Cessna 172 Learning to Land in the Center of the Runway
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- čas přidán 25. 08. 2024
- TWO CAMERAS + COCKPIT AUDIO. I have completed my solo and am now getting ready for the solo phase check. Today I am focusing on landing "on the center line" further down the runway. I have a tendency to land too far to the left (and I have to go around twice in this video because of that). Here are eight landings at KPAO in a Cessna 172SP G1000. I have two GoPros (one in the cockpit and one under the tail for a great view of the runway) including cockpit audio. I am flying under the (very) patient guidance of my CFI Mark Erwin (www.mark1aviation.com).
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I once asked a seasoned commercial airline pilot "How to you guys set it RIGHT on the centerline every time?"
He said "Dont fly the plane onto the centerline, fly your ASS onto the centerline. When you touch down that 4ft is easy to correct with the rudder once the main gear is down."
That premise has never failed me.
+VroodenTheGreat I remember this every time I land now! Thanks for watching.
What does that mean though?
lol, my instructor told me this: you need to see that the center line goes through the middle of your balls, only then will you land in the centerline
Thanks for taking the time to post, especially because this is my home airport! Getting re-certified after a 30 hiatus... good to just watch the pattern, ATC, and the landings. Very helpful.
Good luck. I hope my videos are helpful. Thanks for watching.
Currently working on my approach at 5.3 hours in the logbook and I'm seeing many of these same characteristics. Funny how they're a constant for seemingly all students!
This is the hardest thing to overcome. It just takes time. This was very early in my training. My CFI attributes it to change of perspective and perception from our years of driving cars. Thanks for watching and don't be discouraged.
Norcal Flyer funny how just switching from left seat to right seat changes the perspective too. Makes a huge difference.
I just watched this again, and you're doing what I used to do... trying to point the nose onto the numbers and constantly re correcting for crosswind repeatedly. You need to crab all the way to the float, all the way to the numbers... THEN you use the rudder to GENTLY align the plane onto the centerline and turn into the wind GENTLY, putting the upwind wheel downward
you just look and the end of the runway, steer with the rudder, and maintain your into the wind attitude and pull back, GENTLY...
Always remember... landing is your SECOND option. Even if you're ON the ground. you can still romp on it and pull... gently.
Fly safe...
Vroo
You are absolutely correct. This video is from two years ago. Thanks for watching.
What did you mean bye "You need to crab all the way to the float"
Float is the point at which the plane is right above the runway just about to lose aerodynamic lift (stall) and settle to the ground.
Hi...Thanks for a great video. I'm not a pilot, nor training to be one. But I have been playing on a flight simulator on my PC. I found that this video will help me immensely on my final approach. I'm ok at landing but not correct enough. I feel that I'm not in total control with regard to degree of decent/speed. Having watched this video I will have a greater understanding of what is needed to have better control. Thanks again.
"information indigo" lmao that was hilarious.
Daryl Dawkins 😆he got the first few letters correct
Haha I've heard "unicorn" once lol
Just departed the airport too lol.
Continue actually means to continue your normal pattern, turning base at normal times. Extend downwind is what the controller should say if thats what he needs. The reason for continue is simply because he doesnt want to give you your landing clearance yet, usually because of a departure. The confusion here of course is the fact that the controller previously told you he would call your base, so your confusion is understandable. He shouldnt have said I'll call your base followed by continue, but he is in training.
Great explanation. Thanks for watching.
my pleasure
Thank you for this video. The documentation and instruction has really helped me. I'm gonna take it to the ground in a sweet way now. Good job!
What a busy airport. Will help me get desensitized. Nice vid.
Thanks for posting the video. Reminds me of what I went through preparing for my solo phase check.
I like the tower...He is rlly good
Amazing video. Cameras well positioned. Good as training and improvement of technique by nacele's vision. Also, a fine example of instruction. Thanks for sharing.
Nice video. Thank you for sharing. By the way how do you get the radio audio on a gopro?
Thank You for the great videos!
I stored my 150 at a dirt strip 50 ft across, It was great experience basically Nordo, I don't have a problem with 200ft wide but I was poor at the radio work. No longer fly because of medical geesh Don apparently is twice as healthy as me.
Awesome flying! Loved the video!!
Leslie Thibodaux Thanks for watching and for taking the time to comment.
Great Video -thanks! Great Instructor too!
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Nice vid, best of luck in your training.
They say, if you can fly in busy airspace you can fly anywhere.
Completely agree! I fly in busy class D (KDVT) under a Bravo shelf. Yes it was stressful learning to talk to ATC but the extra effort was totally worth it.
RobertKaydoo Thanks for watching!
I'm learning to fly in pretty much exactly those conditions! It's a tad stressful but I'm definitely glad I'll have that experience.
PULL Back on that flat to reduce all those flat landings. Youll get there.
A Person Thanks for watching and for the advice (this video was from 2014 so I have long since fixed the landings).
I bet your a pro now! Flat is better than nose 1st. Happy flying.
Your instructor is so calm, but still very informative. Mine gets the job done, but tends to be silent until I start making a mistake then constantly tells me to correct. :/
Best instructor in the San Francisco Bay Area. I finally got my private pilot in Nov 2015.
Can i ask you, how much it cost you ? Thanks
+Th3DEAD Probably close to $20k.
@13:41 did I hear left/right rudder?
Nice! How much rudder are you using during your final approach? I find that at Palo Alto and San Carlos you have to use a lot of it.
+Britt Thanks for watching. Rudder is entirely depending on wind conditions.
hey what kind of sunglasses are those? and where do you have interior gopro positioned? do you record audio with go pro or separate recorder?
Flying Eyes sunglasses. The GoPro is mounted on a vertical mount (floor to ceiling) between the two seats. Cockpit audio is recorded to the GoPro. Too much difficulty to sync a separate recorder.
Holy radio traffic👏🏻
Thanks for watching. Take a look this 18 minute video of non-stop radio just after I departed KSAC enroute to KPAO. czcams.com/video/KtCQD0cEAJY/video.html
Norcal Flyer I subscribed 👏🏻
Thanks!
KSAC! I just did my second solo there today. VERY busy traffic. After four landings I called it. No way I was going back into that hornets’ nest. Not always like that though.
Excellent video. How'd you mount the go pro? I'd like a similar mount
In cockpit - I use this mount from Sportys. www.sportys.com/PilotShop/product/17530 It is made to go horizontal in an early model 172 with outboard seat belts. For newer 172 you need to mount this vertically. You will also need an adapter for the go pro because this mount has a traditional screw type attachment. I connect the camera to comms using a Nflight cable. Under the tail, I modified the go pro bicycle bar mount by filling in the bracket with a material called Sugru (a self-setting rubber). Then I attach my modified bracket to the tail skid. Hope that helps.
Power crab into the wind
Great flying,I strongly agree that you would've done better if 2hands were on the Yokes
And here's a tip
The magnetic compass in the middle of the planes dashboard
Try using that to centerline
Look like it could be a useful thing
Bun nevertheless great flying bro,and I hope one day you'll fly with the Boeings and The airbus at 320(32,000) feet
Never fly with two hands on the yoke. Right hand is always on the throttle (for take off and landing). As for the magnetic compass and center line, that will all depend on your seat (how high or low and how far back you sit). Based on where I sit I know approximately where I need the plane to be.
"Clear for the option" ...what does that mean?
CLEARED FOR THE OPTION- ATC authorization for an aircraft to make a touch-and-go, low approach, missed approach, stop and go, or full stop landing at the discretion of the pilot.
@@Norcal_Flyer Thanks!'
My name is Steve and Im in the process of getting my private pilots license - How are you able to record the traffic on the radio ??
I am now using "Aviation Headset Audio Recording Adapter Cable - Dual Plug [+$0] / Hero3 [+$10]" purchased from www.thesquawkshoppe.com. I had previously used the Nflightcam "GoPro Hero3 and Hero3+ Audio Cable" but the USB connectors break very easily (I went through three of them before another viewer told me about the cable from Squawk Shoppe which is much better made. The cable plugs into the aircraft and into the GoPro.
The instructor should’ve grabbed the controls and applied full power himself if he felt the landing was going to end badly, instead of just saying “full power” over and over again. The aircraft got way to close to the edge of the runway and barely missed one of the lights(or sign). This is just what my instructor did the few times I had a bad landing, I am now a solo student.
Pearson Spotting HD Thanks for your comment (and for watching). I am now a licensed pilot. My instructor NEVER grabbed the controls from me during my training. A good instructor will talk the student through and, of course, take the controls in a dangerous situation. Despite what you see from the exterior camera, we weren’t close to the taxiway sign. Good luck with your training.
Indigo?!?
I remember hearing that! Thanks for watching.
@@Norcal_Flyer Thanks for the video! I want to continue flying but am having trouble overcoming one of the forces of flight that keep the plane in the air. MONEY! ;)
I have a question why are you not climbing out on Vy?
+Nomi Sajid I should (normally) be climbing at Vy. I can't see on this video what my airspeed is (and it is from May 2014 so I don't recall). Vy on the 172 is 74 kts. What speed do you think I am climbing out at?
+Norcal Flyer based on what I see it looks like at about 84-86. I'm just curious to why your instructor is not telling you to climb out at 74. Nice videos BTW and did u complete your ppl training??
+Nomi Sajid Definitely not 84-86. More likely 74-76. Yes, completed my PPL last year. How about you?
+Norcal Flyer ah ok yeah it looks like that from what I see. That's great!! Do you plan on doing your instrument rating soon? I'm doing my commercial now.
+Nomi Sajid I am accumulating my cross country hours and starting instrument training.
I do not understand, why it is so important to land exactly in the center of the runway.. Ok, at little airfields it exist very thinn runways but then for me it's no problem to aim at the runway, but when I have a 200 feet wide runway at a big international airport, why do I need to land exactly in the center of it? The Runway is wide enough. In my opinion concentrating to to this is just wasting time and thoughts, which would have a more rise applucation if they are used for safety, when landing.
+Pascal Conrad It's all about accuracy and being where you are supposed to be. The problem is more acute on narrow run ways. Same reason why you drive in the center of the lane and not over the line.
+Pascal Conrad it is for safety, for example if you land in the left of the runway an you have crosswind coming form your right and dont aplly rudder, youll end up in the grass, if you land in the center youll have more time for correction, im working on it 2 i have this left side tendency...
It shouldn't be that difficult to land on the centerline. Control the airplane.
mustangszz Absolutely. But student pilots tend to lock into position instead of making constant adjustments. When I was a student that's what happened. Not an issue anymore.
You never looked to the left.
This was very early in my training. I am sure I didn't do everything properly. Thanks for watching.
What do you use to edit your videos?
Tin O. I use iMovie. Not the greatest but I was spending my time flying (and studying) not making videos.
I asked cuz I'm gonna solo soon. I like how you have another clip on the top right which I will try and do. Nice to know that iMovie can do it cuz I have a mac. (: thanks for the reply.
Tin O. iMovie can support picture-in-picture. My flying club no longer permits us to attach cameras to the aircraft so I can't get that camera angle anymore (unless I get my own plane). Too bad because it was very helpful to me when mastering landings.
that sucks.... it is a nice angle. So its called picture in picture on iMovie? I've only used iMovie once.
Tin O. Yes.
I don't think I've ever had Information India [13:17]
Information Indigo!
[I only have ~41 hrs]
I remember having Juliette, and Kilo ... +Papa, would like to take him up during that hour.
43:58 "No delay the ..." what?
Tower said "No delay to parallel". This video was from early on in my training and I was rolling down to the end of the runway. KPAO is pretty busy so he wanted me off the runway without delay. Thanks for watching.
Oof. Creepy. Double Oof.
8:18, “Cherokee 4352Golf, cleared for takeoff.” “52Golf cleared for takeoff.”
Me, “Wait a minute. I know that tail number. I know that voice!” (Double checks last night’s video) No, it was a Sirus, and the tail number was 4(2)52Golf.
How random, I thought I heard as background to this video a girl who would be dead in a few years.
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Wow. I just watched the video that you linked above. Very important to be assertive with ATC and Tower. Thanks for watching my video.
37:20
Pilot, you should look to your left once in a while instead of being fixed on looking towards the airport on your right front.
I'm just sayin.
In a right hand pattern he's not going to gain much (if any) useful information by looking left. He did good keeping his scan where the traffic and landing point were.
Llol