This is OVERKILL - ROG Ally + RTX 4090 XG Mobile Review
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- čas přidán 22. 05. 2024
- In this video, we take a look at the ridiculous performance of ROG Allly and the RTX 4090 XG Mobile eGPU.
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What is XG Mobile & Why Would You Want it? - 00:00
Specs - 01:34
Activating XG Mobile - 02:07
Configuring Ally for Max Performance - 02:52
Considerations - 05:10
Benchmarks - 05:57
PC Game Tests - 07:27
Emulation - 14:52
Would I buy an XG Mobile?- 16:27
Recommendations - 17:49
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insert *Unlimited Power* gif
Gaming on the go in 2024 gonna be crazy 🎉
except it isn't, you're clearly limited by your CPU
Cringe
Insert bass drop from Rise of Skywalker
How is it in comparison to 4090 gaming laptop?
Still insane that this 4090 mobile gpu costs way more than a desktop 4090..
And it's just a 4080 with a performance of a 4070ti
@@avrhamcom not even a 4070ti
its a trash Gpu more not over price shit XD
Twelve years ago, people like you were probably like: "Still insane that this portable PlayStation Vita costs more than a PS3."
@@OutlawMantis -🤓
If ROG released an enclosure so you can use desktop class cards, I would use my Ally as my primary PC.
That would kill their real objective, which is to sell you their overpriced proprietary crap.
That would ruin their business model.
Imagine if they just went with some sort of double thunderbolt/usb-C solution instead of one usb-C + some weird janky iPhone 4 looking connection. And if not, is it too much to ask for them to make the onboard gpu connected to the built in screen and the e-gpu connected to an external monitor as an standard option or something? Kinda expected that feature on my ROG Z13…
The hope is in a few years the Steam Deck 2 will have thunderbolt eGPU support.
that is exactly why they avoid putting usb4 on ally, to sell their expensive shit
I want it with my Ally to play on TV, but $1999 is too much. Good review.
Damn I didn't know you were a gamer
It's KarlRock lol
There are other xg mobile gpu's!
@@T90MT The videos I know him from were about games and consoles lol
You can with docks. Alot of steam deck docks are compatible.
The fact that 4K native is coming to a semi-portable form factor is incredible. Even if it expensive now in another 5 years or so this is a tempting sort of setup.
Expensive ... and requires a huge external enclosure, which to me entirely disqualifies it from the "handheld" category. For high-performance portability -- there have been high-end laptops for years.
This is meant for hardcore gamers who want access to the best hardware money can afford paired with a handheld device. This setup works best with an external monitor setup + keyboard/mouse or controller.
None of us need a Lambo but some of us are going to get it and drive the shit out of it anyway.
its not gonna last long just make sff its a better option its capped to 330 watts and theres no guarantee how long is the xgmobile life span with small factor it might not be worth it in the long run
@@Chris-ih4hj SFF is pretty great...they just dropped a 4060 Ti that fits in a Velka 3, that's better performance than almost any mobile GPU.
@@cris1735if it was made for hardcore gamers it would've had touchpads. As of now it's just a toy for the richer kids
Great video. I have the 6850 XG Mobile and it works great. The Ally is my dedicated gaming PC, and I use it docked most of the time. I don’t play the most demanding games, but it runs everything that I want so I am happy.
Got my ROG Ally in the mail today and my XG Mobile (6850M) yesterday. I really REALLY love this setup. In fact, I've taken my gaming PC out of my office and have moved to just this setup as my primary. My gaming rig is now in my theater.
How is that egpu when it comes to running games at 4k or 1080p, can you hold 60? I don't have a pc because I don't have room for a desktop setup and I've been looking at the ally for a minute. I want to buy both ally and 6850m so that I can take it to people's house.
@@iiishception Lookup 6700XT benchmarks. the 6850M XT AFAIK is just a 6700XT
I have got the XG 6850m to use with the z13 flow. I love it. Also love the flow I got last years model cheapish so only has 12900h and only a 4gb 3050Ti but performance is great and love the 13" screen (with no keyboard) paired with a controller over handheld pc's/ normal laptop. Just fits my use case.
I order the XG 6850 for my X13 laptop and to use with my Ally ,anything I need to know or your opinion about it?
I mean, I don't see myself ever forking out for a mobile 4090, but it is neat to think about.
It's kind of a shame they didn't come up with some kind of sleeker docking experience though too. That massive proprietary cable just jutting out of the top isn't exactly the sleekest look.
It would be awesome if a modder could reverse engineer the port and create a XG port to PCIE slot cable. The port looks similar to an Oculink port but it seems to be proprietary which is a shame because you can already get Oculink to PCIE adapters that can be used to make an eGPU setup.
it should be fairly easy, if someone has some good soldering skills, to create an XG to PCIE port adapter. It is only a connection of wires, there is nothing special about it, that is what ROG is doing in the first place anyway... just connecting the wires from PCIE to their proprietary contacts on the adapter.
Yeah, I think ASUS made a huge mistake. Instead of trying to sell their £2000 eGPU that has a custom port. It would've been better to sell a custom £150 dock, which allows you to use any GPU and you just slot the ROG Ally into like a Nintendo Switch.
It's definitely cool in a world where you want to be minimalist and just have this one device as your gaming thing. Take it portably with you then dock it at home. The price being so high kills the idea though.
HI thanks for the video , I just got the Ally today , and will have to save for this 4090, I have a 4070 on my desktop, Gave you a Sub from the UK
Very good video! Would it be possible to shoot a direct comparison between all the eGPU models?
This is amazing. But i sometimes feel that the lack of sufficient battery support makes the portable consoles incomplete, and in the long term unsustainable, because who knows how long those batteries will last.
i feel like for these product its kind of like the old PSP days. Just long enough life so when they dont hold a reasonable charge anymore 3rd party extended replacements will be available. lol
I think a lot of the ergonomic problems with the XG Mobile stem from it not being designed with the Ally in mind, it was designed with the laptops its compatible with in mind. Imagining it wrapping the cord around from behind the screen of a laptop makes more sense than trying to wrangle it plugging into a handheld.
Better yet, have the GPU communicate with the device via a WiFi direct 802.11ac chip that plugs directly into the top of the device, then you can just plug the GPU in the wall and enjoy games on the comfort of your couch without the dreaded wire
To get the on screen keyboard up for wifi, hold 1 of the back panel "macro" buttons, and up on the dpad, that will bring up the on screen keyboard
I purchased the 2022 model XG mobile AMD 6850 XT to pair with my ROG ally when it was on sale at Asus for 799. Along with 699 for the Rog ally, and paired with a monitor I already owned, its a very capable system to play docked at high settings, and undocked reduced settings. This realizes the design of having a great portable system with more power when docked.
This is insane setup!! So cool! Thank you for showing us the absolute limits of mobile gaming.
horrible setup
The comparison to the Switch is interesting, because this is essentially a plug-and-play module that actually adds more processing power, and the fact that you don't have to disassemble it and reboot it like a desktop PC is wonderful. On the opposite end of the spectrum is the switch, where the already anemic battery is incapable of fully powering the hardware without brownouts, so you have to connect it to the dock [solely for power] in order to unlock the higher processing ability, but even that is still horribly limited - if you plug the eGPU into the Ally, you get boosted performance on-device. But on the Switch, even if you take the official nintendo power supply and plug that into the switch instead of the dock, you do NOT get boosted performance. It's simply absurd dealing with the same amount of lag and stuttering because Nintendo decided to lock that feature behind their dock.
That's one of the things that I don't like about the Switch.
@@TakiUdon it would be more justifiable if the dock contained booster hardware of some sort, or if the switch would run at full core/clock when plugged into a charger, but without one or the other it really is less likable :/ I've picked up a used switch lite until they do a proper revamp.
Wow. I didn't realize the throttling in the Switch was mainly related to the battery.
@@gabrielrullan7451 the dock lacks any kind of active cooling which means the switch is capable of fully cooling itself at peak performance, but the battery cannot sustain that without risking brownouts. As it is the battery life is quite poor and the cells die faster and faster as time goes on, hopefully they release a Deck-style model that's thick enough for a legitimately useful battery but we will see. As it stands now, all switches (including the Lite) can fit in a dock to charge, so a real "Pro" model with a proper battery would likely be too thick and thus not backwards compatible with existing docks.
@@StormBurnX Nintendo really shoot themselves in the foot with that dock design. I remembered seeing it back in 2017 and my first thought was, why?
This will be amazing in a year or 2 when the price is a fraction of what it is now. It will keep the Ally alive well beyond the normal lifecycle.
A decade or 2*
@@BluesFanUK_ lol 2 decades ago the original xbox was the most powerful console. This won't even be a thought.
@@ultracellez1989 20*
@@ultracellez1989 bold of you to assume that nvidia won't keep the price of the 4090 ridiculously high even when the 6090 is released
@@ultracellez1989 Huh?
I think this can be a solid option for some specific people, maybe some people who travel all the time due to work and want to be able to play their games without needing to carry a laptop everywhere. The cable length is a pretty big issue fur sure though.
This is me exactly. I travel a lot, and that’s why I love the Ally. But I don’t bring the XG Mobile with me when I travel, it just serves as my dock for when I am home, so I can play on a bigger screen.
@OddEyeUrkle with that amount of money why not just buy a separate home pc?
@@OddEyeUrkle even more, for that amount of money, why not just buy a gaming laptop?? All in one system without having to lug around your ally and the egpu.
This is CRAZY !!!! this is just their first device !!! And it really has some promises upon the future updates..
Yes, like everyone keeps nonstop repeating, it's no desktop 4090. BUT when you consider that you're getting desktop 3090ti-ish performance on top of DLSS3 frame gen, it's still insane.
You're getting 4060 performance with dlss just with extra vram 🤡🤡
@@Weneedaplague it’s a 4070 performance, stop low balling
the game shown at the beginning is called core keeper for those wondering
I'm sure that the extra bandwidth is precisely for this use case, and that the bandwidth provided is why there is a lack of bottlenecking.
its mind blowing the tech used to run this tech but limiting the Gpu of 150 Wh kinda renders the 4090 kinda useless as you can go with lower GPU for same performance or even better with lower price
If they ever come with an adapter that lets you hook up a desktop gpu of your choice for a good price then I’m in.
Its called an egpu enclosure
Play on pc then u baboon
Nice review. The only thing I don't understand is on many of your games the CPU is locked at 1797mhz. Is this because the CPU is throttling or did you have it locked in armory crate? The first couple games tested the CPU is around 2800mhz. The CPU wattage seems to be around 30 watts in all test give or take a few.
Never would've expected to finally understand SPL and SPPT for my zephyrus in an ally video
It has higher bandwidth because it's basically an external pcie port just wait for usb5/thunderbolt 5
The XG Mobile tech that ASUS made is based off of an Oculink connector which is the reason why it gets better performance than Thunderbolt and USB4.
I went for a rog flow z13 over the ally and paired with the rtx 3080 mobile it’s a tank really stoked on it.
That SD card slot is actually awesome. You could put all games that NEED the Egpu to run.
Hey taki, do you offer services on pretty much answering "does X game work on X handheld" i released a game late last year and would love to see how it runs on the lower spec windows handhelds.
No, but I can check if you ask on Discord.
That proprietary dock kills it for me. I can't justify spending $2000-3000cdn~ for this combo.
the amd xg mobile is for around 800 though
Do you know/have a way to test the XG mobile’s DisplayPort 1.4 with a MST splitter for 2 monitors at 1440p?
can you connect the external gpu and plugin the charger and use external screen and mouse and keyboard in the same time ?
I need to know what game that was in the beginning of the video, it looks like so much fun! Plus my Ally comes in tomorrow so I need some fun games for it lol
Looks like it's Core Keeper
@@SterAlux i think that's what it is, i saw it when he jumped into armoury crate. I added it to my steam wishlist already lol
Me watching the video at 144p: Heck yeah, that addon really makes the difference 😎
Lol
Hi, great video 😊. What game were you playing at the beginning of the video?! Thanks!! :))
Core Keeper
I looked up some benchmarks and this is the equivalent to a 3090 desktop gpu. That's insane
If it was a desktop 4090 then maybe it would be worth it..
Exactly just buy one of the razer egpus cases and insert it 😂
If only the 4090 egpu was cheaper than the actual 4090 lol
@@kiri3639 That’s because it is an actual 4090, it just costs more because it has a usb enclosure around it
Have you considered the RAM reserved for the iGPU? At 4:58, in the Armoury Crate window, it shows 11.7 GB system memory, which is consistent with an allocation of 4 GB to the iGPU. You probably need to go in the BIOS to change it, but since you don't need it while plugged into an XG Mobile GPU, you could probably squeeze more performance where you're memory constrained, such as in Jedi Survivor where you crashed several times due to lack of memory
That should only be in reference to the iGPU, but this guy has 16GB of dedicated RAM that should not be blown through for that game, so it's strange.
I kinda want someone to do a fps benchmark on popular games with the rog ally using fsr, since realistically I'll be using fsr in my games.
unbelievable!
fun fact, the gpu has 16gb vram because its not a 4090, its actualy a 4080
How is this even legal
@@Avioto Laptop gpus are less powerful compared to their desktop counterparts. They were saying that the 4090 mobile is using desktop 4080 hardware.
@@Avioto because I'm pretty sure they have the names to target certain power profiles, it doesn't and never will match a desktop GPU. The RAM configuration is probably not because it's a 4080, but because laptops require a small bus width. It's not some elaborate scheme...
No shit, nobody expects it to be as powerful as a desktop GPU. It's a small laptop GPU that doesn't need heaps of power.
Performance-wise, it's closer to a 4070 (non-ti).
A nice insertion was achieved at 2:21
Do you have a recommendation of what the base clock and memory clock should be at for max performance
Just get a GPD WinMax 2 (or upcoming Win4 refresh) with Oculink port and use whatever graphic card and eGPU module you want for a fraction of the cost.
True, it would have a cheaper cost, but it consumes far more power, will be far noisier and won't be easy to transport.
@Mantis: Mega Outlaw Star Fan GPD has a lower cost AMD based eGPU coming out that will give a high-end gaming performance, at a fraction of the cost, that can be used with any system that has USB 4, Thunderbolt 3/4 or Oculink.
I got my ally yesterday, glorious one day early lol.
Lucky!!!
I own an ROG Zephyrus G16, it has a Thunderbolt 4 Usbc port, but I’m not sure if that’s compatible with the cable used on the eGPU, is there any adapter that I can use? Assuming it’s compatible of course. Thanks!
Asus needs to make a dock with the Xgpu built in,they can do so much with the Ally.
The length of the wire is the biggest killer and should have been addressed before slapping the port on the ally so they could sell their backstock of overpriced GPUs 😵💫
As an owner of both units I agree, the cable length is a bit bad. However on some setups, even if you dock the device, it will still charge the unit even if you dont utlise the gpu which means you have x2 charging cords, so you can leave the other one at home or even at work/in the car. So you can have a x2 setup, one at home, one in the office/car/friends.
The price is admittedly high, but it gives you a mobile gpu pc/gaming console kit. its the ultimate portable setup whether it be a laptop or tablet or the ally plugged into it.
I think when people see the actual kit together it opens up a lot of options.
Yes there are cheaper options such as a pure gaming laptop or just pure work laptop, but the units are light enough to be portable in both modes. Or you can just grab the Ally for light gaming on the go, or the tablet for some work, or even the laptop for a little bit of both. This is why I like the kit.
It also extends the life of the laptop/tablet/Ally. The gaming decks are already struggling with modern games, one of the reasons I prefer the Ally over the Steam Deck. You have the best of both worlds.
Only issue is the short cable it drives me nuts, I hope someone makes a cable extender kit.
you know the cable length affects performance yeah?
@jamesick I did wonder if their was a reason for the length. I use a wireless keyboard mouse option and/or xbox controller so it not really an issue when docked. More the undocking method used. Although I have seen people use pci express cable adaptors on ad hoc gpu setups with external psu. Does the length really affect performance that much?
Kinda kills the whole "cheap" moblie PC gaming
Remember graphics add-on back in the days like Sega Genesis and 32X. Seeing how its done today is amazing
Bro been cooking this video for 10 days🤯
This is just insane😲
It happens very often :[
@@TakiUdon wow...
Thanks for all your hardwork😉
I have to ask, why a 4090? you will ALWAYS be CPU limited with this device when using a 4090 because of the weak CPU in comparison, even when using 4K resolution. They should have used something like a 3080 for MUCH cheaper and you'd probably STILL always be CPU limited.
The mobile version of a RTX 4090 is not as powerful as the desktop variant, not even close. matter of fact, it is on par with a desktop rtx 4060.
just buy a pc at this point
No lol
It is a pc technically
That’s what I’ve been saying lmao
can you do benchmark with obs while streaming and recording, i would like to know the fps hit on games
This is not fair that my newly had 3080 mobile is out done by this add on by nearly double on timespy - THAT is still handicapped. Insane! But also insane price too.
"Totally playable", haha. My dude, no offense, but 1999$ + the costs of the ROG Ally and under 60 FPS? That is a big nope.
Agreed , just buy a laptop and this point
Dunnp about overkill but I've tried the display unit at a store and it struggled to play Sf6 at 1080p 60fps so I has to lower it down to 720p to play smoothly
It's overkill cause of the CPU bottlenecking that's why.
They need to change that connector. If you want to play in handheld, that bulky thing is putting a lot of stress on the port. They really should have made it a simple plug (with an optional down angle adapter) and put any pcb components down further on the cable and have a longer cable.
While as mentioned there is a performance hit, using in handheld, it would be nice while traveling.
Taki, is the type-c port on xg mobile support displayport?
If your buying this it's really not to buy an external gpu because that would cost thousands
this is like sticking a 4090 to an i3 and expecting good performance for double the price
Big reason the performance barely dropped when not using an external screen, is the fact the connector Asus uses allows for eight PCIe lanes. USB4 and Thunderbolt only go up to four lanes (and basically up to a pair of lanes when having to send data between the mobile screen and eGPU).
What’s the real time monitor you’re using to see fps and temps etc?
hear me out... just get a laptop :)
For sure
Laptop 🤮
It's better than ally and egpu for sure@@GPTLeader
@@GPTLeaderur family 🤢🤮
WHY SHOULD I GET IT WHILE I CAN BUY SOMETHING THAT LOOKS MORE BETTER AND PERFORMS GOOD
As someone who wants to get into pc gaming and purchasing one of these handheld pc consoles, I think this makes sense. For me personally I really don’t need a desktop and an ally. It takes up less space and is basically a hybrid pc set up. Only downside for me is the price difference but not a big deal. I’ll wait to see if they make a new ally model before buying.
I had same thoughts but I'm also on the road traveling year round. Always wanted a pc but it never made sense. Also tired of lugging my ps5 around. It might not make sense to a lot of people but for me this is perfect
Where do you place the external GPU. On your desk top?
"line it up, push it into place". That's some quality directions there..........
Gonna get the 3080 xgmobile and run everything at 720. 1080p and above is overkill (for me) due to the amount of megapixels with screen size. Gonna have mad fps and super stoked to have a portable pc with insaneeee specs
God, I can't believe they didn't bother to make the connecter cable longer this time around. It's SO short!! That's honestly kind of a dealbreaker. I don't really want this thing sitting on top of my desk screaming at me just so I can play games on my laptop at high quality. I'd prefer to mount it underneath the desk. But that's not really an option unless you put your computer/Ally right at the very back edge of your desk lol.
This is pretty neat 👏
I hope asus rog ally 2 will be here soon
What game were you playing at the beginning of the video? Looks fun.
To be fair. It’s cheaper than a new Titan even with the handheld. I would love this but limited compatibility is an issue. Plus I wonder about the integrity of the external gpu.
What is the first game shown in the video, please?
Feeling like I’m missing out on the best performance you can get on the ally because I wont drop $2k extra is the main reason I can’t get myself to buy. I’d just always feel there’s more to the device. I know I’m weird
are you playing the games you demo'd on Steam or another application? Most of my games are on PS so just curious if i have to rebuy my games.
I'm playing Steam games, but you can buy s subscription service to something like Xbox game cloud if you don't want to rebuy games.
When are these going to be in stock? Did they make like 2 of them and just ship them to influencers?
Here in the UK on the Asus website it's £1200, and the ally is £700. Meaning it costs nearly 2 allys
Do you still have the XG? I wonder how well this set up works with Palword.
The out of memory thing has something to do with the pagefile settings. I had the same issue when I first got the game with my desktop 4090.
Im hoping these egpus come down in price as the market is not selling alot of gpus at all
I have a 4090 in my desktop of, it flies. Says a lot for this gaming handheld when they sell an optional 4090 device. I’ll stick with my steam deck, does what I want it to do and handles new AAA games very well…
I use mine as a HTPC replacement its a bit loud but the sound system is more than enough to drown it out.
Looks like Asus just combined an Occulink and USB-C together into a proprietary port vs. what GPD is doing keeping them separate, but same technology. Since GPD is only making a AMD 7800XT with theirs, I wonder how long until we see an adapter port for these nvidia gpu's theirs (or vise-versa).
Maybe if I seriously considered gaming in PC I would buy this, but I’m barely going to get my ally and would probably use it mainly for emulation and few AAA games
What game were you playing at the start?
Might get this for my ally, but unlike everybody else I'll be using it with the ally screen. Should last a little while
IIRC the USB-C port that's part of the XG connector can be used as a normal port
Ive jusy got the 3080 and been nothing but impressed with it. This is my only gaming computer and playing my games in 4K. It os expensive but its been worth it for my. Tv downstairs has 3080 dock tv upstaies just a notmal dock and then handheld when i want on go or just pickup and play. Definitely changes my thoughts on mobile gaming.
Please, when you can, make a comparison video of XG mobile vs Oculink external GPU as this would sway my decision from either buying GPD win max 2 refresh or the ROG Ally
I have the XG Mobile for my Flow X13, time to buy the Ally then~
I have an XG mobile 3070, which came bundled with my ROG Flow X 13.
I can't imagine wasting the Ally's form factor by connecting it to the XG mobile.
The x13 flow should be a 3080 ? Not 3070
@@bboyalanleung123 I think it depends on the year it was manufactured.
do you think having an xg mobile amd version is worth buying? wondering if the increase FPS will be reasonable.
what's the game that's playing in the start of the vid? looks interesting
This is gonna be my new setup someday
What the meaning being handheld if we add a cable for external gpu?