CRAZIEST FAILURE! Steering Disconnected?! BMW M3 // Nürburgring
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The steering subscription clearly expired
Ahahahah 👍🏻
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haha 🤣
New ToS just dropped 🔥🔥🔥🔥🔥
😂😂Lol
"on the next episode bmw doing massive recall service" 😂
Well, guess who recalls all the Cybertrucks already....😅
@@konstantin88181 like that's relevant to the topic
@@Mateusz_Szalajda Yet
So did Honda, Ford, Toyota.. all of them have mad recalls lately, and o er the years, Tesla had to recall a few thousand, the others recalled millions lately lol pretty crazy to just cherry pic like that, almost makes you look foolish..
@@BaldHeadedManc OK, I guess no one even tried to understand reference to Cybertuck's steer by wire. I got it.
Whoever did the "Controller Disconnected" edit was brilliant 😂
But damn, this is a new fault that I didn't know would happen!
Everyone with a grain of salt knew it was bound to happen. Who the fuck binds their steering wheel to some wires and some electrical signal, it's madness. Steering should NEVER be anything else but mechanical. Or even better, a hybrid of wires and mechanical rod, in case of malfunction of either of those. But you can bet which system will fail first.
@@blastmanutz7798 It is not by wire. Even if you lose power steering you can still steer it's just bit harder depending on speed to do so therefore it's not that dramatic as it seems. You won't just lose the capacity of steering mid drive, and yes i'm talking about the bmw m3 g80.
@@davidceky it doesn't look like it on the video though. He literally nearly went off track at high speeds.
Is it direct connection or not in the system bmw uses for the m3? As I know there are some variations in the epas system.
@@blastmanutz7798 The car has a steering rack (mechanical steering), but the power steering went off I guess. The G80 is a heavy car, not to forget. It can be hard to steer it.
So youve basicly just won the lottery with the rain storm... if it would have been a sunny day, and u would go flat out, idk what would have happened with that steering failure. thats scaaary.
Maybe it's rain related and there is water in the electronics. Very scetchy non the less.
Or any other corner
@@danielwlodawer1282 Seems HIGHLY unlikely as cars tend to be damn near waterproof especially these days. Outside of a flood you should have no worries about some water.
@@poppachoppa8956 It could be temperture related maybe IDK. It was absolutely freezing there and maybe the ECU froze a bit? I know the car got warmed up and anything but I don't think electronics get the same treatment as the engine and what not when it comes to temperture. It could be related to the weather but I also think its highly unlikely.
@@poppachoppa8956 It only takes a misplaced rubber seal or a blockage in the wrong place to ruin that. Faults still happen.
And look up the Cybertruck breaking down after a carwash... 😂
Having problems with the Traction Control or the ABS is a big problem...loosing the steering... that's another level
That's why i will never buy anything newer than 2007
@@nuckels188 wise decision! me too not owning anything after 2008!
@@nuckels188i had this in my Chrysler 300C from 2006
@@supraa66 your first mistake is chrysler. But the newest thing i've owned is from 1999. Any time i have to drive a newer car it is actually enraging. But I will say when the 1999 ABS kicks in on wet/snowy roads it is 5 bajillion times worse than no ABS
@@nuckels188 nah the 300c hemi 5.7 was a good engine solid as a rock, that was legit the only problem I got in 200k+ kms
The passenger looks like he's part of the Schumacher family.
looks like a cousin of Mick or something lol
So on point lol, was thinking the whole
Video. “Why does he have such familiar face characteristics”
das raceist
norwegian ;)
He looks like he's dead inside.
If this happens in a sim thats... not nice.
If this happens in real life... DAMN THATS SCARY AF😮😂
yeah, that could be _really bad_ depending on when and where it happened. _yikes!_
This has happened at least 3 times in my Veloster N, steering goes and the car just throws itself in the direction you had the wheel before it "disconnected".
Its scary!
@@poppachoppa8956Get rid of that thing before you hug a tree with 100km/h
@@poppachoppa8956 Damn you like to live dangerously I guess (if you still keeping that car)
@@poppachoppa8956 Crazy how a mechanical steering just magically snaps in half and welds itself together again.
Nürburgring Regenschleife
Thanks for confirming my irrational fear of electronic steering 😂
All normal eps has failsafe . This one clearly does not .
Unnecessary worry. The electronic power steering used by BMW is always connected by a rod. It is not shift-by-wire, where there is no rod between the steering wheel and the steering mechanism.
What Misha experienced was aquaplaning, which manifests similarly to the steering wheel being disconnected from the wheels.
If the EPS fails, it only makes the steering wheel harder to turn because the motor does not assist in turning the wheels. However, the difference is not so noticeable while driving.
EPS, like hydraulic power steering, simply facilitates steering. But the steering wheel is always connected to the steering mechanism.
Shift-by-wire does not involve a connection between the steering wheel and the steering mechanism. However, BMW has never used this type of steering in any of its.
Electric power steering is a lot more reliable than an old hydraulic rack. Steering feel usually leaves a lot to be desired, but there are fewer points of failure.
People were afraid of hydraulic brakes too way back in the dawn of automobiles.
Hey I did say it was irrational to be fair.
for some reason the passenger reminds a bit of a young michael schumacher
Mick
@5:27 controller disconnected.
You know the conditions are bad when Misha turns on TC 😂
The look on the owners face when he realized the car is going straight.....into the wall 😂
Imagine building cars for many MANY decades. And then building one, where the steering can disconnect........
Total fail of the car industry. Never can trust more in a car with this error.
Can happen in any car with power steering when electronics crap out. It's not disconnecting here, notice the steering wheel isn't moving much either, it's probably just very hard to move when power steering goes out (it's a heavy beast, and generally a dead PS motor adds additional effort vs the old non assisted racks).
@@Matthew-nl9kdYeah my M340i is super difficult to steer with no power steering, almost feels like you need to break the wheel
The power steering failed, not all steering
bruh the steering can't disconnect on this BMW! Furthermore, it is a redundant system that is secured at least twice
two weeks ago a GR Supra was yeeted over a berm at Mid-Ohio, the driver said the gauges went dark, the steering locked up and the ABS died...
I had the same problem in my Chrysler 300C, the whole electrical system would shut down and lock the wheel while driving. Luckily never crashed but bet I was shitting my pants every time this happened
Ground issue from turning it into a racecar, can't blame the factory once the car has been violated😂
@@supraa66 "every time".. err.. why would you get behind the wheel again after you knew the car had an extremely dangerous defect?
@@stoneehmans on a mission
the worst ive had was the shifter disconnected from the linkage..
i cant imagine what losing the steering would be like at speed.. 😳
Luckily this 'Bug' is not possible in my ancient old E46 😮
Based on the reliability of my household electronics, i have zero interest in driving a computer
Same.
@@nuckels188 😂 so true man
E46 was the last proper BMW.
@@macksters1 True! Modern BMW cars are just rubbish and looks awfull, like all new cars.
E46, E39 and E38 are last proper BMW. I have E30, E36 and E39. In my opinion a good BMW need to have few things and it is good : 1. inline six 2. limited slip diff. 3. sport seats. 4. manual transmission.
Then you can have fun on track and enjoy nice sounds and feeling on the road.
This just further cements it for me. I'm not buying new cars.
Dangerous garbage:
electric steering by wire, nope
Brake by wire, nope
Electric parkng brake, no emergency brake, nope
0w08 water oil, nope
Lifetime sealed trans, nope
nice excuse, you just cant afford them
@@ppppw2 sure kid
A few years ago BMW asked me to pay 4000€ to fix the AFS (active front steering) on a 123d e87...
A nightmare...
Is "active front steering" a real option. What if you didn't get one. Passive steering like imaginary steering drive 😂
Active steering is an option that adjusts the steering ratios depending on the speed. For example at low speeds, it adjusts it so you don’t need to turn the wheel as much for full lock
1:57 hilarious sign in that regard!
even though a nice system for the ring finally.
Windows triggered auto update at that moment 😁
As always Safe driving Mischa, stating you don't have to proof anything. Respect!!
poor guy I hope at the summer reunion the weather and traffic will play along
and the car!
Impressed that you finished the lap instead of calling it quits at the mid point.
I was there that evening, was surprised about the sheer amount of photographers. Got a nice picture of me passing another car with wet snow coming down.
Used the outside line quite a lot, thanks to watching your videos. Also I was only about 30 seconds slower than you! But I didn't pull over to restart my car, so there's that.
It would be nice to know what error codes it threw out from that. Might give some idea about the problem.
perfect weather for learning to drift
That amount of rain would have traffic crawling at 20mph with the hazard lights on here in the US. Here you are racing through it. 🤣🤣
that's not broken, it's normal, you're getting the full-on BMW experience
It started out with rain...... Then it became ridiculous. Imagine going all the way to the Ring from Norway to test your car, and then this is what you get.
I think he should sue the weather.
April is known for changeable weather with rainy days and cold air outbreaks are normal.
I mean there are several apps that show you what the weather will be like that you can check before actually driving to the nürburgring……..
Time to test out your wet tires!
@@tmoneysims
I think they should simply have ticked the box and ordered better weather.
Holy shit! That's absolutely terrifying!
Misha's ability to find and adapt to surprise faults in cars is a testament to his skill and experience.
The hail reminded me of the 24 hour race where almost everyone went straight into the Aremberg gravel trap and barrier because of the hail on the track. 😅
G80 still has psychical steering column right (at least according to parts catalogs)? Really weird what happened. Maybe electronics were straightening up wheels, because they went crazy, because they were soaked in water?
Must be aqua planning, because the wheels are mechanically attached to the steering wheel. There simply can't be a "short disconnection" of the front axle from the steering wheel unless something major snapped in half, but then the steering would be gone for good.
@@astrodoge5523 yea - thats what I was thinking, because my straighthening theory has flaw - Misha would feel on steering wheel that rack does something. So I guess it's a very bad aquaplaning + errors from soaked electronics.
BMW variable steering is sort of half steer by wire. On top of the power steering, there is a motor helping turning. That second motor controls the steering wheel angle, so the steering wheel is not connected to the fixed world directly.
@@MichielvanderMeulen so "engineering fuckery" + bad weather, can create "fun times?
@@TqmmPl freude am fahren
had a similar issue with an f30, the steering box failed and required replacement. Even a light blow to the wheels can damage it. Its surprising after 11 years its still a common problem.
I was confused how I didn't see all your videos until I noticed this is a fresh post 🤣
Man you show that watch so much that I'm surprised that there are no buy links in video descriptions.
*Why doesn't the Nurburgring have a roof?*
😂😂😂😂
while we're at it, we should add underfloor heating - that's energy efficient or something.
@@zibingotaeam3716and pay 90 eur for a lap? Nah
That's scary AF...
Couldn't image if it was dry and MC was givin her the beans...
Bmw should be sued
@@the_batmobile0.4 bruh it's a redundant system that is secured at least twice and the steering can't disconnect. The car wasn't turning because of aquaplaning or there was a problem with the power steering / assistance
So much for these electrical steering systems having multiple redundancies and failing safe 🤔Is this electrical power assist or full drive by wire?
It's just electrical assist. The redundancies are the same as any other BMW from the past 30 years.
Not sure what you mean by multiple redundancies? The actuator is a single point of failure, the control electronics are a single point of failure. If the electronics decides to short out and lock up the steering you won't be able to overpower it.
There is no drive by wire in any series production car except Tesla Cybertruck
@@Phoenixklingeand Infiniti Q50/nissan skyline
@@PhoenixklingeInifiniti Q50 Q60, Toyota bZ4X, Lexus RZ450e and those are just production cars. Maybe read up before making claims
Slowly getting colder over here in Australia Misha so you should start getting warmer weather soon mate 😂
you can turn off the engine and restart while driving / rolling - just ( put gearbox to N and ) tap 3 times ( fast ) the start/stop engine button or longpress 3s. then the engine turns off and press again for restarting the engine
Im sure the previous gen f80/f32/f30 has issues with the steering column. Seems they made that issue worse on the g series
Wait what caused that weird steering issue? Is it a modification that's on the car or is it something else?
Thats interesting. You couldnt steer because it was harder than before or wheels are completly disconected from sterring wheel so computer steer for you?
At 4:40 you can see that the redline starts to slowly drop from 8000 to 1000 rpm. The exact same thing happens at 10:20, just watch the thin red segments that start to descend to 1k. Just before he says drivetrain issue. There is also a yellow zone that starts to appear bellow the rev "needle" on the display in both cases. The older BMWs had LEDs on the rev meter to reduce the redline when the engine was cold, and the redline got higher as the engine temp got closer to optimum. This seems to be the digital version of the same thing, so maybe some sensor failures are causing it to limit the revs to 1000...
My old is350 powersteering would cutout when I was on the track mid corner. The steering ECU would fault out. Only way to fix was to shut off or replace. I would just man handle it until the end of the session then hope it wouldn't turn off again. It got sweaty quick.
something electrical got wet clearly.
If this can happen at random, it makes you wonder if you could drive these new Ms fast with confidence in the one thing that used to be so reliable, I once crashed a TTS and it shut off my steering before the crash had finished!😂 that was the scariest part tbh
Страшно было смотреть аж дух перехватывало на торможении в поворотах и максималка на прямых до срыва колеса…вау Браво 👏🏻 очень круто 👍
Would the zones with more rubber which get slippier in rain conditions be a concern in normal road driving or just on track?
what watch do you wear?
I own an M3 Xdrive and certain temperatures combined with the traction control when underload makes the cars drivetrain malfunction. I have this happen and its as if it 2nd gear out but in actuality it just cut all the power.
Love the thumbnail title!
Now imagine that happens in a cybertruck that has no steering column! At least if it's just electric assist, you still have control of the vehicle. With full electric steering you lose steering completely.
all 3 systems should fail in the Cybertruck case, like an F-16. If only one fails you get a red alarm, it's not like it's gonna let you take a stroll on your last steering motor XD
This is a little known fact - BMW uses blinker fluid for steering as well, if the owner uses their indicators too much, it depletes the blinker fluid and steering doesn't work anymore. Therefore it is is not recommended to use blinkers that much in a BMW.
Some mechanics are right when they say buy a car with the fewest electronics. As for german reliability, it has probably gone on a long excursion in recent years.
Unpopular opinion here, as a car mechanic.
German quality wasn’t very good to begin with. ESPECIALLY with BMW. There were a few “more than okay” models but that was the best they could
I don't mind at all seeing more and more G series BMW go around the ring. Beast of a car
The G80 has a mechanical steering with electrical power assist (EPS)
It can't be disconnected unless there is a major mechanical breakage.
Now the brake pedal is brake by wire with a mechanical redundancy system to the braking circuit as a safety :P
I've never loved the idea of a steering column more in my life 😅
The steering never "disconnected", considering its literally impossible for it to do so. The M3 has electric power steering, not steer-by-wire. All that means is that the power steering is powered by an electric motor, rathe than a hydraulic pump. That means there is still always a permanent mechanical connection to the front wheels.
The IT crowd @11:32 🥲🙂 *our work on this planet is done*
I would say water got into somewere. It happened to me in a car wash water got into my DME box in my bmw it went crazy.
Bmw quality
@s.y.n.c.c my fault tho i left the cover off the DME box
I drove through a really heavy rain storm in France in my M135i and it went into limp mode and drivetrain failure warning appeared, restarted the car and all ok, BMW electronics have a rain fall limit??
A thing I've seen with a BMW is that they can get condensation build-up in the intercooler on wet days. When you suddenly floor it, the engine drinks the water and the ECU will shut down a couple of cylinders. Was... interesting.
Isn’t there a steering shaft still connected as a backup if the electric one fails? Was there just suddenly a huge dead spot?
At first it looked like maybe understeer in a wet spot but you would have probably been able to tell better in person and feeling it in the steering or lack of steering lol
this is not a normal steering rack, it has a differential in the middle with an electric motor to make it "variable"
thats probably quite a almost scary scenario especially in a downpour
5:37 Looks like a huge puddle down there in Fuchsröhre. So maybe the car wasn't turning at 5:40 because of aquaplaning or there was a problem with the power steering / assistance.
For sure, the steering can't disconnect on this BMW. Furthermore, it's a redundant system which is at least doubly secured
And people think Tesla Cybertruck steer by wire is a good idea :O
Anything by wire is sketchy at best
The Cybertruck isn’t a good idea lol
Good enough idea for the person in the Cybertruck. Not a good idea for the person in the other car.
And yet if you flew in any passenger Airbus within the last 3 decades then you should know the plane had fly by wire technology. If this can work safely in a plane then I wouldn't worry about cars that much.
@@patrolmostwanteddon't planes have far higher safety standards? How many dead drivers before car regulations catch up?
Well, that's scary! In a car this fast, you get steering wheel disconnection...
My guess is since this is an Xdrive car, the front wheels were hydroplaning giving the illusion of no steering. My WRX with worn PSS with any power to the front axle in a very wet condition acted this way.
Possibly low battery of the controller.😂🤣😂🤣
It's funny that so much rain drops, yet the rear windshield doesn't get any rain
Dont you hate it when you go to the Nurburgring and forget to pay your power steering subscription?
My god, that could have been horrific…Well done Misha for keeping so calm..I would have pulled off after that to change my man nappy..lol. 🙏🏻
im 100%% sure is about this rain, the moment he left that heavy rainfall, error popped out on screen. Water went somewhere.
insane malfunction
The only thing that is logical in this situation is because of the heavy rain some water finds it's way to the steering electrical connection or some wire has loos pin..something along these lines.
But still, it has to be looked after ASAP
"Hello, this is IT, have you tried turning it off and on again?"
"Controller Disconnected".. Feeling some Oceangate vibes here😅
That looks almost like the car has some dynamic ratio power assist running from a system related to the ECU/BCM or other drive-related module, and Misha powering through all the standing water giving it big inputs caused some weird ABS/wheel slip/differential sensor readings, so the module failed itself safe and disabled all the enhancements. Including power steering...
Seems like a fairly niche edge case given most people wouldn't be hooning round Nords in torrential storm weather, but a very scary failure mode nonetheless 😮 the owner will know not to do that in future! Could be useful info with Norway's conditions.
Of course, the car might just have lemon electronics and need a loom or module replacing 😅 here's hoping he has some success with BMW. Would be interesting to get a follow-up.
Considering the shifting issue that happened just before, I'd say it was an electronics fault just messing with everything. Maybe some water tripped something or there was an issue with battery/alternator power. Issues with battery power tend to cause all sorts of random weirdness in cars as it interferes with every component at once.
@@Matthew-nl9kdThere was no “shifting” issue in the sense that the car just didn’t allow Misha to shift. In this fail-safe mode BMW lowers the redline to 1300RPM and does not allow it to exceed hence no downshifting occurred but when he slowed down he could downshift. I believe the original commenter is correct.
Qu est ce que c est cette tenue de route sur la pluie ,je n aïs jamais vue cela ? Le compteur est en miles en bleue côté gauche ? Jr ne comprends pas ce vaisseau spatiale !
6:20 - How dangerous!!! You should've waited
what a legend the guy of the Volvo with bikes
gotta come back when dry
The car probably had one of those driving aids freaking out with all that rain. Looks absolutely scary af!
How did it occur? Turning the steering wheel but wheels did not turn with it or was it the power assist cutting off so it was hard to steer?
I guess the car wasn't turning in due to aquaplaning as you could see a huge puddle in the video or there was a problem with the power steering / assistance as you said. The steering can't disconnect and it's a redundant system that is secured at least twice
That's just an instant sell right... I would never be able to trust that car again.
Good video
Nice lap anyay in pouring conditions. If it was my car I simply return it, this warning message is plain scary....
Track mode is only available with the M professional package.
Shouldn't it still have a mechanical connection? The electricals just make steering easier.
This happened to my e92 when the battery was low!
i find it wierd how everytime breaks, steering, what ever goes out misha tells it to the car owner and is panicking and they all just say "ok" makes no sense :D
I cannot think one reason to drive in these conditions.Whats the point?
Yikes good thing you have perfect control over a car
Damn, new fear unlocked in my G80… wish I hadn’t seen this
In other word a BMW doing BMW things
idk why but this video feels so relaxing even tho it is clearly not xD
Electronic steering dont disconnect . You always have a manual steering if the electronics fail. The electronic just replaces the boost from the hydrualics.
Nope. Variable steering works differently.
@@MichielvanderMeulen how so.
@@MichielvanderMeulen as far as I am aware all electric steering must have a physical connection to the steering wheel in case the electronics fail
@@rwells3325 It's not that black and white. Remember the Citroën CX? There your steering input 100% was transferred through hydraulic fluid. But as a failsafe there was a mechanical coupling fixed in place. Caveat: the coupling had more than 90 degrees of play. It was just there to save you from complete disaster.
That will be the first time an M3 has averaged over 30mpg around the ring.