This is PEAK Sword Fight Choreography (Realistic & Cool!)
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- čas přidán 19. 06. 2024
- "Laurus Nobilis - messer vs messer duel fight" by @AdoreaOlomouc
• Laurus Nobilis - messe...
This duel scene proves that it's perfectly possible to combine realism and historical accuracy with awesome cinematic action and compelling storytelling. Even down to showing us something about the personality of a character, instead of forcing narrative exposition. Remarkably well done!
Also no ultra-shaky camera work with a million jarring jump cuts, imagine that!
(If you haven't seen my rant on that topic: • STOP with the Jittery ... )
And of course it's neat to see them fighting with messers, an often overlooked type of medieval & renaissance weapon.
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Falchion or Messer? - Definition and Differences
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A Brief Introduction to the Rules of Historical Pistol Duels
• A Brief Introduction t...
Realistic Smallsword Duels in a Movie? - The Duellists (1977)
• Realistic Smallsword D...
The Most Realistic Sword Duel in Movie History
• The Most Realistic Swo...
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This team produces some top notch swordfights.
Hmmm... got some time to browse
It’s so good. That fight actually makes me nervous and a bit nauseous when I put myself in their shoes
It would be neat to see them or another group recompose film fights
They have a BUNCH of really good videos. Definitely worth going through their Playlists.
Subscribing to them has been one of my best youtube decisions ever. If only Hollywood took notes...
These guys do the best sword fighting ive ever seen. Realistic while still having a cinematic flair to it. It looks super cool and flashy but you still believe theyre trying to kill each other.
cinematic? I think no matter how good the choreography, the cinematography looks very amateur - probably b/c it is
@@helvete_ingres4717it looks better than the shaky cam that’s in most modern movies
Absolutely agree! Well said. I felt the same way!
@@nickbob2003 actually good cinematography czcams.com/video/gCKhktcbfQM/video.html
@@nickbob2003 the lighting is just horrible
What's especially excellent about the fight choreography is that they seem to _react_ to what their opponent is doing, not already be moving to block before a strike is made etc. The actors know what's going to happen next, of course, but the _characters_ don't - and that comes across really well.
I used to do choreographed fights and that's one of the hardest things to get, because you have done the fight over and over, but your character hasn't.
Hello for all swordfight fans⚔️
Thank you for your analysis Skalagrim!
Adorea team
You guys do amazing work! The best fights hands down.
Love the breakdown of the body language and what it portrays. It's easy to forget just how much of our interpretation and understanding is built primarily off of nonverbal cues, and how a good cast and crew can express these things without speaking a word.
This is definitely one of the top two-three scenic sword fight I’ve seen, Adorea guys are simply top notch.
Hey it's Federico! Can you make a tutorial on Fiore's disarm, the one that makes the sword go spinning away? When you make the video I would also like if you went over how you can kind of force that situation on the opponent. Most people back away when defending, which makes that specific scenario for the disarm, where you both are up close, kind of rare.
Edit: Also forgot, most people don't keep their sword on your sword long enough that you can do the maneuver, they usually take it off and attack back or retreat as quickly as possible.
Not sure if you know or if it's been mentioned, but these are the same people that did Knight of Hope. They seriously need to be hired for swordfight choreography in movies and TV.
Yes, and they were hired for a game at least, the Kingdom Come: Deliverance
@@RAI-1911Which in my view does not use the team's full potential.
Sounds good in theory.
But the producers, directors and investors won't use the choreography. They will just try to get them to make the typical Hollywood flailing look cooler.
What we need is big money investors to help finance these guys to make longer form films, with higher production budgets.
So they can shoot on location. And have very authentic sets to work with. And this will give higher caliber cinematographers something to gravitate to.
In the last 20 years I've seen amazing cinematography going completely to waste on dismal period piece drama fluff, like that Queen Victoria drama garbage from 5 or more years ago.
Or the Game of Rose Thornes telenovella nonsense.
Imagine a Stanley Kubric quality period film with this kind of serious sword play.
And with modern cameras, lighting and cinematography. Wow!
Swordplay needs a John Wick moment.
They could have them for a movie series of _A Song of Ice and Fire_ once the books are out properly. (Or now, and just not go beyond the avalible source matieral unless they have a heads-up from George R.R Martin.)
Highly recommend everyone go watch the video first then circle back to this one, It's cool when Skall points out stuff you missed in the original video.
Also the original video is really well done and we should all go give it a full view for the algo, these people deserve all the attention and hopefully big movie studios notice more realistic stuff like this.
I saw this months ago and came to the same conclusions. It's not just the actual fight choreography (which is just objectively superior to Hollywood), but the acting and story telling were also top notch. By the end of it I realized a whole story was told with only a few lines of actual dialogue.
Their videos are awesome.
Proof that choreography and realism can and should go hand in hand in cinema.
The problem is that those guys have been training historical fencing for a very long time and then know what they are doing. No average actor would be able to he that good and natural in time.
The Messer are top notch made by Pavel Moc. My school buys either from him or elgur - and for a good reason I might add.
Maybe more Boxers should be Actors
One of the boxers in the Rocky movies is an actual boxer
Actors used to be military veterans and master sword fighters. The fencing in old movies were all "real" in that the actors were actually dueling. Some of the interviews they talk about how it's hard/annoying to purposely lose against inferior fighters, but it's what the script demanded.
@@Serahpin
How many of them can be John Wick?
@@Serahpin yeah...
But we don't get that type of actors anymore.
The times of Christoffer Lee are sadly gone.
@@christiandauz3742 Haven't seen it.
I know these guys personally. And they are very cool guys, their knowledge of swordsmanship is totally professional. They are from Czech republic as well as other very good historical reenactors. I am very proud that they represent my country like this.
I've been in Czechia looking for reenactors all the time, but I did not see a single one in Prague or Sázava.
Skal, Adorea Olomouc is the long-acting group of historical swordsmen. They are training and mock-fighting for years - that is what you can not anticipate from 99% of actors.
Eh, advice from such people could probably still go a long way to improve cinematic works that don't outright disregard such realism.
Yeah but these talented people are not "in on it", they not "one of them", so their experience is ignored by the Hollywood "elites".
As long as they can make these cool scenes and still make a living, I'm totally ok with it.
How very, very true. 🙂
@@Andri474 No, professionals just tend to cost more than low-budget choreography studios and these Hollywood "elites" didn't get rich by spending more money than they need to. That and producers often just don't care about realism for their melee combat.
Source: I'm one of these "talented people" in Hollywood and my studio knows what our talents are actually worth.
@@griffinmckenzie7203
Yes, professionals do cost more, and when they're not on board, people watch the silly choreography anyway.
This combination is why we can't have nice things.
But never forget, you are successful because the public says so.
Glad to see you cover them again. Czech rep. beasts indeed!
As a czech and a medieval lover myself, i love that AdoreaOlomouc is finally getting the recognition it deserves
Even in fantasy, people would benefit from thinking about how things work.
Like, you have to understand the physics of real fighting, if you add fantasy elements to the realism with real rules of the fantasy elements, then you can develop a much more refined choreography.
This is the route I'm taking even just as a writer. Knowing these fundamentals of how fighting actually works makes it a hell of a lot easier to figure out how I'm going to write a fight scene.
Chekhov's gun...or rather Chekhov's _sword..._ Every swing or silent movement serves a purpose in this short clip, showing instead of telling. I love it.
Edit: just watched the whole video...they even advertised the swords at the end of the clip too! Pavel Moc swords. I'm curious to see more of the Czech swordsmith weapons. For now, I'm going to binge Adorea Olomouc's other sword fighting videos.
Thanks for honoring Adorea. They do amazing work and I think there is a huge audience for it. Lets keep giving them praise and see where they go!
Andorea's team is the very best in historical fencing choreography. All of their scenes are cool with a huge bonus of realism and correct techniques. A delight to hema fans.
This is also peak Skallagrim content. Thanks for the vid
Great analysis, wouldn't expect less from Skal. These guys have some excellent videos, great, accurate fighting.
I love Adorea's videos. Even their more silly fun videos (see Sword Fight Club) are miles ahead of anything seen in movies and shows.
To be fair they massively benefit from having an entire cast of stuntmen already equipped with massive amounts of knowledge and training and arn't limited to how much of that they can cram into someone whos skills and focus are in acting... and trying to do so within a short amount of time... and have full control over the scene itself...
But still, awesome stuff.
Cheers!
The 1 where thr guy duels like 10 people walking down the street 😂 just brilliant
Just got a silly smile on my face being reminded of the madness of Sword Fight Club.
@@TeflonSoul its a great video lol
This is the definition of “cool” in my book, I grew out of the idea that flourishes were cool when I was a kid, M.A. has that effect, now this is what I find cool, and those guys are extremely good at it, the dedication to training is simply implied by the excellence of their execution. ❤
AndoreaOlomouc is such a good YT channel, their fights are incredible. theyre all so talented
Sometimes simpe is better. Thank you for showing us this clip, it was really entertaining! Both the original, and the analysis as well!
Adorea Olomouc's short films are so unbelievably good. Some of the best examples I can think of for visual storytelling and basically unmatched when it comes to showcasing historical fencing/combat. I wish they put out more, but its obvious they put a ton of work into them and that level of quality takes time to get right.
I only discovered these guys last week. Already they beat out high production fight scenes from Hollywood in every way, and I dont just mean the technique. They actually know how to film a fight as well! No rapid camera cuts, no constant reaction shots, no unnecessary close ups. These guys NEED to be given enough money to make a full length movie!!!
I AM SO GLAD you did this!!
Adorea is amazing :D
I feel like when shows and movies are being outlined there is often just “and then there is a fight it will fill this 2 minute slot of time” and it doesn’t feel like the fight is trying to tell a story.
Been watching “Warrior” and that show does such a great job with its hand to hand fighting. Scenes are entertaining both from a the incredible stunts and skills on display but also most of the fights tell a little story or have interesting stakes.
Czechs man, proud of history and crazy for weapons. You can tell. And as one, I'm glad you like our stuff. Adorea are one of the coolest.
Glad you found their channel. You might also like their other content like the longsword duel, highly recommend that
I watched the video before finishing this one, and it was so good! It's so tense and dramatic without being goofy or over the top. These sorts of well choreographed duels feel so dangerous and intimate, and you don't get that same level of quality from hollywood
Good to see you cover them!
I had never seen this scene or heard of this cinematography/choreography team and will absolutely be binging them because that was beautiful!
A very good explanation of a fantastic fight scene. Always love the expert commentary on historical recreations like this.
Skal thanks for sharing this! It's amazing!!!!
Love these guys, every routine they post on their youtube is just amazing.
Before your review video I've watched the original (thanks and respect for putting the link in the description), and daaaaamn it's amazing! I'm just about to start to work with messer, so now I'm even more hyped! :D Thanks for your added content! Your stuff is greatly appreciated!
Thank you for pointing it out and clarifying interesting points - I will look it again whit this new knowledge!
Fantastic. Thankyou for sharing. Just watched full video. Exceptional piece.
I've been using a lot of your videos to help me with my table top game that I've been making. There is a bit of focus on melee combat and these videos have given me so many ideas that have helped me progress my weapon tree and skills. Keep on doing what you do the content is great.
Thank you for bring this to our attention. I am going to check this video out.
I love this kind of video! Thank you for the concise breakdown! And now I have a new channel to go follow, so thank you for that too!
This came up in my recommended a few days ago! Glad you're watching it, I loved it.
Great analysis as always! I had seen the Laurus Nobilis fight before and loved its subtlety and realism.
Good job Skall-So glad tou posted this! Love these guys and this is an incredible piece of work they put together. Love the petulent nephew character👍
Adorea's stuff is fantastic. I've been watching them for years, and I always look forward to their new content. Glad you're highlighting them on your channel.
I’ve seen so many of their videos and it’s incredible. They make them realistic but also great to watch, I cannot recommend them enough. Amazing work
Thank you for showing this up. I've already seen this video three weeks ago, and my first thoughts were: Wow, this is one of the best fight scenes I've ever, ever seen; and so much story telling going on if someone looks carefully without further explanations 🤩🤩🤩
That is absolutely top tier, you pushed that video so much in the recommendation that I saw it before I came to watch yours. Big kudos to their team of course, they're fantastic of course, but congrats to you as well for not spoiling everything, and giving them all the credit they deserves. I wish giant productions would keep a decent budget for fight realism.
Thanks for telling us about this video it was cool and your commentary was great
This was awesome, kept me on the edge of my seat and made me want to learn messer combat!
Recognized a lot of the movement and technique. Wow. :) Thanks for sharing!
Thank you for introducing me to such a fantastic video and channel. I'm going to watch the vid first then come back to watch this.
Fantastic video, as always. I've already watched this excellent short film, but am now about to watch it again, thanks to your commentary. Be well.
Excellent! Both the underlying vid and your commentary on it. Definitely a lot cooler than almost everything you see coming out of Hollywood.
Thanks for sharing this. I had not seen anything on it yet! Looks like a good addition to the go to historical fights in the Duelists. For that matter, William Hobb's work as fightmaster ;)
Just watched it. Excellent work on that short film. Satisfying conclusion.
I wait with slow deep breaths for more of this.
Cool video, thanks for analyzing this amazing fight scene )
Really appreciating this analysis. There was so much subtly going on in the video that even as a fan of this kind of stuff I couldn't pick it all out.
Thanks for highlighting this gem. I have been obsessing about messers since last Christmas. I stumbled on this fight online and it is very enjoyable. 😊
These guys are great in general, glad their videos are making the rounds
When I saw the first seconds, I wondered if it was this stunt swordfighting team again . And it was!
Ive been watching those guys for years, they are great
I've watched all their 16th-century videos--this one included. They're all masterpieces!
With this one, it actually felt like it was a sequel to an earlier sword-fight, where the fellow playing the grey man's second was himself cast in a role as one of the combatants in a duel--this time, with two-handed swords.
Thank you for posting this. This sword fight is nothing short of amazing. I subscribed to their channel and will watch more of their content.
As I continue to watch yours sirl 😎👍
This fight team is really, really good. Their channel is well worth subscribing to, just to see whatever other short films they make in the future. I especially appreciated they were using messers, one of my favorite sword types (to include falchions, and related blades). But besides the fight choreography, they are also really good storytellers, and they have high production values in every other respect. This latest film from them takes it to a new level.
It was actually one of their earlier short films, made some time ago, that inspired me as a writer to really take swordfighting seriously. It's the reason why I spend so much time researching swords and the historical fighting system manuals. I don't own a single sword, and I have never done HEMA, but I am so grateful to those who do take it seriously, who have trained, and take the time to educate other people on it online. I want to pay HEMA lovers back by writing sword fights in my stories that actually make sense, that they can get special enjoyment out of as a knowledgeable person. I want the specific swords my characters use to be appropriate, and fought with in a believable manner. I don't expect anything I write to ever be adapted to film or television, but if it is, they won't have any excuses for not getting it right because of the level of detail I put into the text, and I can hand over my worldbuilding notes that go into specific details about the exact weapons and fighting styles my characters use. I literally have a document on every character with a depiction of their weapon, and detailed information on their fighting style with references to specific manuals that I'm basing their fighting style off of, just so that I don't ever forget it while writing a fight scene. And it's useful as a writer to have created limits for myself. My characters can't just do anything... they do have specific skills and weaknesses, their weapons have specific advantages and disadvantages, and therefore my characters have problems they need to solve. That provides conflict, tension, and forces a creative resolution. That makes for better storytelling.
That you soooooooo much, I've watched it an all I have to say is gorgeous. Fast cuts awesome dodges, even if it's sometimes so fast you can not see what exactly happened (often in grappling) it's still smooth and pleasing to watch
I was waiting for this since I saw the original video. Great analysis.
Caught this about 5-6 months ago and was amazed. Thanks Skallagrim for the awesome breakdown and review. I hope this drives views to both channels.
this is SO good! thank you kindly for bringing this to our attention.
I’ve never heard of their channel before but I’ll definitely have to check them out ! Great analysis Skal!
You're looking great dude! Serious face-gains already. I'm really happy to see you having success, and it's great to see your energy change as you come out of the funk
Woah I've been binge watching their videos after watching this, they got so many good fights I love it
I really like this kind of video, your comments are pure gold, very useful and strategical, I love it!!😅❤
Also, forgot to mention, the music is very nice!
Seen several Adorea scenes, each and every one were amazing!
Danke für die Video-Analyse und den guten Tip.
Been watching these folks for a while now, they do the absolute best realistic sword fights on youtube!
Hey Skal, I'm glad to see you're feeling a little better.
I just want to say thank you for all your hard work and effort.
I have always been enthusiastic about your videos on historical techniques as well as your training videos.
Analyzes of fight scenes in series or films are always very interesting, too.
Unfortunately, your videos of the "fights" are almost always more entertaining than they are in the respective films. I hate to remember "Highlander: The Source"...
But this time I like the short film better. It's just how I always imagined a historical duel to be.
Short, but not immediately deadly, without excessive and exaggerated techniques, believable and it shows a real fight is not perfect.
The fact that the film tells a story without much dialogue only makes it better. I'm absolutely thrilled!
I watched this a while back, and it's super enjoyable. Think I'll go watch it again.
I saw this video a while ago, and then I knew they were legit, Been subscribed ever since 😂. I'm glad you found this and shared it with everyone.
I just found them recently too. Definitely would like to see this in movies. I enjoyed your breakdown too as I have enough training to understand what you’re saying but am not versed or formally trained.
Thanks for the recommendation, Skal! I'll check it out right now!
I really loved the implied story behind everything. I could feel the resignation the training man in the beginning when the duel was to begin. I loved the impatience of the opponent, and incorporating the scenery into the fight. So amazing.... and I didn't have to hear any words to know what was going on!
Have you ever shared your thoughts on WHY Hollywood does not utilize historically accurate fight techniques? Or at the very least, techniques that would be considered effective? In other words is this a conscious choice on their part for cinematic effect, or is it a limitation due to lack of awareness? We know that budgets are not usually a concern, and actors are capable of training to gain the skills necessary to be convincing.
Stage combat has been doing unrealistic fighting for literal centuries. There's old manuscripts and books from both choreographers and directors explaining why they chose the more fantastical route in certain plays. A lot of stuntmen have backgrounds in martial arts, but will opt for more realistic or fancy fighting if it fits the writing/directing better.
It's simple. They think they know better than the people who actually do things. They have more ego than brain. They have substituted education for intelligence. They think they can improve on history because they're the smartest person alive. They simply are better than God. Just ask them. They'll tell you
I think I've never commented on one of your videos before, or I made it a long time ago. I really appreciate your content, and I must point out you are a really nicer cutter - in other words, you are really skillful at cutting thing with blades.
When you are reviewing a weapon you have/received, a game, movie, etc, you manage to let clear what is your opinion about, what are your preferences and what is more like an objective avaliation. Therefore, you are quite a nice "unbiased" analyst.
Adorea Olomouc is amazing, their work is fantastic. You can see how much effort they put into their videos.
Watched a few of their videos. They are most definitely entertaining. They own the rule of cool
oooo ive been waiting for you to find this video ... my favorite from the channel!
This short film and the team that makes it are incredible. Anyone who states that historically accurate fights are bad hasn't seen its ilk.
Yeah, this is pretty cool. In fact, you've inspired me to create a playlist of cool AND realistic sword fights, both for my own reference & for whenever someone uses the "realism is boring" argument.
this is brilliant and a testament to the skill of the swordsmen. I really believe we have barely even grasped the true skill that historical swordsmen would have had. Especially those with multiple duel or battle experience. Based on the brutality and fatality of the ultimatum of this type of combat, we can only imagine the lengths a professional would take to ensure they have the skills necessary to not only survive an engagement, but effectively cut down their opponents with minimal injury to themselves. Add armour etc to this equation, and we have a depth of outcomes. Something I think is very very difficult to replicate on screen but these guys to a brilliant job of giving us a glimpse of this “dance” that is swordsmanship combat.
Thanks for the tip. Totally awesome short movie 👍
After your review of their knight saving video I've been watching them. Solid content
Huh. Thank you for that recommendation! This is really nifty!
Great content as always!
thank you for sharing! great breakdown, imma watch the origional now!
Definitely check out their "Swords not Words" video! It's this beautifully surreal set of duel vignettes that really showcases some more varied styles.
Skall, might I suggest more of such 'this is awesome and I want you to see it' content? This was great.
Hell yea!!! 1 of thr best channels!
This was very interesting. Thanks for the tip! Here’s an idea for a video: Top Ten Fight Scenes to Inspire Your RPG Combat (and why they’re great).