How to Double the Torque on a 24V Cummins | 1100 lb ft | Power Driven Diesel
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- čas přidán 13. 09. 2021
- In this episode, Baron dyno tests his 98.5' Dodge Ram 24V Cummins. He follows up with back to back dyno runs testing Quadzilla, bigger injectors, and bigger turbos. Follow along to see what it takes to double the torque of a 24v Cummins equipped Dodge Ram.
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The table at the end of the video, is nice to compare each modification.
Thank you
Keep the VP44 videos coming! Great video
We will!
Would love to see you guys do a in depth about doing the custom tuning on the quadzilla!👍👍
i second this big time. its not hard to do but its hard to know whats gonna work or not i always fear for my engine when i load my own tune lol even though i'm sure its fine
There already is tons of info to read and even and individual who I watched work with quadzilla directly in setting up the quadzilla his name is nick. czcams.com/video/Jr6k2D8w33E/video.html
THIS IS WHAT WE ALL WERE WANTING! WE NEED MORE!
Thank you more to come
Out of all the Dodge rams this is my favorite body style
They are good looking trucks
I recently bought a bone-stock 98.5 five-speed. I’ve installed a 4in straight pipe and just got my FASS lift pump delivered today, both are from you guys. Very excited that you started this video series just before I start my quest for power.
If you could, please address limiting factors like when you need headstuds or other components for reliability, or egt safety parameters. Thanks for being a solid and informative company by enthusiasts, for enthusiasts.
40-50 psi of boost is when you wanna start putting head studs in on these trucks
@@square348apple3 I pushed 44psi and crazy high EGT till I put a bigger turbo , never had head gasket issue , 230K miles on a ... gasp ... 53 block ... gasp ...
@@dartgts383 and a blind squirrel finds a blind nut ecery once in a while lol... 99 times out of 100 if you push 45 psi your gonna blow the head gasket. o ring heads and arp studs is just safe anyways, especially if you plan to add more in the future.
53 blocks are hit and miss. mine went 320k. there were some that went 20k, some still at 200k, some as high as 700k. alot broke and some didnt. they made hundreds of thousands of these engines lol.
I used to hear from haters how my budget crower 'neon' valve springs were going to wear out my cam etc. and break my truck. LOL 9 years later still runnin just fine. Last dyno run was 576hp, 1285tq on a SO-VP44 fuel only. (adrenaline, compound twins, 6x.013 injectors and supporting mods like push rods, head studs, DD clutch, 150gph lift pump, gauges, etc.)
Keep these VP44 vids comin'! good to see these old trucks still getting some love.
As a 2nd gen owner I support this video.
Thank you
Well it was about 13 years ago, but this affirms my thought that I doubled my torque when I installed an adrenaline on my '01 came with a decent fuel economy gain as well. Tough to argue with the bang for buck improvement of that little box. 👍
Couldn't agree more!
Great stuff. These are my favorite videos you’ll put out. I like numbers.
Awesome, thank you!
Long live the VP trucks. Love my 99 5 speed.
Us too!
Crazy that a old engine like the 5.9s can produce the torque the new diesels are making
Why , the newer engines are just turned up 5.9's. The reason the 12v and 24v's were lower power was because Chrysler didn't put a transmission behind it capable of handling the potential. the 5.9 24v in it's non Dodge form was 275HP with an automatic , not 215hp .
@@dartgts383 yeah but what was the torque
@@dartgts383No, that’s not the reason at all😅😂
@@wyo_garage20 enlighten us then
Love seeing the VP content, makes me think about switching from TST PM3 and Smarty SO3 to the Adrenaline tuning stuff on my truck
The quadzilla is where its at. The tunability is second to none, I would highly recommend. I had a smarty, then zilla, would never go back.
We love the Quadziilla they work great
@@horsewhispererr how big of a difference did you notice? I'm about to go from Smarty to Quadzilla on my '01 6spd
@@logut80 its not even comparable, your smarty will only do 65hp tops, the quadzilla is as much as 150hp, in a perfect world. It might be smokey at first, may need some custom tuning. Which I would recommend pdd, or 1badvp44. For all your tuning needs.
@@horsewhispererr yeah I'm pretty excited about how different it SHOULD feel. I seen PDD gained 150rwhp/440rwtq on a stock truck & mine already has 150hp inj, 63mm Tater built turbo, 4" straight exhaust so hoping to get some good gains
It’s been 3 weeks since you uploaded this video. We need to see part 2
Another informative video guys! Everytime you guys post stuff like this it gets me itching to come up there and have you beef up my '05. If only I could get the wifey onboard lol
Thank you Andy.
Look fwd to seeing what a s
Super 9 hx35 will do > 60/67-9cm & the 62/67-9cm!!!
Love my 24v Vp truck
They are great trucks
This awesome i have a similar setup Hx35 62billet /67. and 7x0009s quadzilla tuning. havent made it to the dyno yet but i was thinking like 400whp 800wtq its probably more lol love it. this is a great series cant wait to see more.
*VP owners watching intently* honestly surprised by the HP of the quadzilla with your tunes.
VP owners who've been using quadzilla this whole time already know (;
They work great
Finally this video ! I have a 98.5 and I got a quadzilla from pdd... Now I want to get a turbo and injector package and tune to make it all work together .
No better time them now
But what about the trans 😭
Keep them videos coming... what a great comparison. Love the info card at the end
Thank you
Really enjoyed this video!
Glad you enjoyed it!
sounds like just the quadzilla would do more than what most people need.
Great video guys!!!
Thanks so much!
This is exactly what I’ve been needing to see👌🏽
I would like to see more vp44 content, they dont get enough love, it's all p-pump this and common rail that
We love them as well!
Wish you had done part two like you mentioned .
Just purchased there 400hp kit with the k27 cant wait to install
Do you guys sell an upgraded compressor housing for your house aggressor turbos? Im looking for a 65mm wheel for my 06 62/65
Love my K27 on my 12 valve swap. Spools quick!
They work great
You have a very generous dyno. I'm running, 62/64/.89ar Garrett, 7/.011 DDP sticks, edge comp box, and the best I've ever gotten was 460/1140..
Awesome video, just ordered my kit for a 2001 fummins swap. You guys make it look so easy!!👍
Thank you Good luck
Great series!!looking forward to seeing the next one
What trans should we run. Great video!
Depend on the HP you are making link below is all the transmission that we offer
powerdrivendiesel.com/product-category/drivetrain-transmission/transmissions/
Welding glove turbi swap for the win! Still roasted the digits getting all the hardware loose though Baron............I know how unfriendly those are for trying to feel bolts and even wrenches lmao! Like trying to pick up Red Rider BB gun ammo off concrete........on a cold morning with cold, bare finners hahaha!!
I recently got my quadzilla installed and with the turbo tuner set to 40 the most im seeing is 28 psi of boost. Ive checked for leaks and came up empty. What could be holding it back. 16 psi of fuel pressure with a fass titanium. Clean filter. Fresh hx35.
Awesome video! As said previously, love numbers!! Great info as well. Thank you!!
Glad you enjoyed it!
Well wouldn't you know I just picked up a 99 and been wondering what I can do for more POWA BABY lol
Give us a call any time and we can get you set up
I need to get one of those quadzillas from my 24V...
They Work great
Great content! Very informative! Thanks guys
Glad you enjoyed it!
Would love to see some 7x.010s and a 62/65!!!! Pretty much my truck setup with the quad and TJs tunes
Maybe one day
Do the dynomite stage 1 s362 turbo please.
What gear is in this truck
3.55/4.10? Just curious. Cool video 😎
This truck has the 3.55 gears in it
Keep them coming!!!
We will, but do you have any wishlist videos or ideas we should consider producing/filming?
@@pddofficial well I would love a step by step video of a transmission rebuild with alot of details. Doesn't have to be anything above 1000hp but I would love that.
@@pddofficial p7100 swap. A lot of guys would like to see numbers just from stock p7100 12v to stock p7100 24 valve
@@pddofficial P-pump swap for sure
Naw keep it vp for now a lot of us have vps that’s are watching
Insane how much power the quadzilla makes. I got the same setup just with a 2000 24v and it rips
You got a 47RE or a manual?
@@ryanslattery2977 I got a built 47re
@@wyattsklee6769 how much you think i can safely push one with a shift kit. (I'm a 2WD). Not anything too crazy, just the occasional spirited driving.
@@ryanslattery2977 sorry for the super late response. Anything over 400whp and you’ll probably be slipping. The shift kit would definitely help with longevity tho
Awesome :)
Thanks for the visit
I have a 2000, with an Air Dog Raptor, 4in exhaust and a BHAF. It has some kind of a tune loaded, not sure what it is. Been waiting for a 24V dyno run, thanks!
Thanks for this video! Appreciate it, especially the chart. It would be nice to see the dyno plots overlaid. Especially the s60 vs the k27, this makes it obvious that there is more to power then just boost PSI. At what point are the OEM injectors holding power back?
Would like to see a similar video with a 12 valve
We are working on it
Did it have RV injectors or something? You put to the tires what the engine was rated and thru an auto. I ran several of these trucks on the dyno back in 98 and it was a really good one to put over 200hp to the tires all stock. Most were about 190-195rwhp
His trans is built prolly has a better converter just doing that can add hp an torque believe it or not plus he added a boost elbow to up the stock to from 22psi too 35 roughly
@@KJR-uv6or They were run in lockup so I wouldn't think a built trans would add much power also just cranking up the boost with no more fuel will add no more power and usually hurts it instead because you raise back pressure and intake temps.
It has a 4" exhaust, cold air intake, and boost elbow, and lift pump.. hitting 26 psi vs 21 stock, we too were surprised with the higher than stock power numbers. All of the testing and gains were on the same dyno so fairly solid results.
@@pddofficial how old is the vp pump itself? My truck with 7x013 and your 64.5 turbo kit doesn't feel like any 500 hp 😅
Was the tuning stock or still on 10 for the runs with the new injectors?
They were on level ten
Awesome video guys i really love these real world testing on trucks we can all own without selling our first born child LOL 🤣
AS ALWAYS GOD BLESS AND STAY SAFE OUT THERE 🙋♂️🇬🇧
Thank you Colin
Excellent!
Thank you
How are you making 37psi boost on stock turbo with an automatic trans? I’m just curious, I’ve got a 2001 and the most boost I’ve seen is 25psi
What are the possibilities of testing your 7*0.009 Sac w/ a sx364 and quadzilla? Curious to see what that combo is capable of. 🤫
We may test with a bigger injector the 7x009 is to small for a 364
@@pddofficial what would you recommend for the 364?
I currently run a set of budget builder PDD 7x009 SAC 150s and a quad with mine and it hauls, especially with a load. Wastegated at 45psi.
My shit would blow tf up
nice job...lots of power
Yes, thanks
This may be a stupid question, but...curious how that baseline run was 234hp to the wheels? I thought that year was only 235 crank hp stock. years ago, I ran my 99 with an Edge EZ and only put down 205hp 500tq at the first Weekend on The Edge.
How many miles are on this truck? Great video!!
263xxx
I got my 94 12v free. And i have no idea how to work on the poor thing lmao but im slowly learning
Keep watching are you tube and it will help
Is the k27 available for 12v applications? I've got a 95 2wd dually that has big sticks at 21 degrees of timing, too much fuel for the stock turbo
Someone will probably correct me but that should fit your truck . My 97 and 98.5 look identical from outside except for the downpipe has different mounting styles
The K27 is a drop in for a 12v applications
powerdrivendiesel.com/product/borg-warner-turbos-k27-turbocharger-450hp-bundle/
I must have missed it but what trans is in the truck
It has the 650hp rated PDD Transmission powerdrivendiesel.com/product/tow-daily-driver-street-performance-transmission/
@@pddofficial hey thanks guys , great vids , I would love to tune my truck up , looks like I need a trans first 😀
Where can I get some pdd tuning ? I am local to Cedar , have met Josh before .... Really need your help guys !
Here is the link for it
powerdrivendiesel.com/product/pdd-quadzilla-24v-tuning/
I want to see more on this truck
3:42 lol
Nice video guys !!
Thank you Mike
Looks just like my truck
What kind of drive pressures were you guys seeing with the bigger injectors while using the stock HX-35? I was running 75 hp injectors with my stock HX-35 and blew the majority of my exhaust valve seals.
Depend on the rpm but at 3000 rpms it is really high
I just realized my truck makes way more power than I thought 😅
Great information thank you
Glad it was helpful!
I think I speak for everyone when I say we want to see compounds and a sheilds stage 2 lightning pump on it
Make a video covering the custom tuning on the quadzilla!!
Very good video I got a 99 dodge it's got an edge comp box s and b cold air intake rv275 injectors 4 inch exhaust and a air dog 150 lift pump what kinda power do you think I'm making?
Around 350hp
Were can I get a k27 turbo
We have them in stock here is the link powerdrivendiesel.com/product/borg-warner-turbos-k27-turbocharger-450hp-bundle/
Hey, what boost did it make with the injectors? I have a banks intake ram, afe cold air, bd manifold and 100hp injectors I’m only getting 38-40psi on the hx35 on level 10
41psi
any speculation how much power increase from stock 5.9 h.o / nv5600
to
edge juice unlocked
s475/62mm hx40
sac 7x13 injectors
fass 290 5/8" lines
Those HO VP44 trucks struggle to get past 500 rear wheel HP. Our guess would be 500 HP on that setup, fuel limited by the pesky HO injection pump that runs great in every condition except maximum HP.
AWESOME video! What year is this truck? Your the guy I always talk to when I call PDD and you’ve helped me out tremendously ..Really hope you guys test the HX Super 9. I have your HX super 9 with Your 150HP injectors and I’m pushing 48PSI with head studs on my 99 VP44 truck.. really curious what you guys make with a similar setup!
That turbo is on the test list.... hang tight and follow along, it will be tested and posted in the next video or two.
@@pddofficial awesome I’ll def be keeping an eye out! 👍🏻
Thank you next video is going to be that set up 150 with the k27 and the hx super 9
@@pddofficial Awesome, thanks for the update can’t wait to see it 👍🏻
Can't wait for k27 super 9 comparison
Oh damn, I have a 98.5 motor with mystery 100hp injectors and head studs I'll be swapping into my truck this fall and I found a nice he351cw I threw on it. I would love to see a run with that turbo as I have that and it's a readily available for others to consider for a swap. I wired the motor to run stand alone as it's going into my 93 ford and I'm wondering how the adrenaline plugs in and if I can plug it into the obd port I'll be wiring in when I install it.
Hi Peter the next videos will be on our HX super 9 that is close to a modified he351.For the quad it plugs in to the date link that is on the motor but will only work with Dodge ECM
@@pddofficial Oh nice that's awesome about the turbo test and I look forward to that. Thanks for the info on the quad, I had a suspicion that was the case looking into it superficially and am going to have to do some digging for options to sauce that motor up. I have a 12v that needs rings in the worst way with roughly 400 hp in fueling I got from you guys and swapping to the mild 24v is going to be frustrating I suspect
Loving the VP content.. hopefully possible quick question for you. I have a bone stock 02, 3500 6 speed with a adrenaline tuner on it. I don't have custom mapping on it yet but you said you was seeing 36lbs of boost. At full kill I'm still only seeing 26lbs. Do I have my sensor set up wrong or do I have something else going on?
Do you have a boost elbow?
Is the VP44 really all that bad? What about the #53 block or whatever it is I can’t remember…
I'm late seeing this , what was done to the engine to get those stock numbers , thats a 215 at the crank engine with 20psi max boost ? I just bought a stock 98.5 2wd with 172k miles , I forgot how SLOW they are , my 2000 4x4 was 525 crank HP ...
Nothing it was stock
@@pddofficial then how do you explain a HP figure that is higher than the factory at the crank number , what about drivetrain loss ?
My truck is bone stock. I only make 17 psi boost at the most. It’s a 98 24v does that psi sound right to y’all?
Seems low. Call into the shop we got some guys who love the vp44
Can we please see more videos of tuning with a quadzilla
Maybe one day
Did it make a difference in mpg ?
Stayed the same.
I assume the tuner was on max setting. What would be a relatively safe setting for the stock engine (not trans), and what numbers do you think it'd pull?
Around 400 hp
@@pddofficial Thanks!
Great video, my 98.5 4x4 A/T with 3.55 and the same stuff on it. K27, quadzilla, 75HP injectors with FASS pump, ARP headstuds, 4" ex., S&B cold air intake with ATI bigger Intercooler, adrenaline on full kill, I can get 46psi of boost. EGT'S get over 1600* though. Lol What would you think the HP & torque could be?
We've seen 24v trucks with K27 and heavy fueling hit 490 HP or so... you're probably really close to that power level.
Should be around the same power mid to high 400 range
How high is too high for EGT
Cummins can sustain 1250* in a dyno pull or race 1600*+
I wonder how the Agressor 62 turbo would do.
Maybe some of our testing that we do
@@pddofficial you guys should test it
What level did you have it set on for the stock box tune?
10
You guys should throw a 62/65 on it and see how it dose
Great video! What do you have a link to the exact injectors you used?
Yes here you go powerdrivendiesel.com/product/24v-2nd-gen-injectors-bundle/ 7x.0085 VCO
I've got a 94 12 valve and I just did 4k governor springs in it aswell as a #0 fuel plate, bumped up fuel via the afc a little, and set it at 15.5 degrees of timing. My question is it revs higher than it did before, but ive only seen 2600 rpm so far. I've got the springs clicked in 3 clicks aswell which is recommended. It definitly has more power, and revs a lot quicker, just doesn't even get to 3k rpm. Truck is an auto btw. What do you guys think could be the issue?
Thanks.
Will it free rev above 2600 rpm in neutral? Those early 160hp pumps need excellent lift pump feed pressure to fuel well in the 3000+ rpm range. I'd check fuel pressure while under a load and see if it's falling off. Best bet is to measure at the pressure test port on the fuel filter and run the gauge out onto the windshield and pin it under the wiper blade so you can see it while you test drive. If it's falling below 25 psi, that's your problem. If you want to get more higher rpm performance out of it, go with a hotrod lift pump and higher psi overflow valve set to about 45 psi and it will really come to life!
Sounds like low fuel pressure you want the 94-95 trucks in the high 30 psi range
More please
thank you there is plans for it
Damn it i told my wife no more truck parts till next year, but how, mad can she really get
Right time for some new truck parts just budget for some flower for the wife
I'm not seeing a part two to this video on the channel, were you guys able to continue testing?
My truck is planned to come back and do a lot more testing, we have a new set of nozzles we want to test. since we shot this video I have added compounds and 7x.010 and the truck moves better then it ever has and it struggles to make 1300 egt's
@@pddofficial Awesome! Thank you for the reply!
how much would it cost me for just the tuner?
The Quadzilla tuner is $898.97
Giving a part# for the injector doesn’t help me. How much overstock are they?
the 7x.0085 are about a 50hp increase
I have a 2002 bone stock ram that I’d like to get all this done to it. What is your pricing for it. I can drop it off, I’m in northern Utah
yes we do
Can a stock rebuilt auto handle just a tuner or will I toast it.
Maybe a stock auto with a pan off upgrade powerdrivendiesel.com/product/pan-off-transmission-upgrade-2/
Hey i have the same truck all stock with an edg comp tuner. It Rips! But am I hurting my truck with this tuner? I have a lift pump pooshing 20 psi, i dont know its flow. So now i have ben having this problem, cutting out completely, truck shuts off completely out of nowhere when i get on it. Like at setting number 5 and i do a pull, as soon as boost kicks in and im rippen its like i loose fuel and just cuts out. Hope all that makes sence. Im woundering if i have shot my injection pump. I have fuel pressure and good filter...😩 help☹️
does the pump push 20psi at idle or under full throttle
@@pddofficial my lift pump yes. 20, 19,18,17 goes between those numbers
@@Fun-under-the-hood does it die when your under power or as soon as you let out of the throttle
@@pddofficial not when i let out, when im on it, like led foot. When it happens I tune my edge tuner back down to setting 1 and baby the gas, keeping my foot out of it, if i get into the gas more it Will intermittently sputter almost like a lack of fuel and all of this is an intermittent issue sometimes it does it sometimes not.
@@pddofficial I may try to get a digital fuel gauge that I know is a good quality fuel pressure gauge. And tap into my fuel line just after my fuel filter on its way to the injection pump, to get a digital reading of exactly what my fuel pressure is post injection pump. Do let me know if you have any other ideas. Thank you for replying and helping do a little diagnoses here. Let me know if I'm wasting my time with my idea