Counterfeit Chinese Auto Parts And The Bigger Picture - Who Is Really To Blame?
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- čas přidán 19. 06. 2024
- A recent incident concerning a knockoff counterfeit Ford Valve Body and some of the biggest names in the automotive aftermarket industry is just the tip of the iceberg when it comes to the Chinese economic invasion of the western world.
But, China couldn't have achieved the level of manufacturing dominance it has without the help of people within the very industries that it has completely decimated.
So who really is to blame?
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Those who are old enough to remember Ross Perot and his warning about the “giant sucking sound as businesses leave this country” know he was so right about NAFTA.
I was a RP fan and I wasn't even in middle school yet. Yes I am kind of a wierdo but even I could understand it in 3rd grade.
It makes you wonder if RP had 8 years in the white house instead of what we ended up with, how different the American manufacturing landscape would be today.
yep
Yes. I remember. He pulled out of the presidential race because they were attacking his family and the corrupt politicians became upset and threatened. I remember his out of pocket infomercials. The original MAGA in my opinion.
I understood, but the average thought he was just lying then we ended up with Clinton, what a disaster.
I tell people this...for every transgression China commits against the U.S. there is a U.S. politician or corporation fascilitating and benefiting from that transgression.
You've got that right.
That's what I just posted.
Exactly!
Benefiting a little in the short term, sure, especially legislators... Corps not so much. This type of stuff isn't really done for reasons of greed or profit, that's just an easy excuse that is not controversial to say. The real reason this keeps happening is because Joe McCarthy was 100% correct, and what that implies.
@@qoph1988isn’t that dude long dead though?
As far as Walmart goes, they swept across the nation building their business on made in the USA being their policy. Then after they had built a borderline monopoly throughout the states, and ran nearly every small business out, Sam Walton, the business's founder dies and his family takes over.
After that, they pretty much immediately did away with the policy of selling only made in the US goods, and promptly became an unbelievably huge outlet for Chinese goods !
I remember them getting busted putting made in the USA stickers on Chinese products.
I also remember a 60 minutes segment about a plasma tv maker being forced by Walmart to relocate his factory to China or lose his Walmart contract.
Wow. I had forgotten that Walmart used to tout selling "Made in the USA"!! You are totally correct!
As a specifying engineer, now retired, I told my cohorts for decades not to specify things from overseas, that it would ruin our country gutting our manufacturing base... they wouldn't listen.
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....ruin your country?
....People in your country should have also told Military personnel .... to not kill innocents ....the CIA not to destabilise foreign Countries ....the Ambassadors ........not to aid and install oppressive regimes/ dictators .....and Congress to not suppply billions in Aid and weapons.... to fuel Wars, Massacres and War crimes
Maybe they would listen .....
.....and then not do all the other Fukrey .....YOUR country has done..... 'ruining' places around the world...... and is still doing to this day
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We cant afford to. Uncle Sam charging 3x what others charge.
The worst part of it all is. We're paying more now for cheap knock-off parts than we used to pay for quality parts we made here.
The Chinese can copy the size and shape. They can even match the paint fairly close. In my experience, they can't copy the strength and tolerances required for many metal parts.
that is thanks to the devalued USD. all started thanks to the fed reserve act 1913. and this is how bad it is in just 30 years. say I sold a part in 1994 for 1oz gold. it would cost you $200 in 2024 I still sell same part same price 1oz gold but now it costs you $2400 and that is with the fed manipulating the gold market with fake paper gold that don't exist. (real gold value should be 10K+)
@@goldenhawk352yeah Chinese casting and tactics aren’t near as good
@@goldenhawk352 1969 front charger's 383+auto ( aka really could have been bad and no working/installed seatbelts etc ) drums and hydraulics failures 3X-time's after that in 2015~ i promised myself it was time to disks-usa swap, they couldn't read southerners 🇺🇸 ( fenton mo-plant ) english or understand measuring 60's standards so parts were done using metric-standards etc 🤦🏻♂ glad i didn't hurt someone
@@goldenhawk352 nonsense, there is good quality Chinese and bad. They make to order like everyone else. So if you tell them to make it outta crap they will.
But hey, at least our politicians are multimillionaires and billionaires!
Would you call it "psychopath enrichment program" ?
@@hippie-io7225 That is exactly what it is. Well coined.
So are theirs
THOSE are not OUR politicians, but I get what you are saying.
That's because americans are clueless suckers with a mighty low standard of living. Maybe in 200 years when you finally reach puberty and your millitery has exhausted all the countries resources, maybe then yall will operate like a country instead of showing off to the world how you can bully others for a used pair of tennis shoes.
The made in China problem isn't entirely on the consumer - the consumer wasn't given a choice a lot of the time to keep the production of their stuff in the USA. The brands chose to outsource their production to China because they could keep the same price, but production costs could be less, meaning they make more profit for shareholders. At the end of the day it's always greed.
Try buying some brake rotors for any common make vehicle..domestic ones, any year model, newer or antique, and probably even for foreign vehicles..ALL Made in China..you think the major brand name ones aren't?...think again!...most if not all OEM ones are as well.....
Tony you’re absolutely right we were sold out by ourselves. This is where corporate greed and corrupt elected officials lead us to. If this is to be stopped, we need to create term limits for elected officials, get rid of lobbyist money in our political system, and better enforce our imports and copyright laws.
You left out one big thing Uncle . We chose the Chinese product , because we didn't want to pay Made in USA prices .
BEST COMMENT I'VE READ.
And the thing is ..China CAN make quality products (they produce BMW engines,iPhone, Fc Moto are quite good) but those ain't cheap either anymore and cost nearby the same as well known brands
Bullseye.
@@gorkzop
Those Chinese manufacturers are very carefully managed/controlled by the western companies; you can't compare an Apple Chinese manufacturer with non-western controlled factories.
We’ve made snap on disgustingly rich paying 20x or more on markup then they warranty your American tools with Chinese
We were going to be a "service economy" and use our brains instead of our hands, but if we had any brains we wouldn't have fallen for it.
I didn't fall for it, I learned skills, trades, and a lot of other things. Never did retail, foodservice, or cubicle/office jobs. Everything I did was tech and mechanical related.
Indeed. You will own nothing, and you will be happy !
@@SweatyFatGuyThat will not help you at all !! 😮
any economy that creates a middle class, forms a service economy. heck, we keep saying "china" but they make their cheap crap in Vietnam, Thailand, etc. Sad problem was, accountants used their brains to say outsourcing was cheaper, and the CEO showed it to the shareholders who let him keep his job and take a raise for it.
now today's high school graduates are thinking Vo Tech schools might make more sense than colleges.
Same thing happened with a lot of the new diagnostic equipment. US manufacturers had all that locked down at an extremely high price point. Then the Chinese bootlegged as much manufacturer specific tech as possible and loaded it all into an affordable tool that the average guy or mom and pop could afford. There are certain aspects that small garages can take advantage of to compete with the big dealers.
Tony, you are totally right. The greedy politicians, big corporations, unreasonable unions, people sueing at the drop of a hat has lead to this. I work near the main north/south Norfolk Southern railroad line from Cincinnati to Atlanta. Trains every ten to fifteen minutes totally loaded down with import trailers.....and thats just one rail line.
Uncle Tony for president 😂 who's with me?
Not so much as president but head of the Dept of Labor. That is where he would do the most good.
Sold out for profit
And purchased into destruction
Exact same thing has happened in Australia
Thatcherism and our Reaganomics says all that matters is profits with no interference or regulation from government. This is the end result. What's funny is, they are happy to make profit in a dictatorship, which is what they called America when they were here.
Uncle makes some good points, but ultimately it's us, the consumers, that cut our own throats. Why did American companies go to China for parts and tools? Because we were too damn cheap to pay for well-made products. As soon as the companies found out that cutting their price one buck had Americans flooding them with orders, away they went in a race to the bottom.
Of course it's too late to change now. Witness the very recent UTG clip on the mickey mouse China-made winches. Nearly every comment praised Harbor Freight and Chinese garbage because they could save a buck, and to hell with sturdy products. After all, if the piece of junk imported tool fails quickly, who cares? Just buy another, and another. Commenters here can find the culprit in all of this by looking in the mirror.
I was going to say it also an we sold out to save a dollar
30 years ago I spoke with an owner of a company and he was moving his manufacturing from the US and Mexico to China as it was so cheap and would save him money. 20 years ago I met him again and he was upset as another factory in China was copying his goods and selling it cheaper back to the US. He could not stop it and did not know what to do. Some years later I learnt that he had gone out of business which was no suprise to me. I was not asked for advice, I just listened, I knew when he was moving to China he would have issues. People do not understand that in China there is no such thing as licensing or copyright the Chinese government have to find work for a lot of people. You wil see the same product made in different Chinese factories to different quality levels this kills the market in the rest of the world. This is the reason you cannot find quality items in a lot of sectors anymore because people buy the cheapest product and dont care where it was made. Sad but true.
These products wouldn't exist if Americans didn't buy based on price. Instead of buying american made or from the company that invented/created the product, they buy the chinese knock-off on amazon. But sure blame the corporations.
I miss the old America for sure.
boy...& how...!...!..
Me too, I especially miss coming up to a red light looking over in the other lane and not seeing some dopey kid reving the engine in his POS hotrod version of a BMW or Mercedes. Usually I just ignore them as best I can.
And Australia...😏
recently I opened sealed boxes from 1990 with Manley Severe Duty pro Flo 2.02 and 1.60 SBC HQ valves...I bought them 35 years ago at Summit....the runout on the heads was horrible had to put them in the trash wouldnt seal in my Edelbrock Performer RPM heads and those valves were not counterfeits this was US made vintage valve crap....Dont understand this. It seems that Manley had quality issues in the early 1990s on their US production facilities and no QC.
@@Schlipperschlopper in the 1990's, there was a rash of counterfeit OEM parts. Boxes would have the Mopar logo on them but the colors wouldn't be inside the lines, etc. And those of us working on cars back in the 1970's remember buying cheap crap from JC Whitney etc catalogs and in the 1950's it was Almquist et al
I'm a retired TV repairman, I remember seeing my first "made in China" portable TV - I was amazed that it worked it was so "rustic". The same with early Samsung and Goldtar
I remmember when on a TV news
( I think it was in late 70's ) they
showed the last TV set build
in America. I think it was RCA.
No one was making a big deal
out of it. I was shocked.
I remember early Samsung, and it was "the crappy TV brand" of the 90s.
Brilliant and succinct. In this 25 minute dissertation by a guy with a ponytail sitting in front of a hotrod I've heard a fuller understanding of world politics and economics than most liberal arts educations can provide in 4 years.
Many people in the US throw 10%+ of their income into a 401(k) every single payday. That money goes to wall street banks and corporations. Those companies looked to "cut costs" and corporate execs and shareholders lined their pockets with that money for the past several decades. They shipped jobs overseas the entire time I've been working since the 1990s looking to pay people slave wages. US politicians from both parties helped this transition the whole time. It's hilarious when they complain about China now. The whole nation has been sleepwalking into a world they didn't want to live in.
"They" also don't teach us how to be truly wealthy. During 2008, my father in law lost 50% of his 401K "wealth". What a scam. True wealth: Healthy body, mind, relationships. Billionaire suicide is actually a thing.
It is still mind boggling to me that it is cheaper for companies to make products in China, pack them, put them in a shipping container, on a boat, sail across half of the world, unload them, get them in a truck, drive them across the country and sell them. Compared to making something in America, put it on a truck and drive it to market.
The usps subsidized it
That is exactly why the value and quality of the product you have in your hands is very low compared to the price you paid so every companies you described makes profit.
@@ricksanchez7459 they have to due to treaties
All for a country that is actively trying to take us down. It's mind boggling we keep giving them business when they know how much they are trying to to shut our infrastructure down on a daily basis with their hackers. They've already hacked many of our weapons/designs. But....the government bends the knee , pats them on the back and still does business with them. Mind boggling
It is not cheaper. YOU have always been manipulated to pay for all that shipping !!😮
Yep Tony, the Chinese knock of everything. I`m a retired Machinist, I have my own shop. A friend bought me a set of "high performance" aluminum Chevy Big Block heads, the holes for the rocker studs were stripped out, they pulled out, he told me they were Chinese! They had already welded up the holes and wanted me to re-drill and tap them for Helicoils, but there was no way for me to even locate the holes after they had been welded up! I had no specs to go by! The aluminum was very soft too. Maybe I could have located the holes off the valve guides, I don`t know, didn`t care. I told him I couldn`t do it, he understood, they were cheap heads his boss bought for a monster engine, yet his boss is a multi millionaire who could easily afford some quality American heads. I order alloy steels, aluminum, and titanium, it all comes from China!!!! We only have a couple of small specialty steel plants left in America, and they are struggling. Obama shut down our last Lead smelting plant in Arkansas, we get lead for bullets from recycled car batteries,..... You`re right, we lost WWIII.
That damned Obama ! How did he get elected anyway?
What you say is only half the story, as someone working with Chinese companies and work for one, majority of manufacturers in China is doing what their customers is ordering, meaning someone Contract them to produce it at the quality the ordering party wants. Some causes for sure are copycats others is fraudulent. But it's not Chinese manufacturers fault they produce what they are contracted for.
It is the Chinese`s fault. When they blatantly take a part and copy it without regard for patents or copyrights. As the valve body that Tony is talking about even has the name engraved into it. An American company would find themselves in court. You`ve been there too long, you even write like they do.@@JoelBergmark
I am having diffculty to locate a real American Machine Shop in Maryland in 2024 nevermind locate a live Machinist,. PS When I was laid off in 2024, I received a call from government counselor advisor for education training and I asked for school that teach Machinist, and the "foot path" counselor can not understand what the hell the Machinist is about!
The more of us out here drawing attention to this and talking about it the better! Kudos to you UTG and UTG nation jumping on this issue and helping to spread the word! Nothing will change unless WE force things to change!
American: I can't believe the crap that the Chinese make.
Chinese: I can't believe the Americans are asking us to make stuff so crap.
Correct
they also have incredible machines that we have CNC machines. there timber work is A class.
Private Equity firms suck too...a private equity firm now owns Holley/MSD/Flowmaster/Mallory/Hurst 😢
Starrett tools just got bought by one too.
Nothing but greed. The only function of a PE company is to put lipstick on it and sell it for a profit in 3-5 yrs
They own more than that.
Guess where most of it is manufactured..
It’s what happened to Chrysler after Daimler punted us to Cerberus. Cerberus further ruined Chrysler like Dr Z and his cronies at Daimler did before we got Fiat and now Stellantis. I miss Chrysler the Engineering Company.
Plus AFR too I think.
Chris from Canada, 1965 valiant signit, you know what a lot of people in the world have no idea what’s happening economically or with the gold standard our history, impressed with your knowledge
Yep!! 100% glad you said it.
NAFTA North America Free Trade Agreement. I stood on the Nogales border in 1993-94 protesting that shit to go through. This is what we have! Detroits big three is going to be a thing of the past shortly!
The auto industry is being sold for the utopian dream by globalists who have never had calluses or sweated. The EPA and CAFE regulations can't be matched by chemical realities. When I was young I heard this often : "If it seems too good to be true, then it is". The utopian dream will collapse and human suffering will ensue.
What was it Perot said? A huge sucking sound of American jobs I think it was.
@@jefferythomas4414 funny thing, folks blame clinton but forget Perot said it about Bush. NAFTA is an idea Reagan had and his VP Bush began as president. But hey, Nixon opened China up to us with Most Favored Nation Status. Both parties are out to screw us
Agreed. I remember all the textile jobs my area lost. Uni party willingly killed this country.
A true "Race to the Basement" in terms of wages and quality. Perot and Dr Pat Choate (his financial advisor) described it very well. Hard for $20/hr labor to compete with $5/day labor...
Ask the US manufacturers, the product distributors if its time to bring back manufacturing to USA? I think its time the pendulum swings back. Enough of this low ball crap sold with huge margins while our manufacturing has fallen apart.
EPA regulations pretty much guarantee that no manufacturing will be back to our country.
I truly believe in this..
Because of one reason...
We would Pay.. we could support..
Endorse them..
Even pay more . Knowing we are buying parts made here for our Cars..
We don't have the slightest idea or 'drive' to make it happen on the scale China has. Took 40 years to get here will take 100 to get back.
@@eriestreetgaragethrow current us fed gov out
@@shadowopsairman1583 you can blame the gouvernements if you want.
Thanks for the history lesson Tony , you hit the nail on the head !!!
About 10 years younger than you and clearly remember going with my dad to one of those Harbor Freight tool setups at county fairground here in western PA, probably mid 80's he was a car guy and was amazed the stuff he could never get his hands on before right there in front of him. We took home a floor jack which finally quit working for me 4 years ago. And I promptly replaced with another Harbor Freight jack from a store front 10 miles away from me now.. And yes we lost this war years ago. Good stuff thanks
You nailed it Tony! Take it from an unemployed machinist.
Damn. We need guys like you.
@@LongIslandMopars In Germany they tell that there is "Fachkräftemangel" that means: “Skilled labor shortage” BUT they dont want to pay those skilled pleople, they try to give them "Mindestlohn" = "minimum wage" with those few bucks you cant afford any flat or car...so nobody wants to work in those jobs.
@@Schlipperschlopper It's the same here and the scales are way out of balance. It saddens me to see the manufacturing that left our island. Back in the day aerospace was a major employer with plants like Grumann, Fairchild, and Republic Aviation. They are all gone along with the theoretical engineering and applied technical acumen that built some of the world's most significant air and spacecraft (the lunar lander was built only a few miles away from me). It's terrible that we are no longer self-reliant as a nation.
I'm 33, I went to a vocational high school. Took up machining. My first job every other shop week was at a local Tool shop. I won't mention the name but if you are a machinist you've prolly used their tools... Drills, taps, side cutters, slot cutters... Etc. The company literally bought huge stock of drills and endmills from MSC and lazer etched their name on them in shop and sold them ad theirs. Made me sick then, makes me sick now.
Amen! We need to start over. UT for Pres.
This might be one of my favorite videos of yours Tony . ( And I watch them all ) Tony for Prezzz !!!
Hey Unc 100 percent, love your Channel and totally promote it you bring things to the average layman’s level, which so many need today. God Bless.
Offshoring is such a disaster. Just look at AC Delco, once an OEM quality parts maker. Today, their parts are junk. I've had multiple AC Delco parts fail far too quickly. Bearings on water pumps, bad EGR valves are what come to mind at the moment, but I've seen enough to stay away from them.
Even the spark plugs they make now are junk with the threads all screwed up I noticed so I switched to the equivalent NGK that are made much better when you look at the both of them closely. Even champion is junk now compared to years ago and most of these Chrysler engines back in the day ran better using them but not anymore. I've bought new AC & champ plugs some years ago that had smashed electrodes and cracked ceramic bodies that shouldn't have passed quality control but did & got boxed up and sent out & had to take them back to swap them out for a plug that could be used . Our country has literally turned into a 3rd world country now thanks to our sell out politicians especially who we have running this country now Ol crooked Joe where at least when we had the guy before him we had more jobs coming back to America inflation was at a all time low food was way cheaper and those gas prices were fantastic and now look what we have !funding 2 wars everything is expensive as hell and this A hole could care less about the people that are actually the American citizens and of course our vets that are being treated with no respect and are living in the streets sick & can't find a place to live while he lets these illegals in that are getting free money housing and food which is disgusting because we are paying for it. I just lost a friend who died in a accident because of an illegal that shouldn't have been here who had 2 prior OWIs and was drunk driving that caused the accident because he was coming at him head on in the same lane and he died from the accident & he has 2 small children and a wife that this POS killed him and I blame Biden for this not closing the borders off & kicking his ass out . Biden will burn in a lake of fire for eternity for what he's done to our country and it's people along with the rest of them one day and it can't happen fast enough.
Cheap cost a lot more than you think,when you have to replace it constantly.😂
I agree. Let me ask you something How much were the Delco employees getting paid? Now compare that the Chinese labor...it's all about profit, almighty dollar
Ah my water pump just went on my Chevy truck, bearings. You're dead on
Well the guy called Broader and said he had a problem with the valve body it locked up in third. He asked where did he buy it. They guy said he bought it from Summit and Broader said we don't sell through Summit. The guy said your names on it and he said send me a picture of it and he got it and then recognized it wasn't his exactly. Then Broader bought one for himself.
he should've called a lawyer to get summit to pay. they'd settle.
it doesn't need a patent or anything, just that they sold a product with his name on it makes it a counterfeit product. it's the resellers crime too, they can't hide behind their supplier on that.
I personally would buy a valve body or transmission from Cope racing transmissions & valve bodies because he & his son do all the machine work in house making billet aluminum valve bodies and heavy duty components for upgrades to many well known transmissions for older & newer cars trucks . Each & every valve body he makes gets a number engraved in them that's logged into his log books so if it comes back to be rebuilt or fixed he can look it up and it shows what exactly has been done to them . He also does this so he knows for sure it was one of them designed & made by him and not some crappy China knock off . He is mostly known for doing Chrysler 904 and 727 transmissions & valve bodies for drag racing but also does GM & fomoco as well & can build them from mild up grade to all our wild race transmissions.
Hey Tony! All true and we have no one to blame but ourselves, the corporations and politicians.
There is an outfit right here in Toronto where my wife worked briefly during the 2008 Depression. Her job was to pack Chinese and, worse, Indian auto parts for the North American market. The problem was that not all of a part would be packed in a "Midnight Auto Supply" carton. Some of the SAME part would be packed in brand name cartons. 😢
Buying our land now.
I’d rather give my land to a fellow Canadian than sell it for millions to a Chinese.
That's not nearly as widespread as some folks with an agenda would have you believe.
@@shawnbottom4769 right just like them walking in from mexicao
the only thing we are not 100% dependent on for china is food, and now even they are taking our farm land.
@@shawnbottom4769The fact that I happens at all is intolerable. No foreign entity should own a single inch of our soil.
Man, I live in Canada and this place isn't much better than you just explained. Our industry has been deflated to an extent that it'll never come back, shit a lot of our food comes from somewhere else. It is shameful!
Canuckistan is the leader in the fall of our Western world. You guys are NWO enablers, by allowing Turdeau to lead you into communism !! 😮
Here in Germany we even have Chinese milk and cheese in the supermarket..its horrible
Truedue the commie is partially to blame for this who his mother slept with Castro from what I am hearing & he is a tyrant just like Castro was wanting to take everyone's guns away which there are a lot of Canadian people that live in very rural areas that need these guns they have & use to hunt for game to feed themselves and wouldn't be able to survive if that happens & it's the same for some rural areas in the USA where you don't have a local grocery store close by & people hunt during hunting season to keep food on the tables.
In Canada, too. Still have some of my fathers mechanic tools from the 50's and 60's. Lots of long forgotten brand names.All stamped "made in Canada", and all top quality. Surprising that once upon a time, that WAS Canada !!
@@SchlipperschlopperI’d rather eat my own sh1t
Hey Tony, please keep dishing of the info.
Great content. Thanks
Excellent informative and insightful tutorial. Thanks UTG, Cheers! 😉
No party affiliations just straight up American ! 👉 🇺🇸
That was a great follow-up of the '68 Pontiac that you did 2 years ago! Politicians hates us all... DeFeo 2028 !!
I'm 60 and everything you said here is 100% fact. I remember everything you discussed here and I knew that we were going to be fucked and here we are.
When you talk about counterfeit parts, I always think OEM. When I was working at a Ford dealer, we started having comebacks on misfire repairs that we repaired with a COP. We service part warrantied a couple, but on the third one, we started asking questions. I pulled all coils from parts and stress tested them. Of the 47 coils I tested , only one of them passed. We looked at all the coils, and they all had the same production date ! We had some coils sent over from Motorcraft and noted they were in sealed bags with different production dates. It turns out the parts manager thought he had gotten a good deal on coils. Instead, he got counterfeits. We were lucky that the ones we warrantied, the claims didn't get kicked back.
That’s damn right! When America was a powerhouse we afforded to pay our fellow man for his superior product. Somewhere along the line we forgot who we were hurting. The high cost of a low price!
we were a powerhouse because two world wars blew away the competition. by the time they got on their feet, we got hit with high oil prices to run everything on. then the middle class paycheck got hit with stagflation left over from Nixon taking us off the gold standard to pay for Vietnam, and the middle class consumer bought the cheap imported crap they could afford.
If you can afford it go ahead, Money Bags, the rest of us can’t afford anything.
@@obeseperson and that's part of the problem--we aren't considering the middle class is shrinking and can't afford union-made, american made products. For example, the average America moves 12 times in their life--that used to be more like 4 times. so if you buy a house and it needs a fridge, you buy what you can afford at Home Despot or Lowedown, not something that costs more but lasts the life of the house.
Too many salesmen and financial men in the middle sucking all the quality off one end and all the profit of the other.
everyone likes to blame China but you spoke the truth, we have been sold out to the lowest bidder and society now just wants to pay the lowest price. reminds me of this quote "It's unwise to pay too much, but it's worse to pay too little. When you pay too much, you lose a little money - that's all. When you pay too little, you sometimes lose everything, because the thing you bought was incapable of doing the thing it was bought to do."
true, but i'll just add society doesn't always get to choose--our middle class is shrinking and sometimes all it can afford is the cheap product. after all, it's not just the auto parts industry, its home repair crap as well, at your local Home Despot or Lowedowns.
@@alertgasper yes i agree, it is expensive to be poor
@@eleventwelves very true. and it takes money to save money--budget build car projects work when the builder owns a house to store stuff at, rather than rent a storage shed.
A more well explained version of "Buy once, cry once".
I remember years back when you could purchase Proto and Stanley tools at your local hardware and auto supplies. They were mostly made in the USA or Canada.
This is a HEAVY video, full of truth..
Also the thing that started all this offshore production was the Lima Agreement in 1975, when the UN Nations decided to aid economic growth in the Third World by transferring Manufacturing Industries to them. Which started rearing it's head in the late 90's and is entering it's endgame right now
Japanese cars caught on because the quality was so much better than the US cars in the late 70’s on. I worked in service depts for both, seen it firsthand.
Im lookin for a subaru brat or 3 to hold on to. Even if i have to upgrade the engine to a 90s version its still better quality and value than the new pos
And who'da thought they would be making them here some day? Not me.
they focused on quality and value. It seems really simple, but GM, Ford, Chrysler never came close to figuring it out. Still haven't and never will. It's bizarre. Japanese companies are quite good at making mechanical stuff and blades too. There's a grey market for Made in Japan tools like Milwaukee drills, etc... There's exceptions of course, some janky, sketchy Toyota and Honda years, some bad engines, but overall, on another level.
My dad worked for GM in the 70's. He bought the best of GM, a 74' Vega and a 76' Chevette. He bought a 1977 Honda Accord. That car was so much better than the Chevette it wasn't even funny!!! The same price too!! The quality was better, the engineering was better, it had a 5 speed transmission and front wheel drive.
The Japanese imports made Detroit honest.
@patrickthomas8736 I wouldn't even call the vega or the chevette the best of gm lol, those were bottom of the barrel cars...not saying Japanese cars are junk but the American stuff from the 70s for the most part can still be kept going today with routine maintenance and with modern oils the engines last a lot longer even when rebuilt back to the old school factory specs...I love Japanese cars but american mid size and full size cars from the 70s and 80s are easier to keep on the road especially with part availability
Tony I'm 69yrs old and you totally nailed it. Good job!
great video tony, you explained it very well.
Thank you Uncle Tony. I’m an older gen Z. Your little tidbits of economic history help me make sense of the world. I wasn’t there for the economic war we lost. I only live in the ruins.
even the gen-x and boomers have no idea it was already set it stone when they was being born, thanks to the fed reserve act 1913.
Kudos to you uncle for saying it like it is.
I remember (old geezer here): Kruschev saying that the US would sell to the Soviets the rope needed to hang capitalism.
He was wrong, it was sold to the Chinese.
Thank you Nixon! 😖
China uses the old Communist dogma; the long march through the institutions, which is a phrase is used to describe the intellectual takeover of a society without need to resort to a military conflict.
you know USA isn't the only country with the chinese quality problem. China has a huge quality problem with debts quality, with brand new housing being just money down the drain due to shenigans, bridges, food all have problems. the new chinese middle class has to contend with things like gas company changing the meters and tripling usage and the meter running even when you're not using any, the apartment they got mortgage for already not existing, wages being stuck at pre covid levels etc.
It was bound to fail at some point, just didn’t expect like this
You nailed it Tony!
I've been saying a lot of this message word-for-word. I grew up in Waterbury, CT - an Industrial Revolution town. 'Brass City USA'. Anaconda Copper. The Waterbury Watch Company became Timex. Dozens of machine shops making plenty for the automotive and every other industry. When I was 10 in 1973, I wandered abandoned factories with my friends. By the time I was working age in 1979, people were ashamed of Waterbury as it was already a fallen city. Tony's solution sounds about right. It was America's break with our isolationist policy that got us in trouble in the first place.
Having lived in China for 18 years and spending 4 of that doing QC/QA, what happens is a manufactuer is chosen, based on an agreed price with some requirements such as ISO certificates.ect,ect, they (the factory) then outsources the order to a factory that doesn't have any licence (no chinese business licence, no certifications) for way cheaper, then truck them into the ligitimate factory and ready for pre shipment inspection, usually someone at the good factory will go through the order place the 'good quality' cartons at the front of the pile and the inspector will do a half hearted job with factory staff positioned around him or her trying to distract them from inspecting.
Try and follow the paper trail ? Sure, all paperwork is there, you can see the 'raw material' orders for that particular order, when asked to do a random inspection while production is still happening, you often get the excuse "Oh, next week", then by next week "Order done, come and have a look".
Putting the screws to the average Chinese 14 hours a day 6 days a week peasant won't solve that though, right?
@@Milkmans_Son No, but Chinese businessmen are usually very cunning and everyone who's involved wants a cut of the pie which leads to these situations.
That sums it up.
@@jaywon555 Thanks for the eye-opening information about how things are done in the QC/QA end of this manufacturing environment. And under "everyone who's involved", would that include the shareholders who are realizing unprecedented returns on their investments in these companies? Legitimate question, and no I am not a shareholder in anything myself. I am a small, independent, self employed maker.
Very informative, thanks.
Our government will just act like it didn't happen.
1971 was a major loss, but the war started in 1912/1913 When we let the banks back in and started taxing our workers into wage serfdom.
Best video you have ever done. Truth hurts. Agee with you! Thank you, Uncle Tony.
“I’m going to say something controversial” nah not really. You’ve got about 3 years on me. U.S. old guys get it. Great video.
None of this has ever been controversial, it's always been a popular and state-approved excuse for a phenomena that has plenty of other causes... Like people in charge who hate this country and its founding stock and want to destroy it for foreign interests, and have for decades
11:30 watching this and knowing I'm sitting about 15mi away from one of the largest chip plants we had in the 90s, IBM East Fishkill NY.
They used to employ about 30k people,now it's a ghost town.
There's less than 3000.
our failure is by design
That’s terrible. So much goodness in New York State that has left.
@@LongIslandMopars
IBM used to make this place so fat and happy.
In fact after the county fair was over, the week after they had another one but it was called the IBM fair.
Employees could bring their guests.
It was 90% the same but everything was free. Towards the end they did start charging like 25c for a burger though.
The amount of waste was horrendous.
They'd design and engineer a new building for some kind of manufacturing technique.
Then during it The technology would change, so they scrapped it.
Literally scrapped all the material and everything
Say there was a scanning electron microscope slated for install?
Straight in the dumpster.
There was a "strict" policy about dumpster diving but yeah right ,everyone had stuff at home from IBM.
My dad was saying, just using the numbers for an example, that say a mainframe computer cost 50 million from them.
When the market started tanking for them ,they sold them at 10 million and still made horrendous profit.
The gravy train was over by the mid /late 90s
I usually go to the cracker barrel in Fishkill when passing thru.
@@Jonsoaryeah that's pretty good I've been in there occasionally.
Haha actually last time was a little reunion with a few of pops coworkers.
Further up on 9 in Wappingers near the Subaru dealer there's a kickass Chinese dumpling place.
There's actually a lot of good restaurants up thru there if you can deal with the traffic.
Ya know it's good when the sign reads "dumplings" and that's it😂
In the late 60s I had a SnapOn tool franchise. They were the gold standard
Great video!
I remember when harbor fright was mail order and the ad came in the newspaper.
Harbor FRIGHT is right. Buy it , bring it home, then fix it so it works half ass.
Spot on assessment, Tony. Been watching this slow moving train wreck my entire life, and I'm older than you. I'm surprised they've been able to keep the charade going for this long.
I haven't had any more difficulty with Chinese clone parts than I have with American made parts. I think it's great to have Chinese clone parts just because of their price point. Most are true copies and function like the originals. The trick is knowing what you are buying, and that ain't easy. I bought a $12 Chineese " Brigs&Stratton" carb. And it functions perfectly.
Speaking truth once again, as usual. Really enjoyed this talk. Thanks, Tony!
One word: Greed.
It's not greed. That only motivates the patsies. This is basically unconventional warfare, ever since MAD and nukes made the old-fashioned kind impossible if you want to do it directly between two armed countries. It's communist subversion. It sounds cliche because it's true and it's been true since 1945
Every part of this video is correct. The school system is broken too. It’s become such a business that high schools basically are just there to talk you into going to college. So many people my age aren’t going into trades at all and that’s also hurting this country pretty bad.
I have friends who are teachers. They are tortured by the inhuman "policies" being enforced.
Blame CORPORATIONS. It is LITERALLY their fiduciary DUTY to make money for their shareholders. If corporations were people we would call them psychopathically GREEDY. Corporations don’t care about employees or families or nations or products or “long term ramifications.” Their short term profits are the ONLY thing that matters.
Nailed it!
quiet you and go buy the company made in china junk, ceo needs a new yacht.
Good point, UT, most people don't realize wars can be business oriented too
You’re damn right Tony. I’ve been in the commercial landscape irrigation supply business for 33 years. When I got started 95% of everything I sold was US made. Now it’s less than 5%. It looks just like the US made stuff but the fit and finish isn’t what it was back in the day. It will take a full generation of Americans to rebuild what we once had.
Don't expect it. We have an amalgamation of foreigners who are not Americans, and Americans who are loyal to foreign nations, and that is probably 33% or more of the population at this point. Add in the woke equity affirmative action alphabet letters HR departments and the fear and cowardice and lack of backbone and doing what is right (because those above the corrections won't take them, due to ego arrogance and control freak issues), so don't expect American quality to even be able to be revived.
Thank you Tony for speaking the truth. Corporate greed has gotten us to where we are today. Money IS the root of all evil ! P.S. thank you Mr. Nixon.
The actual quote is, " the love of money, is the root of all evil ". Money is just money, can't do anything without help from humans.
Death by 1000 cuts seems to be as true a statement as ever. Slow acting, but in the end, absolutely devastating.
the WORST offender? Dorman..i refuse to put any Dorman parts on my cars..you KNOW its junk..
Actually Dorman makes some pretty good stuff. Granted a lot of their stuff is cheap crap, but some of it is actually better than stock. A couple things that come to mind are transmission pans that are thicker metal than stock and have a drain plug already built in, and replacement chrome lug nuts that are solid metal instead of the factor ones with tin caps that swell up to where you can’t get the socket on them anymore.
Unless u gotra pentastar 3.6 with the plastic oil filter housing..then u love Doorman...they also mke elbows for the 3800gen3 guys👍🏻😬
@@michaellehmann2803 Not been my experience with dorman. Sometimes you just don’t have a choice and dorman is the only option. I’ve never seen a dorman part that fit without modifications. I’ve never seen one that was anywhere near as thick as OEM. The last dorman oil pan I bought was so bad that every single hole was drilled out of place just enough that I had to weld up every hole and re drill them.
Yes! I forgot about the 3800 coolant elbows, but I’ve actually done 3 of those pentastar oil filter housings in the last 6 months! Way better than the crappy plastic factory part!
Dorman.. as I was told.. from the Rep.. uses a Database of Parts being taken off of Cars from u-pick, Pick-ur-part.. etc, etc..
If it's being taken off of junk cars. They will start making it..
No argument about it's quality..
They even make, Leaf Strings!!..
The Control Arm line .. actually uses a harder Bushing in its Ball joint etc .. as I laughed,, saying.. so you can actually get mild performance handling upgrade using them since there harder then OEM Spec!?.. hahaha..
His face.. like I just gave him a sales angle.. hahaha..
So yes.. if it's Dorman it's Crap ..
Cheers from Orange County California 🇺🇸
Hey Tony you're spot on with this video. I'm a 40+ years back yard mechanic/jack of all trades and all I can say is if it weren't made in China...I would own hardly anything!
Jessie James said in an interview years ago, how he would sell his parts to builders, and then they would send them overseas have them copied and start selling them cheaper!!
6 to 8 years ago the late Billy Mc Quin handed me 2 midget (speedway) shocks & asked me what the difference was between them
Well I looked at both of them & also searched the packaging & could see not discernable difference, it had to be pointed out to me the very fine print.
First MADE IN THE USA
SECOND ASSEMBLED IN THE USA
A whole toolroom was sacrificed all in search of a couple of extra $$$$$ also the loss of the years of technical development gone
Kiwi Rod
Holy crap!!! I have been trying to explain this to people for years. I am glad I am not the only one that’s apparently crazy or nuts.
Glad you're talking openly now Tony. You're a perceptive man.
The only way to make America great again is obvious. Get behind the man.
Peace!
I find a trend going on.
Many CZcamsrs are stepping out of their normal boxes to talk about stuff like this.
Thank you
I have seen my fair share of counterfeit products in the radio and gun parts market.
Now I'm seeing it in many places. It's to the point where I have to look up how to identify the counterfeits.
electronics has it bad, so so many knock off parts. 2sc1972 not made anymore not been in a very long time yet still find *new* 1972s which every single one of them is junk.
So far this is a great outcome to this story. As a 54 year old life long drag racer i didn't know the B name guy who makes apparently very good valve body products, but when his vid came up i watched it...and was no surprise about counterfeit parts. Been going on full force since the 1990s. Summit got caught...but at least they had a very positive response. People will be watching them like hawks for now on. Of course they knew all along but now they been caught they probably won't be playing that game at the levels they were.
Im sure somebody in summit knew what was going on, but will go so far as to say i bet everybody didnt know. There has been many a counterfeit part sold in last 30+ years in the original correct mfg boxes duplicated almost exact. Nobody had the means to verify out of the box...you had to run the part to realize this part sucks! Turns out you had a counterfeit and practically nobody knew. The speedmaster thing was kind of outright obvious, but 8n any event this whole deal is getting attention and thats a start!
Amazon and other online stores are basically a distribution center for fake products
No, no, no Unk.
It is the fault of the consumer. I remember years ago a friend getting his radio stolen out of his car. He was so mad. He said he eas going to buy a hot radio from somebody because it was cheap. When I told him not to do that he asked me why. I said as long as thieves have a market they will continue to steal. Same rules apply to cheap parts. You give them a market and they will make cheap parts. There's an American company that makes products that goes into paint. They shut down a profitable plant in Delaware and opened one in China to save a few cents. Once the Americans stopped watching and supervising the process at the plant in China the product turned to crap. Boycott China.
Yesterday I tried to buy a US made GM or AC Delco waterpump ....they are 3x the cost of an aftermarket part......and both were made in china anyway.
Should I give $240 to GM for a chinese part or Gates $80 for the exact same part in a plain box.....the castings and seals look identical. Its sad when you get excited to see made in mexico on something.
the thing is that the market existed for the american products. like your paint additive example, the consumer was buying the products it went into.
but let's be fair. the middle class is shrinking, so it's not always a cynical pursuit to save a buck, it's a family that can't really afford the best. look at home products at Home Despot or Lowedown. same cheap crap problem, but americans now move 11.7 times in their life (used to be like 3 or something). so, why pay more for a toilet that lasts more than 10 years?
@@lasskinn474 That's Ashland who makes paint additives and they are in Parlin, NJ. Making a product at a lower cost is not a bad thing but I think they were trying to get away from union labor. In this case most consumers don't know who made their paint. if you are buying paint because you want a fresh coat on a house that you are selling then most consumers buy the cheapest stuff. If you are a painter and you know one paint goes on easier and looks better than you pay more for a that better product.
World War 3 is a quiet war with silent weapons.
Keep up the great work Tony!
Exactly right on all counts. Glad I'm not the only one.
There’s one thing you forgot and that’s when Clinton signed a NF act betrayed that got the ball rolling real fast!
Amen!
What actually started the ball rolling was when Republican President Nixon opened trade with China in the early 70's .
NAFTA...
He knows about NAFTA. He doesn't go into great detail because he's thinking he'll get censored
clinton put china as a most favored trade nation ,duties only 4%, traitor in 1998
Best video yet. Keep it real Tony. Send 'em back!
Well put Tony!
i remember when ronald reagan said "we don't need manufacturing jobs , well be a sevice economy. all the yuppies jumped on board buying cheap imported crap. hence where we are in 2024.
I retired from Stanley Black and Decker. They went totally Chinese back in about 2001. Our products took a major quality hit. I totally agree with you. I actually think it's too late to do anything about it.
There are plenty of ways, but they require political will.
Most Craftsman tools are made overseas now as well
@@artbrookey3468 Stanley bought Craftsman awhile back.
We'll have to eventually. It's getting too expensive to police the world's shipping lanes.
There's at least 2,500 US companies in China, with China having majority control. No idea how many small ones there are. Maybe thousands.
and 500 German companies too!
it's more like tens of thousands, though then again what do you count as a company - does what is a sourcing agent essentially count or not
@@lasskinn474 That info is being kept secret. The 2,500 companies with China government controlling interest is only public because their stock is traded in International markets. Just like Goon Tube blocking comments, it's owner, Goongle, is blocking access to any useful information.
You can't see the invisible hand, but you can see the things it's moving around. 😉☮️
@@lasskinn474 Goon Tube blocking response to you
The funny, sad part when you find out most of the owners /ceos are Republicans supporters /conservatives.
Good video, thanks 👍🏼
You hit the nail on the head, Tony.
I lived in Englishtown, NJ during the 1980s and 1990s. The place you're talking about was called Railroad Salvage. It was directly across from a wrecking yard on Englishtown Road. My 12 ton shop press is one of the last pieces that still works bought from Railroad Salvage. I don't think there was any affiliation with Harbor Freight Tools. Harbor Freight was a mail order company way back then out here on the East Coast. Give Winnie a hug, cheers!
What happened? That's not the Boomer chair!
WHAT HAPPENED TO THE BOOMER CHAIR? 😁
Just look at aftermarket camshafts and lifters. Made in China
The Boomer chair was probably made in China and is now broken
You are so right Tony. Absolutely!
Tony,
"You hit the nail on the head" I could have not said it better.
I wish buying American made products was still a option. It just isn’t anymore
Yep. We're screwed!
to put it simply....!...we r..!...!
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