IS SHREK 4 THE WORST? | ToonGrin Reviews Shrek Forever After
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Shrek 4 was just It's A Wonderful Life with Shrek. Yet somehow I kinda liked it better than Shrek 3 which bored me to sleep.
Shrek 3 is so forgettable that we barely get a negative reaction to it, Shrek 4 genuinely upsets us.
@@ToonGrin Shrek 4 was good
@@brandonvandine1695 yeah
@@brandonvandine1695 Not it wasn't
Smh this movie is a master piece. It may not have the comedy of shrek 2 but it sure as hell has the emotion. It’s a perfect conclusion to the trilogy(I chose to forget shrek 3). I’m not gonna lie watching your review is kind of showing the lack of knowledge you have on the shrek franchise and the themes and messages these movies are made for. Shrek was a celebrity in shrek 3(because he’s married to royalty )it’s continuity, donkey has 5 babies(dronkeys). The reason shrek and the audience are annoyed at the party is the writers wanted it to be a metaphors for what a cash grab the shrek franchise had become. This review seems like you just saw all the comments online of people who a narrow minded and think shrek 1 is the best and shrek 4 is the worst, then you went watched the movie with all those comments in your head and wrote a review where you turn positives in the movie into negatives
Have a like!
Amen. These guys completely missed the boat on this review. It’s clear they didn’t watch the films for a deeper meaning, rather, they just focused on the comedy
@@drewlally2324 Well, the first three films shared the same lighthearted atmosphere. The fourth one deviates from it so much, it may be seen as unsettling if you're expecting it to retain that lightheartedness.
I really liked it.
You missed one important detail. This film dealt with Fiona's trauma from being locked away for all those years. That was an aspect we hadn't explored before, other than being sidelined as a damsel in distress. It's obvious that Forever After doesn't work as a follow up for the trilogy, but it's not a bad film and it can stand on it's own without being compared to the comedic first entries. This film did not lack the heart nor character interactions from my experience. It's not badly written, it's a solid attempt that has ideas and a few of those ideas aren't executed properly, but there's still a focus that helps the film stay in tact with it's theme.
SlingShot thank u
Than you.
Shrek never hated his life in the first. He just wanted peace and quiet.
It was a bit of both. he is somber in the first film with people hating him. But its not like he despised his life.
@@ToonGrin this is a year late, shrek didnt hate his life. It's made clear that shrek doesnt know how to be a good parent the entire story and no this wasnt a cash grab, if it was they would of made another one. They actually cancelled a planned fifth film for the entire purpose to end the story off on the perfect note.
Honestly i think they ended the story off perfectly. Watch the video on forever after by Schaffrilla.
Exactly what I have to critizise on this review. Shrek remembers his past to be carefree and peaceful. Yes, he didn't like to be hated and feared. But isn't it just realistic that when you remember your bachelor years, you tend to romantizise them? Especially married couples think about the time of how they first met as just perfect after having screaming exhausting kids.
ToonGrin forgets that people are not perfect and may not reflect on their actions when being stressed.
@@ToonGrin kinda. For me, the Shrek films are each about phases in adulthood.
@@MaryArts I agree. It was such the cool thing to say at the time that "Shrek wasnt acting in character". It was lazy criticism. I understand not liking Shrek 4 because of the plot being it's a wonderful life style, but I still think it's a better ending than the toy story movies got. Heck I even looked Shrek 4 more than toy story 3 which I saw both in theaters that year
Forever After is an underrated classic, it basically had Shrek taking the part of having to open everyone’s eyes to the good of the world, the ones who taught him that. I also love his final line “It was you that rescued me.” It really fit with Shrek’s character arc of deserving a happily ever after.
That's a neat perspective to have on this film.
This is literally the perfect ending for Shrek. He finally saw what Fiona has teached him after only thinking he is just an unlovable Ogre that rescued a Princess. Fiona and Shrek are more than that and this Film finally worked with that fact. Fiona finally gets the credits she deserved, after dealing with her parent's mistakes and Shrek's tamper tamtrums all her life.
I finally felt like their love is complete and Shrek can be happy for who he is.
My god this video is bad
They go into basically no detail on why its "bad" and just presume the film is trying to be a comedy even though its not. The opening point of Shrek 4 is showing Shrek not being used to parental life, he's not some suburban dad, he's an ogre. He's a celebrity because he was at the forefront of these events. I could go on and on but the script is so emotionless and bland and the editing is so pathetic I don't want to suffer anymore.
Also yes I did just come off Schaffrilias's review.
@Guto STOP QUOTING SHCRAFRILLAS AND WATCH THIS REVIEW INSTEAD czcams.com/video/okK4WlgjHw8/video.html
Well, in fairness the first three tend to preserve a similar comedic tone, but this is such a strong pivot from that vein.
Well, I assume in the original universe, all ogres lives alone and more territorial kind of creature. But because of Rumpelstilskin, they forced to be work and made community together, you know made the whole Resistance. I think that's what people who's oppressed would do in that era. Also Rumpelstilskin's pretty great. Farquaad's goofy and a bit pathetic, Fairy Godmother's perfect, but saying Rumpelstilskin just bad is... a crime. He's outsmart Shrek, he's fun to watch, his design's cool, he's better than Farquaad (in my opinion), and he's slimy af. You could say that he's just villain based on 3 previous villains, but I don't mind. To me, Rumpel is how they made Shrek forever after as the last movie and as a love letter for the whole franchise. Also Pied Piper.. He's great, but could you think a better plot for him so he fits as a villain for a Shrek movies? So far, I don't know, so that's why he's just a bounty hunter under Rumpelstilskin. I would also said he didn't do shit in the last arc is dumb. Prince Charming is just pathetic, and no, he wouldn't save Fiona. He's a annoying brat and a Mommy boy, no way he can survive when fighting the dragon. Also the reason why they use their staff as Rumpelstilskin voice, because he's just so good at it and so slimy, staff couldn't be bother to hire celebrity for that role. People now like Shrek because they listen to him. It's not that he's a big influence like the saviour/messiah in this universe, but from simply people now see the onion's layers.
I would say this, the first act of the movie is annoying af, but there's a reason for that. It's actually a recap for Shrek the Third, so you guys don't have to watch that piece of GARBAGGIO. It's true. With all baby screaming, every characters turn into unlikabe, and the whole party's a mess. It's also an allegory for the whole Shrek as a franchise as well, being loud, a mundane life and obnoxious with the whole brand deal. And I don't forgive Shrek, but I completely understand why he said such nasty words to Fiona. When I was angry, I would say some nasty thing to my parents or my closed friend or bf/gf, but I will regret it at some point. You said "it's not Shrek's character", well it IS one of his characteristic. You just said it, he has LAYERS. You said Shrek used to be mean to other's because he doesn't wanna hurt anyone, but he is still high tempered, just look at how Donkey always annoyed him in the first movie. I dunno man, it looks like he has... HIGH TEMPERED or something. Then he had to do anything to steal Fiona's heart. But Fiona doesn't give a crap about it. Why? Because she turned into Shrek from the first movie, a jaded person/ogre that said no more for fairytale. She used to believe it, and with no one save her, she couldn't be bother and now she isn't interested in love relationship. Also, you guys seems disliked the whole "Shrek's only tell how he loves her and not showing it", how?! Shrek's already a father, he doesn't need to show how love as romantic as much as in first two shrek movie. Most of the time, people would be more chill and don't really think about how much they love everyone. After the kiss doesn't work and Shrek done goofed, he'll do anything to save Fiona and other's ogre. Shrek will die anyway. Also I'm just mad at you guys replace the most toucing and sad line from Shrek when he got Thanosed with "Dreamworks wants money" joke.
Even if I hate both of them (which I don't, btw Shrek=8, Shrek2=9, Shrek3=3, Shrek4=7-8, need to rewatch it), I would still prefer 4 over 3, because I can't stand how boring it is. Forever After at least really unique with the whole another universe thing, and pied piper, but I just feel the third one's like one of those straight to VHS/DVD type of movie. And hey, a bonkers movie that just wild is better than a boring movie that makes a baby-poop joke with no context or purpose
The best coment of all time.
This entire video can be summed up with "We hate this movie because this movie sucks. Why does it suck? Because it sucks."
Riveting points, guys. I'm so happy I watched this video. Shrek the Turd was more articulate than you.
This film is not perfect, however a large majority of your criticisms are weak and nitpicky. For example, Rumplestiltskin's power IS the power of the deal. He cannot use his magic without the deal. This has been established about that character before the Shrek franchise even existed. Bringing up how his magic works as though its a valid issue with the plot is ridiculous.
Hmm maybe. But it is our criticism all the same. Pretty sure in-universe they never established the full range of his power.
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I think you both were harsh on the movie. Shrek doesn’t have much experience being a dad or a husband and, the day kept repeating at the start of the movie because Fiona wished for it to happen. Anyway, when you’re angry, you tend to go back to what you were comfortable doing, in Shrek’s case, being alone and, being nasty. He might not have enjoyed it in the first movie but because, he’s become as he put it “a jolly green joke”, he goes back to what’s familiar to him. And, people get upset and, say things they don’t mean when that happens. Think about it, Shrek is used to being alone and feared. Having his life suddenly changed, even for the better is gonna take some adjusting for him. It’s like me still being sad my girlfriend and I cannot be together. I should move on but, the thought of dwelling on her is familiar to me and, that’s why I am finding it hard to move on. I respect your opinions but, think you both were wrong about this movie. It’s the 2nd best movie after Shrek 2.
I honestly find Rumpelstiltskin really funny.
I especially love how snarky he is when he has Shrek and Fiona chained up in the dragon room.
We just find him being a weak character.
@@ToonGrin At leats he's a bit better than Farquaad he's the only who almost succeeded win at the end
Shrek (2001)
Shrek 2 (2004)
Shrek Forever After: The Final Chapter (2010)
My Favorite Trilogy.
Biggest problem with Shrek 4 is Shrek is just so unlikable at the start of the movie that I don't feel sympathy for his plight, he smashes his children's cake, tells his wife he wishes he never saved her and basically says he wish's he was a feared ogre again despite the fact that the entire first movie is about him not wanting to be looked at and feared anymore.
I don't get why I'm supposed to care about his plight, I don't want Fiona to fall in love with him in this movie, he's an asshole.
The villain is also pretty awful, I mean Shrek 3 may have been a rehash villain in charming but at least his plan and motivation made sense, Charming was ridiculed after his mother died and couldn't even make a decent living as an actor because of hecklers, Rumpelstiltskin is just............A. His plan is stupid and it revolves around Shrek going completely out of character and then singing a contract B. The King and Queen singing his contract made no sense either, even if it worked Harold would have to answer to Fairy Godmother (who is not seen or mentioned after he takes over despite the fact she'd probably have objections) so no way would he sign it.
You hit the nail on the head. The 4th movie is just structured so poorly on every level that it's just maddening. Shrek is unlikable and Rumplestiltskin sucks as a villain.
You are just like me
*Insert song here*
I disagree. I think Shrek 4 was just as good as the first 2. I don't get why ppl thought that was so unlikable or out of character for him to get mad. He's always shown in every film that he wants peace and quiet. And it makes sense he'd be a dick because he's an ogre. He's never had a family or party or anything. As far as the characters being unlikable, I kinda liked them the best in this film. It had some great jokes, nice action, and your crazy, I think Rumpelstiltskin is the best villian. He was hateful, spiteful, but charismatic and childish. It kinda fit the whole weird style. Idk, Shrek forever after imo is the most underated animated sequel
@Jaden but that's not in Shrek like. And you do you have kids or a wife? There's a big difference. Couples fight all the time over little things. And it wasn't out of nowhere. Shrek was pissed because he still didn't have the one thing he always wanted.....privacy. Most of the positive reviews for Shrek 4 say it's on the level of the first 2. Most negative reviews come from how Shrek acted. I just never noticed. It seemed like something Shrek would do. But that's just me
I still enjoyed Shrek Forever After a little better than the third movie, because it did have some concepts in it that I actually enjoyed. That said, I won't deny that this movie had PLENTY of flaws that made me angry, and honestly, the concepts I wound up enjoying??? I still think they would have been stronger if they WEREN'T attributed to Shrek in the first place.
I feel like Shrek 4 would actually be a decent movie if it were independent of Shrek because the story was quite entertaining and features some good characters. The problem is, these characters portrayed in Shrek 4 clash with the characters introduced in the previous Shrek films, which is why I think it gets most of the hate it does.
I disliked this movie too. Although not as bad as the third and I did like the villain the story was still terrible and not well thought out. With Shrek never existing Lord Farquaad and the Fairy Godmother should've been alive which I thought would've been epic to see them team up with Rumple to defeat Shrek when he has to regain the trust of his friends who have no memory of him. It was a great, though slightly forced, concept but it wasn't fleshed out as much as it could have been and overall the movie wasn't nearly as entertaining or meaningful as the first two movies.
You'd think they'd make it a culmination of like the Legion of Doom of Shrek rogues coming together to stop him. You juxtapose it with their own selfish personalities undermining them while Shrek reuniting with friends and family to over come adversity. And instead its a poor man's knock off of "It's a Wonderful Life".
I've been thinking, did Donkey get with Dragon because of the treasure in her castle? They'd be pretty well off if that were the case.
7:54-7:57, in the words of Shrek himself: well, uh, that explains a lot!
For my own take on this film, I remember this being okay. Truthfully, I think a lot of the things you guys said I never thought about and saddens me they didn't get right. But idk. This or Shrek 3 are the weakest for me.
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@@africa2303 Oh SHUT UP! Stop linking to Schrafrillas, Toongril definetly has a fair point on this film being so badlyh structured
@@cartoonfanatic don’t tell me to shut up I was just showing you that it’s not that bad but everyone always is so rude replying back
What i hate the most about this movie is that they showed Shrek like a bad guy. He might have a good family but it doesn't mean he should be happy with that. They were doing the same thing everyday over and over, again. Fiona only cared about her happy ending. And Shrek was out of character as well. There is a possibility that he might have said those things but he was the one who wanted to be seen as more than an ogre. So he suddenly wants to be feared? He could have just talked about this with Fiona. Maybe they could have done something with their childeren, together. They had a dragon for god's sake! Seriously, if a character is getting a 4th movie it means that movie is just a money machine. They just wanted to make a "movie". Not something new just a movie. 😒
"Shrek forever after: marriage counseling with Fiona."
The thing I hate about the 4th shriek movie was they threw the second movie right out of the window! I mean if Shriek didn't rescue Fionia she wouldn't have had to rescue herself! PRINCE CHARMING WOULD HAVE RESCUED HER! That was the whole thing about the second movie was that Shriek beat prince charming when it came to rescuing her! But they completely FORGOT that! And No! The king wouldn't have signed his kingdom over to rupplesticlskin because he KNEW about prince charming! And for people who might say oh well maybe Prince charming got killed by the dragon! His moms the fairy God mother! She would have problemy gave him a sword that could kill the dragon with 1 hit and an armor thats fireproof!
No, Prince Charming and the Fairy Godmother wouldn't of bothered to save Fiona. They were only after her crown and once Fiona lost her throne and her parents, they would of lost interest in usurping it because it was already taken.
The movie also explains why they went to Rumble in the first place; they were doubting Fairy Godmother's plan and were tired of waiting for their daughter. Plus, Rumple was recommended by King Midas.
I am sorry if I was rude, but I wanted to just let you know. It is perfectly ok to hate this movie, however, opinions should have some facts to back it up. Opinions without facts and reason will just make someone rant and rave all day long without a purpose. I know because I have opinions without reasons all the time and trying to get them out is a waste of time to me.
I want to know your reasons for hating Shrek 4, please.
@@yasminthespiritsinger7704 Why would Harold doubt Fairy Godmother's plan, he's the one who made the deal in the first place? And while it's never been officially confirmed, the deal seems to imply that Fairy Godmother was the one who cursed Fiona, which would explain why they were all so certain that Charming would be the one to rescue her. Granted we may never know the true nature of Fiona's curse, but I don't think Minathewild Mongoose is that off base.
This shitshow of a film is like if Disney made a 3rd Wreck It Ralph film when he wanted to be lonely again, IT DOESN’t WORK.
Films still decent tho.
you know i liked this film at first but looking back maybe it could have made a good reboot. give it consquences. like what if shrek & fiona kissing returned shrek to normal but kept that same timeline. fiona's parents would be both gone. shrek would have to get to know fiona again. there's even better ways they could have done this plot. like rumplestiltskin being fairy godmother's silent partner and with her gone the factory closed and he was ruined. so by changing history fairy godmother's back and he's powerful and rich again. or he was an ally of faquadd's or both. seeing fairy godmother and/or farquaad again even alternate versions of them could have brought new life into the franchise after the bad third film. just a missed opportunity i guess.
The thing about your ideas I don't like is it still feels like a rehash of stuff. I don't need the fairy godmother again, or Farquadd. I want a new direction, what about a more interesting rogue or no villain at all and rather focus on Fiona and Shrek just being parents. Making memorable rogues seems to be DreamWorks weak spot so just craft better interaction with the main stories. Maybe Donkey helping Shrek to be a better father. Have Donkey to have a point rather than he is there to hit the comedy quota. The film is already a comedy so you don't need to delegate ONE person to that role.
I guess you're right about using new villains. but the third and fourth films both kinda of felt like they barely looked at first and second films. and didn't have much continuity. and by using many of the major fairy tale villains in the third film like captain hook and the evil queen you have to do someone new for the fourth one. maybe if they hadn't done the alternate timeline theory. rumplestiltskin could have been a bigger threat. perhaps fairy godmother imrpisoned him or kept him at bay. with her gone he'd be free to cause trouble. in some ways it felt like a step backwards. like rumplestiltskin was farquad 2.0. i guess that's what's the most disappointing about these last two films. they could have been better. but just ended up failing.
if you recall Jackie Chan Adventures, the animated series, the idea was that once Shendu was gon a natural void was left, a power vacuum and this new greater evil could fill it. Making Fairy Godmother a lesser evil keeping Rumple at bay would have been a clever notion.
i faintly remember that. been awhile since i've seen jackie chan adventures. but yeah. heck could have been interesting as rumplestiltskin wasn't seen until the third film. although with the two differrent looks they could explain that way with magic. like he'd gone into hiding and disguised himself with a potion so the third film was his disguised look. and the 4th one was his real look. or could have passed them off as a family like third film could have been his b rother or father. if "rumplestiltskin" say was a last name if they wanted to go that route. xd
The disguise is cl.ever like after the fair godmother died he was freed from his prison and he went hiding in the underground to scout out for nefarious doings.
Personally, I think this movie is amazing. I respect your opinion but I think this handles the concept of wanting to get your old life back VERY well. To me, I thought it seemed relatable by wanting to return to your old life. Also to quote Schaffrillas Productions: "He's a ogre. Ogres be mean!" Of course Shrek was roaring at people only to get them away from his swamp, but when it comes to more depth, emotional subjects, he gets angry. He yells at Donkey around the end of the first film because of a misunderstood conversation and he thought Fiona was talking about him, as an ogre who shouldn't be with a princess. Shrek is easily offended by this. Also, in Shrek 2 he gets angry and shouts at Fiona: "Whether your parents like it or not, I AM an ogre!" This shows how Shrek can get angry when his buttons get pushed. He can get angry, because he's an ogre. Of course he's not going to be perfect at love and affection at first. Also, I personally don't think the writers or Shrek himself weren't, or wasn't trying to force a relationship with Fiona. In the end, Shrek gives up on trying to return to his own universe, so he helps Fiona in this universe because he knows she was living a rough life in this dimension. After the battle, Shrek tells Fiona that she will have children of her own, and pulls out his daughter's doll which he has been keeping in his pocket. (Also remember the scene earlier when Shrek cried and it felt powerful to me because he noticed his daughter's doll and and he realizes how wrong he was to leave his family behind. Also in the other movies, Shrek, as an ogre, could just return to his own swamp when he dealt with the conflicts in the other films. But here, Shrek has no escape. At this point, Shrek cannot run from the conflict this time). I respect your opinion, but I just wanted to share this.
PS: As for Farquaad in the alternate universe in Shrek Forever After, I assume all the knights lost against each other in the tournament or all failed to rescue Fiona, so he just gave up. (Which probably explains that Fiona wasn't rescued, she had to escape herself) As for the Fairy GodMother and Prince Charming, I assume they were only after the crown and since Fiona didn't have it anymore, they didn't bother.
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@@cartoonfanatic opinions exist, don't they?
@@mrmemepro5249 You're only saying it's good becuase Schrafrillas says it's gootd when in teality, there are a number of actual flwas within the film's narrative
@@cartoonfanatic I can understand my friend. But it all depends on opinions. Don't try and change mine. Only describe your thoughts because of what you think.
@@cartoonfanatic Yes, yes it has so many flaws. It has nothing going for it and it is poorly executed. But you know what isn't poorly executed? Fiona's and Shrek's relationship struggles.
The 4th movie is a realistic conclusion to what the first two movies build up to. And I love it for that. I even cried at the end cause it is so true and I can feel with Shrek and Fiona so much.
Shrek was never a really good person. Fiona had to endure much because of him and her parents. I think this trilogy perfectly shows how it is, when an ugly, unlovable person finds the love of his life and works on that love and on himself. People take Shrek's actions too lightly in the first two movies and are suddenly shocked when he acts like a stressed out Ogre in the 4th. This doesn't come from nowhere. Heck, the 2nd movie wouldn't even come far if Shrek wasn't the short tempered and selfdoubting person he is.
The conversation with Fiona at the birthdayparty was so realistic for a stressed out, short tempered dad, who just snaps and is blinded to see, that his wife had to endure so much. The alternate reality actually showed that Shrek still hasn't learned his lessons in the first two movies. And I love that they show these flawed characters. An ugly, mean husband and a traumatized, dorky wife. But for the first time in all movies they worked together and saw that they are good for each other. Fiona making him a better person and Shrek being a strong protector. Also both being the only ones to actually accept the other one for who they are and doing things together that they can't do with anyone else (blowing up animals and being lovable parents).
Shrek's journey to finally accept his Ogre side, while also realizing that Fiona made him a better person, has come to the perfect end.
Puss in Boots isn’t fat. He’s just fluffy. And adorable. Also, this movie was pretty great in my opinion.
On par with the first
PumkinHead 26 Yeah. But definitely not as good as the second.
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I’m glad I’m not the only person who thinks this is on the bottom of the list, in terms of the Shrek films. I do think it’s an okay movie but it’s just pointless. I think It should’ve ended with the third film (I actually like it, it’s not as good as the first two but I think it’s funny). Sometimes I might pretend this movie doesn’t exist.
I hope they don’t mess up on Shrek 5 which to me they will release it on September 17 2023 or should I say Shrektember 17.
Lets wait and see a trailer before anything else.
Shrek 3 and 4 were so forgetable that I hadn't even known they existed
I completely forgot that this was part of the main shrek story .-. I thought it was a side story
Nah side stories is like the Puss n Boots one.
Try not to hate me but I like shrek 3 and 4
No hate at all ^_^
As did I but not for the reasons DreamWorks intended
I can understand Shrek 4, it was entertaining though the characters were a bit off. And I guess you could overlook most of Shrek 3, but the ending... probably the worst ending of any movie I've seen
Bob The Llama ya shrek 3s ending was bad
Shrek 4ever after was a great movie, but is under the shadow of two even better movies and that one movie we shall not speak about. *cough shrek the third cough*
The only thing I remotely enjoyed about this film is the do the roar kid. If the only thing that's entertaining is three words, you know the movie is bad.
Already seen it, while I personally disagree, I respect your opinion and his as well
Shrek 4, or at least the first bit, is a set parody. Shrek wanting to be scary and ferocious again is basically the Shrek franchise wanting to be the edgy witty movies that they were for 1 and 2. Shrek has turned into what it originally parodied, oversaturated, and watered down.
here's something i don't think i've seen anyone bring up: we know that shrek's kids don't exist in the world where rumpelstiltskin took over, but what about donkey's? after all, if he hadn't met shrek, there's no way that he wouldn't have met and fell in love with dragon
so basically, not only did shrek get his own children erased from existence out of his own selfishness, but he got his BEST FRIEND'S CHILDREN erased from existence as well
Shrek erased his kids, donkey's kids, somehow Puss became obese... the whole thing is crazy town banana pants.
@@ToonGrin i know everyone has their opinions and is entitled to them, but i seriously don't know what people see in this movie
everyone likes to say that shrek 3 is the worst, and while i'm not gonna pretend 3 is a good movie, but there were interesting (if severely underdeveloped) ideas and even the occasional funny joke. shrek 4 on the other hand just feels like a throwaway script for a 2-part episode of a shrek tv show that never got off the ground that got repurposed into a film
I love your reviews! You're so underrated! You deserve more love. 💙
Awe, thanks Claire for the praise!
We are trying so very hard to make our way in the interwebs.
@@ToonGrin 😢 You're too kind!
*wipes the tears away and hugs*
Thanks for your kindness.
@@ToonGrin *Hugs back and cries Pearl tears*
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Never consult counselors when you wanna make a conflict.
Ya gotta admit though.The theme at the witch party was one of the best music of the shrek franchise
Do you seriously think charming could kill the dragon?
Me personally I think the dragon would just light Charming up on fire and then he would die Charming don’t stand a chance he’s a punk just watch the 3rd movie he’s wannabe tough guy
Considering that his mother made a deal with Fiona's father, I don't doubt it. After all, Fairy Godmother is constantly doting on her son, so I doubt he'd send him into anything he couldn't handle.
They SHOULD have just made a whole damn movie about the Piper. Legit for me he was the most interesting and mysterious character to appear in this movie. Plus, they could have gone a darker route with his movie going into his backstory. I want that movie.
That might be interesting. But its pretty clear that return on investment wasn't in the cards for this franchise.
shrek forever after can't be the worst since shrek the third... uhhh is a movie. uhhh....
Shrek 3 is so bland and forgettable it leaves the mind once it leaves the sight. Shrek 4 is actively offensive to themes they previously established. Theme like Shrek's self-imposed exile to not be harmed physically or emotionally being changed to "I liked being an ogre" is degusting character assasination.
Prince Charming would not rescue Fiona cause Fiona isn't the Princess anymore. He and his mother had no business in Far Far Away anymore.
Well hold on how would they know? Because they made the deal years ago right? So even if Rumple offed the king and queen how would the Fairy Godmother know? Because it seems like the goal was the deal made and then they were split up until the objective was to rescue Fiona. This might be where things get confusing is because its a cumbersome lore for these kinds of movies.
whats the remix at 0:45?
The remix is by Drop The Baseline . You can hear the full remix here ►► Shrek Theme Song (Trap Remix) ►► Drop The Baseline
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Fiona in the AU was kind of cool, but it didn’t make much sense. Also, yeah, Shrek’s attempts to flirt with her felt creepy and out of character at first.
The biggest problem was that they took away Shrek’s emotional complexity and sympathetic traits. They also made Fiona, Donkey, and Puss too oblivious to his issues for too long, even though they are his wife and closest friends who know him best.
Shrek absolutely was always an introvert who liked his privacy. However, the biggest issue with SFA was a huge misinterpretation of Shrek’s entire character by the writers. He enjoyed his privacy and he got annoyed with huge crowds, even after his character development in the first and second films.
There was no real enjoyment he took in being seen as a monster nor was it something he went out of his way to do for shits and giggles. He acted like a monster when others confronted him because they treated him as a monster first, and he believed he was unworthy of love. It was a self-hatred issue, too, and that was relatable. Donkey and Fiona were the first people who proved to him that he could be loved by treating him with compassion.
I agree that, while there are some funny scenes here and there, the writers made the main characters too uncharacteristically stupid and too unsympathetic to make the plot work, particularly in regards to Shrek.
I also think they flanderdized Donkey’s talkative and hyperactive traits. In the first and second movies was he also annoyingly hyperactive and over-talkative a lot of the time? Absolutely, but it was still endearing and funny because it genuinely was innocent, funny, naive, and well-meaning. What’s more, in the first two films, Donkey actually did still have enough common sense and empathy to be able to take a hint when Shrek and Fiona told him they wanted privacy. He wasn’t so obliviously annoying that he was outright obnoxious. He actually expressed other emotions besides just being overly talkative, obliviously annoying, and exceedingly enthusiastic all the time.
Like, in the first film, he actually got pissed off at Shrek and yelled at him when he pushed him away. He offered advice and emotional support to Shrek about his relationship with Fiona and his personal issues. He offered encouragement. He had his own relationship with Dragon.
@@Schoolgirl325 That might be the biggest failing is that this film feels like a bubble that either forgets previously established characterization and development or it actively forgoes it to make their plot work and that's not how you tell a story.
We know the nature of Hollywood is to shift teams and change things up from time to time but the obstacle there is you can't be the creative that comes in to say "This is my story" see that the parts don't fit and then try to force them and that's what S4 feels like to us. Is this idea that they want to tell a certain story but can't manage to make the moving parts work so they push the parts in.
It's like that scene in the animated Disney's Alice in Wonderland where the Hatter is trying to "fix" the White Rabbit's watch and is just shoving in jam, butter, forks and spoons into the watch and finally topping it off with the lemon. Then you get the mad watch that goes nuts and needs to be put down with a mallet. Shrek 4 felt like it needed to be put down.
13:26 i half expected nero to give whyboy a quick kiss here
Haha, so close huh?
other question, if shrek was never born, and fiona already existed, then HOW ACTUALLY OLD IS FIONA?!
It looks like the timeline still plays out chronologically but you just remove Shrek. So I guess she's roughly the same non-descript age she always has been?
No you wrong
Whats the song you start using on 27:03? Please respond.
Unfortunately I can’t remember the song atm. I believe it was a royalty free son from a site called purple planet
@@ToonGrin Thanks i'll check!
Don’t get me wrong I like your review. But this is a bad review. You guys honestly missed a lot of important things. This movie isn’t perfect not at all. But your review doesn’t understand this film. This film is underrated and personally I disagree with a lot of your points.
the "do the roar" kid looks like a possessed bobby hill
Yee Olde Hank Hill should show up,. "Come hither Robert. I have propane in my narrow urethra."
Shrek learned to love until he got bored
that's remarkably close to reality.
I don’t know what you guys are talking about, this movie is pretty great. I especially liked the donkey/Shrek chemistry. It really was just like the first movie.
That's part of our criticism. It's the 4th film their relationship should evolve and change. Not stay at step one.
@@ToonGrin When I said the same, I was more referring to the quality of the relationship. It did change. In this circumstance, Shrek is the one trying to convince Donkey to accompany him. It’s the reverse of the first movie. The chemistry is the same, but the dynamic is different.
You know this film basically foreshadows what DreamWorks would become. ever since kung Fu panda 3, DreamWorks's movies have become boring and uninteresting.
They don't grab my attention any more. Trailers for the boss baby, Trolls, and their other movies look like crap. They seem to just play it safe. They don't really take any risks anymore and just hurry films out to grab that cash.
The fact they want to make a fifth Shrek film shows to me that they're out of ideas. Shrek is a franchise that should stay gone, cause it ran it course and the whole jabs at fairy tales and Disney doesn't really work anymore, given that Disney has been doing much better than DreamWorks.
Disney has made better films than DreamWorks ever will. (And yes, I know you dislike Frozen Nero, but it a much better film to watch than say Shrek or any of Dreamwork's newer films.)
Overall, Great review! I enjoyed seeing you two roast this franchise and I look forward to seeing what next set of films you'll review next.
I do agree Dreamworks is sorta of tapped out. I do recommend captain Underpants and Boss Baby as they were actually kind of surprising. I don't agree with the Frozen idea to an extent. Frozen is certainly better than 3 and 4 of Shrek but Shrek 2 I think is more of an emotional investment to me. Dreamworks has sort of recoiled and quit having imagination but they certainly beat Illumination and Blue sky or sony... my gosh sony... and WAG they just produce lame.
Thanks for commetign Scott.
- N
I have seen captain underpants and that was a pretty good movie. I haven't seen boss baby cause honestly, it doesn't interest me. Sorry.
And I know you won't change your mind on Frozen and that fine, it just I personally love that movie and it shows to me Disney can put effort in their movies. I know you dislike it and again that fine. It just I like Disney more than DreamWorks cause they always catch my attention and convince me to see their movies. It why I'm excited to see Wreck it Ralph 2 this year.
Disney can really step it up from time to time. Inside out has a great underlining meta-story being told that I brilliantly like.
Honestly, I love Trolls, Captain Underpants, and Boss Baby
Inside out was indeed a great film. Really shows what both Disney and Pixar are capable of. It why I have no problem supporting them.
Hate how rumpels character changed the most.
Okay after the fourth time I watched the fourth movie I actually AGREE whole heartedly with this review
Makes no sense cause even if Shrek didn't exist Prince charming or Lord Farquad would still turn up. It starts of ok i am a mum that same day in day out makes since but Shrek makes more sense than Fiona. But then it goes poop. I think it's because the writer of the Charictor dead. 1 and 2 are amazing.
1 & 2 are pretty solid, but 3 and 4 seem to drop the ball, at least for us.
@@ToonGrin definitely
How does the villain have no presentation or personality???
Seems more like he's a bland amalgamation of Farquad and Charming. Which you could argue is personality just from other sources. It's been a while since we watched the movie let alone post this video, so I don't even remember how much Rumplestiltskin is actually in the film either.
No, that's the 3rd.
Did you even watch the video?
No, I don't want to waste my time.
This is how you kill a franchise. The Alien Resurrection of the series.
Thankfully Puss In Boots salvaged the series. Good to see you both burn this thing to the ground.
I never felt it salavged anything, it is its own thing that escapped... whatever this turned into.
- N
That can be another way of looking at it.
Actually, is it me or has the Puss in Boots movie basically been forgotten about by almost everyone? It just doesn't seem to really come up often if anyone ever mentions Shrek or, hell, even Dreamworks in general.
No kidding. I rather liked it, thought it was funny. But yeah it sort of just happened and was sort of a big deal since Puss was like their first major spin-off propertie then I think the penguins followed. But you'd think being the first would net some sort of notice. - N
Well, not counting TV series, it's the only real spin-off from Dreamworks aside from Penguins, which bombed at the box office. Regardless if it's a spin-off or not, you'd think being a part of the Shrek franchise would've given it some long term impact. It's like the Secret Life of Pets of Dreamworks, a movie that critics liked and did well in theaters but, after leaving theaters, seemed to have been almost completely forgotten.
so... if you've seen it, what did you guys think of puss in boots the last wish?
One of the best DreamWorks films to date.
Not enough big bad wolf
Funny thing is, I think of Forever After as incredibly underrated. But really, it’s much more better than 3. 3 can best be described as a flaming garbage bin. This might be an unpopular opinion, but I love FA despite its minimal flaws, it almost captures the feels of 1. It could do without the fart jokes to be fair and the same repeated day at the beginning. But I hope you understand my opinion.
I don't understand ...... WHAT'S THE PROBLEM OF THE PEOPLE WHO HATE THIS FILM FOR NO REASON????
Lara Nomy Literally the whole video details our own specific reasons for disliking it. Namely we didn’t feel it framed Shrek in the best light and the alternate reality “Wonderful Life” story ended up adding more questions then answered and robbed us of the intrigue of seeing Shrek as a dad.
Someone liking or disliking the film is subjective and should not impede your own enjoyment of it.
@@ToonGrin aff, think what you want .....😒
I think this movie is really great probably even better than the first film. I think it's really poetic and emotional, it feels like an animated shrek fanfiction now that I think about it.
I think the only problems are the pacing and the third act should've kept the deleted scene where the fairytale characters captured shrek.
And the uncanny king and queen at the beginning
Does the cause an effect rules being ignored with time travel bother you at all?
a little like the godmother and faurquaad which you mentioned but I can overlook it. Btw Prince Charming didn't get to fiona because him and the godmother were after the kingdom and the parents don't own it no more. You made a good point with faurquaad, the godmother and puss though.
This is the best one
Many seem to say so.
"The Fat And Ass Duo" I See What You Did There.
Wordplay, its a dying art. (even bad wordplay haha)
@@ToonGrin i thought it was hilarious
this movie is a worse closer than season 11 of dallas
Shrek 4 is a good movie buts it’s not better than all the other Shrek movies in my opinion
Thank you for simply not berating us.
Surprisingly folks are very protective of Shrek 4.
It's better than Shrek 3
I enjoyed this movie way better then the 3rd
At least this one is not as forgettable.
11:28 - 11:33 “Him farting or burping would be more famous at least he does that in every movie.”
Uh, because “Do the fart” or “Do the Burp” wouldn’t be as funny or memeable as “Do the roar”. 🙄
Humor is entirely subjective so that argument doesn't really have weight to it.
I get what you mean by it but the gag could be removed entirely as the "do the roar" (subjectively) isn't funny to either of us.
I loved this one.
a certain crab dude heavily disagrees here
Shrek 3 is a dream
tbh it was better than shrek 1
This is easily the worst Dreamworks film I've seen, and it's among my bottom 5.
It's just SO boring!
Say what you want about Shrek the Third (it's my personal favorite of the franchise, but I know that's an unpopular opinion), but at least that had the memorable Led Zeppelin scene.
Honestly felt that the song was wasted and better implemented in Thor Ragnarok.
I think School Of Rock had the best use of the immigrant song. Cannot top Jack Black screaming along and singing it too, he never fails to cover songs and make them as funny and awesome as he is!
Hmmm thats i figerd they wouldev liked this one i figerd it was pretty good
I watched this video to see the perspective of someone who dislikes this masterpiece. I still don't see it. This movie was the true emotional conclusion of this amazing franchise, and it was a true return to formula from the first film.
Rock on!
Guys I don't wanna be rude, but your comedy frequently falls short and comes off as childish and tonally distracting to the point that it makes me dislike the video, you probably should cut them out if you haven't yet in your recent videos
Hiya, we appreciate the feedback and constructive criticism. Out newer videos are a bit different in the format most certainly. We at a bit of an impasse with our material and the channel at large, a bit disheartened with how the growth is and where our lives are. So we are looking to do some soul searching and some other pursuits. Thanks again for the feedback and sorry if we let you down.
@@ToonGrin No you didn't let me down, I enjoyed the video, I am glad you took no offense
This is my favorite shrek movie though…
Also rumple is the best dreamworks villain change my mind
An if you watched the video you will notice not only were we not attacking you or trying to change your mind. We don't like the film and the video is our detailed critique of why it failed to do what it needed for us.
@@ToonGrin oh I’m sorry * packs my things * I will be on my way out
This is outrages how dare you say shrek 4 is the worst
Wow. This movie is much worse than I remember it.
Right? Like 3 is bad but its forgettable. This film bends over backwards to be what it is.
True. I still find the third film worse, but yeah this one is bad as well.
Its not a contest haha.
Lp
Well in my opinion, I personally think this movie is a gem. But it is definitely not a cash-grab. That's an objective statement.
5:52 thank me later
How the HELL does this video exist?
The same as any video.
For an individual or individuals to voice an opinion on a body of work. Thanks for commenting. Is there anything you'd like to see in a future video?
Shrek Forever After is Okay a tad better then Shrek The Third which bores me to sleep But still terrible
Shrek 4 might be saying something.
Shrek 3 is a cure for insomnia.
No.
Toongrin. Shrek 4 is the worst
Schaffrilas productions. I'm about to end your whole career
Ya can't really end what we never had haha.
@@ToonGrin you responded lol
I am so sad that Shrek 4 has nearly as bad reviews as Shrek 3. These two movies can't be further away from another. The 3rd is just brainless and doesn't add anything to the other movies. The 4th continues the first two and even made a perfect finish to the series. Overcoming challenges and archieving the perfect relationship of Shrek and Fiona. I really loved the message. It concludes everything the first two movies build up for. It is what Shrek is truly about: Relationship challenges and breaking stereotypes of Ogres and Princesses. You can see all the stages of an ugly, fat, unloved person, who is finally finding someone to fight for. To become better for her and to meet her parents, who don't accept him. But she never stopped loving him for who he is. When he eventually slips and says that he can't do it anymore and wants his old life again, even for just a day. This is friggin realistic. Especially somone like Shrek can slip up like that when being stressed out. Also without realizing how much his wife is already carrying for him. He forgot that he was ugly and unlovable back then. After the contract he realized that back then wasn't always so nice, by seeing that people want to capture him and Donkey is afraid of him. Then he realizes how much his wife tried to work with him and how she made him a better person. But he never really did work with her. Then he comes eye to eye with her and together they can be a happy family.
The Shrek movies show the realistic challenging stages of an ugly person marrying the love of his life and forming a family, finally becoming content with himself.
Shrek finally appreciated Fiona and saw what she really wanted, after her being ignored over and over again in the first two movies. Just when Shrek realized, that they may have only fell in love because he rescued her, he had to gather what really made their relationship work. He is just selfish throughout the whole movie cause he never considered how much Fiona had endured. And at the end he became appreciative. And for me, this is what this movie is about.
And Rumpelstilzchen is not iconic but is still soooo much fun to watch.
shrek 3 > shrek 4
i liked it
That's Awesome.
What did you like about it?
@@ToonGrin i liked the story a lot. and i think that every time you watch it it gets better. i feel like people said it was bad only because it came after shrek 3 which is the worst one in the series. i think that it also expanded the universe and themes in a way which is honestly pretty meaningful. shrek thought it was going to be a good peaceful life with no troubles in the begging of this movie. but that's just not true. not every day is gonna be good. and not every day he is gonna be happy. that's why he wants to just go back to being a ogre and chasing mobs away from his swamp which leads to the deal with rumplestiltskin. i would say this movie is on par with the frist one but nothing close to the godlike masterpiece that is shrek 2
shrek the 4th is the best
We didn't much care for it.
No the third one was, the third one is not a terrible movie, but it had so much potential and the plot could’ve been better and it felt more like a filler episode. The fourth one however was an improvement and fixes everything from the third one. Honestly this should’ve been the third movie.
I have the same opinion.
Is shrek 4 bad?
*NO.*
#Shrekforeverafterdeservesbetter
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pretty much the WORST Way to End off the Shrek franchise I hope to GOD There is NO Shrek 5
...Pinkie have a seat... and watch part 4 of our retrospective.
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Your opinion is invalid.
Damn you guys shouldn't review movies... You literally didn't understand anything this movie wanted to tell
It's not that we didn't understand what it wanted to tell. It's that what it wanted to tell doesn't gel with the movies that came before it. It's premise is a Shrek's version of It's a Wonderful Life where he's sick of the endless praise and responsibility as it's a moral lesson of being appreciative of what you have. However for us that doesn't gel with how he framed being an ogre in the first movie as really lonely, scaring people off was something he only did because everyone just saw him as a gross ugly monster and he wanted to not be abused like that. That is the crux of the movie and for us, making Shrek more vapid and care more about going back to that life then being a husband, father or having friends makes the movie hard to swallow. It's not as bad as Shrek The Third in storytelling but it thematically for us fumbles Shrek's character and makes it very hard to enjoy and just for us the worst to watch out of the 4 - WB
Dude everything relies in the execution and these guys including me feels that the execution should have been better than what we got
Shrek the third is worse.
They can both be terrible. Its not a mutually exclusive situation. What is it about Shrek 3 for you that makes it worse than Shrek 4?
Shrek the third is the worst
certainly unlikeable by our tastes.
“Is shrek 4 the worst?”
No, who would ask that?
Well we did, obviously. Haha. We don't think its a particularly good film. But hey, if you enjoyed it that's great to hear. What was it about the film that you enjoyed?
@@ToonGrin Everything because it was better than shrek the third.
this is worst review I have ever seen shrek forever after is great not as good as 2 but 1 million times better than shrek 3 you should be ashamed of this review
It's great that you have your own opinion. But telling other people to be ashamed of themselves just because they don't agree with you it's bullying. If you stick around and become of viewer we hope that in the future you will be better than this.