Are Leafs problems coaching or roster related issues? | OverDrive
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- Bryan Hayes, Jeff O’Neill and Jamie McLennan discuss the non-call on Josh Manson’s crosscheck to Auston Matthews and are the Maple Leafs' problems more coaching or roster-related.
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The leafs went from "No team has ever won the cup with so much money tied up in 3 players" to "no team has ever won the cup with so much money tied up in 4 players."
😂😂
Who cares about coaching, when you pay 55 mill for for four over rated soft players, you’re mathematically going to have the lowest paid depth in the league. The core screwed Torontos chances with their inflated arrogance and greed. What a toxic organization.
could not have said it better
Tavares screwed the rebuild. Under ZERO circumstances can you ask the kids to take discounts when you sign the 5th best player on the team to an 11.0 x 7 contract
I don't think Nylander and Matthews are overrated (although Matthews is overpaid) ,Tavares fucked the rebuild big time.
the rebuild was pretty mcuh over once he got there lol cause they were coming off 2 straight playoff contending seasons@@TheTypexcrx
Keefe's reaction and adjustment to start the third vs the Avs and his line up changes vs Detroit, was horrible coaching. It shows he doesn't know what to do.
He’s shown that since the Columbus series
If the leafs fire Keefe, it will be a huge mistake. The leafs D core is horrible and no new coach is going to magically fix it. They are lucky to have their current record, with their current roster.
Imagine 20 years ago, a player is 6'4" 215lbs and needs someone to fight his battles for him. LOL Maybe if Matthews fought his own battles or played a little more nasty he would have some more room out there.
I hear ya. I think Mathews problem is he played in the No Hit Euro League. If a guy his size and speed played in the CHL he’d be a beast and not a Pansy.
But what if he injures a hand? I'm no Leafs fan, but when most of your offensive production comes from one player, what can you do.
@@bunsw2070 then at least he's good while he's not injured, as opposed to hemmed into submission and injury free
A player from 20 years ago wouldn't be able to keep up with todays hockey.
You don't want your 60 goal guy fighting though. If he's injured then this team is done.
It's not THAT they're losing.
It's HOW they're losing.
That's the pisser.
There's a real culture problem in this franchise.
They want the fans to hand over the money for the flashy players during the regular season, and they don't care about winning.
They don't care about respecting the fans.
But the fans all cheer for Matthews to win the Rocket Richard, and don't call him out that he has only generated 15 assists, playing with the guys he gets to play with. And the fans all cheer for Marner to play in the all-star game. And they'll be whining if Nylander doesn't get MVP consideration. And they'll defend Tavares for being slow and pretty brutal defensively, because he can be a presence in front of the net. The fans *deserve* to get the same thing every year, because collectively that's what they *ask* for!!!
FACTS@@tonylloy327
Well!! I Think 🤔 and Believe it is The Coaching , and the Culture of the team, Fire the Fronnt 0ffice , Major Changes NEED to be done, However there is Certain players I would Resign Bertuzzi Domi, Benoit. Study the Other players, then Start Changing things Defense , look and see what needs to be done, like Trades. Etc
@@tonylloy327 It's Moronto, what else should we expect?
Look at their new mayor; the idiots voted in a hardcore commie socialist & are now clapping like trained seals over a potential 16.5% property tax hike!!
You can't fix stupid.
Until Toronto fans pull their heads outa their nethers and 100% stop financially supporting this dumpster fire trainwreck, why should MLSE bother putting a quality contender on the ice?
It's always been coaching, Keefe gets out coached nightly, playoffs were always the glaring examples
I wont argue, but its just too top heavy. You gotta move one of the 10mil guys and get 3 quality depth guys in exchange.
In this case, change is a good thing. Bring in a coach who is competent, and has had success in the NHL, someone who respects the players, teaches effective systems, playoff hockey, and hold EVERYONE to account!
last year against Maurice and Cooper.. I was surprised they brought Keefe back
They need a goalie (Jake Allen).
@chucktaylor9190 That's your takeaway from this video? Our stars have been no shows on the offensive side when we've needed them. Ya, a better goaltender would be nice but it's not the main problem right now.
We finally get rid of Justin Holl and Brodie becomes Justin Holl. You can't make this shit up.
*gentley lifts foot and let’s puck walk by
Imagine paying 45 million to 4 forwards and still expecting to be a deep quality contending team. Clown management is the root of the Leafs issues, those 4 should cost no more than 32-33 million combined, a competent management wouldn't have allocated such a high % of cap to so few players.
This is the Dubas curse.
Facts. There are GMS that can sign their stars for the right price, get quality guys for picks, still perform well and still get cap space.
I’m guessing they are waiting for Tavares contract to run out next year before they can do anything.
@@lindsaydoke9308Yes! Pittsburg didn't almost signed Malkin and Lateng cause they didn't have enough cap space, and yet they got 11 million dollar man, Dubas is an idiot!!
@@catguy00yep they'll get rid of him then sign 2 good players
Again a question of character with this team and the captain gets a pass
Yeah I don't understand why Tavares is still there
Odog hit the nail on the head a few years ago when he said 16 and 34 dont just have it to compete when the going gets tough in the playoffs.
16 is maybe 6’ and a buck 70. He’s a playmaker and not a power forward. Mathews is 6’4 230 and should be able to handle himself But he played in the No Hit Euro League.
That's been obvious since they joined the team. Mathews plays for four months of golf every year
You can't coach a tough team if you don't have tough players
and the softest worst captain in sports
One last thing. Wanting to win real bad, will never be as strong as Hating to lose.
Look at the way Foligno responded for Bedard on a clean hit. And his response afterwards. Look at how they stand up for Matthews on a dirty hit……. Enough said.
Foligno has more leadership in his left testicle than the entire Leafs team
It's pathetic, isn't it?
Team/management are in this together 🇨🇦
The important thing is to ensure they overpay Marner and possibly Tavares when their contracts are up. Not having all 4 of them in the top ten pay wise just isn't a good "Leafy" look.
Thankfully Leafs overpaid Nylander based on 30 or so games.
The good news is with the Leaf model they will always have spots on their roster for min wage and even AHL players. The Toronto Maple Leafs can also ensure players who should probably retire always have an option to keep going.
Is that you, Larry Tanenbaum?
Good point😀
Lets hope they can give these geezers a break b4 playoffs and they come back fresh. Thats the only hope I see
It must suck covering the Leafs. It's just frustration 24/7
More to cover
I wonder how many anti depressants they are on
O Dog you are the best , I appreciate your honesty . you should coach the leafs
I’m with O-Dog, and have been all year…..Brodie is garbage, Lilgren way too many giveaways, Gio is done; need a minimum 2-3 good Dmen. Good luck with this cap management. Start with Keefe, he’s also trash; I’m sure he’s a nice guy, but the talent is making him look much better that he actually is.
Last season the Leafs were 2nd worst in giveaways in their own zone. The loss against the Avs was proof they haven’t changed. When you see them running around in their own end I’d wager that Over 80% of the time they get scored on, even 5 on 5.
D is old and wobbly: Gio and Brodie just don't have it anymore and the team that didn't re-sign them originally -- Calgary -- seemed to have known this at the time. I think the Leafs thought their window for winning was 2021-2023, maybe 2024 this year at the latest, and these guys are therefore past their best before dates. Given how young Marner, Nylander, and Matthews were at the time, I think management jumped the gun. The Tavares signing appears to have been the one clear mistake regarding the core -- the rest are terrific and most teams would be thrilled to have any of the big 3. All this discussion of "softness" is misplaced: the issue is the depth and the team cohesion.
Yes Liligren is overrated. He's not that good.
@@gameburn178 …when Dubas signed Tavares the Leafs were 3rd in scoring in the NHL, so no need other than Dubas wanted to make a Splash with his first move as GM. Fast forward and he does the exact same thing in Pitt by signing Karlsson. The guy Aint GM material.
The problem is imbalance, top heavy.Should have traded one of the wingers this past spring.
Not really the issue, the top players are way overpaid. That’s the issue….. Nylander overpriced, JT overpriced, Mathews overpriced. None are over 10mil in production worth. Offense isn’t everything…. When players making half your paycheck can out skate and preform performance on a UFA contract….. you’re overpriced. Reduce all their checks by just 2 mil and they’d have 8 mil to get depth.
@@brendancramphorn44..so blame the players for taking the money management gave them. Got it🤦♂️
Reduction would require union consent,so that is not going to happen.The only options left is to wait until JT and MM run out their contracts, or make some players so miserable they request a trade :) @@brendancramphorn44
He never said that. You're projecting.
@@guyh.4121 not what I said. If all players in the nhl made 10mil I’d be very happy for them. This is not realistic with a hard salary cap. It’s the team not players…. The leafs had a GM who essentially said “I’m breaking up the core” and then was fired. Even In NHL 24/23 trying to win with this group is hard due to the lack of depth. They have Matin jones starting for them…….. they gave bettuzzi a 5mil contract….. they don’t have defense and their forwards are fully offensive with minimal defensive skill. This team needs to be blown up last year
OMG, O, I have been saying the same thing about Brodie. When he came to the Leafs he was invisible, and that is a compliment. Rock solid. Much of the last two years: total liability. What is it about Keefe relying on a D-man that is so bad? Brodie isn't the first! Being a fan of this team is the worst!
In all fairness Brodie was very good to good his first couple of years with us. Father time catches up to everyone and the real problem is half the cap is being spent on 34 16 91 and 88
Brodie was one of the weaker D in Calgary in his last year and a half there, and that was 3 or 4 years back. He was also seen as being on a bit of a decline. That's why Calgary could part with him. As a general rule, picking up lower tier D that another team can part with is a bad idea. The exception is the very defensive types who never put up a lot of points anyway, but had good decision-making abilities while defending. (Tanev, Cole, etc.) Brodie wasn't that kind of D.
Man, living in a sportsnet only radio city this clip makes me miss noodles on tsn radio.
Not even Scotty Bowman could win with this roster.
Yes he would. He would spread the high end players across 3 lines so they can elevate the lesser players and create mismatch nightmares. There’s only 1 puck on the ice
@@TheTypexcrxNope, he couldn't. Cap mismanagement, they didn't deploy their bank roll properly and now they're fucked for the next 3+ years
Enjoy watching and listening to your Overdrive show, you guys don’t hold back and want the Leafs to be better as much as us, it’s frustrating, let’s hope they can turn this around on the west trip.
Wow that 3rd was tough, great battle from both
new year, same story. same core, different supporting cast.when will they learn
MLSE does NOT care about winning the Stanley Cup. They don't LOVE hockey, they love making money. The Leafs are a corporation, not a passionate hockey club.
Cool story. Except the more games they play the more money they make: each playoff game brings in 1 million in revenue alone.
@@c_telking4433thats loose change for MLSE. A drop in the bucket.
I hate comments like this. Cause winning equals money. MLSE Should see there profits from the raptors run then quadruple it if the leafs won a cup.
Like a corporation the best talker gets to keep his job; Shanahan in this case.
Awh yes, just like the good ol Ballard days.
It's Shanny and the front office and it always has been. The "Shannaplan" isn't working at he keeps trying it lol. And yes Keefe has to go.
You are 100% correct
Who does Shannahan answer to? You realize this team is a corporation, right?
no... what they described as the "Shanaplan" was thrown out the window when they signed Tavares. They were supposed to build from within and be patient and not overpay free-agents. Since then, they've overpaid, Marner, Matthews and Nylander to the point there's no cap room left for anyone else that could make a difference. If they stuck to what they promised, we've be rockin' right now.
Agreed, it started off great and he took the franchise out of the gutter... but there's no question that allocating over 50% of your budget to only 4 - 5 guys upfront isn't a recipe for success & never has been. I don't buy this BS about the cap going up when it's apparent that new contracts are negotiated off percentages, not $$ figure value.
Shanny knows hockey, he's managing this from a business perspective now and it's costing them :)
@@nds687 yup... those are contracts you give to players as a reward for winning the cup. Together, there's no chance, ZERO, that these players ever win a cup in Toronto. Each member of the core 4 will never put a team on their shoulders and lead them to the promised land - not tough enough, not enough character and will. The only way they ever win the cup is if they are traded at the deadline to team already destined to win and they get just enough of a role as to not f**k it up.
They need to find a coach that coaches...That knows how to handle egos and players that care more about their stats and $. I wonder if the reason other players don't protect the core 4 is because their attitudes. They figure they make all that cash and can afford to get squashed once in a while. I mean it happens too much for it not to be some reason. Torontos culture is trash how do you change that? Their fans don't deserve it.
Torts is employed and this team won't touch quenneville
Yes, they do. Leafers deserve to suffer. They think everyone wants to play for them. Everytime something bad happens to the Oilers they drool thinking McDavid is going to demand a trade there.(He won’t) They jump on any player that doesn’t play perfectly at all times. This is a team that has revenue streams that should finance greatness even if you’re not very smart. They also embrace mediocrity.
I think that's exactly it. This is a team of highly paid stars and lower paid guys that are trying to earn a contract for another team. Why should I as a 4th line player risk my health and earning potential for the dudes that have secured over 100 million in contracts for themselves. Not worth it
Will Matthews pay me a few mil if I break my wrist defending him? NO. So stay safe until the pay day has been earned.
I don't think your coach (Keefe) should be publically drooling in an interview over the other teams line (Mackinnon line plus Makar/Toews) declaring that they are superior to the NHL 🙄. Torts always responds to questions like that, "I'm not here to talk about the other team's players." 😡
Sheldon keefe would have been fired a long time ago if he was Vegas coach. Brutal the leafs have held onto him for this long. Don’t even get me started on his brutal line combinations
Have to agree here. He's been out coached every single playoffs in his tenure.
Vegas is a physically tough team, while the leafs are soft soft soft.
Move on from Keefe. He had ample opportunities to succeed. Dressing room accountability is needed!
Coaching change won't change. It starts with the top 4 , 2 that are overpaid. Where is the leadership?
fire him bring in iron mike keenan just for rest of this season to make a run he would straighten that locker room out in 5 minutes
Just 6 teams have their defence with 12 or fewer goals, one is the leafs along with San Jose, Minnesota, Anaheim Chi and Wash.
Is that coaching or roster?
The Leafs top four are first in scoring verses all other teams top four.
Taking out every teams top four in scoring the Leafs are 26.
Is that coaching or roster?
The Leafs' front office undoubtedly has a clear understanding of their current situation, their objectives, and their intended course of action. While this panel discusses the team's issues and possible remedies passionately, it's important to remember that they are not privy to the team's internal plans and decisions. Their analysis is more focused on generating discussion and debate rather than offering concrete solutions.
Lol i know this is a crazy take but maybe they should of traded a core player for good depth amd got a new coach
Rumours are saying Keefe will be gone by the end of the week (Jan 21, '24). *source unconfirmed, but solid.
Replace Keefe is almost a must at this point, but the Nylander decision was the worst. For that price, he needs to be scoring a goal a game. He's a one dimensional player. I'd almost fire the GM and Shanahan for that move.
At least Nylander shows up in playoffs , last two years their best forward. Matthews gets a face wash and he is done. Marner is small and plays the perimeter game . Dubas and Shanahan built this core 4 and this is what it is
@@glennbrown9960Why not make it about the Team Not the 4 core!! 🤦🏽♂️😒
@@glennbrown9960If they make the playoffs.
No Killer Instinct ..leaves the leafs at the middle of the pack every year...is Brendan Shanahan doing anything ...he has zero feedback to the Leaf Nation....maybe time for Shanny to take a walk
Shannohan works for head office, just like Burke. This is failure by design kids, time to follow a better team, Leafs are a toxic joke on Canadians.
No defense, no goalie, for literally DECADES....
Hate to use this word...but it's culture. If they don't stick up for each other...the captain and coach should be responsible for straightening this out. Both Tavares and Keefe have let this go and let their players get trampled on...with no response. In the playoffs, teams need to act like families.
I love how Hayes thinks Keefe is not the problem 😭😭😭😭😭
How are you going to get two quality defencemen with no cap left?
And nobody of value to trade, since all the big money players have NMCs.
You have to do it in a trade: Nylander is the obvious one to trade, his new contract at least makes his CAP hit measurable for some years. There are teams who can afford this hit. Leafs are not one of them. Arizona and Columbus look promising to me, I'm sure there are other teams as well that would consider this kind of trade. Throw in Tavares for free, or even absorb some of the salary. Something has to change. The question is whether to do this now or in the Summer.
Who have Leafs management really acquired since they tanked and drafted Matthews, Marner and Nylander??
In like 7 years we added, T.J Brodie, the now departed Bunting & Hyman, traded for Jake Muzzin and Jack Campbell, signed Justin Holl?? Wow, great job guys.. No defence, no goalies..
I'm sure some other team (like Pittsburgh) will look at your resume's as G.M and Director of Op's and jump to offer the smarter of the two of you a 7 year 40 million dollar contract to help manage things better.
Kamph, McCabe, jarnkrok, knies, Robertson, Bert, domi... no one at all
Which teams since the lockout didn't draft their way to the Cup? Leafs just didn't hit on any elite D or G draft picks or get a Scott Niedermayer or Zdeno Chara in free agency (Do you want an Orlov at $7.75M?). They managed to trade for Muzzin but he got a career-ending injury. It's so hard to get D that they kept Justin Holl in the expansion draft. Morgan Reilly is great but compare him to the D other Cup winners had - he can't do it alone.
Drafting D is difficult: obviously mobility and brains are critical and size is a bonus. But you have to draft them and hope. The Leafs needed to trade Nylander at some point this year or this last summer for a young D together with a top pairing D, not impossible, as every team needs scoring. This also would have freed up money. Not too late though, and Nylander is under contract which makes him more attractive. Marner and Matthews you keep, not least because they play well together (similar to McD and Drai; Pettersson and Miller.) Tavares is probably untradeable.
@@gameburn178 it sounds easy but remember Taylor Hall was traded one-for-one for Adam Larsson.
@@smozoma Good point. But Larsson wasn't enough back for Hall. Larsson and another D, or 2 D prospects and Larsson would have been what was needed.
I think the biggest issue is the Shanna-plan that uses too much cap on offense and minimal on defence and goaltenders. Keefe needs to go asap, from day one he has never made these players accountable, he just keeps defending them year after year. They players have no heart and are never willing to go outside their comfort zone to win. They want big paydays but don't want to earn them. Up until this past 2 months I have believed and defended this plan and players, believing that if we just tweak the dcore and goalie position, we can get over the hump, I no longer believe that is possible with this group of heartless, gutless core. I know it is not possible to trade any of the core but until Marner, Nylander and JT are gone we are going to have to live with being a good regular season team, nothing more. I will continue to cheer them on in hope that a miracle can happen, will not stress when we are golfing in April.
lol saying Leafs are in a playoff spot is a gracious statement. Imo they are in a wildcard spot. If Detroit stays within a point of the Leafs, they will make a major splash at the deadline. They have over 11 million in deadline cap to work with, along with 9 pick in the first 3 round in the next 3 years and 2-3 times more high quality prospects than anyone in the division aiming for the playoffs. Leafs have 34k in deadline cap space until they start sending down players to gain Klingberg cap relief back.
this conversation has been going on for decade now lol.
Mathews and Lindros are relatively the same size. Lindros used to bury guys in to the boards, and Mathews could easily do the same, BUT there’s one simple reason why he doesn’t and that’s because Lindros played in the CHL and Mathews played in the No Hit Euro League. Mathews could have plastered Manson later on but he didn’t. The Leafs last year were one of the worst teams in the NHL for giveaways and it doesn’t seem to have changed. If the Leafs lose 3 of the upcoming games Keefe is toast. You cough up the puck with McJesus around and it’s in the net before you can say boo.
Therefore, Lindros enjoyed a long and healthy career plastered with championship rings. 😐
In an alternate universe CHL Matthews is seen as one of the toughest leaders of men hockey has ever seen and is respected as a C at the level of MacKinnon and McDavid. Instead we live in US/Euro Matthews universe 😂
@@themorethemerrier281 …he’s in the Hall of Fame.
@@guyh.4121 He is deservedly so. But if you asked him I doubt he would recommend this playing style to other players. He paid a steep price.
💯 right on Brodie. Throw JT in there as well
I love it, the emergency Toronto sucks video hahah. The leafs will always be the leafs, another first round exit coming
Some coaches wouldn’t tolerate inaction.
The core of a group should always be the lunch pail guys. Leafs, on the other hand, create their core by overpaying for one thing. Scoring!
I been a leaf fan for a long time and I’m doing my part to protest their play by cancelling my leafs subscription yesterday. They want my money. Earn it!
If this question has been being asked after every leafs loss since 2017 then I have a feeling its 3 things. The roster, the coach, and, the fanbase.
The game that they lost 5-3 in regulation. I think it was a stupid coaching move to mess with the line structure when they were still up by a goal and half way through the 3rd period. If he wasn’t happy with Tavares play he should have just made him a healthy scratch next game.
Hayes, there were a ton of Leaf fans there Saturday night too and the team shit the bed!
As a leaf fan for 40 yrs ,seeing what's going on right now, I'm disgusted. If they go on this road trip and shit the bed, "F" the playoffs, become sellers and start over. That includes firing Shanny. By the way, the habs beat Colorado last night. just sayin.
People say well you can't go after every slight or cheap shot. Thing is if a guy does you a cheap shot even small you give him a face wash at least. Then he thinks I give the guy a little whack on the back of his leg or on the foot, and that is what I got. He thinks twice about a hard ross check in the ribs, like is it worth it cause they might go nuts. It is like anything when you play again, you sure as hell aren't as bold. If Marner goes in there and gives a hard Cross check or pulls the guy down every one gets in there and he would be beat up but shows everyone is willing to stand up.
It's time to factor in the "Money Ball" strategy.
From the fans to the ownership group to the management to the coaches to the players, there is a pervasive culture of losing that is embedded into the very core of everything this team is. There is no fixing it.
I kinda erased detroits 2nd and 3rd goal. But re-watching detroits first 3 goals were leafs dman fault. McCabe turns the puck over on the first one,brodie half ass back check on the 2nd and the 3rd one lily makes a terrible terrible turnover
Gordie Howe, maybe you heard of him, people said he was dirty, but he dished some out anytime you F'ed with him and he was left alone long enough to score lots of goals. He was 6 ft and 205 in his early years, not a giant, but fearless. About thee Coach. I feel for him, he has more problems there than I think most people can understand. His top guys are over paid and play Ho Hum, when they are not feeling it. The bottom guys, well some would like more ice and some points so they can move on. Others are just trying to stay.
If Mathews played in the CHL instead of the No Hit Euro League he’d be a monster out there. 6’3 230 monster power forward/Center.
Seems like the sky has to be falling for Leafs to dig deep and play structured consistent hockey. That's a room thing. And the room must begin with the coach. Look at Edmonton's turnaround after their coaching change. Different coach different message same players. This is year 5 of the Keefe era - time for a fresh voice not simply mixing the lines like tossed salad.
Knies played 175 Jr, type games, USHL and College, before the NHL. John Tavares, played 314 games in arguably the best development league in the world. Now the Leaf's have piled a big responsibility on Knies. I question the thinking in that.
I think he’ll be ok but remember he’s still a rookie. He’s got speed and size and isn’t afraid (Nylander) to go and dig in the corners.
Their roster is far too top-heavy. Over half of their salary-cap is spent on 4 players that have never won anything. It is one thing to pay players premiums after they have led your team somewhere, but the 4 players on Toronto have 1 playoff series win out of 8 total series played. That is only winning 12.5% of the time. Nylander or Marner should have been traded last offseason to acquire depth and defense. Right now they have no depth or defense or goaltending. So unless the core 4 players are each contributing multi-point games the team loses because nobody else on the team is good enough to provide support.
Definitely roster. You put any coach in there and they'll play the same way.
Culture is sometimes higher than you think 🇨🇦😁
The Leafs are simply not a cup contender AGAIN this year! Players lack toughness and think they can win games with fancy passing and shots! They lack good defense and goaltending.
Coaching 100%. Look at the change in the Oil. Remarkable. Exact same roster. Two different teams. From fragile to dominant in a month.
They don’t have the passion or drive to win. They do have a drive to play well in a contract year to get a big raise
Montreal grits out a win against Colorado, Toronto throws one away against the Avs. The Leafs have more skill on one line than the entire Habs roster combined.
Time to bring in Burube now while we can salvage this season.
I hate to blame the Ballard curse, but at this point the excuses are running out.
I simply don't understand why after early exits from the playoffs 4 years in a row under Keefe he's still coach. It's unbelievable. I don't get it, WHY???
Good luck ❤
It’s Dubas’ fault
I shit my pants yesterday, it was Kyle Dubas’ fault
@@Gum_Cuzzler..doubtful he’ll come back from Pitt to wipe you’re arse.
Change the coach, if that don't wake the players up, nothing ever will. The Leafs as players are way way to comfortable. This team is at the point where they need a major shake up. The top brass is comitted to the core, they've changed the bottom 6 wholesale almost every 2 years, only card left is the coach. Get a guy like Berube in that room, and its a different team.
Update. It did not get better for the Leafs vs the Oilers. 😅
Almost any team in the NHL would benefit from upgrading certain areas of their roster.
The Leafs problems are ABSOLUTELY because of Keefe!! And have been for years. Matthews and Marner carry Keefe, not the other way around. Imagine what that team could do with an actual competent NHL coach!!
Imagine what they could do if they had any toughness.
What have they done in multiple playoffs. NOTHING
Salary cap. Greed kills teams.
@@dh12. soilers don't have any toughness, they seem to be doing just fine.
You can just tell by looking at Keefe that he sits with his legs crossed and probably shaves his legs. He more than likely tells his players not to fight under ANY circumstances!!
@paull6156 name 1 other cup winner since the cap era with 4 high priced player. There's none. You need balance on 4 lines a deep defense and goaltending. The leafs don't have money to address those issues. You have to trade one or two of the core
How many coaches has this core gone through?
Whether the Leafs should make changes to the coaching staff has been discussed extensively and whatever anyone thinks of Keefe or any other Leaf coach, roster construction no doubt has been a problem. It may very well be, should neither Marner nor Tavares waive his full-blown no-move clause, to buy out this offseason the contract of each forward. The respective per-season cap hits are US$10.903 and US$11 million, with, should such buyouts occur this coming offseason, such hits of, for the:
- 2024-25 season, US$10,386,334 and US$10,393,334 to free up US$516,666 and US$606,666 of cap space for US$1,123,332 total cap space
- 2025-26 season, not even US$400,000/player
Do I see such buyouts likely to occur? At least not for as long as Brendan Shanahan remains President although his time to go has already come, and hopefully will come before the 2024 offseason buyout period has begun.
I think Tavares will not be renewed this summer. They could trade Marner too for a couple of good defensemen.
Marner got his 600th point last night, while Nylander has about 475 while playing 2 years longer. Marner helped Mathews win the Rocket, and Tavares a career high 47 goals. He runs the PP, is on the 1st PK, is also the fastest to 400 assists in Leafs history and you’ll trade him. What happens when he goes, and who makes up for all those points lost?
@@guyh.4121the amount of points not given cuz of the returns will be greater than his points
In the end one is improving every year and the other gets praised every time he turns the puck over.
So yes I keep Nylander as he is even done well with his PK time
@@guyh.4121 He only played one year more and only for 22 games. With Willys holding out I think Marner has actually played more games. In order to comment you should pay attention more…….
@@guyh.4121Again, you epitomize exactly what the problem is with this team. You're so caught up in their individual stats. That should be secondary. What matters is constructing a team that can actually contend for a cup. Not a team where it's more of a concern that Marner has become the fastest player to 600 points in Leafs history. This team has won nothing, as it's currently constructed. Doesn't matter how many individual stats they have.
How many more coaches do they need to try before stating the obvious
The teams soft across the board ...and the coach has a foot in Pittsburgh already
Rip the C off of Tavares. Fire Keefe.
Its both, without any doubts.
Add 2 good defenceman? Where are they coming from? Do teams just give them away? Check the cap. How do you pay for them? Talk all day. 4 players have 53% of the cap.
BERUBE Available ??
Anyone remember when Janssen destroyed Kaberle and O-Dog just skated away? (I know, not his job, but do something). Belak RIP sorted it next game.
They need a coach that can put the fear in his players not treat the fab 4 like Disney on ice Someone anyone should have stepped up for Mathews.
Give me a Quinn or Burns type again. Those were my favourite Leafs teams of the modern era. Sure they weren’t without their flaws but man did they have heart and soul, toughness, grit; something that has been lacking for years. It didn’t start with the Dubas/Shannahan era, but this club lost its soul a long time ago. It hasn’t worked with the current make up of this team. I’ve said it for years, the Leafs, or any team for that matter, will not win a thing with 4-5 players taking up over 50% of your cap. Change it up. Also stop going to games and paying these nonsensical prices for these games. Perhaps will see some change. Until then, this is simply the definition of insanity. 🤦🏻♂️🤦🏻♂️🤦🏻♂️
Play Heldeberg he could kick some butt.
Save your assets and move Marner in the offseason. Hayes is right--this team isn't one big move away from establishing itself as a key contender. Just roll the dice with this roster and who knows, they may win a round or two
Who would want Marner? He's streaky, and the moment the puck drops in the playoffs, you need a program to find him. Ponder this: who would you rather have: Marner at 11 mill, or someone like J.T. Miller at 8 mill?
The Toronto Maple Tissues...
Your best trade assets are burdened by contracts that no one wants....
Everytime brodie is on the ice a goal is scored hes terrible and needs to be out of the line up or traded.
Both. Get Chychrun, Pinto and Jarventie from Ottawa and 2 defensive D. Keep Benoit, Lagesson, Rielly and Liljegren for the 3rd pair. The rest on D gone. You move a 1st in 2026 and 2028 and some prospects. Use the 1st in 2024 for a power forward around 6’2-6’3 190-200 lbs. Trade Jarnkrok and Kampf for a 2nd each. Get Lukas Fischer at the draft and slot him into that damn roster.
It is not the coach or coaches. There’s a team issue. You get a guy who can do what you need him to do (face off guys, checking guys etc.) You get a guy like Tavares or O’Reilly or Perry now Matthews who will be your game clincher. Benoit is a stay at home defensemen. Reilly is your offensive defensemen. We need more Penalty killers, Penalty drawers, checkers that don’t get penalties & can score goals. Marner bless him but we can get three players to bring what he brings. Nylander has been great but he just got paid. We can find hungrier guys. We need to develop Domi. Gregor has been great. What happened to Kampf’s play? Get him back to where he was asap. Sign Perry. Develop Knies. Develop Timmins. Wait for Murray to see if he’s changed after that surgery. Develop Woll. Keep Jones. Samsonov I like but it’s business here. We can get more & he’ll perform better elsewhere. We need fresh blood to show that choking is not an option. There’s way too high of a ratio of choking. If it’s mental, get some professionals to talk through it. The curse is supposed to be lifted. 😅
I just watched that failed poke check goal from Sprong? and o_dog is right about the lack of effort from TJ Brodie. The guy didn't have any hustle knowing your pairing half broke his stick and the play is back to your zone, he should have bolted back. He looked like a fat kid with poor cardio doing P.E class. I have seen people bitch about the D but I never realized how right they were until O-Dog pointed it out a specific incident here. They are just giving up too early and often. I can't imagine what Keefe is thinking seeing this as his players aren't playing for him.
I have to think there are much more eager players in the A that are willing to break their backs for a chance so why not give them a shot? It can't be any worse than this pathetic effort by the regulars. No way!
1 playoff win with this core. Roster problems
It is absolutely a coaching issue. The definition of stupidity is doing the same thing over and over and expecting a different result.
Is it possible that the rest of the team, are tired of the 10 million dollar plus players. And have left the favored five fend for themselves ?