The Truth About Erik Ten Hag's Future At Manchester United
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- Äas pĆidĂĄn 21. 04. 2024
- Will Erik ten Hag stay as Manchester United? Here is an objective list of all the reasons Ten Hag will STAY and GO next season.
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I really want to know your opinion on this one in the comments. This video is not about my opinion, it's about hearing yours as a community.
I think ten hag should not stay coz his players always does the same mistakes that they were doing 5 or 6 months before
Some of the players should go too if ETH is sacked !!! Utd should Keep ETH, No more player power , give him 1 more season with proper backing and let the fringe players go. If it doesn't work then sack him !!!
â@@AbdulRehman_192 does that not say more about the players?
@@ste4392 yeah they shoukd also get kicked out
You can't blame the manager all the time players should stand up and be counted
Ten Hag took off two teenagers, in an injury riddled season, in a game in which we were leading 3-0. What is the point of keeping them on when we have a 3 goal lead.If they had not been taken off we would be blaming Ten Hag for not managing the young players properly. At some point it isn't about the manager. It's the players on the pitch that have to be held responsible. Rashford was miserable last night, he has been throughout the season. We need to sell him. There is a massive change going on in the club. If Ten Hag leaves, all the players get a second chance and we don't clear out. Last night, if anything was a clear indication of the players lack of confidence and ability to see out a game.
exactly, yet people just want to blame everything on the manager and act like the players haven't gotten previous managers sacked lmao
AWB? Really? â@@richyclubsport5155
100% spot on players get paid ridiculous wages and canât do the basics like 5 yard passes and closing down a man
Rashford was involved in the 2nd and 3rd goals scored by United.
2nd - great shot from right side of box, forced save of the match leading to corner scored by Maguire.
3rd - dribbles past several players, gets into the area, cuts back, is met by a defender, but Rashford forces error leading to Bruno picking up ball for 3rd.
You kids are embarrassing yourselves with this alternative reality đ€Łđ€Łđ€Š
â@@GordyB666 you're off your tits if you think that third goal was because of Rashford. He ran into trouble, got it stuck on his feet and Bruno had to take it off him and finish it
We will never go back to last seasons mid-block. The reason Ten Hag has switched to this style of overly exposed football is too see who can play the game he wants and who canât and this season Iâm sure weâve all noticed who canât. I believe sir Jim and ETH have placed the clubs future seasons far above the current one and ready to tear down this team to make way for the new one. ETH will stay and the team will improve next season but this is a long term project and I think all the parties involved have agreed on that.
I would like to think that you are right because despite all that has happened, I would like ten Hag to stay.
I hope you are right my friend, I really do. Was embarrassed yesterday, but hope there is a long term vision in the works that we just arenât aware of as yet.
So he's used tactics that can't work, and sacrificed being in the CL next year, and all the money that brings and the effect that has on recruitment...for some noble cause that's going to get him sacked? That makes no sense.
@@creepingbrain thats the point. We want players that want to play united not who just want to play in the champions league we have a whole squad of them now
@@TheWullsi Oh right, it gets better, according to you he's deliberately making us crap so that no player with aspirations of playing at the highest level will join us. We only want players who aspire to play in the Europa League or Conference league. Maybe he could get us relegated, that'll really sort out the men from the boys wont it.
People forget that United had their lowest points tally (58) in their premier league history before Ten Hag took over. Since then, he's won a trophy and taken us to 3 cup finals with the highest win rate of any United manager in history. This season we have the worst injury crisis in our modern history and we're still in an FA cup final. Anyone who's ever achieved anything of value understands that progress is non-linear. Adjust your expectations or become the next Arsenal.
Well said mate.. I remembered 2020/21 season when Arsenal were struggling miserably, fans were calling for the manager's head.. due to the belief and patience of their managerial board, now they're arguably the best playing football team.. thođwill be going trophyless this seasonâoopsâ.. My honest opinion is to let EtH try a season or so.. I strongly believe that after all that has been recruited behind the scene..Start working with the right footballing environment there'll great achievement coming.. let's be patient fellow RedĂ©vil like were the goonersâ€đčđ©
â@@idriskam4681 Yes I think we have to see this through. If Ten Hag fails then so be it, but chopping and changing will only drag us through the cycle even longer where we can go years without a trophy again. The important thing is that he's steadying the ship right now and deserves an opportunity to prove his football works.
Give Ten Haag a conducive working environment and manageable players and let us judge him from there!
Spot on pal đđđ
Because that would miraculously make him a half decent tactician, right?
But he wanted total control. He had the option of a better working environment with Ralf and turned it down. In terms of players, he's also brought 17 players to the club signing 10 permanently. Several have been disasters. A lot of this mess is on him.
Hmm, but can't the same be said about Murtough? Why exactly would you think he had to go, but ETH doesn't? Maybe he would as well have turned out to be a good sporting director if he was given a proper structure and not trapped between ETH and the Glazers?
@@eugenebelford9087 murtough has been upgraded say no moređas for ETH heâs proved at Ajax under a proper structure he can play good footy and win. So who realistically can united get thatâs an upgrade on ETH ?
Before calling for EtH's sacking, it's important to remember that these players got Ole sacked when Ole tried to change the style to a high pressing system and he admitted the players couldn't do it and stopping running.
So what did the board do after Ole was sacked? They appointed another manager that likes to play a high pressing system (even more so than Ole).
The problem was that the incompetent board failed in getting in the players to fit that system and relying mostly on the players that got Ole sacked was only going to go one way for EtH (especially with so many injuries).
With a proper DoF and getting in the players that can play a high pressing system (and players that have the right mentality and physical attributes), we'll see a big improvement. Until then nothing is going to change, it will contine to be a manager merry-go-round.
United fans talking these topics make a fool of themselves. Back the manager for atleast 3 years for him to establish his DNA or else we will always be in this loop. Simple as that!
The same players??
400m worth & 15 in of his own when you include his own with the loans. Quit with this b/s please..
He's also moved on over 50 during his time with us..
Head in the sand b/s
Well, you aren't wrong ... BUT the same can be said about Luton or Burnley or whomever: Give them "the players that can play a high pressing system (and players that have the right mentality and physical attributes), we'll see a big improvement".
It's like saying: "This cyclist would win the Tour de France if you just gave him a motorbike instead of a bicycle".
In Oles own words, the players gave up, some cried in the dressing room at half time and yet we still blame the managers.
@@stevenneary3407 It was ÂŁ400m because, as I said before, we had an incompetent board. A top DoF would never have spent ÂŁ400m on those players. How can you fail to understand that? To play a high pressing system you need the right players, we still don't have them, especially in CM and CB positions and in CM.we dont have anyone that can control the tempo or keep the ball. The fact we've had to rely heavily on Mainoo, an 18yr old in his first season in the first team says it all about the recruitment.
I think that the least 10 years has proven that simply sacking the manager does NOT solve the problems at the club...
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The most reasonable and level headed United channel amongst this chaotic season
On yesterday's game, Everyone saying it's ten hags fault but how can it be, the lineup picked itself, rashford/amad being the only contentious decision.
The subs also picked itself because there's no other options off the bench either.
Mainoo was tired and again rashford instead of garnacho off for antony probably the only decision that was incorrect yesterday.
Eriksen and Antony shouldn't be the reason why we conceded 3 goals yesterday in the last 20 mins.
The team let ten hag down yesterday, not the other way around.
I think Antony for Garnacho was a right call.
You're 3 up against the Nr8 Championship.
That game is done so you take off a player you can't miss to spare some energy.
You keep Rashford on in the hope he picks up a goal to gain some confidence for the final stage of the season.
You rest the players you need when the job is done.
With 3 up and 30min left the game should be done.
He's als just like Mainoo very young with also playing and starting every game.
If you play high intensity style that's really hard for a body that age to deal with.
If he didn't take Garnacho off and he gets a seasonending injury while being 3 - 0 up people will say Ten Hag is an idiot for not changing him and give him rest.
"team let down ten hag"
Ten Hag is playing a "tactic" that his squad definitely can't play. A good manager would see that and course correct. But Ten Hag has been slamming his bald head into a brick wall the entire season instead of doing anything in that direction
He's building young talents who have a impact on the ball
Any manager would have brought Garnacho and Mainoo through. Total no brainer.
Good work with this. It's a really tough call, but there comes a point where someone has to ask how many managers should be thrown under a bus by the players in this squad? SJR has already highlighted the environment.
IMO, he should be given chance to see out his contract.
Not one manager currently in Europe's top 5 leagues would've done any better with this squad and the injuries.
And as David Ornstein already said, if EtH wasn't already the incumbent and happened to be on the market this summer, United would be looking to get him in.
Give him a structure, see how goes.
If EtH doesn't want to work in that structure (you've said this yourself previously) then leave by mutual consent and move on.
Thatâs like saying no player in the world would have improved this team- thatâs just a lie, there are managers far better than ETH. Would they
Make this side champions? Probably not but they would do better than this
The players aren't throwing the manager under the bus. There's no lack of effort. What he's asking them to do isn't working, it didn't work in the first game of the season, and it still isn't working 9 months later.
IF ETH stays then we will have to give him a new contract, otherwise he will have no authority, and all this "will he stay or will he go" noise will continue right through next season.
That's the problem for Ineos, they can't go with a suck it and see approach, they can't just say lets give him a bit more time. They will have to fully back him with a new contract and spend hundreds of millions of pounds on new players for him. Would you do that? Are you that confident that ETH can turn things around next season?
@@creepingbrain The players aren't throwing managers under the bus? They've done that with Ole, Mourinho, even Rangnick they didn't try for. Stop trying to act like these players are great lmao
@@Espeo Managers sack themselves. This "player power" nonsense and "throwing the manager under the bus" nonsense is used to deflect away from the failings of the manager.
@@creepingbrain ok, if we use your "it wasn't working with (insert manager name here)" logic, how does that explain Moyes, LvG, JM and OGS? Some of this squad have played under the last 4 coaches. They're lacking either the football IQ, the willingness to improve, or the ability.
Either way, some of them need to go before this manager does.
Out of interest, do you think what EtH did in first season worked?
Although ETH has defo made quite a few mistakes, sacking him just means player power has won again - the cycle will then continue with the next manager. We need to rebuild the whole structure of scouts/coaching staff/academy rather than just switch the manager. Under SAF, player power never won eg Beckham, van nistelrooy, Roy Keane, Stam etc were all key players but were all let go after falling out with SAF. The club moved on from them and new replacements stepped in. Yes losing key players like this can be a loss but its better to rebuild than keep on the toxic environment
Unfortunately, Erik very obviously isn't a SAF though.
Player power had already won when he had a few bad results in the beginning and it was all clear that he needed results otherwise he would be sacked in his first season. As soon as a manager's job becomes conditional, the players don't fear his judgement primarily anymore.
@@richardjones8699 That's what the supporters seem to want, they undermine the managers to get confirmation they are no SAF. Beating Juve and Real Madrid with a financially very limited squad of that of Ajax is not something SAF has ever come close to achieving.
@@DenUitvreter looks like flukes frankly. He's certainly been found out a United.
@@richardjones8699 He doesn't have the untouchable position of SAF, that's what you found out, are you happy now? This is exactly what I mean. Most supporters seem to get a kick out of how hard is for managers there.
That's going to be your only kick for many more years. If it looks like flukes to you that is because you don't understand anything outside the PL.
100% behind ETH. We must have patience and stay on this journey. It was never going to be easy and I knew we would need at least 5+ windows to sort out the absolute sh*tshow left behind from the woodward era. We are going to have to fight our way back to the top over the next 3 years and I trust Erik to take us in to that battle đ
The problem is not the manager,3-0 up and blame the manager players should take responsibility period đŻ
I am also conflicted on ETH. Last season we played good football and he made good substitutes that regularly impacted the game positively, and it took us to 2 finals. This season he's changed the way we play and this tactic as well as our injuries have massively affected our game, however when Martinez and Shaw came back in January we performed really well there is a chance that our issues could very well be personnel, but the fact that we don't have key players and ETH is sticking to this system has costed us the season. On a positive note he's integrated high potential youth players in our team who could very well become mainstays in our team for the next decade and when we have our best players, we usually get results and play good football. And for that reason I think he deserves time to work under this new structure. The most important thing under any manager would be to clear out the players who are clearly past it or not good enough, and replace them with quality, hungry players and no doubt ETH will be successful.
Ten hag has failed to solidify the lads in to a working team , but itâs on the players more , keep up the work Sam top show mate đ
Failed would suggest itâs end of process, and not just the midst of one.
How many managers have failed to solidify this team ?? Seems like the common denominator are the players
@@steve0ization along with the structure, the owners and their motivations.
i believe tenhag has done everything to help these players emotionally and mentally. we see this with the Sancho saga and how much he risked to send a player out to reset himself in themiddle of the season. these players just no longer want to play for the club specifically Rashford. God knows how much i loved that kid with his work rate when he had just broken into the first team. but nowdays, he literally just walks on the pitch and is not ashamed to keep doing that game in game out. if they dare sack Tenhag, Rashford must follow him because he is just annoying to watch.
Definitely stay for EtH!
United we stand!
I think we should keep him at least 1 more season and see him without injuries and what he can do as a manager
I think eth doesn't have style of play because he's testing the players who is right for the next season
Ten Hag needs to STAY! We will be set back if we get a new coach and we saw how that process goes. His youth development qualities are really good and with the new people behind him I think we can manage in the next 3 years to win a big trophy.
Hey Sam huge fan of the channel since covid.. keep up the great work mate
Please Erik should be given another chance next season celestine from Nigeria
Whilst you canât blame Ten Hag for the signings themselves it does leave a big question mark over his talent identification. A manager who thinks Antony is a fundamental signing on the wing or after a season thinks Mason Mount is a CM is not a manager who has come to terms with the league theyâre in. Even buying Hojlund then not playing to his strengths often resulting in games where he doesnât get so much as a shot is a bad sign.
Heâs not the first manager to fail at a big club.
Have you seen Antony at Ajax? I can fully understand why he wanted him. But he is not good enough for the PL. But nobody knew that before they got him.
â@@dutchieq3059he wasn't that good there
A replacement for maguire was part of last summerâs plan. The club failed. Ten hag was left with a system he wanted to play and not enough suitable players to play it.
@@jgmediting7770 wrong Maguire said no
@@jgmediting7770 Maguire isnât related to the talent ID I was discussing but now youâve brought him up, imagine if he had left like EtH wanted, weâd be truly done for.
Iâm no massive fan of Maguireâs but Ten Hag treated him like crap last year & heâs bailed him out this year.
He has one year left on his contract, letâs see what he can do with that.
Good question Sam, and, I do like your poster on the wall behind you, "All power to Erik Ten Hag" đđ
I say he should stay not gonna lie what I have seen this season it's the player mentality that needs to change other than that he should stay
We have had a lot of bad luck with injuries. I remember a red card of rashford being 2-0 up in kopenhagen. The three last penalties. Without only these moments the season would be a whole a lot different. We would have been playing last 16 cl and been 4th of 5th now.
I think you expected a wonder. Eth have done so many good things. Instead of buying kane for short term succes he bought hojlund. For the first time in a decade there are now 3 players out of the youth acadamy in the starting eleven and still we're in the opprtunity to win a trophy.
I think the result so far are, compared to the sircumstance impressive and with a lot of exiting games for the good and the bad. You've been so exited so many times times this season. I finally feel that there is a team again now to be proud of. Please enjoy and with support the last games we might be ending up lifting a trophy!
How many managers do we have to go through before we realize theres sometning bigger going on? It can't be the managers fault each and every time. The managers weve had before haven't been the greatest but they've been thrown to the wolves just as ten hag is currently.
Hes had a multitide of players who have created unnecessary drama for him, a painstaking amount of injuries and players who are incapable of seeing out gsmes and making simple decisions and being able to keep a hold of the ball.
Its time we let a manager see out their third season, and see out their vision. And to that effect its also the last season on his contract so if its really bad we can let him go, but when ffp is also as important as it is right now, we probably can't even afford to pay him out should the club decide to sack him.
Got some valid points on both sides. Great video Sam
I agree with all those who say he should stay. The days when the club could have our pick of staff and players have gone, and a new head coach would be struggling from the start. I think he'll get one more season, but it will be curtains for him if he makes a mess of the summer window and the team starts off disastrously again. As an overall man manager I think he's as good as anyone else, and it's some of the players who need to go, and not just because their careers are over like Casemiro and Erikson.
This season, Erick Ten Hag has made some appalling decisions, which raises doubts about his management. However, a few players, as well as some other departments, like medical, coaches aren't good enough to for this club and the team. Regardless of how you interpret it, ironically, I don't believe he has surrounded himself with players who will allow him to fully realize his potential.
Yeah
My standards right now arenât high, theyâre quite low and heâs still failing to reach them.
Do I expect to play like prime Barca? No but the football isnât even half decent- itâs abysmal.
Do I expect him to unearth gems like Brighton? No but antony was disgraceful signing, Mount was unnecessary too, letting go of David for OnanaâŠ
Do I expect to be champions- no, I donât even expect a title challenge⊠but weâve barely even challenged for top 4!
Do I think injuries have been bad? Yes but I note Brentford has an entire 2nd string back 4 yet played us off the pitch.
Heâs still got a few games to show me something- but we canât get into a culture of giving people time just for times sake!
Hey Sam, thanks for the video.
Iâm at a loss but Iâll try and be objective as to how to rate this.
We are rebuilding our club from almost scratch and they wonât be in place till the summer or later. So - if the structure is preventative to success - that wonât change no matter the manager.
Also, repeating the same cycle has never worked. Plus there are no good candidates out there and INEOS might shoot them selves in the foot bringing in a failing manager.
But, the season has been a shambles.
There are mitigating factors - injuries, off field stuff etc
But. Surely ANY professional player worth its salt should be able to hold a 3-0 lead for 19 mins.
We canât expect a full squad every week to play well. So a lot of these players arenât good enough or fit enough or hungry enough or brave enough - or all of the above.
If ETH stays (or if he doesnât) weâd need a real spine of players who are mental beasts. And to fix the injury issues to allow consistency.
But without that heâll be gone by December.
Arsenal, City and Liverpool all have their manager time to build their own teams. ETH is a good coach. Just look at his Ajax teams in the champions league. He needs time to build his own team. And now he has a chance to do so with a good structure above him
I think it was a fluke that champions league run as real Madrid could have scored 12 goals in one of the games as Ten hag played that silly chaos football at Ajax aswell
Fluke and they almost won a treble ok boyâ@@sagethinker7168
I'm extremely torn with this. On one hand I think Ten Hag should be given at least another year under a proper footballing structure then take it from there & also it'll send a message to these players that they aren't gonna keep throwing manager after manager under the bus like they've done to previous ones. Also the way Ten Hag has brought youngsters like Garnacho & Mainoo through that's what we need to continue to do moving forward. I'm desperate for Ten Hag to succeed at United but I do admit the results & performances aren't there & that'll play a massive role in INEOS decision to keep Ten Hag or replace him. Rather reluctantly & with a heavy heart I've got a gut feeling he'll leave quite possibly by mutual agreement. Trouble is the grass isn't always greener & there aren't any standout options out there. The main problem is the players not the manager imo
Look at Ange and Unai, you don't need years for a team to have structure and to have a style of play, we have neither but nothing will change till we have the right players with the correct attitude.
The interesting thing is that this Yes and No list would look the exact same for Ole before he got fired, with almost the exact same items on the list apart from the change in structure.
But I think, apart from this list, the _real_ decision will depend on how the new regime wants to proceed, what style of football they want to play, and what kind of manager they want at the club.
Like will they want a manager who can "manage" and improve players?
Or will they want a manager who can create his own tactics, and adapt them in-game?
Or who will play a rigid style dictated by those above him?
I don't think the club were even capable of making a decision like this in the last 10 years because they were so clueless they didn't even know what they wanted a new manager to do, except maybe "go out there, do everything, and win."
But one thing I will say: it's kind of embarrassing seeing a club like Coventry being capable of making a tactical change to take control of the game, and United not being able to counter it and get control back.
It truly breaks my heart to say this, as I really thought we were onto something just one year ago from now. But I feel it really depends on Ten Hag's mentality at this point. To be honest, it looks like he is cornered (ofc he would be) and just losing his main strength in the debate across managers post fergie: he was the only manager that had proper control of the game and tactics. We say Ole ball was good looking back in his winning streaks away ( doubles agains city) etc. but to be honest, that team although performing better than the current united team I just could not picture ever pulling a title race properly. last year I could seriously see us in a few years to do that. I do agree with sam that the chaos is a purposeful choice but I don't think he thinks this is a long term plan. I think in training he sees that a lot of these players just do not have the legs or the will power to perform the way he demands them to play high-press football. Sure, some of them do (Bruno, Hoijlund, Mainoo have been my faves from this aspect) but most of the lot don't. And he just looks lost. So, I think we should stick with him if he wants to stick to this club and give it all he's got. But if not, we should part ways for both him and us.
For me its important to know how a manager wants to play and then select players that fit the profile. It looks like the objective given to ETH is to win get in top 4 as a minimum and some cup finals, if possible a title. He is meeting the requirements make no mistake( with some injuries this season top 4 is gone anyway) but as a football fan I am enjoying how he is doing it? well it gives me pain to see this team shipping goals like crazy. I think its the same thing with previous managers as well. Jose was pragmatic in terms of getting results, Ole has got results initially with counter attacking football didnt last long then he only had manutd history to talk about and now ETH trying to be brave and getting lucky every time. Not sure if he is given time with not many players being released would change anything next season. The centre backs needs to go, a midfielder is a must and a striker and a right wing or ETH should go then a change in manager would bring some freshness
In my mind, it's a 3 step process.
1. Get the structure in place, with Ashworth (or whoever is Director of football) the key.
2. The DoF needs time to assess the club and decide on a style of play (and as a side note, the time that takes means we should just pay the Ashworth compensation, because whatever it is will be cheap compared to the money we'll waste in recruitment until someone sorts that part of the structure)
3. The DoF decides if ten Hag is a fit for that playing style, and either keeps him or finds the replacement.
If you sack ten Hag before that list is done, who's picking the new manager? Not the person deciding how we play,so you waste another 2-3 years. So he stays until the DoF can assess it all, to inform the choice.
I Think Ten hag knows there will be a huge Overhaul of players in the Summer...Maybe He's been Trying to see How many players in the current team can Really Adapt,,Change,,Transition
how many have the standards he needs for his play style..
I used to be save the manager side but now after a few games, i start to question if he is the right man to tackle these players' problems?
Now it seems the seniors aint carry much weight compared to the upcoming youngsters but still able to keep the game time despite very poor performance. The manager still decided to play them which is against his strict rule/more toward favourism.
if he get the go to for next season, he should be able to present what he's going to do to fix these players' problems. And i totally agree that sack him will get us back to square one but still he need to show us he has a game plan for next season how/where he want to tackle these players.
I honestly don't know so I'll leave it to Ineos to decide because he's been so confusing man. Everything's been so confusing.
ETH has some good elements. But biggest weaknesses are two: 1. ETH refusal to maintain Rangnick as consultant. He (Rangnick) had a good assessment of the extent of transformation and could shield ETH as a candid boardroom partner. 2. ETH era transfers are poor.
Sam I thought we agreed to âgive him timeâ.. He did an excellent job in his very first season, now everyone is acting like heâs responsible for all of the problems of the club
He should be given another year with at least 6 new signings 2 center backs & 2 center midfielders & striker and a left back i also want a right back but only if we sold bissaka then we decide by the end of the season ,
This man deserves another chance no one better than him available to sign
I'm 50-50 about the manager. But I'd add to the Go section - Stubbornness. He didn't change the style of play to accommodate to the available players. My way or the highway.
Sam do no forget that Arteta went down a number of times, Klopp went down a number of times, as well as many managers have went down but still they got a season and it has proven that not everything is a smooth sail, there will be bumps along the way but still, as long as we know what the vision is for the club, then we are heading in the right direction. Erik ten Hag is that man to take us not entirely to that vision but lead us there. Erik ten Hag does not have all the players to play the way he wants. Erik overachieved last season so the expectation was high. It would not be fair to get rid of Erik ten Hag when he has shown us what he can do. Many fans lost faith in Sir Alex Ferguson but through the club's faith, he succeeded.
I still believe in ten hag, its the same story with most of the fans who are not patient with things, we have always being critisizing the manager saying no tactics, dumb subs, with not just him but with all the managers that have been here (jose, ole, van gaal, ragnik and now tenhag) do you really think its these managers that dont have tactics? Or is it the fans that dont have brains to think and see the real picture.
âConflictedâ is definitely the best word choice I can possibly think of to describe me tbh thoughts on EtH. Part of me thinks, give him another season, with the right structure and hierarchy, one more full summer to mould this team, and see where we end up. But the other part of me thinks we should be breaking away from this chaos and start completely from scratch. But, again, who do we get to replace him. We would be looking for another EtH, to replace EtH, that is doing what we thought EtH would do đ€·đœââïž
Give him last and final chance under ineos .
Another thing to consider is ETH's compensation should he be sacked before his contract is done. Can we really afford to pay out his contract AND pay another coach/manager? To avoid fines for FFP, it may be that we have no choice but to keep him through his contract and have the structure in place. Then and only then can we get a true assessment of his capabilities while maintaining our financial integrity. And I know I have been saying it and I guess nobody pays attention to me because what does a US MU fan know....GET RID OF THE GERIATRICS!!! Get some youth in there who will run and will play for the badge. Just make sure they are mentally tough and play, as you stated in one of your videos about Rooney, with channeled anger! Play with a chip on their shoulder and go out there and prove to the world they belong on the first team! Just build the club for a sustainable competitive future where we are always in the conversation like we used to be.
this is exactly what it means to have patience, the ride will be rough and it is not easy to be unwavering.
the surrounding conditions that hampers all past managers are still there, and nothing yet has changed until those guys get into the door.
it gets worst before it get better and dont run into the wrong solutions but fix the underlying problem.
This is the best presentation on a football channel ever.Well done sam
Give him 2 summer and injury free season. No point getting a new manager now considering the underlying structure and player are still the same for new manager. Why not let him run down his contact and see what it really capable of.
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Anything other than a LONG term decent manager will be a waste of time. Give INEOS a bit of time to sort the Senior Management, then and only then its either the team and/or the manager. Common sense says manager first then players but who knows. Some players need to go now it would seem. One more season and I fully EXPECT to see some progress on the pitch. I think last season made us expect better this season but we did dip alarmingly at the end of last season, and yes injuries etc. but NO excuses next season. I EXPECT to get a more solid foundation next season, more robustness as a team. I wont bitch about losses and draws as long as we look better and can build upon it. I am afraid you cant build on chaos.
I personally think ETH will still be a Man United manager next season he won't be replaced but the next season will be much better because the club will have new management and Erik will be much more relaxed with only focusing on the players đżđŠ
I know this is off topic, but did anyone else realize AWB has almost cost us another game with individual errors.
That handball was the second penalty he conceded in 3 games, both completely unnecessary.
And he almost played their man onside to lose us the game.
I thought he was improving under Ten Hag, but at this rate he's a huge risk.
I know AWB was awful yesterday and in the last few games, but I will give him the benefit of doubt due to not playing his natural position.
@@joeljoseph7966 It's not his overall performance I'm worried about, it's his decision making.
Wether he plays LB or RB shouldn't matter for staying on the same line as the rest of your defense. Neither should it change the fact you don't flail your arms around wildly inside the box or make a risky tackle when there is no risk of a shot.
U kidding? AWB made about 10 overlaps in the first 15 mins n rashford didnt pass to him once. Starting to think theres no trust/maybe even some dislike? Hes playing out of position for no reason when him n dalot are better suited on opposite sides. No way his fault for that penalty. Cant believe u actually blame him for a handball that was behind him n hes looking to close down.
@gingermarshy007 Could he not just keep his arms at his side like every other defender does when closing a man down?
He does a lot of things well, but he's costed us big by making mistakes he shouldn't be making.
@@lucasvanwijngaarden670 its unnatural. The rule has been changed to create more goals n thus excitement n talking points. Its quite amazing how many times we have been screwed by refs/var this season for these 'handballs'/diving. n u blame the player for trying to do his job?
Thank you for the video, Sam! My argument here would be that, we can't pin most of the factors on the 'GO' section on Erik Ten Hag, because most of them are consequences of the factors mentioned on why he should 'Stay'
I would give him another chance for one more season to see how he manages under, hopefully, a better incoming set up. After that well, we'll see!
Up to and winning the Caraboa Cup last year United were flying, gunning for an outside shot at the Premiership title, Rashford flying in all departments and then came the 7-0 thumping by you know who. Its been downhill since despite being in another cup final. Youre right about fragile mentality.
The only manager i want is Mckenna from Ipswich. Great coach knows United and with a great structure around him i believe we would have a young manager with bags of potential and thats what we havent tried yet.
I hope he gets another year with all backroom staff in place, but if we get hammered in the final I think they will get rid, and here we go again.
I hope ineos arenât so terrible at managing a football club that they make such short term, reactionary decisions.
I can argue against every GO point that you had while the STAY points are more or less just facts. This is a good approach at looking at things but most of the bad is because of the record breaking number of injuries for United that have stunted the progress that we had last year.
I really hope that Erik ten Hag knows what he is doing because it seems like most of us can't see it. I trust our new leadership to make the right decision on him, whatever it may be.
I could not agree more with your list. You have pointed out why he should be given a chance to stay and why he should not be given a chance. I know that Man utd have had a lot of injured players through out the season, but my question is " isn't it the Manager's job to come out with a suitable formation for the team?". Man Utd had injured players who were most likely the first line-up players at the beginning of the season. As a result, Man utd played bad. That's not the manager's fault. The manager had no control about it. However, the manager must know or must be aware that he would or might not get back players that are in the first line-up as the PL campaign approaches to mid-season or end of season. As a Man Utd fan, I would like the manager to create a formation that suits for the players that are available. Instead, Man utd fans have been witnessing the chaos football. Like you mention in the video, the chaos football play style is not working for Man utd.
Problems last season are still there this season. If you are not keen enough. Rashford was carrying the team last season with about 1 goal a game. And when his 1 goal a game wasn't enough super sub Garnacho was there to energise things. I said it very clearly, we're in trouble if Rashford's form dips and we can't rely on 1 man every game. If Ten Hag can't fix that 2 seasons in, he's not the right man. We're lucky to have McTominay deep runs from midfield helping us score goals but that creates defensive imbalance which is why you see unwanted stats like we've faced many shots this season. We needed Casemiro to be that man shielding the defense, I say he has failed terribly after picking up a bunch of yellow cards. He's not the same man maybe because they spoke to him about the cards
I'm definitely for STAY, at least for one more season. Hurry never brought us absolutely anything. "We've been here before", it's the same thing.
We shan't forget that he achieved to recover Maguire from his abysmal phase. He was also the only one that brought in a proper centerforward to the team. Under his management, even McTominay discovered a goalscoring proficiency that wasn't there before in the McFred era. Casemiro was ALSO a very good signing, a good player to make the transition between "we need the team to function NOW until I can find someone to replace him long term". His last season confirmed that. Nobody could expect that his next season would be so subpar in comparison.
What he needs is to find out what's the problem that is causing the injuries and bring in a world class defensive mdifielder and two central defenders for the back. He also needs to get rid of Casemiro, Eriksen, Martial, Evans, Lindelöf, Van de Beek and bring in a world class left winger (Kvara...?), so he could bench Rashford without reducing our firepower. That'd make the team work better.
Tricky. Didn't Ten Hag want to get rid of Maguire, Maguire refused to go and forced his way back into the team partly through injuries to others and partly through good play. It now looks like a mistake to have let Fred go! I think Ten Hag overachieved last season but this season has been a real disappointment.
Heâs not the manager we need long term, but heâs the manager that we can use right now. Until the new structure is in place and embedded we need to just carry on as is and not introduce more chaos by bringing in a new manager. Give him a 1 year extension
He deserves to be the manager in a good football structure
Exactly why he is going back to ajax
I won't be surprised if Bayern asks him for managing bayern fc
@@ammarhussainvirani4479 i will be glad guy cant make positive subs to save his life!
The reason ETH insisted on changing from head coach to manager is because he didn't want to have to contend with the chaos/lack of structure of the board/club as previous managers had to do! He also thought that he could get more from Rashford than previous managers, he couldn't, neither could he drop him often enough because the Glazers employ an American approach to signings, that is, their star players have minimum minutes and games imbedded in their contracts!
I donât know Sam, I donât know đ€·đœ what to think anymore. I like your points as theyâre all valid and make sense to me, but still canât decide.
To me I feel the stay reasons slightly outweigh the go reasons. Especially the last two, given our financial situation and the changes we can let him see our his contract gives our structure to settle down and we go from there.
As for the injuries remember cr7 said there's no improvement in the gym equipment and training facilities same old technology for the past 15yrs
Remember this fact - supporters were calling for Sir Alex to be jettisoned prior to him winning the FA Cup in 1990. But once he'd got rid of the dead wood he started to flourish. YES, one more season for EtH, definitely!
For me personally. If Ten Hag can copy with the FA cup final and Manchester win one more trophy under him. Than hi should stay, and he should be given second chance. But if Ten Hag loses in the FA cup final, he can't never recover from that as a manager. And also there's a lot, for me good managers out there, waiting for Manchester United job, like Carol Encelotti or Emery
I don't even know what to think right now.
I'd like to say a manager shouldn't have to explain how to hold on to a lead. But with how easily we concede goals when we're ahead it seems like it is necessary and it's damning that it keeps on happening.
What I am certain about is that a good percentage of players should not be at this club anymore. So I'd like INEOS to focus on that part at least as much as on the manager.
I still think ETH will be given one season under the new setup to prove himself. Yes how the team has played this season has been madness and yet they have reached back to back FA Cup Finals. 3 Finals in two seasons is the kind of things most over clubs dream about. I think the number of players out long term during the season will also be taken into consideration - 1st choice LB, 1st choice CB etc....
Stop focusing on EtH. It's the players and we need almost a complete overhaul that will take years before we see a team that is a regular title contender and just like our stadium that now needs tearing down because of neglect, is the perfect analogy of our playing squad that has been left to rot.
And yesterday where we surrenderd a 3 goal lead was on the players weak mentalities and lack of leadership on the field and having nothing to turn to on the bench.
Changing the coach will achieve nothing and will actually set us back so give him one more year with an INEOS structure and it won't be hard to beat this season but I think we'll see a massive improvement.
Players need a shakeup before manager does, manager can wait a season longer because you both see if a better injury season and some more signings/youth help transform us, if not then we can consider manager change. Decision making has been poor especially in game, no doubt, but I don't doubt after the OGS interview and what we have seen that the player mentality and politics are influencing things beyond pure decision making
I just think he works better with a younger squad. It seems like his disciplined approach works with players who are impressionable. Proof is in the pudding, players with high reputation dnt look like they are buying into it.
If heâs meant to be possession based manager, Rashford, Bruno etc (because thereâs many more players who are terrible at looking after the ball n progressing play in the way he intends.
Give him chance.. let him work with proper structure. We all know what he can do with this team.. Injury is the main reason.. but he has to make some important decisions too for next season.. some players are not performing he has to get rid of those players...
I loved Erik Ten Hag and thought he had appreciated the type of a role he took. For him to accept poor performance and make the team fail to progress in UCL, to not be aggressive in his subs and technical abilities. For the team to get this porous in defense and for him to not be inspiration for players like Amad, Bandiyir even in this injury stricken period that he is not able to trust some of his own signings with a first choice in the team... is rather devastating. He needs to go.
For me Eth should stay
1. Injuries I think has impacted largely on the playing style which we saw last season hence he had to shift to this style
2. Some of the players generally who are still in the club from a tactical approach are not what Eth needs that's clear. To add on the mentality of these players is so weak
3. Can some explain why when licha and shaw are back on the team suddenly united look stronger ? For me the lack of leaders players to rely on is Eth's worst setback who can constantly deliver and have experience
I'm going with out and some players will have to follow even if they go at a lower price. I'm getting tired of this nonsense of how much worse we are doing this season. Too many repeated mistakes in matches for all my liking when things could have been better, its both on the coaches and players. Start something brand new for next season. Who they bring in, is down to them on who they get is best fit for the club and their vision
Please INEOS should give him next season at least. He is a top manager and will definitely do well in the right environment, which means a structure over him and getting rid of most of these players. First to go from the playing squad, RASHFORD!! If he stays, he shouldn't be a starter from next season. Trashford..
Do we know if Ten Hag agrees with, and wants to be a part of, INEOSâs approach to revolutionizing United? That seems to be a key âstay-goâ point that was not fully explored in an excellent video.
One reason Klopp worked well at Liverpool is because he wanted to be part of the project. I expect that a successful manager at United needs the same buy-in.
Critics urging for Ten Hag's dismissal should consider the ramifications of constant managerial changes on team stability and performance. How can we expect long-term success if we don't allow a manager sufficient time to implement their strategies and overcome obstacles?
This crisis at Utd has always been there on different phases and dynamics. Then everytime an integral part of this crisis occurred it was pointed to the Glazers. Somehow because Ineos took over the footballing side of Utd we have forgotten the crisis left by the Glazers. Now because they are out of sight partially, we looking for another individual in the form of ETH to inherit this crisis. Ineos is building a proper structure around the club and for once after a while ETH must lead under it free from the crisis that hasn't gone away completely. The damage by the Glazers has gone far too deep to be only rectified in a space of Ineos taking over till now
Erik should be given next season for all the reasons in your stay column.
Hopefully Dan Ashworth will sort out the medical dept to give ETH a fuller squad to pick from.
I donât think not qualifying for champions league is that big of a deal.
If we get the Europa League spot, but starting playing better next season, I would be very happy, because then, in 2026, we would be prepared to the champions league and not bottle in the group stage.
Also if we in the FA cup, would be huge, because itâs a Derby against City and an FA cup.
I think Ten hag should be managing for One more season, but is becoming more hard to defend him, hopefully this FA cup come or we finish at least in 5Âș to get Europa League spot, because even tho I think qualifying for Europa league is okay (like Liverpool did last season) qualifying for Conference league or not even qualifying for European competition is a SHAME!
Mainly the media is shouting he must go and influence the supporters. You can not blame it on training. These players are proffesional players who signed huge contracts and must do their job. Injuries are causing a serious problem for any coach in any sport. He should at least get another season as getting systems in place is not obtained by pushing buttons. Players should get good performance bonuses in stead off big contracts.
We've been so dreadful that I can't see him staying and it feels like there is momentum towards him going at this point. For which reason I guess I'd like him to stay ! In that we've been down this road repeatedly for 10+ years and it doesn't get any better swapping manager every year. Ten Hag is relatively young manager who's won a few things and had some success, we were desperate to get him at the time. He did very well last season, Casemiro was a revelation at CDM - look at how so many players have gone AWOL for him this year. If you have some of your best players just out injured or performing very poorly, then it isn't all on the manager. Martinez, Shaw, absent and 2 of our best last year. Rashford, Casemiro, either absent or just well, well below standard. We're not talking about fringe players are we, these are the one ones that would change games and win them for us. I think more credit should be given to improving and managing Garnacho, he has really progressed a lot since last year (and obviously still has much to improve on). Also Dalot, another player who has stabilised and matured into a much more solid and consistent figure. There are few players we see every game who are giving it 100% even when we're in difficult times... you'd say Fernandes, love or hate, he's always there trying. I acknowledge we're playing absolutely crap and that falls on the manager but he's just being let down so much on multiple fronts as well. I think he has to be given another season with a better structure behind him, get rid of the DEAD WOOD, we need fresh blood.
His style of play need young players who are willing to run as it was evident at his time at Ajax. Eth will fit perfectly at a team like Chelsea with the young players they have.
Get the season finished, get the structure of the club right with these new directors and establish a proper direction. See if Erik can begin to implement the style and culture that the club wants. If not, he goes and we get someone who does fit that. If he does, then he's already got an established relationship with most of the squad, the youth will start to get more opportunities and we can finally see if it was the players who chucked the previous managers under the 'bus'!!
I think the change of ownership does affect the players. Being United, we are being scrutinized by the media in micro to gain viewership and those critics by ex-players made things worst
Personally, I would like to see him get 1.5 seasons before a decision is made. There is enough there to warrant extending him the courtesy but I would not cry foul if he got let go.
My concern with firing him is that he becomes a scapegoat for all the other problems. I would be dissapointed if he got fired and there was no big change in the roster.