen 1 through gen 99.
Standard magikarp uses splash.
False swipe in a pokemon with 1 hp remaining both hits and deals 0 damage which is interesting to consider in this scenario. I'm not sure how to feel
the least damage you can do with a single move is with any stat-changer move, such as growl or leer
The least amount of damage you can do is using a healing move on the Pokémon with highest hp stat you would be dealing negative damage to yourself
False swipe if the opponent is at one hp.
1 Damage, False swipe on a Pokémon with 2 hp left
The least dmg you can deal is 0 because of immunity.
What's the most "negative" damage you can deal? Using Pain Split, a Lv. 100 Alolamola with max EVs in HP could deal -267 damage, if the opponent is at 1 HP and could gain that amount.
Someone probably already said this, but you can get 0 damage in Gen 1, it will say it simply missed.
There’s false swipe when the opponent is at 1 hp
You should have added water sport
5:26 I wonder why you didn't type that one out.
Fun fact: Back in Gen 1, if a move dealt less than 1 damage, it would literally deal no damage, but then people could easily create softlocks if neither Pokemon can hit eachother, so they changed it to any damaging move deals at least 1 HP.
It’s 0 for immunities or misses
1 for bare minimum
I’m almost positive i had a wigglytuff do 3 stockpiles, baton pass to clodsire, 3 more stockpiles and clod ate a non stab u-turn for zero damage. Have to run calcs see what happened
What were the loadouts?