INEOS Will Make Their Erik Ten Hag Decision Based On This...
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- Äas pĆidĂĄn 4. 06. 2024
- Trust and belief are at the core of whether INEOS keep Erik ten Hag as Manchester United's manager next season, and both of them are trending in the wrong direction right now...big time.
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The most important question to ask is this: Do you trust that Erik ten Hag is the right man and have belief that next season it'll work if we have a strong summer and with less injuries in a better working environment? These are the 2 thoughts that will be driving INEOS' decisions.
No
No
Klop 10years 1 explains, 1 champion ND recent EFL cup.
Yes he is the right man
Not anymore. This is the charge of the light brigade again and again. A manager's goal should be to get points; style and tactics is a method to do that. But for him the points are secondary, style number one. Our players are good people, simple people, morons (not really). Either they're being told to do something they can't handle doing or they're not being told what to do and just run around. A good coach should be able to McGyver something to get something out of the players he's got; it shouldn't all be about the players he hasn't got.
Players need to take accountability for executing the plan. Mourinho once said it "I can't do the thinking for you"
Players must take responsibility, you must ask the cristal palace players, why they played so badly under Roy Hudson, and now under the new manager everything change. They even beat man. Utd by 4 clean goals. Now who is to blame players or the coach. Don't lister to ten hag, he always blame players when they lose. It's his habit.
What plan?
You can see one?
9 players out of 11 who started the game never played for ole or rangnick. 10 if you include amrabat. So however youâre trying to spin it. Ten hag needs the boot in the face
Mourinho likes to blame players when results are poor. When team wins then he was mastermind of the victory.
I don't understand some coaches. When the team wins they make attribution to their tactical approach. But if teams loses then they make attribution to external factors. Such as we have to many injuries or players mistakes and decisions making. Instead maning up and say it's my fault we perform poorly today. Why do we have an academy. The reserve team is established exactly for that reason. If the first has to many injuries then u select and bring in some youth players to the first team to fill in gap. I Remember one season when Sir Alex use approximately 60 players for first team. I think Ten hag has trust issues with younger players.
That was hags players so don't go down that route. He's a failure
I still believe Ten Hag is the man...didn't we all believe he was the man last season? All of a sudden we feel he isn't world class anymore..really?
True. Also considering Utd's 65 injuries and the rotten structure behind the scenes, who in their right mind would want to sack any manager before they even finish 2 whole seasons ?
Unfortunately the bird brained fans get influenced by the media because 90% of them can't think for themselves
Some United fans have short memory. I also believe Ten Hag is the man. All of us, fans need to have patience. The team is currently in a process. It needs time and patience. Some United fans are so impatient. All they want is instant success but that is not how things work. I trust in Ten Hag.
Frankly, yes he obviously isn't the answer. Notwithstanding that, results will see him off this summer. It's unsurviable. We've got the gooners, toon and citizens coming up (and Brighton). They've been absolutely thumping teams. We're heading for at least one pasting maybe more. The clamour to get rid will be massive.
@@richardjones8699 We could lose the next 4 games, and I'd still rather have EtH stay for another year.
The real question is "Is the player right for the job" answer = absolutely not
So Erik has been given ÂŁ400m to spend and none of the players are right for the job? Our best player is playing for Dortmund tonight in the Champions League
Ineos are obviously aware and have said they intend to get players out and in. There has to be a realisation he's part of the problem too though.
â@@StephenC1908Sancho hasn't been close to being our best player under 3 different managers.
including the 16 player he bought, 2 players he gave payrise to, or 3 he promoted?
are you intellectually challenged? onana, evans, casemiro, eriksen, mainoo, mount, garnacho, hojlund, antony started that game. 9 out of 11 players were there only because of ten hag. ole and rangnick didnt touch any of these players you mug đđ
â@@StephenC1908 so Eric is involved in Player recruitments and negotiations? Wow
Sam, i watch/ follow you for a long time now. Good content en info, but i disagree if we sack the manager now. He came a long way with this squad and the club needs a long way. So much problems cant be fixt in one year. Citys Arent build in one day or one year. You need to have patients. The manager and the team will grow in time and will have set backs. This year is one of them. We need to have more fait and dont become like the glazers or fans/ media who judge right away. Man utd will come and rule again in the premier League, but you need to have belief in that. I trust this manager and i am confident he will succeed in his and the clubs mission. I hope Jim will see that too. I think everybody is so emotional about this club and want it to succeed, they forget to be logical and patient. Support your club and stay confident till the end. The manager & then players need there fans more then ever. Greetz from holland.
Hi, mate. I was wondering, how is Ten Hag seen in his homeland? What do the Dutch media think & say about how he is doing & how he is being treated by the media in England?
â@@OJStubbs1888 There is some talking about man utd and ETH but not much, and most of them are media and former footbalplayers. They are worried that ETH is not gonna make it because of the results. But there a lot of people who are behind Erik because of his philosophy, work rate and what he did by is former clubs. Ajax would love to get him back, but other club will also love to take him. In Holland we see man utd struggling but the media is only talking the same way as the media in Britain. But the real fans see through that. I follow Sam quit some time. So that gives me more perspective from more sides. So thats why i see there is a lot of emotions by man utd fans, older former players. The media wants this to happen, this gives them stories and another chapter for stories. A new manager will get the same treatment as ETH. Man utd knows that road. So it will repeat. Let ETH do his job and go get better next Season. And lets hope for new young players, and some good signings.
I agree, lets not forget also Eric has received a lot of bad luck with injuries, you tell me we would be discussing this if the butcher /shaw/linda/Maguire/ varane etc where available all season,being rotated.
Plus its a young squad & certainly showing signs of quality from the young kids parts of the season?
Eric knows who needs to go, give him more time to build!
Some United fans have short memory. I believe Ten Hag is the man. All of us, fans need to have patience. The team is currently in a process. It needs time and patience. Some United fans are so impatient. All they want is instant, quick success but that is not how things work. I trust in Ten Hag.
It's been TWO YEARS and ÂŁ400m. That's a lot of time and money to be actually worse.
â@richardjones8699 are you stupid how long did it take arteta and arsenal look at them now use your brain
â@@richardjones8699 yeah man, only money and time matters in football đ
@@bf1716 results have been poor and more importantly performances have been abysmal. We've been lucky in lots of games. We could easily be 12th the way we're playing.
@@richardjones8699 You mean the toxic players that run the club and have got successive managers sacked are playing abysmally. Hmmm almost like there is a pattern with Man Utd players.
Just another time a United team have thrown the manager under the bus whoever it is. About time this stopped and if the players don't actually want to play a game of football for United for 90 mins they should go elsewhere as many us of when we were kids dreamed of that and weren't fortunate enough to do so. I don't see Ineos reaction to that of anything other than total bewilderment, this is what, a week after they've potentially been told by the media they all gone - a bit more of a chance of that happening now!
You are saying the players did. Not do their job. Did you know that most of the players are newly bought by ten hag. That means his own players did not perform for him. So Don't blame the players. One say that the club must not change manager so often, don't forget this is real world, you can't perform out you go. Look at the championship club, they too change coach when in need.
I love and respect ur videos Sam keep it up, Iâm the same with Andy Mitten this is not the final straw nd Iâm here for the Erik Ten Hag 3rd season nd rebuild đ
Not even Pep could get a tune out of the our current squad. Top that with the injuries, egos and general instability of our club what do you expect.
Stand by the manager
Pray we have a good transfer window and at least wait to see what happens next season.
Idiots
Agree with you bro. Give EtH a decent squad of fully fit, discipline and respectful players like in 2022-23 season. If a young Ajax team drg his time there could win the Eredivise for 2 consecutive seasons why canât some seasoned campaigners at United do even better in the EPL? Give that guy another season and a fresh and complete squad with less injuries.
@@mutangpadan5311 you are deluded
They did it to Ralf, Jose, Ole and ETH.
How many more do we need to witness. Itâs not the manager. Itâs the players. The senior players.
They have downed tool again.
100% my point. Man United fans are always quick to forget.
This same manager said it's disrespectful that news as come out that ratcliff want to get rid a lot of these players lol
@@kontext4277 he has to say that. Privately he's expressing different opinions to the management.
Ralf Didnât do Anything, ETh got one League cup cmon now
@@clucas101 both him and a lot those players need to go if you want to win any major titles again
Sam you may have lost faith with Eric but there are thousands of us that haven't.
You are idiots
You can pack your bags and join ten Hag at his next club. Sick of you ten Hag / Manager FC fanboys. Bye đ
@@OCastaneda16 Why I have supported this club since 1958 so you piss off.
Then you absolutely deserve this manU team. ETH tells you to put your head into a fire and you do it. Such a weak individual. He tells you the big picture is really good and you go for it. You are sold. Absolutely deserve this manU performances. Good luck in championship soon. Clubs like Real Madrid would have a proper riot all over the city if a guy like that would be in charge. But manu fans just bend over and blame casemiro in all their worries.
@@timberhoff Man Utd fans of this generation are really stupid
Ten Hag is the man and we need to support him now more than ever. Weâve supported these players for to long and we know they are not good enough.
Half the team were ten Hag signings yesterday
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@@afro.thunder who Onana, Antony, Casemiro and Hojlund. Thatâs 4 players. Look at the other managers and what they have at their disposal.
Onana, antony, casemiro, hoilund, mount,erikson, brought in amrabat. Half of the squad
@@user-yp9ne7yn5u you said half the team was his. It was 4 players that were his on the pitch and Casemiro was playing at centre back cos of our injuries issues. Whatâs your point? Ten Hag doesnât have half a starting 11 thatâs his let alone a squad to rely on!
It's so easy to say sack the manager as far as im concerned United's problem is not particularly managerial it's a whole lot of different things yea he been stubborn and made some strange decisions. The next manager won't suddenly come in snap his fingers and suddenly we're beating everyone nah ain't gonna happen
I'm indifferent as to whether he stays or goes. I'm more interested in the massive squad clear out that's been needed for years now.
I share your thoughts,but I want him to stay so the players, especially the young players don't interpretate his sacking as their power. In my opinion if I was ETH, I would ask them to give me three year contract or sack me now. Give him now three years contract and put power into his hands, and not the players.
@@TomRiddle-hn2qz With all due respect, that's crazy. In an attempt to prove a point the club should reward him for failure (this season is on him too, not just the players ) AND make him more expensive to fire if he needs sacking? No way.
Fire him or leave him as is. Refresh the squad with better players and if he does well, offer him a new deal. If he doesn't sign we'll have a good squad with European football to look forward to. If he does sign then we get to move forward.
But if he doesn't do well then he can be fired at low cost or his contract could be left to expire. Either way the club holds the cards and it should stay that way.
@@cmc787 But the failure as we now from history it's not manager dependent. We know these players don't have mentality to fight. With Ole we were title contenders until we lost from Shefield and all went down from there. Also we were fighting before for top four in his first season when he was interim, in the end happened Everton and Brighton and we missed top four. This is clearly players failure on their mentality and weak people need to be shown the stick. Give power to the manager and in fear they will kneel.
There are 9 different players in the squad, why do you talk about clear out been needed for years, the Saviour Erik was going to fix all this with his players, even they won't play for him now. People need to take their hands away from their eyes and see reality, Ten Hag is a con artist, not a pl quality manager, The Glazers made another wrong decision.
@@TomRiddle-hn2qz poor decisions on players and managers, made by none other than the Glazers and their clowns
He is the man đŻ player are not right people need to stop throwing the manager under the bus
He's brought in 17 players signing 10 permanent at a cost of almost ÂŁ400m. That's a lot of money on players to the be actually worse.
Fool
I canât believe we are still talking about Erik when we all saw the effort on the pitch. It was never a 2 year job. Letâs talk about the average, aging or pay merchants signed by this club.
Ten Hag has signed or at least overseen the signings of players like that.
We've seen this scenario more than any other clubs in europe. Changing manager wouldn't make any difference anymore. We want a complete rebuild. First, clear all the lazy players out and then make a good quality squad with potential to win us some big cups in the span of 3 or 4 years. And keep Tenhag for next season and if these kind of things happen again, sack him. And more importantly, we want a good MEDICAL TEAM.
Ten Hag doesnât deserve any more money. Heâs pissed away 400 million.
It get's worse before it get's better. Remember that.
I still think ETH needs to see his 3 rd season.We need to go further into a project than 2 seasons and a few months in order to actually gauge if we are in the right path. We always arrive at the same path every 2 years when things get tough and bow out for something new . The cycle is boring . Stick it out with the manager and letâs go deeper into the project and then evaluate if we are on the right path or not.
We are statistically one of the worst teams in the league. And the worst weâve been in the post Fergie era. Ten Hag doesnât deserve any more money or time. Itâs over.
I guess I can see both sides of the argument. If you sack him now, regardless who's managing the team, even if it's another caretaker until the end of the season, like Rooney, they can get a head start on finding the replacement before the end of the season, and they also may actually have a chance at winning the FA Cup. If they let him stay through the end, if they are somehow able to win the FA Cup, they (Ratcliffe, etc.) may be able to actually back their manager in their first window together, get rid of half of the squad that is not the future, and bring in the right players during the summer, REGARDLESS who the manager is (i.e. the new direction going forward is that the players will be brought in in relation to how the technical director wants the team to play, NOT any single manager, which is why ETH has had to deal with old players from 4 different past managers). I, for one, am in the latter camp, as I think that they need to bring in a slew of new players and get that part right before they judge the manager.
2nd to every ball, 2nd to every fight ... Kids might not have fared any better, but play players in their position whether their kids or not. Put a left back at left back. Put a CD at CD! And put in legs beside Mainoo
TenHag's too stubborn so he will not or never play a left back in the left.
@@derek009injuries bro
Can easily see us finishing with over 100 goals conceded this season if they play like that in the last 4 games.
The real question is with this tactic would a fully fit squad make any difference? The only genuine holding midfielder is declining by the minute, thereâs zero screening of the defence in this system, so would anyone in the squad turn this shambles into gold, even if Rashford was banging in 30 goals would it cover up the issues? Only one man thinks what is happening on the pitch is exciting, well apart from the 15/20 thousand opposition fans who think itâs the best thing theyâve seen for years
so you think you could give pep a bunch of kids and force him to play midfielders in defense and he would still win you something? if yes you must be hella deluded my g
A fully fit squad will still lose to Crystal Palace. The injury crisis is just more excuses to deflect from all the other fundamentals of basic football.
The team doesn't run, doesn't press, can control ball possession, can't keep the ball possession, give too many spaces for opponents to attack, can't give 10 passes without losing possession. No clear style or tactics!
Lisandro, Shaw, Malacia and Varane plus Rashford & Martial will still not bring any recognizable style or identity to ManUtd as a team.
No. We were getting 6 and 7 put past us last season when we had our strongest back four available. Last season would have been almost as bad as this season if Rashford hadn't had the season of his life. This season even when we've been close to full strength we have seen the same problems, every team even the weakest just run right through us. We are so stretched and so open the players are in different postcodes. The problems just get magnified by the injuries.
@@lollo17mw2 well didnât Klopp win the league cup with a bunch of untried kids, didnât Fergie famously win with a bunch of kids?
@@lollo17mw2 We lost to CP at OT too. With Varane and Lindelof. WE did not manage to Beat Coventry over 120 minutes of football when the only two players that were missing were Martinez and Shaw.
Yes, I believe in Ten Hag! When he first came we all knew he is coming into a rotting culture and we knew we had to be patient. We can clearly see his key players havenât been able to play. He is fighting a war with a broken stick. Give this man at-least a sword and a shield, not even a full armor like city, I believe he can do it. He is the one. We have to be patient! Itâs not the manager!
This is tough in so many ways. I can guarantee that if EtH had taken a more pragmatic approach again, he'd have received criticism for it. People would say that for 2 years he's not played 'modern' football.
However, in sticking to a model that clearly doesn't work with the players we have, we get these abject performances.
What if, for the sake of argument, EtH has been told to keep playing a certain way, and let our players show if they can pass muster? Is it beyond the realm of possibility?
It will be better as soon as these players are out of the club, they should not sack ETH and allow these players to continue in the team
And we came back to this point, turning our backs on the manager (I really think that this video doesn't help much, even though I know your good intentions. I know the frustration, but to answer those questions you need to know the full picture and we as fans don't, let's not be so reactionary and emotional Sam), when the last 10 years have been like this. Face reality. This is the level of our club and it comes from up there. Things are changing, the head has changed and the management is in the process of changing. Have patience...
I'll support Ten Hag until the end.
I think I see this situation as similar to that run Arsenal had with Arteta. 10 losses in 12 games iirc, they stuck with him and now look at them the past 2 seasons. I think that if we stick with Erik, and he can move past an injury riddled season and be less stubborn in his approach we can come out the other side. Stop the cycle of revolving door managers, believe in the new structure, sell the right players, bring in the right ones, negotiate properly. Just see what we can become without the Glazers finally not hampering us down.
Precisely this. Too much knee jerking when it comes to results. I don't see why if we're able to believe that certain players will eventually become good then why not the manager. They learn from experience just as much as the players on the pitch.
In my life I have had quite some bad luck myself and sometimes all you need is to catch a little break in the world but most importantly you need it from the ppl you do this thing called life for (family and friends) in this case the fan base. I can understand where EtH is and I believe it can only get better because let's face it we are on the floor.
Andy Mitten the only journalist I respect for United news. Yes he maybe a United fan but he will always look at the truth from the amber point of view
Got to see it through, if you want better times. Everyone is so emotional at the moment, e.g Casemiro and Evans in defence and no recognised left back; with Eriksen in midfield.
Common sense should tell anyone we are getting beaten by Palace who are inform, and there there front players are playing well.
Erik Ten Hag in.
NOPE, I still trust the process and I feel the players have to take full accountability for the lack of discipline in their game performances, ETH has to work with these players and its obvious a lot of them aren't cut out to be in a United shirt.
I'm not a utd fan whatsoever, but the dead wood has got too go first, you have about 6-7 players worth keeping, give him till the new year. Middle of January
He definitely is the right man, and it's time we finally give a manager the power and time to overhaul the squad.
Agree. Ten Hag is the right man for United.
Iâd get your eyes checked out lol
He's brought in 17 players signing 10 permanent at a cost of almost ÂŁ400m. That's a colossal sum for us actually to be worse. There has to be a realisation he's part of the problem.
@@ryanball576 Just have some patience ffs! Progress isn't linear, there will always be ups and downs unless you're unbelievably lucky. Fans like you just need to calm down and enjoy the ride.
I know the Arteta example has been used a lot but there's a lot to be learned from his and Arsenal's example. You can't build a successful team in just 2 years! A manager has to be given time to make mistakes and to learn from those mistakes. Having a "one strike and you're out policy" is not going to work because doing so achieves nothing other than prolong the process and embolden sub par players. We have to stick with Erik in order to end player power and to break free from the cycle.
@@richardjones8699 Nonsense. He has cleared out nearly two dozen senior pros and was only given a handful of actual signings to replace them with. You're claiming that he "brought in" players like Jonny Evans and Weghorst and Reguilon and Sabitzer. Clueless once again. Lol
In the interview with Gary Neville he essentially said he would rather lose than give up on his current game model. When does faith and consistency simply become stubborn and blinkered? Itâs now.
When EtH had a fully fit back four of Dalot, Shaw, Varane and Martinez they were one of, if not the most defensively solid units in the PL. Just one member of that back four is currently fit to play. In my view, our recent results are a condemnation of the quality of our squad outside of the 1st XI and the capability of our medical team to keep our best players on the pitch and, if injured, return them to fitness without relapsing.
Fans demanding 'ten Hag out' in my view are misguided, entitled and must have short memories indeed. Last year he got that team of misfits to overperform beyond expectations by getting us to 3rd and won us a cup. What's changed? Fundamentally, behind the scenes drama and injuries. The players cannot be allowed to down tools and blame the manager for a poor run of results again - if they don't like it at Man Utd, then put in a transfer request.
where can i get the trio poster?
@Sam imo this is not the end of ETH i believe that all that has happpened this season needed to happen so we can have a clean start not only in the summer but over the course of the next season there is alot of thinga changing at the same time it needs to settle first and get our deals done ao we can see whats left and try get it over the line in the Jan window i know it doesnt seem like it but we really have had the worst luck with injuries thia season i belive we will be back stronger and without and issues next season as we have a proper structure behind a manager who will get the best out of what we have left after we clearout all the dead wood
I still believe in the manager. I know the team and culture he inherited. That cannot be undone with a few signings and a manager change. I actually thought people understood how bad we were when Ragnick took over. Guess I was wrong. I see something and I hope time allows us to enjoy the fruits of it. Really tired of having the same argument when we get to the same point.
For once, I want INEOS to take a different approach and get rid of players that are part of our future plans or rather good enough to play for Manchester United. After that they can now shift their attention to the manager, we've done this for a year now getting rid of managers claiming they are not good enough for the job then one-two years later they give an interview mentioning the problems at United, then all of a sudden people start saying we shouldn't have fired Jose, Ole etc. Same old story everytime. Its tiring
I cant count the number of times you said "Eric please don't do it" in reference to selecting certain players this season and he did it anyway and lost the game. anyway ETH made his bed of pain all season.
For the last decade, everything about this club has been scrutinized from managers to medical staff. Not once have we criticized our impatient and fickle minded fan base that gobbles up one manager after another and the progress they could have made. Sadly you cannot change the fan base, United are big because of this bloody fan base. The supporters are irreplaceable, but you can still change your behavior, your mindset. United has not been elite for 11 years now but we think it's at the same level as Real Madrid and Bayern. How can such pressure be handled without the performance. Try to be more patient, more supportive, more empathetic and hope for a gradual change and not an overnight miraculous overhaul. Bloody fan base!
Well said. Couldn't have said it any better.
It's like our fans don't care about our club Owen and scholsey came from greatness they have all the right to say that... Standards have gone to piss. We cannot settle for mediocrity jeez man
Disagreeing doesn't equate to low standards.
@@sopronunciareglignocchi7255if disagreement means agreeing with poor results then yes itâs low standards đ
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No one is agreeing with poor results. Say something intelligent please.
@@sopronunciareglignocchi7255 Iâll expand, if you agree that despite the poor results he should stay then youâre standards are low,
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No, because it could also mean you're using your brain to understand why the results are poor instead of throwing a tantrum at the manager.
Hi Sam ,great channell. ETH (whether Stay or sacked) will be announced on wed 29th May .cheers Kev in Oz.
Manu donât act like other clubs. Most club will fire him already
A season without playing in Europe might help with rebuilding the squad
When the ETH out brigade started in October I said no matter what Iâll give him until the end of the season as I didnât want another Jose/ole end. But ultimately there is no positive signs, heâs got a few games leftâŠshow me something please!
This is not the first time this is happening this season - the deadwood players need to leave first. Give Ten Hag the needed players and watch and if Ten Hag and the team didn't turn up then the needful will be done.
Doesn't matter what us fans think it's up to ineos and Jim ratcliffe to make the call. Great video Sam
Get him his P45 and one way ticket to Amsterdam! By the way, take Onana and Antony with you
I dont think you can blame the manager when 8/11 of the players in most of our Starting XI's this season are considered deadwood
He's brought in 17 players signing 10 permanent at a cost of almost ÂŁ400m
Yeah, but a lot of the "deadwood" are players ETH has spunked ÂŁ400m on.
@@richardjones8699 Let's set Antony aside cause I agree he wasn't the standard i thought he was (also think the feud with his ex effected him more than we care to understand) - Lisandro Martinez is Class but injured (not his fault) Casemiro wasn't his first choice, Amrabat wasn't his first choice, Reguillon signed cause of injuries, Malacia is MIA, Butland and Dubravka? You take those into consideration? Weghorst and Sabitzer on loan? Think those were his intial targets? Johnny Evans? These are all signs that the manager didnt get what he wanted, due to the trouble behind the scenes at the club imo.
@@toofargone28 Most of his wishlist was pure fantasy football stuff. Case in point we were never going to get Kane in a month of Sundays and FDJ didn't even want to come to us. Same with Gakpo. Soon as the scousers came in his head was completely turned. Notwithstanding that, he has brought in 17 players signing 10 permanent at a cost of almost of almost ÂŁ400m. That's a lot of money and players to be actually worse.
Notwithstanding that (2), he's effectively gone anyway so it's all water under the bridge.
I love Andy Mitten he is a real journalist because he sees it all
Dude we can still lose all the remaining games and the last thing i would do is to blame ETH given the conditions we were in this season. What's so hard to understand about this?
He is the right man because he identified exactly the rot in the playergroup.
Sam 100 percent would've called for fergie to get sacked . He sucks ineos and talks about them like they're a god. They've done NOTHING in football and most of thier other sports have failed
Jose said he wanted to clear house at united, then pointed out many of them are still there. He went on to point out you cant focus on bringing new players in whilst you still have to clean house. This hasnt been done, that mentality and lack of standards just drags anyone who comes in down. I want to see eth at least see out his contract and focus on getting rid of these players
Iâve lost all belief, Iâm just numb at this point. The defeats donât get to me, and they donât infuriate me as they did when it fell apart for Ole, now itâs not even surprising
We all know the squad, the medical team, the ex-management are the real let down. We have to back ETH until he got everything heâs supposed to have on day 1
The bits about the squad doubting ETH is rich, given 90% of them donât belong at the club
90% of them was brought in by Baldy himself.
Apparently there's news that Jose Mourinho is interested in coming back to United as a Ten Hag replacement, in case he's sacked.
What's your take on this?
P.S. I don't hate Mourinho, but I can't forget the crushing 6-1 defeat to his Tottenham side at our very own Old Trafford.
I'm still Ten Hag in & I have faith in him once everyone is back fit. Last season we had the most wins at one stage with 31 over any other club across Europe's top 5 leagues. I just think many players have given up simply aren't good enough & past their best hence why a major squad overhaul is needed in the summer. I like Tuchel but is he capable of building teams developing youth??? That's the big question mark. There aren't many suitable candidates out there
EtH in. At least a season under INEOS. Simple as. End of. This season has been written off since Xmas. See it out.
I hate how he put himself & all in this spot; even if we get good squad etc next season, the fact that he can't improvise throughout tough times puts a ? around trusting him. A tactician has 2b capable of problem solving & adapting. That is his biggest flaw in my opinion. Beat City @ FA...??? May as well write a letter 2 Santa mate. Gr8 work as always Sam
I hate the fact that everyone thinks they have managerial expirence and blames the manager for everything. We need to change the trend here.
I just love when people say it's the players flaut or it's the managers flaut as if both of them can't be true at the same time...
Stop flipping your opinion (ie making excuses for Ten Hag) if ir was Rashford everyone would be saying it's another pr stunt but when Ten Hag does ir nobody calls him out
We need a full rebuild (managers and players)
Donât waiver yet Sam. forget this season. Let him have a pre season with a proper structure behind him and he will come good. Just remember the gameplay he was working on during pre season before all the injuries hit. Stick to the process. City did it., so did Arsenal and Liverpool and look at the rewards. ETH is a good coach. He will come good
How do you compress the space between attack and defense (a high press) when your CBs are slow and not good on the ball? That's why I believe there is a gap between the backline and attack, because Ten Hag knows he has to let his CBs drop off, and the 3 midfielders struggle to close the gaps, particularly when the ball is lost in the opposition territory. And Rashford as a winger also doesn't track back enough.
Ten Hag simply doesn't have the players to play counter pressing football within tight spaces. I believe even Pep, Klopp, Tuchel, Ancelotti couldn't get these players to play that way.
So if there is to be genuine transition at the club, so many players need to be sold and bought. They are the main problem.
Whether Ten Hag is the right man, I can't say. But if Ineos thinks that he is not, they will damn sure have to get a coach with a playing philosophy that must be implemented and pursued beyond the new coaches tenure. It cannot change with every new coach.
ETH hasn't become a bad manager, the amount of injuries this season would have tested Fergie! I really do think he will be given one season under the new set up to prove himself. People lose sight of the fact we have reached three cup finals in two years. The likes of Newcastle, Brighton, Spurs would love to match that level of achievement
Either you buy players for a billion pounds this summer, or you stick with the plan and slowly rebuild the squad. EtH is doing that with Mainoo, Hojlund, and Garnacho. If the injuries arenât as bad as this season players like Martinez, Onana, Bruno are solid players to build on together with the young ones. Get another striker, a holding midfielder, and a CB and this team is good to go. Antony and Rashford will play much better if the rest of the team functions. Theyâre just that type of player that need a balanced team to function, so they have more freedom.
Big fan of your work Sam!!
As United fans, we donât deserve to be witnessing how horrible this club has become. United has been depressing to watch all season, this has to be our worst.
Stand bh the Manager. He is the man.
Trust the process.
I still believe and trust Ten Hag. Heâll absolutely turn it around next season
And we started this calender year with 5 or 6 wins on the trot, and we're the inform team in the league.
Erik said he is absolutely the right man for man utd. His is right to take the club to the bottom half.
As long as we don't get someone who is going to make us play free flowing football, nothing will change. Even winning Trophies won't make us feel like Man Utd. We already have all the Cups in the world. Its just adding to the tally.
We don't need to build from the back! Dont need Total control ! No no no... just free flowing football with flashing wingers & first time shot takers.. Midfielders who knows when to drop the tempo and a Nonstop Engine, a defender who is ready to kill for the team and GK who can command the defense. We need our identity before those trophies
"People had high expectations of the 1988-89 season following the return of Mark Hughes. However United had a slow start in the league which involved a nine-match winless run. Manchester struggled with consistency and finished only 11th. In addition to the league woes, United was knocked out early in both the League cup and FA cup. For the next season, Ferguson continued to spend and brought in players like Neil Webb, Mike Phelan and Gary Pallister. United started well but quickly went downhill. Fans and journalist were rightfully not happy with Ferguson and according to BBC, A banner was unfurled at a home game which read: âthree years of excuses, ta-ra Fergie.â In addition, Daily mail reporter Steve Curry express his disappointment by writing an article entitled Fergie the flop. He said that he had: âthe worst record of any United manager of modern times''. Manchester which had not won the league in 23 years. Despite the criticism and complaining of the fans, Ferguson stayed a Manchester United manager. In a third-round tie against Nottingham Forrest in the FA Cup, there was rising speculation that Ferguson would be sacked if Manchester would lose the game. Manchester won 1-0 and it was later informed that the board was not considering firing him. however, this win is often considered as the match that saved Alex Ferguson. United then went on and won the FA Cup. It was FergusonÂŽs first trophy at Manchester. Despite the trophy, Manchester season was still considered disappointing and they finished in 13th in the League."
If youâre still surprised by some of the performance of these senior players, that means you have not been paying attention .
Do you all still remember Ralf Rangnick saying âMan U players need an open heart surgery.â And here we are again where we have to choose between the manager and the players.
I wish us best of luck!
Yea, there's no way a Premier League team should be running around like headless chickens the way they were. I lost count of the amount of times we picked up the ball and the player with the ball had no options, getting closed down and everybody else was just standing there looking at them. It really seems like they had no idea what they were supposed to do with or without the ball.
And after ~2 years with a manager everything should be second nature to you, even if you are in a different position you should know where other players are supposed to be and what your job is.
But United have struggled against lower-table aggressive teams for years now, and unless they can play quick one-touch football they are lost. I think even back in the Ole era this is why we could beat teams like City and Barcelona, but then fail against teams like Burnley and Palace when they play aggressively, the United players just kind of panic, and make a stupid pass and give the ball away... Fred was a perfect example of this.
And it's always worse when the ref is too lenient with the opposition, and a few decisions go against us, then it's like the whole team turn into a bunch of introverted statues. But, this is where a good manager has to step in and motivate the players, get them out of their own heads, and playing football again.
I think Ten Hag biggest problem was joining Manchester United, thinking he would do it better than all other coaches. I think Arne Slot made a better choice, just because of the possibilities he has at that club compared to United. I feel like most Man united support just live in the past, they are not the club anymore they were before. It will not be a easy task for any coach to make Man united a Top club again that will be playing for the title each year. If you want to compete, buy the best players, the most complete players that will fit the system.
I also dont know why that is so hard for Man united to do so, i mean they have enough money to spend. But maybe it's time to lower the expectations first, for each season and for each coach that will join.
30 different CB partnerships in 48 games doesnât help tho tbf I say give him next season (not like we can get any worse with him anyways) and if we are in the same position then he can go
I will say this "no player whose out for 5 months, comes back the same player for at least 8 weeks"... We had Evans and Casemiro at CB. Wtf?
My issue is that he has lost the locker room and in doing so, the players just won't play for him. He has no respect from the players and that is a problem. So what to do. What do you do with a locker room that has no respect for the coach and a coach who cannot get his players to buy into his vision? Honestly, I would say strictly from a financial standpoint, keep ETH for the remainder of his contract and sweep out the majority of the players, especially the older ones and the ones who are making a king's ransom in salary while not producing what that salary demands. That is easier said than done. The easier way out is to do what we have done for the last decade - sack the coach and bring in someone else. Look where that has gotten us. Exactly where we are. Personally, I would scrap the majority of the players. They are making a ton of money and just not producing results. And their effort is atrocious, certainly not becoming of players making what they are making. Even if you don't agree with the coach, you as a player, do what you're told to do. As a boss in my field, I tell my subordinates, "if you do what I tell you to do and it goes sideways, then it falls on me. If not, then it falls on you." These players are acting like spoiled brats who haven't been smacked in the proverbial mouth. Time for them to go. And once again, like I have repeatedly stated - GO WITH YOUTH!!! If we are going to lose like this, at least let the young ones do it and get experience!!
We saw a little bit of good football a few games this season when we had Martinez and Shaw in the squad. Hojlund was banging goals. Garnacho and Rashford were excellent. I believe having players who can play the way he wants and with the right mentality ETH will do well. This people who keep on moaning that these are his signings..... he wanted Kane he got Hojlund, wanted De Jong was given Casemiro Wanted Kim Min Jae was given Evans...Dont also forget he wanted Gravenberg and we got Amrabat instead...
If Ten Hag is a good motivator, odds are I would have seen at least one MU player running all out during the 12 minute highlight clip of the CP game. I didn't see that. What I saw was CP ball-carriers outrunning defenders, over and over. As to the "injury" issue, if you don't have the defenders to play a high line, leaving that massive gap in the midfield is madness.
It's very popular to blame the players, but surely some of that is on TH?
Lmao after 4 more games you will see just how far they can fall đ€Łđ€Łđ€Łđ€Łđ€Łđ€Ł don't worry yourselves you will see!!!
One bad season sam, lets move on to the next one and hope for the best. I still have faith in ETH
@unitedpeoplestv, what do you think ETH can do across the next 3 games to give us a better chance of winning the cup final?
Without good players you cannot judge a coach
When you have 26 years old Rashford who needs to be already club captain, underperforming all the games. Rooney at same age was Beast who was leading the team.
Some players just are not to meant to be at Manu! You need to get rid of several players and bring new right ones in.
Any manager will loose players like Manu have right now. We have seen it already with several world best managers. Fault is on players and Glazers do not understand that. Ineos need to get behind proper manager like Ten Hag and than things start working out again.
Nobody will be the right manager until players start playing for the badge. I dont know if Eric is the right guy or not but i do know that this team in the last 11 years has been known to down tools and not play for the manager or the badge. Unless that doesnt change, even God couldn't manage this team.
Ineos obviously intend to get players out and in. That's a given. But there has to be a realisation that he's part of the problem too.
@@richardjones8699 how is a guy a part of the problem that has existed for 11 years, he's the only manager post fergi who players actually try to play for that too after Ole's last season and Jose's end?
@@anwaralisayed9767 Two years in job. ÂŁ400m spent - 17 players in. No style of play. Poor results but far more importantly lots and lots of dreadful performances. He's part of the problem alright.
@@richardjones8699 17 players? Onana, Mount, Malacia, Martinez, Hojlund, Casemiro, Erickson, Antony and Evans are the only players here on contracts that aren't loans. And most of these players were panic buy the club, overpaying like they've done so many times in the past. That's 9 players, if you're counting loans players, most of whom played for 6 months and are counting them as signings, no wonder you want to appoint an interim for a year.
@@anwaralisayed9767 There's 10 permanent and 7 loans - I'm not doing the leg work for you go and look at his signings. It's STILL 17 in and it's still ÂŁ400m. That's a lot to be actually worse.
I'd give him a third season. Despite the awful results I respect the attacking instinct. Things can and probably will improve in a new season once things get more stable.
Mate MU need to hits a massive resets button
All of it
I have lost trust too. Hate to say it as did think he'd be the man and my next chocolate Lab would be named after him. Just can't see it any longer! Tuchel for me now although can see future pitfalls with that appointment too.
There are two types of coaches: those who do nothing and those who do a lot of damage.
1986 fergie managed utd, in the year 1990 won his first fa cup, 1992/1993 epl madien. Alex took time to win it.
2022 erik managed utd , won carling cup. Erik is a good coach I trust on him it's the players that letting us down sacking erik n bringing new coach want help utd the same scenario will repeat, fans wants instant result that is not possible. What Erik needs is the time n good players he wanted kim min Jae but couldn't, even klopp took time to manage liverpool and of course pep the best coach couldn't even won the silverware under his first management n sold 11 or 12 players. It is the players fault not Erik's, injury has been the main problem otherwise result would have been different but still erik somehow managed to reach the fa cup final even best coach like pep would have struggle to manage these utd players. I trust in erik.
I have followed your channel since Erik Ten Hag came to United (I'm an Ajax fan). I can see you are starting to get more angry and desperate with the way things are going. (Which is understandable)
Please watch some videos from yourself back when Erik just started at United. Take that positivity and try to back him up and blame the players for their lack of personality. It would be such a bad decision to fire Erik ten Hag.
If I see the team you currently have, next to all the injuries, the transfers windows of the last years have been horrible. Where Ajax has the problem that all players are always sold and you have to hope that new players will fit in well, United has so many players that haven't left after many years of poor performances. This United has a skill and a mentality issue, get rid of as much players as possible and keep the base with Onana - Martinez - Casimero - Garnacho. And build a team around it. Let Ten Hag cook.
Please trust the process and back Ten Hag. You will regret it if you let him go.
The question is do you feel comfortable with the way we've been play lately coz he seems like his only going to double down on it further
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Same thing happened under Arteta at arsenal players down tooling. Arsenal stood firm and never Sacked Arteta though they finished 8th, 8th, 5th three season straight. Which send out message to the players ain't going anywhere,but the down tools and trouble makers are leaving. By keeping Arteta they were easily able to rectify Rotten apples in dressing room and binned them all. This Crystal Palace tean which defeated full strength Liverpool side 1-0 st anfield and you put them against Casemiro-Evans CB partnership with Erickson in Midfield it'll get overrunned, what options did Ten Hag had. I'll rather give Ten Hag one more season with Ashworth and Wilcox helping him than start rebuilding again when there's not a suitable candidate available out there. Tuchel a big No for me. He doesn't stick at any club for more than 2 seasons. We're long term fix like Liverpool under Klopp and Arsenal under Arteta. 4-5 year's fix. Tuchel is like picking Jose for long term success.
Ten Hag in all the way for me. Arsenal fans were selling Arteta out T-shirts in his second season, glad Kroenke didn't listened to Arsenal fans.
Ten Hag needs our backing abd support as Fergie said back the manager. Fergie finished 13th i. League table after finishing 2nd previous year.
Back the manager Sam as we already have rivals and CR7 Sancho fanboys against us.
Look at that defence line, what do you expect away from home to an in-form team with massive attacking capability. Cannot blame the manager when there are no players available. No midfielders either, can't rely on a kid and 40year old Eriksen.