juanballe07 Seriously. All he had to do was negotiate with him. Pretty sure Robb wouldn't mind not seceding. All he really wanted was revenge for his father and to get his sisters back. Stannis was so fucking stubborn.
Better yet, if I were Stannis, I would have offered Robb Stark Shireen's hand in marriage. That way, he becomes my heir, and I take the North and Riverlands in one swoop. I would also go to the Vale and incite the Vale lords against the Lannisters by blaming the latter for Jon Arryn's death.
In the book, she drinks first, maester drinks second. But this is where they actually did a great job of adapting the books. You still get the same effect as you do in the book but without having to develop maester cressens character before he died. Making Melisandre drink second emphasised her confidence in her power and her lord. Managed to pull the same effect on the audience as it did with the reader but with less scenes. Good job...shame they lack the vision and writing to continue with the lack of source material
ShanghaiRooster in the book it's more imposing. Cressen offers to share a cup in the name of stannis with melisandra, she accepts, but before they drink she tells him 'it's not too late to spill the cup maester' which is more haunting in a way because she already knew it was poisoned and still drinks.
Robert hated Stannis for being a bigot who doesn't laugh, always bickers and moans about everything he sees ungodly or unjust, like some child who doesn't know how world works. He didn't like Renly because he was just some boy with no backbone, no sense of honor, because he was the sort of man who would conspire behind the back of Stannis and sneak his way to a throne In his deathbed, about Daenerys, Robert finally relents, and says that Eddard was right, and Renly with all the Small Council are worthless, for not standing up to him for what they all know was right.
It was Renly who needed to bargain and beg with Stannis, not the other way around. Same with Robb. Stannis didn't have to negotiate for his rights with them.
Stannis played a large part in losing the war of the five kings because he was too stubborn to compromise with Renly as well as with Robb. Killing Renly and taking over his army actually caused the Tyrells to join the oppositions and instead of aligning with Robb to destroy the Lannister army he chose to attack King's Landing in full force despite knowing of wildfire and it's potential threat. Overall his action caused the downfall of his house as well as House Baratheon.
I've just written a mega reply to this comment on the one written 8 years ago. Alliances with Robb and Renly wouldn't have changed anything, Stannis forces were too small to begin with. In the end, killing Renly meant that Stannis' forces were too isolated from Robb to make a nominal alliance mean anything. Robb would've bent the knee for Sansa anyway, had Stannis taken the capital.
@@chimerasuchus well yea because: 1. The Tyrells were obliterated 2. Olenna rebelled against the crown and sided with a foreign invader 3. The writing of the show sort of slowly did its own thing
@@MrKingYuji The Tyrells were murdered by the Lannisters, who then took a crown they did not even have a pretense to. And the "foreign invader" was the daughter of the man he fought for during Robert's Rebellion.
He's just an unbending, unyielding, intolerant bigot who can't understand that his principles are idealistic and life isn't just rules. He was a just man, that is true, but was he always fair? Not really.
@@subutaynoyan5372 Spoken like a real weakling and craven who's lenient toward the rot and selfishness of humans. Stannis would never suffer such fools.
Most people in today's world cannot comprehend duty and obligations like Stannis did. It is a foreign concept in a world devoted to self indulgence and self serving nonsense.
Not sure about the sentiments of the Northerners at this point of the story but halfway through the war, it was clear that it was no longer about the Throne but more on seceding from the Kingdoms.
@@Saicofakeagreed. The only thing left that the northerners could believe in was that they no longer wanted to be trapped under another kingdoms rule and Robb took up that kingship knowing and respecting that independence is the only thing they would settle for anymore
Show wise. No doubt. Rob just wanted his pops back lol he didnt give a F about anything else. Then when eddard lost his head robb just wanted to litter the south w bodies lol. He didn’t want to be king of westeros. Hed of been fine w status quo warden and maybe a seat on council if he would’ve entertained that
@@Saicofake Prior to declaring Robb the King in the North, the Northerners would've probably settled for the extermination of Tywin's branch of Lannisters since it is honorable vengeance for the murder of Ned
These scenes from the early seasons were so brilliantly written. The first half tells us a lot about Stannis's character. Even though he's calling Jaime an incestuous oath breaker, he's going to address him with his full title while he's doing it. Stannis is dutiful and honorable to a fault, just like Ned Stark.
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No. He owed nothing to usurpers like Renly and Robb. Why should he BEG and negotiate for his rights and for the allegiance that both clowns already owed him?
That Stannis refused to ally himself with his brother or Robb Stark was the beginning of his end. He couldve pointed 3 armies at the Lannisters or allowed Robb to deal with the Greyjoy fleet first the. Provided backup, but no, he had to act like a true asshole.
Talk of a bumbling craven. The rightful king does NOT beg for alliances from those who SHOULD swear allegiance to him. And he's still alive in the books. Enjoy your non-canon fanfic.
@@gooby214think it's more. You're outmanned. Come to a common ground and destroy the common enemy. Maybe actually talk to rob saying to join him very least he can deal with Rob after he takes the throne. Won't be surprised if Rob agrees to become warden of the north if he gets sansa back and justice for his father
@@Superfoodcookie That's the silly part is that Rob Stark probably would have agreed to swear fealty to Stannis if it meant destroying the Lannisters. Rob was much less hellbent on ruling than either Stannis or Renly.
The thing I don't get is why did he drink first when the poison acts almost instantly so that she would barely have a chance to drink before he's already suffering with it?
We all know what Stannis is and what he becomes but I admired him greatly for that. The Lannisters stole the Iron Throne and have no honour or values, yet Stannis still shows respect to honour and tradition by saying "Make it Ser Jaime Lannister the Kingslayer, whatever else he is, the man is still a Knight."
Cersei, Tyrion and Jaime stole the throne. they're the only ones in the realm who know for sure Joff's illegitimate. no honor or values? pretty much every Lannister except Joff, Cersei and Tywin have honor and values. don't project their flaws onto a whole house. also the whole concept of "usurpers" and "claim" is flawed to begin with, since whoever is the true king is really just whoever has the biggest army at the time. and that's not stannis.
Stannis's hubris was ultimately the reason for his downfall. He wanted to rule but wanted no allies. Between Renly and Rob Stark, the three could've found a way to surround the Lannisters and defeat them
The historic point of a toast and clinking your glass with someone else in the first place was to ensure that you'd all drink the same wine at the same time and that there was no poison in the drink. He drank first so that Melisandre wouldn't suspect there was poison in the drink.
It's a common trope to convince the other person the wine isn't poisoned. Also to escape the fact he will probably be burnt alive for the act afterwards if he lives.
LongPipe4U No. She looked into the flames before the small council, and found that somebody was going to poison her that night. She prepared herself with the antidote.
Stannis should have joined forces with Robb. He could have pursuaded Robb to abandon his crown if he'd delivered Sansa to him and avenged Ned. And as far as Im aware, Robb didnt know that Ned declared for Stannis before he died.
As they always did since season 1, omitting his involvement with Jon Arryn and not explaining why he isn't at court. Worst scenes are especially in season 4, where he burns people for being infidels (nevermind his followers being split in king's men and queen's men), burning Florent simply for not burning figures of the Seven, having him beg to the Iron Bank for coin, and downplaying his success against the wildling army by making it a one-sided massacre and omitting the giants and the wildling cavalry. Oh, and in season 3 they had Stannis being convinced to sacrifice his nephew after only 1 leech, instead of waiting for all 3 kings to die. D&D are disgraces who never should've allowed to touch ASOIAF.
I have no idea why D&D felt that they didn't know what to do with Stannis. A show about war and you can't figure out what to do with one of the best commanders in the 7 kingdoms? He should've stayed alive until the end and became king instead of Bran, that would've at least restored some legitimacy to the throne, seeing as Dany failed to break the wheel and Jon didn't want it and every king/"queen" after Robert was illegitimate.
The Ds were never interested in Stannis's character. The actor was never told anything by them, nor how should he portray him. Those 2 drunks never cared. The moment they decided to go wild and full fanfic in season 5, they immediately got rid of this character.
he was a total idiot, not a good commander. why would he or should he be king over bran? bran will rule for a thousand years, adding stability. even if stannis somehow ruled for a few decades, which wont ever happen as no one likes or supports him in any way, the throne will go to his sickly daughter, whom even less people support. how was robert himself legitimate?
So she would think it safe to drink from that cup. He's essentially sacrificing his life to make her drink the poison, but she probably saw it coming from the fire and took the antidote before-hand.
@@yidingliu8663 There is no antidote from this type of poison. At least not a non-magical one. Plus it's implied that the choker protected her with sorcery. Anyway, this scene in the show is stupid and fake. Cressen didn't commit suicide and didn't drink first. He watched Melisandre drinking and not getting poisoned, was too skeptical to believe in magic, and Melisandre warned him not to drink it. He drank anyway and died. Melisandre did not use any antidote. Maester Cressen would've known of its existence. Martin wrote this to confirm the existence of powers unknown to maesters. Not "oh she just took antidote lul." It's a damn fantasy story, even if the show version loves to downplaying it.
He was trying to kill her, and was willing to kill himself to do it. She knew it and drank it anyways because the lord of light wouldn't let it kill her. She was flexing.
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“Ser Jaime Lannister the kingslayer” Stannis was such a mood
lol when he called jaime the kingslayer that was so funny
+Jaybird Jetwings _Ser_ Jaime the Kingslayer. Whatever else he is, the man's still a knight.
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no one told stannis the table can be lit up 🤣
Hahaha I came here after the meme!
As pragmatic as he is, I like to think that he just didn't bother lighting it.
"Why waste candles? We can read the map just fine"
Stannis isnt the type of man to waste good candles
This man is a living representation of "absolute justice", and it shows that justice without context is not real justice.
you don't know what your talking about, never disrespect the ONE TRUE KING!
More like robotic duty
GoT’s last season was the best!!
Stannis: A lie take it out..
Yeah. I didn't like the end with Daenerys turning bad. She and Jon should have married and had children.
A harmless courtesy your grace
@@samdickenson5852 Eww, that's an even worse ending. Dany was always pure garbage. Also, you sicken me, for your incest support.
Had us in the first half, not gonna lie.
Stannis was hard, too hard.
Man this show does good first impressions for characters fucking brilliantly, between him tywin and blackfish
Man Blackfish is so underrated, I loved his character
1:24 reminds me of a quote from Stalin
"The Pope? How many divisions has he got?"
yeah yeah right, that's from HOI4 you normie.
He should've banded with Robb Stark
juanballe07 Seriously. All he had to do was negotiate with him. Pretty sure Robb wouldn't mind not seceding. All he really wanted was revenge for his father and to get his sisters back. Stannis was so fucking stubborn.
+dallashood67 not to mention it could have saved the both of them from certain death
dallashood67 Robb could've also send some ravens to negociate an alliance, instead he let her mother take the responsabily and look how it went.
Better yet, if I were Stannis, I would have offered Robb Stark Shireen's hand in marriage. That way, he becomes my heir, and I take the North and Riverlands in one swoop. I would also go to the Vale and incite the Vale lords against the Lannisters by blaming the latter for Jon Arryn's death.
@@HolyknightVader999 I don’t know if Robb would want to marry Shireen. Might could get Sweet Robin of the Vale too
In the book, she drinks first, maester drinks second. But this is where they actually did a great job of adapting the books. You still get the same effect as you do in the book but without having to develop maester cressens character before he died. Making Melisandre drink second emphasised her confidence in her power and her lord. Managed to pull the same effect on the audience as it did with the reader but with less scenes.
Good job...shame they lack the vision and writing to continue with the lack of source material
The way she sees the poison taking effect on Cressen and still drinks it down is epic
ShanghaiRooster in the book it's more imposing. Cressen offers to share a cup in the name of stannis with melisandra, she accepts, but before they drink she tells him 'it's not too late to spill the cup maester' which is more haunting in a way because she already knew it was poisoned and still drinks.
So why did the maester drink it?
@@incredibleXMan he knew he was dead anyway. Melisandre wouldn't tolerate someone willing to betray stannis, neither would stannis.
@@TheArsenalgunner28 it is possible it was a suicide.
"I won't make peace with Renly, when he calls himself King." Man stannis the one true king
how is he the true anything? given renly had the bigger army, that means hes way more of a true king than stannis, who no one liked or supported
0:00 I never did love my brother. A sad thing for a man to admit. You are the brother i chose. - Robert Baratheon
Robert hated Stannis for being a bigot who doesn't laugh, always bickers and moans about everything he sees ungodly or unjust, like some child who doesn't know how world works.
He didn't like Renly because he was just some boy with no backbone, no sense of honor, because he was the sort of man who would conspire behind the back of Stannis and sneak his way to a throne
In his deathbed, about Daenerys, Robert finally relents, and says that Eddard was right, and Renly with all the Small Council are worthless, for not standing up to him for what they all know was right.
@@subutaynoyan5372lol i think YOU dont like them for those perceived qualities YOU see in them. Not necessarily Robert
This poison was apparently the same who killed Joffrey.
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1:08 imagine if Stannis agreed with Davos here. Him and Renly temporarily unifying meant the Lannisters definitely would’ve been defeated.
It was Renly who needed to bargain and beg with Stannis, not the other way around. Same with Robb. Stannis didn't have to negotiate for his rights with them.
@@gooby214 yes he did. renly has the larger army and more support. that gives him all the power.
The cressen chapter in the books is so fucking good reeee
Soo the necklace did glow.... interesting
I just noticed that too
at what time?
2:56 - 3:02, you craven.
Lies the fire reflection
The necklace keeps her young and alive so it's not that interesting
Season 6 necklace brought me here
Season 5-8 are poorly written plot-holes.
poor Maester Cressen
Stannis played a large part in losing the war of the five kings because he was too stubborn to compromise with Renly as well as with Robb. Killing Renly and taking over his army actually caused the Tyrells to join the oppositions and instead of aligning with Robb to destroy the Lannister army he chose to attack King's Landing in full force despite knowing of wildfire and it's potential threat. Overall his action caused the downfall of his house as well as House Baratheon.
Only good thing Dany did in this non-canon show is reviving House Baratheon.
I've just written a mega reply to this comment on the one written 8 years ago. Alliances with Robb and Renly wouldn't have changed anything, Stannis forces were too small to begin with. In the end, killing Renly meant that Stannis' forces were too isolated from Robb to make a nominal alliance mean anything. Robb would've bent the knee for Sansa anyway, had Stannis taken the capital.
Given the sort of man Randyl Tarly was, at least in the show, i’m surprised he declared for Renly.
He gay
The Tarlys serve the Tyrells. They do whatever the Tyrells do.
@@MrKingYuji Until they didn't.
@@chimerasuchus well yea because:
1. The Tyrells were obliterated
2. Olenna rebelled against the crown and sided with a foreign invader
3. The writing of the show sort of slowly did its own thing
@@MrKingYuji The Tyrells were murdered by the Lannisters, who then took a crown they did not even have a pretense to. And the "foreign invader" was the daughter of the man he fought for during Robert's Rebellion.
Stannis would've won had he just listened to Davos.
Stannis has a level of principles that most normies cannot comprehend.
He's just an unbending, unyielding, intolerant bigot who can't understand that his principles are idealistic and life isn't just rules.
He was a just man, that is true, but was he always fair? Not really.
@@subutaynoyan5372 Spoken like a real weakling and craven who's lenient toward the rot and selfishness of humans. Stannis would never suffer such fools.
@@subutaynoyan5372 Also it's so bs that Stannis never compromises. In the last books he did it a lot and bent the rules more than often. Read slower.
Most people in today's world cannot comprehend duty and obligations like Stannis did. It is a foreign concept in a world devoted to self indulgence and self serving nonsense.
he’s so based lmfao
"Call him what he is " 🤣😂
I think Robb would’ve bent the knee to Stannis had he offered to join forces against the Lannisters
Not sure about the sentiments of the Northerners at this point of the story but halfway through the war, it was clear that it was no longer about the Throne but more on seceding from the Kingdoms.
@@Saicofakeagreed. The only thing left that the northerners could believe in was that they no longer wanted to be trapped under another kingdoms rule and Robb took up that kingship knowing and respecting that independence is the only thing they would settle for anymore
Show wise. No doubt. Rob just wanted his pops back lol he didnt give a F about anything else. Then when eddard lost his head robb just wanted to litter the south w bodies lol. He didn’t want to be king of westeros. Hed of been fine w status quo warden and maybe a seat on council if he would’ve entertained that
Robb was trying to help Stannis by luring Tywin further from kings landing
@@Saicofake Prior to declaring Robb the King in the North, the Northerners would've probably settled for the extermination of Tywin's branch of Lannisters since it is honorable vengeance for the murder of Ned
That had to be stannis’s most loyal companion
These scenes from the early seasons were so brilliantly written. The first half tells us a lot about Stannis's character. Even though he's calling Jaime an incestuous oath breaker, he's going to address him with his full title while he's doing it. Stannis is dutiful and honorable to a fault, just like Ned Stark.
how is it honorable to implicitly defend aerys by insulting the man who put a stop to him?
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Lover of the Russian queen
They put some poison into his wine
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He drank it all and said, I feel fine
You should have made the clip last 5 more seconds and you could have saw the necklace glowing and fading glowing and fading again.
You see it anyway, you craven.
She is HOT.
Absolutely 💯
I (Heart of R'Hllor) Stannis!
when you see someone at the party randomly hit the coke 0:35
If only Stannis had listened to Davos
No. He owed nothing to usurpers like Renly and Robb. Why should he BEG and negotiate for his rights and for the allegiance that both clowns already owed him?
That Stannis refused to ally himself with his brother or Robb Stark was the beginning of his end. He couldve pointed 3 armies at the Lannisters or allowed Robb to deal with the Greyjoy fleet first the. Provided backup, but no, he had to act like a true asshole.
Talk of a bumbling craven. The rightful king does NOT beg for alliances from those who SHOULD swear allegiance to him. And he's still alive in the books. Enjoy your non-canon fanfic.
@@gooby214think it's more. You're outmanned. Come to a common ground and destroy the common enemy. Maybe actually talk to rob saying to join him very least he can deal with Rob after he takes the throne. Won't be surprised if Rob agrees to become warden of the north if he gets sansa back and justice for his father
@@Superfoodcookie That's the silly part is that Rob Stark probably would have agreed to swear fealty to Stannis if it meant destroying the Lannisters. Rob was much less hellbent on ruling than either Stannis or Renly.
stannic stood on serious bidness
I like how Stannis stood up and I bet you he's prob like oh well he ded
Davos mourned the maester a lot in the books. Often brought up his death.
Imagine Ned had lived and put the whole north behind Stannis. Rob is a bitter fool to have not allied with the one true heir to the iron throne
Is it weird to say i had a crush on Stannis in the books and the show 😂
The thing I don't get is why did he drink first when the poison acts almost instantly so that she would barely have a chance to drink before he's already suffering with it?
D&D's writing. In the books, he doesn't drink first.
And he was so obvious about it too, trying to poison her in front of Stannis’ entire council. At least do it when no one is looking
I both love and despise Stannis.
We all know what Stannis is and what he becomes but I admired him greatly for that. The Lannisters stole the Iron Throne and have no honour or values, yet Stannis still shows respect to honour and tradition by saying "Make it Ser Jaime Lannister the Kingslayer, whatever else he is, the man is still a Knight."
Cersei, Tyrion and Jaime stole the throne. they're the only ones in the realm who know for sure Joff's illegitimate.
no honor or values? pretty much every Lannister except Joff, Cersei and Tywin have honor and values. don't project their flaws onto a whole house.
also the whole concept of "usurpers" and "claim" is flawed to begin with, since whoever is the true king is really just whoever has the biggest army at the time. and that's not stannis.
@@godemperorofmankind3.091 Tyrion and Jamie didn’t do anything. It was Tywin and Cersi who stole the throne.
Stannis's hubris was ultimately the reason for his downfall. He wanted to rule but wanted no allies. Between Renly and Rob Stark, the three could've found a way to surround the Lannisters and defeat them
I don't understand why he drank the wine unless he wanted to die and take her with him? Or did she by some magic make him drink the wine?
He's old. He's more than happy to die if it means Melisandre dies with him.
The historic point of a toast and clinking your glass with someone else in the first place was to ensure that you'd all drink the same wine at the same time and that there was no poison in the drink. He drank first so that Melisandre wouldn't suspect there was poison in the drink.
It's a common trope to convince the other person the wine isn't poisoned. Also to escape the fact he will probably be burnt alive for the act afterwards if he lives.
How'd she drink that poison like it was nothing more than Kool-Aide?
The Lord of Light protected her from the poison
+zulubro She's no longer truly human.
Her necklace
LongPipe4U No. She looked into the flames before the small council, and found that somebody was going to poison her that night. She prepared herself with the antidote.
Looks more like blood magic to me, 'only death may pay for life'. The maester's death paid for her life.
Stannis should have joined forces with Robb. He could have pursuaded Robb to abandon his crown if he'd delivered Sansa to him and avenged Ned. And as far as Im aware, Robb didnt know that Ned declared for Stannis before he died.
0:31 I mean, really? Did you have to make the poisoning of the chalice so damn obvious?
The thing about making peace with Renly is that Renly would most likely be unwilling to make peace either (unless Stannis supported his claim)
he cold have offered that Renly could be king of the South, while Stannis could be king of Westerlands, Riverlands and Vale.
stains Robb and renly team up. S3: the end
This is not what the book said. Dumb and dumber are ruining my man stannis
As they always did since season 1, omitting his involvement with Jon Arryn and not explaining why he isn't at court. Worst scenes are especially in season 4, where he burns people for being infidels (nevermind his followers being split in king's men and queen's men), burning Florent simply for not burning figures of the Seven, having him beg to the Iron Bank for coin, and downplaying his success against the wildling army by making it a one-sided massacre and omitting the giants and the wildling cavalry. Oh, and in season 3 they had Stannis being convinced to sacrifice his nephew after only 1 leech, instead of waiting for all 3 kings to die. D&D are disgraces who never should've allowed to touch ASOIAF.
I have no idea why D&D felt that they didn't know what to do with Stannis. A show about war and you can't figure out what to do with one of the best commanders in the 7 kingdoms? He should've stayed alive until the end and became king instead of Bran, that would've at least restored some legitimacy to the throne, seeing as Dany failed to break the wheel and Jon didn't want it and every king/"queen" after Robert was illegitimate.
The Ds were never interested in Stannis's character. The actor was never told anything by them, nor how should he portray him. Those 2 drunks never cared. The moment they decided to go wild and full fanfic in season 5, they immediately got rid of this character.
@@gooby214 He did a great job despite not being given a real direction for the character.
he was a total idiot, not a good commander.
why would he or should he be king over bran? bran will rule for a thousand years, adding stability.
even if stannis somehow ruled for a few decades, which wont ever happen as no one likes or supports him in any way, the throne will go to his sickly daughter, whom even less people support.
how was robert himself legitimate?
why did he poisin the wine he would drink?
So she would think it safe to drink from that cup.
He's essentially sacrificing his life to make her drink the poison, but she probably saw it coming from the fire and took the antidote before-hand.
@@yidingliu8663 There is no antidote from this type of poison. At least not a non-magical one. Plus it's implied that the choker protected her with sorcery. Anyway, this scene in the show is stupid and fake. Cressen didn't commit suicide and didn't drink first. He watched Melisandre drinking and not getting poisoned, was too skeptical to believe in magic, and Melisandre warned him not to drink it. He drank anyway and died. Melisandre did not use any antidote. Maester Cressen would've known of its existence. Martin wrote this to confirm the existence of powers unknown to maesters. Not "oh she just took antidote lul." It's a damn fantasy story, even if the show version loves to downplaying it.
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I never understood the poison scene
He was trying to kill her, and was willing to kill himself to do it. She knew it and drank it anyways because the lord of light wouldn't let it kill her. She was flexing.
I think he knew he would die (because he would be executed after) but wanted to take her with him.
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@@bryceroberts2965what did he do?
@@jayarnoldz2087 he's maester, they're against magic