@@ConspicuousLiveMedia Because running a bike motor as part of a genset hybrid would sound awful, you wanna be able to rev it. The electric motor will just help with the bike engines lack of low down torque.
@@Zirion123 Yea the sequential at the back will be like a lever next to the steering wheel and the electric motor will just stay in one gear like 3rd or 4th and assist the Hayabusa. It doesn't need to lug the whole car out just aids the petrol motor. Adding 4wd and extra acceleration.
Rich's list of tools to buy: 1. (Good) Belt sander 2. Step drill bits 3. Water based machining fluid/coolant 4. Cobalt jobber drill bits 5. Contour gauge 6. Horizontal bandsaw These tools will make your life much, much easier, so you can keep up the great work!
@@williamhayes9642 bro, let me tell you, a regular CNC plasma table is like cheating. I cut parts out of 5mm steel in like 30 seconds with minimal post processing.
One way bearing/centrifugal clutch between trans and e-motor so busa can overrun e-motor. Convert busa throttle body to electric, use drive by wire foot pedal resistance to drive input for motor controller and e-throttle body. ORRRR force e-motor speed (compensating for gearing differences) to match busa speed using mag pickup on busa, throttle pedal then only controls busa. Then for reverse you use vw reverse switch as input for a linear actuator to pull busa clutch in. Also for slow vehicle speeds, you have it also pull in busa clutch. Make 2nd the lowest gear on busa so then you only have to worry about shifting in one direction depending on if you're up/downshifting. 1st gear only with e-motor.....leave vw trans in whatever gear is ideal for e-motor launching - then when you reach a specific vehicle speed you want to transition so busa takes over, you physically or a linear actuator kicks VW shifter into neutral so it's not a drag on driveline and then busa clutch linear actuator mentioned above let's out busa clutch. Then you figure out what gear to put VW trans in to use e-motor as electric boost to pass or something...(depending on how you're planning to drive it those might be the same gear). Then use strain gage on VW shifter only in left/right directions (these shift signals would get ignored at a lower vehicle speed for parking lot driving/etc.) acting as a "sequential shifter" for busa shifter using a pneumatic or linear actuator. Assuming busa knows what gear it's in, you'd make sure it cant shift down past 2. You don't have to limit upshifting because I think busa trans already does that. Does vw trans have LSD? And did Ford ranger diff have LSD? Hope that sparks some ideas for ya!!
@@siciliansoccer55 Regen is just an assumption on my part. It's the EV secret weapon. A freewheeling clutch isn't needed because the motor presents minimal drag when unpowered. The only issue is if you want to keep the electric motor in low gear and go fast, then you could overrev it.
He's probably healed by now.. and just depressed for losing all that company money, and kicking himself. The best thing he can do is get back on that horse and get to building stuff again. Or Rich may have told him to never come back?? We don't actually know.
Excited to see this happen! this is what I initially wanted to do (electrify a FWD car and then add bike engine to the back) before I decided to go with the Leaf starting point. I suggest drive by wire on the ICE to give flexibility of controlling the throttles through one pedal but electronically biasing them. I have my system now where if the clutch is in, the DBW stays at idle engine doesn't rev at all, but when I pull away full throttle EV and then dump the clutch at about 7 mph the ICE gets going. No stress on the bike clutch whatsoever.
Rich I work in the hydraulic industry where we use those "Lovejoy" couplings a ton, I sell a competitive brand from Magnaloy. You likely paid list price for those parts, actual distributor costs are much lower. You probably could have gotten a Lovejoy or Magnaloy coupling set with the exact spline you needed but you have have had to wait a while for it to get made.
I like how he was complaining about having a premade part available for cheap. How much would it have cost him to make those parts himself? A goddam fortune. Commie nonsense.
I have to be honest I check in every week to see or hear about Steven. He was a big part of why I loved this channel and the videos really feel like everything else on here without the chemistry you two have when together
What's happened with Stefan is he no longer on this at all now. Has he left the channel? Is he doing ok after the accident Rich? Hope he is ok🙏 also you guys and your conversations are brilliant.
during his crash, i think he was on Marijuana, because the ambulances people said come with use before they get to you, pointing to the cops, also the car hit someone eles property, as well as the persons car he was test driving so there was property damage as well shortly after rich starting selling stuff off , so there was situation that had to be corrected
Rich k what would be awesome is seeing you get into simple cheap practical ev conversions that most can diy providing info on where we can source the parts we need cheaply and easily .. this will grab a global audience as many in smaller island states like the Caribbean islands can copy your examples and builds .. just a thought . But please keep the content coming
On those Lovejoy connectors I always have to drill and tap for a second set screw that doesn’t land on the keyway. Having a set screw directly on the shaft is the only way I can keep these from eventually walking down the shaft and disconnecting. My experience is not on EV’s but sewer screening devices.
Drill hole for set screw to seat in1/16 of inch or so. Also leave the tiniest bit of slop or replace Lovejoy insert, tight is not right in this case only. Old and been there
Since the EV setup is just for occasional use, I'd mount a throttle lever to the shifter, use the pedals for the bike motor, and use electronic shifters on the wheel for the bike. Throttle on the shifter would also make it easier to float the gears too, as you can just adjust throttle pressure until it slides into gear, and keeping it separate like that will make it less confusing when in operation
They would also had to fabricate custom shifter linkage, because in stock configuration VW 020 gearbox shifter linkage sucks big time. The design itself is fine, though, just needs replacing bushes with bearings and plastic ball joints for proper ones.
Would be interesting to see performance numbers on just the little electric motor before installing the busa, or have a switch to click each motor on and off
I see 2 possible issues: 1) The Lovejoy is going to tear up the set-screw, and make a mess of the shafts... drill new holes for new set screws that extends into the shaft, then tap the hole in the Lovejoy. At the very least, just add secondary set screws on each spider. 2) If the electric transmission is in gear when the 'Busa is doing its 'Busa thing, you're going to be generating way too much Regen Voltage back into the electric motor Controller... and possibly burn it out.
If the battery controller is any good it’ll have protection against that. If it opens the coils during excess regen, the motor should reduce its resistance and stop producing.
Just wanted to say I love the return to the more original style of videos with this and love the concept here. Seems like a challenge with getting the motors to work in sync and not overdrive one on accident. How will you be able to use one shifter and gas pedal for both? Any chance of doing an ev conversion with a full clutch for us weirdoes that like being able to drive with one but still want an EV? (I have a Toyota t100 5 speed with 800k miles and really want to do something like that)
I'm watching youtube channels where they're repairing old Fords and Chevys. All of this knowledge they have about carbies and headers and seals. And all I can think is in 20 years time there's going to be similar channels but for fixing electric cars. There's going to be entire armies of backyard mechanics who know all about commutators and inverters and controllers. Fixing and converting old chassis into EVs. You're ahead of the game by 20 years like a pioneer for these future channels. It's wild.
This Wascally "Wabbitt" is going to be stupid fast, no matter which end is powering it. And if it's AWD, you might want to build a roll cage for it, Uncle Rich. Rich is the local mad scientist we secretly want to be.😁👍
This project is awesome, though I have to ask why you chose to put the Hayabusa motor in the back and the electric motor in the front? Wouldn't it make more sense to keep a gas engine in the front which is already designed to accommodate ICE powertrains (though I suppose adapting a bike motor to FWD has its own challenges) and put the electric motor under the bed since it takes up less space and wouldn't necessitate cutting a hole in the bed? That way it would still be usable as a truck. Still a really cool project and I'm excited to see where it goes! There needs to be more of an aftermarket for homemade hybrids like this, which are much more interesting and appealing than full EV conversions IMO. Also that's the best-sounding electric motor I've ever heard, it sounds almost like an ICE. Why can't factory EVs sound like that without faking it through speakers?
Because the Hayabusa engine is more powerful, and a rear power bias is always preferred over front bias. Also, if the batteries run out of juice, you still have a RWD car instead of being stuck with FWD until they get charged back up, so it'll be fun to drive 100% of the time.
I always wondered about syncing up an electric motor to a manual trans. Also how about to a DSG or CVT? and a comparison of them would be super informative to anyone mocking up a DIY project.
It's pretty standard to do with EV swaps on Beetles, you pretty much put it in a gear and you can change it if you want to, but you can usually leave it in top gear and never touch it due to the torque.. As far as a DSG/CVT, do not forget that electric motors have insanely high RPM ranges and they make peak power and torque effectively through the entire range. The only reason multi-speed transmissions exist is because ICE engines have low RPM ranges and are inefficient in their power delivery, thus you need to make gear ratios that take advantage of where the engine makes peak power. And let's not forget just how fast the Rimac Nivera is without needing a silly multi-geared setup like the Porsche. Really, at most you'd need one extra gear.
@@rustler08False, on a Tesla from 0 to 40 mph it's a flat torque curve then begins to drop roughly cutting in half by 75 mph with a steeper decline onward that gets cut to about 15% to 25% of maximum torque as you get closer to 120 to 140 mph.
@@rustler08 You leave it in top gear due to *THE LOW END TORQUE. At the powerband, IC engines often make more torque than electric motors. Also electric motors do not make peak torque through the entire rev range. The torque starts dropping hard at high RPM.
A long time ago my dad told me the story of a bull that got loose and took residence in a partially wooded, several acre lot in New Jersey. Granted, this happened when my dad was a kid, and 30+ years had passed since. Every time we passed that lot, we'd slow the truck down to 15 mph hoping to see the bull. We knew we would never see this bull, but we wanted to believe it was still out there. What I'm saying is, we miss you Stephen.
Blending the motor and the engine is going to be interesting! I'm guessing you'll have different modes that will vary the motor speed? Would be cool if you have a 'boost' button on top of the gear shift (think 'Go Baby Go') to give you a hit of electric power! :D
Theres a nissan leaf that has a yamaha moter and the guy who made it, made a turning nob that you select how much mix power u want from what motor, i would love to see him also have a mix mode button or nob
I think the solution to the throttle is to mesure the load each engine /motor is at a specific moment. Current draw for electric and whatever is used for gas (boost or something). Servos or digital potenciometers (for electric) for the throttles. For the pedal a pot. The processing would be direct for the pot and constantly driving the outputs to follow the higher. until reaching the pedal value. the reverse switch would make the gas to 0 and just send output to the motor. or some laying around rope.
The really cool thing about Lovejoy couplings is that they have actual data sheets with things like torque and speed limits, spider material properties, stuff like that.
Rich I've done every swap with that transmission as soon as you shift in 2nd the torque will grenade that O2O transmission you should upgrade it to a O2A best of all its cable shifted and will hold over 300tq and the 020 will explore around 150tq +-10
This was/will be super interesting! ❤ Controlling the e-motor could be done using a (micro)controller that knows atleast the following variables: throttle pedal position, vehicle speed, and gear selected for the e-motor 🤔👍👍👍
The other huge question: You're shifting the factory shifter for the EV, how're you gonna change gears on the 'Busa? If it were me, with all that electric torque, I'd leave the VW tranny in 5th, and then have paddle shifters for the 'Busa.
Rich, my 86' Toyota Van converted with a hyper9 and I use the 5speed manual with no clutch either. Just rev matching the up shifts, no downshifts. I use the clutch sensor wire to reduce torque and regen while shifting. 9k miles later and it still works and not glitter in my gear oil.
Wabbabusa! I wonder if someone makes or it's possible to make a hybrid throttle pedal that's both cable driven (for the busa)but also has electronic positioning data that can be used for the electric motor
Use a servo for the Hayabusa gas, and an electric pedal for the E-motor than read the voltage of the electric pedal with a single board computer like a. Arduino and control the servo from that. Really easy to do, as long as you keep a safety margin. anything below 1 volt or over 4 volt on the pedal should mean no speed input, so it cannot runaway when a wire breaks.
To be fair, they are Lovejoy Coupling and they are an industrial product. They are engineered and certified to transmit a specific amount of power for a given application. They are used in applications where human life is directly impacted by their continued operation and or failure. They are actually pretty cheap.
Throttle issue can be solved by using an arduino to read the E-pedal position and actuate a servo motor that controls the throttle on the bike engine. Should be pretty simple and cheap if you know someone that can write the program for you the hardware will cost around $25. This will also allow you to tweak the speed of both motors so they run in unison. Hope this helps love the channel!!
I have been waiting to see someone try and do a Hybrid of some sort, so I'm excited to see were this goes, how it turns out! Love the Saab wheels on there! ;)
As I understand it, the reason more people don't build homemade hybrids is that there's no aftermarket motor controller systems for syncing the two motors. Every system of this sort in production cars is so specific to its platform that it can't really be transferred easily to another car. If there was some kind of universal controller that could easily be programmed to sync up with a gas engine, I imagine there would be a lot more hybrid projects since you get the best of two worlds that way.
@@Thinginatorf you can do left foot breaking, then you can left foot 2nd throttle also 😉 If electronically controlled gear shift on engine it could be synced by controller automatically or manually like paddleshift, but then electric motor should be in same gear to make it easier to do. But maybe the idea it that all of this does not have to be easy 🤔🤓😁
@@Thinginator I absolutely adore the hybrid Leaf covered on SuperFastMatt's channel. The bike engine and leaf drivertrain both use electronic pedals and the dude just put in a dial to modulate how much of the signal gets passed to either. End result is a Leaf that often thinks it is just going downhill and charges via regen. The 12k RPM engine in the back curves the Earth under it :P
@@Thinginator Not really. Any EV controller will work in a hybrid situation -- controlling the ICE should be done via Drive By Wire though to give you flexibility of power blend. Ask me how I know! :)
I think this Build might be my favorite one yet on your channel. I think it’s pretty cool because you got the horsepower with the Hayabusa motor in the back and now you have the torque with the electric motor in the front this thing is gonna rip I can’t wait to see the times.
If you plan on changing gears on the move, that shouldn’t be difficult to facilitate. The rotor in the motor won’t have much more inertia than a conventional clutch disc and first motion shaft and gear set, so you just need a switch to momentarily disconnect the power, so the rotor can spin freely, allowing the synchro rings to match the rpm, as normal, before reconnecting the power and either accelerating or regen braking. Not sure you’re going to need that capability, though. EV motors tend to have torque and power across a huge rev band, so I expect you’re going to pick one ratio and leave it there. Don’t be tempted to run the motor backwards, using the standard transmission, tempting as that would be. The oil won’t circulate and the bearings will cook. I found that out the hard way.
If the electric motor is only run in reverse when reversing the car how bad would it be? Most people don't drive in reverse too much. As for changing EV gears, the best way would be to sense the wheel speed, apply the ratio for the upcoming gear, and then drive the motor to a perfect rev match.
@eDoc2020 As to how bad it could be, the answer is Very. A 500 yd recovery, involving a car stuck in reverse, that I wedged the clutch down in order to move it, destroyed the input shaft and lay shaft bearings. And that was with no drive, just spinning the disc in the wrong direction. An expensive mistake. Yes, of course you’re right about electronically matching revs to the gears. But that’s not as easy to do as a simple electrical disconnect that allows the mechanical box to do what it’s designed to do. It introduces complexity for no practical gain, so probably not worth while. The reality is, with a VW box, the synchros are very strong and for the amount of gear changing that’s likely to be needed, they’ll be well up to the task of letting the driver manually synchronise the revs. I just felt a simple disconnect, perhaps operated by the clutch pedal, would make it more driver friendly.
How much I would love to have had this as a complete playlist and just binge, but this is nice too. Thanks for bringing us along. enjoying what you do.
That "lovejoy" connector looks like a beefier version of the Hyundai steering bushing. People who have to drive on rough roads know how unreliable those are. My son is a mechanic and he keeps those rubber coated plastic star shaped bushings in stock all the time. He has a customer that brings his car in about every 6 mos. to have that bushing replaced. I wouldn't bet $20 that thing is going to last a month in this application... I hope I am wrong. Hopefully Doorman makes a cheap replacement bushing for that too...
So this needs to be a kit for sale. Affordable ish that anybody coupld swap in a weekeend in their mk1 vw. Really be interested in the range on the batteries and whether or not my solar barn could handle the recharge.
This build has me super intrigued 🤔.. reverse front drive, rear 3rd gear burner... possibilities here are making this one seem like a real crowd pleaser... hooni burn yard, cleetus burn yard, my man ! I can't wait !!!
The fact that you're building a hybrid is awesome, but i do have to wonder how the transmission setup is gonna work. Are you gonna have 2 separate trans to control the 2 motors? 2 different shifters? or are they gonna be linked in some way?
The transmission attached to the electric motor can stay in 3rd while driving forwards, and reverse for reversing. When you're driving normally, you'll only be changing gears using the bike engine transmission. That's because the electric motor will work fine from zero to whatever the top speed of that thing ends up being, using only 3rd gear.
I've actually thought about doing something similar to this in my '93 Celica, except reversed. The idea is to use a modern Hybrid Camry Engine, and Electric rear conversion where the AWD setup would have been if I bought a GT Four Celica instead of a GT Coupe. Of course that would require 2 transmissions, but would be the same gear ratios... Obviously still in the snow-balling stage, and only one brain thinking this through
Damn, this was a fun video to watch. I got one of those massive blue 48V 13S8P lithium blocks that lives in a backpack. It's as simple as start wearing it, then the cable runs out and plugs into the eBike. It's rated for 50A continuous service. You get hella range and can pedal with it on the highest gear of the bike around ~25MPH, or run full electric up to 34 (on slight decline). Lets one go "fun" speeds and still exercise a bit.
Ditch the O2O VW transmission. The ratios are intended for the diesel motor The linkage is all lever actuated. If you did stick to a VW transmission, use at lease a O2A with a 6 speed conversion or O2M
Would have loved to see a test drive with just the electric motor! Maybe you can do an electronic drive by wire switch which will automatically Switch the gas pedal over to electric. You would just need to figure something out for the clutch on the Hayabusa. Maybe also a electronic clutch.
For the accelerators, use two, but that can join together whenever need be. Tractors have individually-controlled brakes that work independently, but have a metal bar that flips across them to make them work together. You could do the same thing for the accelerators.
Piggy back an electronic servo to the run hyuabusa throttle. When you dyno the thing, run hub dynos separate front to rear and then you can match one gear to stay in at the front and tune the controller to try and get close to what the Hyuabusa does at the rear.
Hardly a shock that the raffle tickets are under sold. There’s enough evidence out there already to suggest that the EVs are adding to the problem, without any of the usability problems that come as standard with them. Most people are hanging on, waiting for the next thing, whatever that may be, doing their bit for the environment in the meantime by preserving whatever they currently drive. This is looking promising, though. Eco friendly, because using an existing vehicle, also installing a super efficient motorcycle engine for the dinosaur side and epower for low emission zones. And, for the drag strip, presumably both can operate together. How cool is that?
Rich you should make a jet ski snowmobile, a jet ski hull with a snowmobile propulsion system. It would work on water and snow and would probably be a lot more stable on snow than a snowmobile as long as you use a hull from after 2008.
Just so ya know about the price on those lovejoy parts, Steel takes time to mill. It’s not like aluminum. It takes 4x on average to kill steel unless you’re using really expensive tooling and machines. Those parts are probably heat treated to a very specific hardness and toughness. Plus they’re nicely marked and deburred. Those prices aren’t that bad. I’d charge you $250 for each of those if you wanted them one off.
the follow up to the madness here - czcams.com/video/RXPvVMkMFsE/video.html
Rich surprises us all and builds the worlds best hybrid
I want him to make a hybrid where an electric motors directly coupled to a rotaries crank. EV low rev Torque, turbo rotary torque up top.
How about the bike motor just generates electricity, then you could have rear hub motors and the option of smart control.
@@ConspicuousLiveMedia Because running a bike motor as part of a genset hybrid would sound awful, you wanna be able to rev it. The electric motor will just help with the bike engines lack of low down torque.
Oh boy, 2 different manual transmissions on 2 different motors in one vehicle, this is going to be interesting!
One without a clutch. I think “bunny hoping rabbit “ will be it’s full legal name. 😂
@@BudoReflexbikes use sequential gearing tho so might work 😂
@@Zirion123
Yea the sequential at the back will be like a lever next to the steering wheel and the electric motor will just stay in one gear like 3rd or 4th and assist the Hayabusa. It doesn't need to lug the whole car out just aids the petrol motor. Adding 4wd and extra acceleration.
@@vipcresswell, maybe two then. Cause he wanted it for the R.
Climate change is fake.
Rich been hitting the gym or lifting someone else’s kids
Yeah I noticed he's been acting different ever since his sextape with Lena the Plug 😂
Kids? More like someone else Wife...
He’s been taking his creatine hemorrhoids lol
Trt
DEFINITELY others wives..
Rich's list of tools to buy:
1. (Good) Belt sander
2. Step drill bits
3. Water based machining fluid/coolant
4. Cobalt jobber drill bits
5. Contour gauge
6. Horizontal bandsaw
These tools will make your life much, much easier, so you can keep up the great work!
You forgot a drill press!
Hyper tough corded jigsaw/"CNC".
@@williamhayes9642 bro, let me tell you, a regular CNC plasma table is like cheating. I cut parts out of 5mm steel in like 30 seconds with minimal post processing.
what bout basic drill press
@repentandbelieveinJesusChrist4 Brother, you're gonna push people away spamming comments like a broken record.
One way bearing/centrifugal clutch between trans and e-motor so busa can overrun e-motor.
Convert busa throttle body to electric, use drive by wire foot pedal resistance to drive input for motor controller and e-throttle body.
ORRRR
force e-motor speed (compensating for gearing differences) to match busa speed using mag pickup on busa, throttle pedal then only controls busa.
Then for reverse you use vw reverse switch as input for a linear actuator to pull busa clutch in. Also for slow vehicle speeds, you have it also pull in busa clutch.
Make 2nd the lowest gear on busa so then you only have to worry about shifting in one direction depending on if you're up/downshifting.
1st gear only with e-motor.....leave vw trans in whatever gear is ideal for e-motor launching - then when you reach a specific vehicle speed you want to transition so busa takes over, you physically or a linear actuator kicks VW shifter into neutral so it's not a drag on driveline and then busa clutch linear actuator mentioned above let's out busa clutch.
Then you figure out what gear to put VW trans in to use e-motor as electric boost to pass or something...(depending on how you're planning to drive it those might be the same gear).
Then use strain gage on VW shifter only in left/right directions (these shift signals would get ignored at a lower vehicle speed for parking lot driving/etc.) acting as a "sequential shifter" for busa shifter using a pneumatic or linear actuator. Assuming busa knows what gear it's in, you'd make sure it cant shift down past 2. You don't have to limit upshifting because I think busa trans already does that.
Does vw trans have LSD?
And did Ford ranger diff have LSD?
Hope that sparks some ideas for ya!!
A one-way clutch wouldn't make sense on the electric motor because it would kill the possibility of regen.
@@eDoc2020 oh didn't realize he was trying to Regen....that throws a brick into my idea then lol
I TRIED
@@siciliansoccer55 Regen is just an assumption on my part. It's the EV secret weapon. A freewheeling clutch isn't needed because the motor presents minimal drag when unpowered. The only issue is if you want to keep the electric motor in low gear and go fast, then you could overrev it.
@@eDoc2020 over revving was what I was thinking, especially cuz he made it sound like he was using for launch mostly and added weight for traction lol
Hopefully you're doing well Stephen! Sure everyone is anticipating your return and speedy recovery! 💯
Came here for this comment 🤝🏼. Hurry back buddy 💜
He's probably healed by now.. and just depressed for losing all that company money, and kicking himself. The best thing he can do is get back on that horse and get to building stuff again. Or Rich may have told him to never come back?? We don't actually know.
same tho i commented b4 reading these . godspeed mr stevon !
@@calholli lol, no bro... he's milking workers comp
i was thinking the same, hope he's better and back soon
The old diesel exhaust hole in the hood is where the charge port goes.
Excited to see this happen! this is what I initially wanted to do (electrify a FWD car and then add bike engine to the back) before I decided to go with the Leaf starting point. I suggest drive by wire on the ICE to give flexibility of controlling the throttles through one pedal but electronically biasing them. I have my system now where if the clutch is in, the DBW stays at idle engine doesn't rev at all, but when I pull away full throttle EV and then dump the clutch at about 7 mph the ICE gets going. No stress on the bike clutch whatsoever.
Rich I work in the hydraulic industry where we use those "Lovejoy" couplings a ton, I sell a competitive brand from Magnaloy. You likely paid list price for those parts, actual distributor costs are much lower. You probably could have gotten a Lovejoy or Magnaloy coupling set with the exact spline you needed but you have have had to wait a while for it to get made.
I like how he was complaining about having a premade part available for cheap. How much would it have cost him to make those parts himself? A goddam fortune. Commie nonsense.
Where you work
I have to be honest I check in every week to see or hear about Steven. He was a big part of why I loved this channel and the videos really feel like everything else on here without the chemistry you two have when together
I was just wondering how he's doin. Hope we can get an update soon
Probs can't say anything until they settle with the lady. No doubt lawyers are watching these videos too to see what's up with Steven.
@@Batlas what happened with the lady
#moveonfromstevon
The videos are better without Stevon
What's happened with Stefan is he no longer on this at all now. Has he left the channel? Is he doing ok after the accident Rich? Hope he is ok🙏 also you guys and your conversations are brilliant.
Same question … miss him and hope he is ok ❤
lawsuits
It'll affect any pending settlements because lawyers will use anything to get their clients out of paying out.
during his crash, i think he was on Marijuana, because the ambulances people said come with use before they get to you, pointing to the cops, also the car hit someone eles property, as well as the persons car he was test driving so there was property damage as well shortly after rich starting selling stuff off , so there was situation that had to be corrected
@@Autocreatorz lmao what a wild theory
Rich k what would be awesome is seeing you get into simple cheap practical ev conversions that most can diy providing info on where we can source the parts we need cheaply and easily .. this will grab a global audience as many in smaller island states like the Caribbean islands can copy your examples and builds .. just a thought . But please keep the content coming
On those Lovejoy connectors I always have to drill and tap for a second set screw that doesn’t land on the keyway. Having a set screw directly on the shaft is the only way I can keep these from eventually walking down the shaft and disconnecting. My experience is not on EV’s but sewer screening devices.
Server screening devices?...is there a joke there that I missed? lol
@@rmp5s typo, corrected. Sewer.
@@timothybaker8234 Hahaha...got ya. 👍
Drill hole for set screw to seat in1/16 of inch or so. Also leave the tiniest bit of slop or replace Lovejoy insert, tight is not right in this case only. Old and been there
Since the EV setup is just for occasional use, I'd mount a throttle lever to the shifter, use the pedals for the bike motor, and use electronic shifters on the wheel for the bike. Throttle on the shifter would also make it easier to float the gears too, as you can just adjust throttle pressure until it slides into gear, and keeping it separate like that will make it less confusing when in operation
They would also had to fabricate custom shifter linkage, because in stock configuration VW 020 gearbox shifter linkage sucks big time. The design itself is fine, though, just needs replacing bushes with bearings and plastic ball joints for proper ones.
Would be interesting to see performance numbers on just the little electric motor before installing the busa, or have a switch to click each motor on and off
Dude you guys gone a long way. This is impressive for sure. Loving this idea
I hope Stefan is OK and coming back you guys had charm together
He's dead...
to Rich.
😂
@@randomname4726 Missed that one. Care to explain what happened?
law suits
LAWSUIT
I see 2 possible issues:
1) The Lovejoy is going to tear up the set-screw, and make a mess of the shafts... drill new holes for new set screws that extends into the shaft, then tap the hole in the Lovejoy. At the very least, just add secondary set screws on each spider.
2) If the electric transmission is in gear when the 'Busa is doing its 'Busa thing, you're going to be generating way too much Regen Voltage back into the electric motor Controller... and possibly burn it out.
If the battery controller is any good it’ll have protection against that. If it opens the coils during excess regen, the motor should reduce its resistance and stop producing.
@@Jonathan_Doe_ Can also put the trans in 5th gear to slow the speed of the electric motor down and then it should be easy to sync the 2 together
When you were taking that clutch spline out with the hammer, I yelled at the computer, "Where is your butter knife???" lol
Just wanted to say I love the return to the more original style of videos with this and love the concept here. Seems like a challenge with getting the motors to work in sync and not overdrive one on accident.
How will you be able to use one shifter and gas pedal for both?
Any chance of doing an ev conversion with a full clutch for us weirdoes that like being able to drive with one but still want an EV? (I have a Toyota t100 5 speed with 800k miles and really want to do something like that)
It's much like any other e.v conversion but you drive the gearbox rather than direct to driveshaft.
Will Steven ever make a return? Inquiring minds need to know.
His mom told him not to play with Richard because he got hurt the last time. They grounded his ass
He fled to Argentina to escape prison time. We won't be seeing him again
always doing something different from everyone and always awesome videos
I'm watching youtube channels where they're repairing old Fords and Chevys. All of this knowledge they have about carbies and headers and seals. And all I can think is in 20 years time there's going to be similar channels but for fixing electric cars. There's going to be entire armies of backyard mechanics who know all about commutators and inverters and controllers. Fixing and converting old chassis into EVs. You're ahead of the game by 20 years like a pioneer for these future channels. It's wild.
This Wascally "Wabbitt" is going to be stupid fast, no matter which end is powering it. And if it's AWD, you might want to build a roll cage for it, Uncle Rich.
Rich is the local mad scientist we secretly want to be.😁👍
The chassis was designed by Quattro to be AWD ready, is it bullet proof,far from it, but it's more than capable for a torquie little drift set-up.
For your next project I wonder if you could build a Ford Shogun. I saw Jay Leno’s and instantly fell in love with it. Never knew it existed
Great to see you sitting back in your driveway with your Rivian. 👍👍👍
This project is awesome, though I have to ask why you chose to put the Hayabusa motor in the back and the electric motor in the front? Wouldn't it make more sense to keep a gas engine in the front which is already designed to accommodate ICE powertrains (though I suppose adapting a bike motor to FWD has its own challenges) and put the electric motor under the bed since it takes up less space and wouldn't necessitate cutting a hole in the bed? That way it would still be usable as a truck. Still a really cool project and I'm excited to see where it goes! There needs to be more of an aftermarket for homemade hybrids like this, which are much more interesting and appealing than full EV conversions IMO.
Also that's the best-sounding electric motor I've ever heard, it sounds almost like an ICE. Why can't factory EVs sound like that without faking it through speakers?
Because the Hayabusa engine is more powerful, and a rear power bias is always preferred over front bias. Also, if the batteries run out of juice, you still have a RWD car instead of being stuck with FWD until they get charged back up, so it'll be fun to drive 100% of the time.
Is Stefan still a part of this thing?
He fled to Argentina to escape prison time
@@ethanking4954 For what? being too sexy? -- Jokes aside I do wish he'd come back lol.
I always wondered about syncing up an electric motor to a manual trans. Also how about to a DSG or CVT? and a comparison of them would be super informative to anyone mocking up a DIY project.
It's pretty standard to do with EV swaps on Beetles, you pretty much put it in a gear and you can change it if you want to, but you can usually leave it in top gear and never touch it due to the torque..
As far as a DSG/CVT, do not forget that electric motors have insanely high RPM ranges and they make peak power and torque effectively through the entire range. The only reason multi-speed transmissions exist is because ICE engines have low RPM ranges and are inefficient in their power delivery, thus you need to make gear ratios that take advantage of where the engine makes peak power. And let's not forget just how fast the Rimac Nivera is without needing a silly multi-geared setup like the Porsche.
Really, at most you'd need one extra gear.
@@rustler08 Very true I was mostly interested for range extending and maybe if it can reduce the need of larger motors & battery packs.
@@rustler08False, on a Tesla from 0 to 40 mph it's a flat torque curve then begins to drop roughly cutting in half by 75 mph with a steeper decline onward that gets cut to about 15% to 25% of maximum torque as you get closer to 120 to 140 mph.
@@rustler08 You leave it in top gear due to *THE LOW END TORQUE. At the powerband, IC engines often make more torque than electric motors. Also electric motors do not make peak torque through the entire rev range. The torque starts dropping hard at high RPM.
WHERE TF IS STEVE-ON???!!!
Robert D. Jr. already has you fully booked......and NOW you show the hand drill on a wooden pallet!? - 1st class!
A long time ago my dad told me the story of a bull that got loose and took residence in a partially wooded, several acre lot in New Jersey. Granted, this happened when my dad was a kid, and 30+ years had passed since. Every time we passed that lot, we'd slow the truck down to 15 mph hoping to see the bull. We knew we would never see this bull, but we wanted to believe it was still out there. What I'm saying is, we miss you Stephen.
No bull... I love this story.😁
Great to see Rich getting back to doing a proper build. Thx Rich and the crew!
Blending the motor and the engine is going to be interesting! I'm guessing you'll have different modes that will vary the motor speed? Would be cool if you have a 'boost' button on top of the gear shift (think 'Go Baby Go') to give you a hit of electric power! :D
Theres a nissan leaf that has a yamaha moter and the guy who made it, made a turning nob that you select how much mix power u want from what motor, i would love to see him also have a mix mode button or nob
As a machinist it requires a lot of CNC time as well as heat treat and coating. The material is minimal it’s the labor and the machine time
Hope Stevon is back soon so he can be the first to test drive this hybrid!
He fled to Argentina to escape prison time
This is the first I've seen Rich done so much manual labor.
Where is Stephen?
Exactly were is he, haven’t seen him in a few episodes
I don't know how often you have to make adapter plates like that but I wonder if a drill press might not be a good investment...?
I think the solution to the throttle is to mesure the load each engine /motor is at a specific moment. Current draw for electric and whatever is used for gas (boost or something).
Servos or digital potenciometers (for electric) for the throttles.
For the pedal a pot.
The processing would be direct for the pot and constantly driving the outputs to follow the higher. until reaching the pedal value.
the reverse switch would make the gas to 0 and just send output to the motor.
or some laying around rope.
The really cool thing about Lovejoy couplings is that they have actual data sheets with things like torque and speed limits, spider material properties, stuff like that.
Rich I've done every swap with that transmission as soon as you shift in 2nd the torque will grenade that O2O transmission you should upgrade it to a O2A best of all its cable shifted and will hold over 300tq and the 020 will explore around 150tq +-10
This was/will be super interesting! ❤ Controlling the e-motor could be done using a (micro)controller that knows atleast the following variables: throttle pedal position, vehicle speed, and gear selected for the e-motor 🤔👍👍👍
The other huge question: You're shifting the factory shifter for the EV, how're you gonna change gears on the 'Busa? If it were me, with all that electric torque, I'd leave the VW tranny in 5th, and then have paddle shifters for the 'Busa.
Rich, my 86' Toyota Van converted with a hyper9 and I use the 5speed manual with no clutch either. Just rev matching the up shifts, no downshifts. I use the clutch sensor wire to reduce torque and regen while shifting. 9k miles later and it still works and not glitter in my gear oil.
Any guesses why stevon quit CZcams cold turkey after his crash....
Wabbabusa! I wonder if someone makes or it's possible to make a hybrid throttle pedal that's both cable driven (for the busa)but also has electronic positioning data that can be used for the electric motor
you can probably diy something with a hall effect sensor or a potentiometer, depending on the approach
Use a servo for the Hayabusa gas, and an electric pedal for the E-motor than read the voltage of the electric pedal with a single board computer like a. Arduino and control the servo from that. Really easy to do, as long as you keep a safety margin. anything below 1 volt or over 4 volt on the pedal should mean no speed input, so it cannot runaway when a wire breaks.
To be fair, they are Lovejoy Coupling and they are an industrial product. They are engineered and certified to transmit a specific amount of power for a given application. They are used in applications where human life is directly impacted by their continued operation and or failure. They are actually pretty cheap.
Still won't admit Stefon was fired.
Channel is better without him.
At the end of the day it was a work relationship. Would you not fire an employee sueing your ass?
@@anonymouse7074 source?
He fled to Argentina to escape prison time.
Not sure how smart you have to be to pull off builds like these but you are by far the most complex builder of anyone I follow on TY
Throttle issue can be solved by using an arduino to read the E-pedal position and actuate a servo motor that controls the throttle on the bike engine. Should be pretty simple and cheap if you know someone that can write the program for you the hardware will cost around $25. This will also allow you to tweak the speed of both motors so they run in unison.
Hope this helps love the channel!!
19:27 i find it hilarious how a nut just falls out from the engine bay when he revs
I have been waiting to see someone try and do a Hybrid of some sort, so I'm excited to see were this goes, how it turns out!
Love the Saab wheels on there! ;)
As I understand it, the reason more people don't build homemade hybrids is that there's no aftermarket motor controller systems for syncing the two motors. Every system of this sort in production cars is so specific to its platform that it can't really be transferred easily to another car. If there was some kind of universal controller that could easily be programmed to sync up with a gas engine, I imagine there would be a lot more hybrid projects since you get the best of two worlds that way.
Ah a fellow Saab enthusiast
@@Thinginatorf you can do left foot breaking, then you can left foot 2nd throttle also 😉
If electronically controlled gear shift on engine it could be synced by controller automatically or manually like paddleshift, but then electric motor should be in same gear to make it easier to do. But maybe the idea it that all of this does not have to be easy 🤔🤓😁
@@Thinginator I absolutely adore the hybrid Leaf covered on SuperFastMatt's channel.
The bike engine and leaf drivertrain both use electronic pedals and the dude just put in a dial to modulate how much of the signal gets passed to either.
End result is a Leaf that often thinks it is just going downhill and charges via regen. The 12k RPM engine in the back curves the Earth under it :P
@@Thinginator Not really. Any EV controller will work in a hybrid situation -- controlling the ICE should be done via Drive By Wire though to give you flexibility of power blend. Ask me how I know! :)
I think this Build might be my favorite one yet on your channel. I think it’s pretty cool because you got the horsepower with the Hayabusa motor in the back and now you have the torque with the electric motor in the front this thing is gonna rip I can’t wait to see the times.
I'm a simple man. I see content involving Hayabusas, Turbos, VW Pickups, or Rich, I click like. This is all of those things. This is awesome.
If you plan on changing gears on the move, that shouldn’t be difficult to facilitate. The rotor in the motor won’t have much more inertia than a conventional clutch disc and first motion shaft and gear set, so you just need a switch to momentarily disconnect the power, so the rotor can spin freely, allowing the synchro rings to match the rpm, as normal, before reconnecting the power and either accelerating or regen braking.
Not sure you’re going to need that capability, though. EV motors tend to have torque and power across a huge rev band, so I expect you’re going to pick one ratio and leave it there. Don’t be tempted to run the motor backwards, using the standard transmission, tempting as that would be. The oil won’t circulate and the bearings will cook. I found that out the hard way.
If the electric motor is only run in reverse when reversing the car how bad would it be? Most people don't drive in reverse too much. As for changing EV gears, the best way would be to sense the wheel speed, apply the ratio for the upcoming gear, and then drive the motor to a perfect rev match.
@eDoc2020 As to how bad it could be, the answer is Very. A 500 yd recovery, involving a car stuck in reverse, that I wedged the clutch down in order to move it, destroyed the input shaft and lay shaft bearings. And that was with no drive, just spinning the disc in the wrong direction. An expensive mistake.
Yes, of course you’re right about electronically matching revs to the gears. But that’s not as easy to do as a simple electrical disconnect that allows the mechanical box to do what it’s designed to do.
It introduces complexity for no practical gain, so probably not worth while.
The reality is, with a VW box, the synchros are very strong and for the amount of gear changing that’s likely to be needed, they’ll be well up to the task of letting the driver manually synchronise the revs.
I just felt a simple disconnect, perhaps operated by the clutch pedal, would make it more driver friendly.
How much I would love to have had this as a complete playlist and just binge, but this is nice too. Thanks for bringing us along. enjoying what you do.
You need an ECU that can handle a Hybrid throttle going on two directions LoL
That "lovejoy" connector looks like a beefier version of the Hyundai steering bushing. People who have to drive on rough roads know how unreliable those are. My son is a mechanic and he keeps those rubber coated plastic star shaped bushings in stock all the time. He has a customer that brings his car in about every 6 mos. to have that bushing replaced. I wouldn't bet $20 that thing is going to last a month in this application... I hope I am wrong. Hopefully Doorman makes a cheap replacement bushing for that too...
Honestly miss the recorder and the fun banter you and Steven have. Hope he is well.
For reverse don't you have to push down on the shifter before you can put it in reverse?
On some European makes.
So this needs to be a kit for sale. Affordable ish that anybody coupld swap in a weekeend in their mk1 vw. Really be interested in the range on the batteries and whether or not my solar barn could handle the recharge.
This build has me super intrigued 🤔.. reverse front drive, rear 3rd gear burner... possibilities here are making this one seem like a real crowd pleaser... hooni burn yard, cleetus burn yard, my man ! I can't wait !!!
Did Stevon write the ad intros? Feels like Rich is really ramming them in dry today. No buttery smooth finesse like normal.
Where's Stefan?
Argentina
The fact that you're building a hybrid is awesome, but i do have to wonder how the transmission setup is gonna work. Are you gonna have 2 separate trans to control the 2 motors? 2 different shifters? or are they gonna be linked in some way?
Yeah I'm confused.
The transmission attached to the electric motor can stay in 3rd while driving forwards, and reverse for reversing. When you're driving normally, you'll only be changing gears using the bike engine transmission. That's because the electric motor will work fine from zero to whatever the top speed of that thing ends up being, using only 3rd gear.
Loyal sidekick Stephen? C clamp anyone?
I've actually thought about doing something similar to this in my '93 Celica, except reversed. The idea is to use a modern Hybrid Camry Engine, and Electric rear conversion where the AWD setup would have been if I bought a GT Four Celica instead of a GT Coupe. Of course that would require 2 transmissions, but would be the same gear ratios... Obviously still in the snow-balling stage, and only one brain thinking this through
Where is steven?
He fled to Argentina to escape prison.
Where is Steven?
Argentina
Damn, this was a fun video to watch. I got one of those massive blue 48V 13S8P lithium blocks that lives in a backpack. It's as simple as start wearing it, then the cable runs out and plugs into the eBike. It's rated for 50A continuous service. You get hella range and can pedal with it on the highest gear of the bike around ~25MPH, or run full electric up to 34 (on slight decline). Lets one go "fun" speeds and still exercise a bit.
Ditch the O2O VW transmission. The ratios are intended for the diesel motor The linkage is all lever actuated. If you did stick to a VW transmission, use at lease a O2A with a 6 speed conversion or O2M
Any updates on Steven?
Hope you're doing well Steven. That wreck shook me up too. We all hope to see you again, when you're ready, of course.
He fled to Argentina to escape prison time. We will never see him on film again.
Would have loved to see a test drive with just the electric motor! Maybe you can do an electronic drive by wire switch which will automatically Switch the gas pedal over to electric. You would just need to figure something out for the clutch on the Hayabusa. Maybe also a electronic clutch.
Things left to do:
1. Brakes
2. Large brakes
3. The other stuff
Stevon❤
He fled to Argentina.
Such an awesome build.
For the accelerators, use two, but that can join together whenever need be. Tractors have individually-controlled brakes that work independently, but have a metal bar that flips across them to make them work together. You could do the same thing for the accelerators.
Piggy back an electronic servo to the run hyuabusa throttle. When you dyno the thing, run hub dynos separate front to rear and then you can match one gear to stay in at the front and tune the controller to try and get close to what the Hyuabusa does at the rear.
Can we get a Stevon update
You have to reach out to D.N
He fled to Argentina to escape jail time.
does anybody know where stevon is? is he done with the channel?
No one cares
He fled to Argentina to escape prison time. It was on Twitter a few weeks ago.
you need a DROPBOX to align engine and axle. also would strongly advise a dry sump conversion... ask superfastmatt all about that ;)
Never grind aluminum on a grinding wheel. It will clog the pores in the stone, which can cause the wheel to explode. Always use a belt for aluminum.
Hey where is Steven?
Argentina
I miss Steven
Hardly a shock that the raffle tickets are under sold.
There’s enough evidence out there already to suggest that the EVs are adding to the problem, without any of the usability problems that come as standard with them. Most people are hanging on, waiting for the next thing, whatever that may be, doing their bit for the environment in the meantime by preserving whatever they currently drive.
This is looking promising, though. Eco friendly, because using an existing vehicle, also installing a super efficient motorcycle engine for the dinosaur side and epower for low emission zones.
And, for the drag strip, presumably both can operate together. How cool is that?
I have had an idea for a while now for a 'reverse transfer case' (from a 4x4 style thing) to be used for Backyard Hybrid Cars.
This is going to be a great series
What's up with stevon
At 8:18 Rich NEVER NEVER grind Aluminum on a stone !!! It loads up throws the balance off and explodes them !!
brings a tear to my eye seeing that beautiful caddy torn up but really cool build. ive had two rabbit trucks and i really want another!
This is so boring without Stephen. More & more, not worth watching anymore.
I dont concur , i can actually watch now before it was beevus and butthead but not even funny
What happen to steven ?
He fled to Argentina to escape prison time
Rich you should make a jet ski snowmobile, a jet ski hull with a snowmobile propulsion system. It would work on water and snow and would probably be a lot more stable on snow than a snowmobile as long as you use a hull from after 2008.
The nut that falls from the engine bay when accelerating at 19:32 though 😁😁
What happened to Steven?
He died 😢
He fled to Argentina to escape prison.
Just so ya know about the price on those lovejoy parts,
Steel takes time to mill. It’s not like aluminum. It takes 4x on average to kill steel unless you’re using really expensive tooling and machines.
Those parts are probably heat treated to a very specific hardness and toughness. Plus they’re nicely marked and deburred.
Those prices aren’t that bad.
I’d charge you $250 for each of those if you wanted them one off.
Look at those guns at 7:05 Uncle Richie has been hitting the weight room