Bmw M57 M57N Vortex Breather Removal New Style/Crankcase Breather Valve Are You Using The Old Type ?
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- čas přidán 9. 08. 2019
- in this video we change out the common common failure point for smoke issues on the 530D 535D engine this little breather system that Bmw decided to change later on in the years is designed to feed the turbos with oil and get the excess oil out of the crankcase and deposit it back too the manifold to go back to the sump itself we change this out and I also show you the new style breather which bmw advise you change to to save your turbos and let your engine breathe better and run much smoother
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Great video.
I have a 320d e90 M47S engine. Uses oil only if driven hard. Burns black smoke.
Turbo was checked; it's good. No software.
Simply, ABSOLUTE AWESOME 👌. Thank you for sharing.
I'm thankful this video exist if wasn't you I wouldn't never change my vortex breather not to mention when I removed the old one someone took out the filter from the vortex ....unbelievable I drive my car like that for almost 2 years I think that's why my car was rough,running tanks again.
Let's play doto?
Good day, I have recently taken over a 2002 X5 E53 M57 3.0D (right hand drive) from the in-laws after losing my job. The X5 has been standing for a while and to be honest I don't think it was well maintained. When we took it, there was little sign of smoke coming from the car but after the first 600km the smoke started pouring our from the back. I had a general service done and replaced some of the pipes that have started to perish due to the car standing in harsh sun hoping it was a leaky pipe or something similar. I have found employment again but this is the only mode of transport we have for a while so we need to make sure to take care of it.
I am now looking to change the PCV but the locals (including 3 BMW dealerships) all tell me there is no different part for the 2002 models than the loo roll that is currently in there. It is completely clogged. Do you perhaps have a part number for me or a link where I can purchase the new complete unit and the housing? I will have to bring it into the country and want to make double sure I get the right part
Thank you for a great video as well :-)
Wow good job sir.my 330cd now is black smoke at overtaking.156k miles now.I will do this when sunny days in wales 🏴.thanks
I have changed this twice myself and once at the garage. The first time was because of heavy smoke and BMW explained I need to change it. I have a 2003 X5 E53 and one I have changed is the old one you mention and have cast. I have just changed yesterday but I have never had this explained to me. So looks like I will have to do it again.😢 Since getting that smoke 5 years back. Now I am really paranoid with this filter. Thanks for that explaination!!! BMW did not tell me.
Im new to your channel but its the very informative and Im looking to purchase a 530D next week, your channel is a Godsend. :-)
thanks very much mate
If it has gone will oil leak from it an Down the side of the engine
Great video mate 👍
Just changed this on mine it had the new style already in it but changed anyway along with a new air filter great video
Was yours just a empty case chris?
Hi. Great video. Thanks so much.
I am wandering if the 2011 335d with M57Y engine needs that replaced or bmw already switched to the new style for that year.
Thanks so much.
Awesome video and channel! Just a question regarding the breather, my 530d -09 LCi has the new, open breather, no vortex or filter in it. What would you reccomend changing it to? The car has 230k km on the meter. Cheers!
Hey BMW DOCTOR , great video very helpfull , will check my breather tomorrow to see if its old style as i had old style one on e46, now lets say loo roll is clogged and bad , would this cause any engine power loss ??? Thanks
Hi mate love the videos I just need to ask would this be in the same location on a 2003 range rover L322 with the m57 and is the part still the same ??
Any chance you can provide the part number for the new type breather? It looks like an easy job to DIY and very beneficial for the engine, I am definitely going to do this!
Great video thanks. How do you keep the o-ring on? Mine keeps pinging off!
Can you link to the parts you purchased? Both the updated unit and for the new PVC internal? Thank you!!
Bro u r the man
Dean, what if it is left empty? What would happen? Some e60 lci 530d came out from factory without it? Thx
Hi Doc! Can the revised breathers fail to? I have a bi-turbo M57 286 hp. It’s a 2007 E83. Blue smoke 💨 with strong smell kills me.
I've recenlty changed mine it was already the new type , but I wanted serviced non the less , I bought a Swag ccv vortex type . It was right around when the weather was starting to get cold. After I changed it my car started to smoke white smoke when cold and rpm hunting after the temp needle gets out of the blue it all goes away . Its m47 2003 320d is it possible that the new ccv is defective , the car does not seem to burn oil .
Hello, is this revised version available for e39 520d m47? I always change it when I change the oil along with all other filters but I want to fit in the revised version...
Nice one. Bit fast N furious 🙂
When breather gets clogged, oil return from turbo to sump is sort of blocked, results in turbo fail in long run...right? Does this happen with vortex breather?
Hi Pal I have a 1.5 diesel, I found oil flowing through air intake hose in to my turbo , is that normal ? if yes why and if no then what can be the reason ? please advise as you said in the video that turbo needs oil flow
Guys should the “vortex” filter snap into place in the housing ? I managed to do mine yesterday and it didn’t snap in but it the housing screwed in flush after I pushed it down.
I dont know if you are still answering questions but I have old style breather filter and I have this thing that a lot of oil is going through intake, sometimes car struggles to go then squishes a lot of oil through that tube that comes out of air filter housing(below it) and it goes smooth for a while again. I thought my turbo was bad, but I removed it and took it to the shop and they said turbo is in a good condition.
I just went online to search for the new breather and to my surprise they are sold as a whole set or you can buy the Vortex breather part separately.
So my question is can you just take the filter part away and replace it with the new Vortex breather part and will it fit with the old plastic cover?
I do understand that plastic goes bad anyway and also the red rubber sealing which as ju said can rupture and cause a lot of damage. So I understand that it's best to the change the whole set every time just to be sure.
Will the new-style CCV fit my E39 530D M57? All records show that it is made for the M57N
do x5 e70 need to upgrade their vortex breather also? they have same engine m57 also
Hi mate iv got a 6 series bmw 07 plate my he’d light as stop working hi -low beam it’s dead I’m thinking the ballast has failed any ideas
Hi, Another video of yours concerning the M 57 engine you talk about the CCV system that needs to be changed to the plastic one, I have a BMW X5 M57, Question is: is this the CCV you talk in another video or is this something else that needs to be done as well? Is the CCV system only plastic hoses that needs to be changed ?
one question i hace a 2007 e60 525 lci in my car is nothing inside do i have put this vortex inside or i dont need it?
I'm using 3.0d 12 years, in m57, first filter was much better in sepparating oil from gas, but one minus, freezing.
Hi mate I’ve got a 530d 2005 218bhp, my car smokes on idle even when it’s warm, also black smokes high in the Rev range when accelerating quite bad, I’ve had the following below changed
New thermostats
BOSCH MAF
turbo boost seal
DPF delete
Decat
Remap
Swirlflap blank
When mapping was showing injector 2 was lower percentage than the others, do you think this could be the issue with the injector?
Thanks mate 👍🏼👍🏼
Thanks so much for this video. Going to do this on my e39, can't believe my specialist garage haven't replaced it but it seems they haven't. I have a bit of smoke and smell. Smell most obviously noticeable at idle when sat on the drive. If this is the culprit will replacing it mean problem solved or is it likely something else (turbo?) has been wrecked in the process? Car is not down on power as far as I can tell but it hasn't been used often for a long time so maybe I've forgotten how quick it was! I would not say the smoke is particularly noticeable visually, mainly the smell! Thanks again.
Can I ask you something? I’ve had a timing chain snap on my 07 plate E70 m57 3.0d. Would a E53 m57 engine fit in the car. Thanks for yr time
WOULD THIS CAUSE SMOKE IN THE CABIN? I AM ALSO SEEING SMOKE COMING PAST THE OIL REFIL CAP SEALS
I have the new type on an lci 535d e60. Problem is there is a lot of oil inside the intercooler and from what i read is because the new type doesnt filter the oil and sends it inside the air pipes. How do I fix the problem? Its driving me crazy already
Hello dean could this be the course of my turbo whistle or could it be due to having a blocked dpf?
I know this is 3 years ago. But I ordered the kit and my crank case breather on my e60 530d says Viaco on the top. Is this the modified vortex breather as it says Viaco on it and not the toilet roll version? Thank you
just replaced it on my 330d, i have a question though, when i removed the old one, it didnt have any filter in it? just the housing. I have no idea for how long was it like that or why, but could it have caused damage?
Would an 09 plate 325d E93 need this doing? Great channel this btw.
Did you fit an aftermarket vortex? or was it an original bmw one?, I phoned bmw up and they told me that they only sell the housing with no filter.
Would this part be the same for my e90 320d 2006?
So essentially this is a Oil Catch Can ? Part Numbers would be greatly appreciated
Hi mine doesn’t have either of what you used in the video mine is completely empty is this okay?
I have the bmw x3 2.0d is the vortex the same as the 3.0d bmw x3 as can't find this for my 2006 model.
Does the new vortex breather need to be oem? Or will more or less any new style do?
If this is a bad part, would it cause oil through exhaust as though turbo has failed and throw oil onto tailgate?
I don't have anything wrong with my BMW X3 m57 but good idea as a preventative maintenance good video
Hi mate got a oil level sensor fault
Changed part also wiring to plug new plug too
Got smoke coming out of oil filler
After loads of research
Iam pointing to the breather
Whats your thoughts
Also please provide part number
2008 lci 535
Please help
Is it possible to have a fault on the system that restricts oil to the turbo even if there's no filter?
Hmm strange here in Germany almost everyone downgrades to the Vortex Filter. It is much more capable of filtering the oil than the zyklon (you just upgraded to). Even BMW suggest in Rheingold to downgrade. The only downside withthe vortex is, that you have to change it regularly (every 30.000 km - max. 50.000 km).
Masz absolutną racje, lepiej zamontować starszą wersję.
Thank you for this info . I had vortex filter on e46 and had no problem. I will go for a new filter cartritge on my e90 M57 now.
Can you share filter part bukber
Is this something i should do before any problems? The car is e91 330d
Hi i have been change Crankcase Breather Valve but oil still come from Breather Valve, do you know have any problem?
Would this fit my 335d e92 ? do you have link for good quality verson
The small o ring how are you suppose to put it in
Your videos have helped me to track down so many issues with my car, cant thank you enough!
Whats the estimated change intervals for these filters? Nothing in the manual about it. Or is the smoking the indication to start investigating?
I would change it out every 10k but to be honest once you change over to this one it can go along time as it doesn't get clogged like the old style
How much is the new style vortex breather and is there a link for it?
very good again, but on my 35d 2006, this separator looks different altogether from the top...
Is this the same as the CCV (crankcase ventilation)?
After watching your vid, I've just ordered the same one. This new type should last longer compare to the old loo roll type. Good video, A*.
No problem mate
@@BMWDoctor hi does the small rubber gasket go on the inner circle or the outer circle,
Cheers mate
Where’s the link?
Well on used engine old roll type is better
Can can someone tell me please, if this part fits on bmw e39 520d engine???
I've opened this up to find nothing inside, old style, no loo roll, and completely dry, not sure if this is good or bad?
I don’t see anything like that in my engine bay of my 2006 e92 335d, do I have one?
So is this connected with increases oil consumption?
hi can you tell me what size is the Allen tool thank you
Cheers for the video mate is this the same for the 525 3.0 litre black dipstick engine? Good content keep up the good work 😎
hey do you have an oem number for this part?
Thanks man 👍🏻👍🏻
your welcome
Hi guys
My m47 started smoking blue on cold start after I had the breather replaced (still the old version tho)
Any ideas?
Is this the same thing for a E92 M57 335D - “Crankcase Breather Valve BMW 335D 535D E90 E91 E92 OE 11127809512 Febi 100133 “
I have a lot of smoke, turbos replaced 4 years ago.
Can this cause bad mpg as well?
Will this vortex type fit the M57N2 if not can you give me the part number Cheer Doc
Hi my freand my Englisch is very bad? J have a problem with my e61 touring 2004 3.0 diesel
J lose öl in 600km 500 l öl? Is not normaly ....
Its maybe the crankase brather?
Or maybe the turbo?
Where do you buy your parts from?
Cheers 👍
Hi mate, brilliant video, love it m your content. I blew my turbo a month and and have installed a new one now. I used to get a lot of smoke and changed the vortex breather. I still get a lot of white smoke, when I take the oil filler cap off or dipstick out, the white smoke is pretty strong. Do you have any suggestions, do you think there could be a blockage deeper in the system, or my worst theory of a warn piston ring. But not sure if that cause instant white smoke straight out the engine?
Look forward to hearing your thoughts and suggestion.
Thanks mate
hi there. I have the same problem. I replace the ccv tiwce but oil still gets through. As a workaround I have disconnected the pipe that goes to intercooler(right before the turbo) to prevent oil getting into air system. I collect the oil in 'oil catch can' but is very annoying.Theres a lot of oil dropping out to the streets. Im driving with 3L oil in the trunk...I suspect broken valve gasket or vaccum leak ...still researching for a solution
Great video mate thanks.
I have a problem with my 320d M47 1999 E46, after I changed fuel filter bosch brand and it started to smoke too much and no power after 2000 rpm. I have been to a professional bosch car service and said to me a vp44 pump problem. Low pressure.
, 😁 but for two days she runs well but it can't go faster than 130 km/h. Little bit smoke comes from exhaust manifold.
Boss, Any suggestions?
My ccv also is same and old and never changed. I checked.
What’s the part number please for the newer type?
Does it causes same effect on bmw e90 320d 163hp
Great video... Would this be the same for a 2008 320d (177bhp) it's smokey on start up a big Big puff of white smoke.. Also I have to reset clock all the time. Any help or info would be greatly appreciated 👍
Jay
Any luck with that?
Thinking of changing too.
Any real benefits of the new type? I just change the looroll filter every other oil change. Costs 8 bucks with gaskets included.
If you don´t change it it pressurizes the head/crank and smokes from underneath the oil cap.
Part number for that filter?
When i replaced mine on my E90 330d there was no loo roll type filter nor a vortex filter. Is this normal for the filters to be removed? The new one I bought for it was a good quality Febi Bilstein OEM one without a vortex filter, so I was wondering why there was no vortex filter with it if the vortex is an updated version.
m57 with loo roll. m57n with vortex and m57n2( like yours) comes from factory without separator
Do I need to replace this on a 2011 335D? I've been reading that the LCI 335D is just an empty housing with no vortex or loo roll. Do you know if it would have the rubber diaphragm? It seems that my CCV may be slightly clogged or is not catching all of the oil as I get a small bit of oil on the intake side of my tubo. I did add a catch can recently but I think there is still oil accumulating in my charge pipe and slowly dripping out from there. The turbo doesn't seem to have too much shaft play. I cannot find CCV part numbers (for the filter/vortex or the housing and seals) for my vehicle. I would at least like to replace the cover as the bit above the diaphragm has cracked tabs and I'm worried that isn't sealed properly. Might also replace the piping that runs to the turbo intake if I can find a part number too. Thanks in advance!
Looks like this is the part for the 335D? 11127809512
they changed it over after a short while mate the ccv diagram is built inside the vent duct
Hi, does this vortex breather also need to get replaced from time to time? My 2009 E60 530d LCI 6speed manual already has it, but with 105.000miles.
Should I get a new one? I meant it's only 25euros.
Yes, that would interest me also
Hola mi bmw e60 m57 306 si quito la batería no me arranca hasta q venga el del diagnósticos ayuda por favor
Whats the part number of the new Breather?
Hi do you have link where to buy it , thx
Great videos Doc, great content and well explained. I need your advice m8 if you can point me in the right direction. Got e70 m57 and changed vortex filter last year but in the last month or so, on cold I have a whistle like or squeeze noise under acceleration for a short period of time and after disappear until next engine start or not even, sometimes until next cold ish start. Is there a chance to be a faulty diaphragm in the vortex? Will them go faulty on the new vortex model? Thanks
that's is correct mate it will be indeed fault diaphragm
My M57 engine don't have this in the parts diagram. Did they change the valve covers on newer M57s? Like for the E70 X5 35d?
yours is m57n2 from factory without oil separator. but bmw advice to install it if you see increase in oil consumption
where can this be ordered from on line
thanks mate. ordering 👍
no problem mate aint seen you message for some time mate how are you
@@BMWDoctor I'm focused on spending my time with family and just returned to my work daily basis. but overall I'm fine. thanks;)
trying to catch up all your missed videos since early June 😎
p.s. hope ur doing well
Will this fit 535d
Would a clogged vortex cause sluggish low down power? If I’m in 3rd at 20mph and put foot down the car bogs & then when turbo kicks in at 1700rpm it takes off
I have same thing my belief is yes you have a point. Sounds realistic that turbo needs easy breathin under 2000 rpm. I will look into it myself.
The explanation are good, but you need to zoom out a little bit so we can see what you are doing and where.
Super,danke
Is this common fault on a bmw 330d m57 2008
Hi i have a 2004 bmw e46 320d and i have a problem with it .. when its cold it is smoking a white smoke from the silencer 🤔 what do you think ?
Egr cooler
Doc, what would be the effect of dropping an existing sponge filter on my Bmw e60 2.5d 2004 and putting this plastic like you in the video?
Hi, I made this change on mine M57 engine, engine feels so much smoother, especially between 750-2000rpm. Power and torque comes smoothy now. Before change I had a problem with rough idle (rpm drops, engine shaking, vibrating) and power felt like (750-1700rpm) a dead engine and than booom (from 1700rpm) there is huge torque.
My advice - buy genuine BMW part only! It costs around 100Eur, but it is worth it! I bought Febi and Vaico parts, because price was around 45-50Eur, but it worked for a few hundreds km only...
@@petrsima865 I installed a new one, the engine works fine, the cold start is without bluish smoke, but it is strangely proud, it pulls fine up to 3000rpm and then it seems to suffocate, as if its power disappears, until it happened before installation, you have an idea what could it be?
Hi dean I've just changed this breather but my car already had been changed from the loo roll type but without an insert so once I changed it with the new one I got smoke coming out the oil filler cap , could you explain what this means and what I should do please
update??
@@gertryberty586 maybe too late but isn't it supposed to vapour a bit on high temps?
Great video mate! Ive recently just landed a cheap 2006 525d manual with 205,000 miles! what would your advice be to look out for? Ive removed the swirl flaps, egr and dpf and had it mapped and gave it a service. Seems to be running okay for now but is there anything to look out for? Have you had many timing chain failures on the m57? Cheers! Ed
mate timing chains are a common common issue and they do fail mate on these engines but usually only if remapped and there a big big job as there on the back of the engine on these mate
BMW Doctor hey mate! Thanks for the reply! I must say my car is the 525d m57 6 cylinder 177bhp im sure its only the m47 4 cylinder that is at the back isnt it?
Cheers
Ed
I know old comment but do you still have the car? How’s it been?
Sorry what's the part number on this?