Top 10 Cards That Were Used in Turn 1 Win Decks

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  • čas přidán 4. 07. 2024
  • By design, the Pokémon TCG is meant to last a couple of turns, much like battles in the video games last multiple rounds where attacks are being traded back and forth. Every once in a while, however, unwanted strategies slip through the cracks because of oversights by the game designers, or simply because of a card pool too big in some of Pokémons’ alternative formats. Today we will take a look at the most influential cards that enabled strategies that could end games as soon as the first turn of the game and how they impacted the Pokémon TCG.
    Script by Rahul Reddy
    Edited by Lily
    The List
    Intro: (0:00)
    10. Honchcrow GX: (0:23)
    9. Shuppet: (3:16)
    8. Machamp: (5:54)
    7. Broken Time Space: (7:48)
    6. Mismagius : (9:40)
    5. Shaymin EX: (12:50)
    4.Latios EX: (13:45)
    3. Forretress: (17:07)
    2. Shiftry: (19:48)
    1. Sableye: (23:56)
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Komentáře • 73

  • @Ivlook
    @Ivlook Před rokem +23

    12:33 Mismagius was not banned in standard until Summer 2020 and was definitely legal after Reset Stamp was released. There was a top 16 deck in Nov 2019 which used both cards.

  • @AnonYmous69271
    @AnonYmous69271 Před rokem +160

    Could you make a video about cards that people assumed would be good based on pre-release info, but ended up being rarely if ever played?

    • @matthewkuscienko4616
      @matthewkuscienko4616 Před rokem +10

      I can think of a few, including:
      *Greedent Vmax
      *Rayquaza Vmax
      *Reshiram + Zekrom Tag Team GX
      *Darkrai V Star (most recently)

    • @munchrai6396
      @munchrai6396 Před rokem +5

      @@matthewkuscienko4616 God, Rayquaza is a funny one. Being able to discard your hand to draw 3 cards on a non once per turn basis still sounds utterly insane to me

    • @Jgreen69
      @Jgreen69 Před rokem +1

      @@munchrai6396 it is once per turn

    • @clairebit
      @clairebit Před rokem +5

      Still recent so I may be proven wrong by history, but Regidrago VSTAR got a lot of hype for standard format and has yet to do anything (which I always knew would be the case haha). At least it’s one of the stupidest cards in expanded!

    • @munchrai6396
      @munchrai6396 Před rokem +5

      @@Jgreen69 It's once per turn per copy, so you can use the ability of multiple Rayquaza on the field similar to how Zoroark was used previously. It's essentially a soft once per turn for Yugioh

  • @DaneeBound
    @DaneeBound Před rokem +40

    Honourable mention goes to the combination of Imposter Oak’s Revenge (a Trainer card that lets you shuffle the opponent’s hand back into their deck and lets them draw 4 new cards, at the cost of 1 card discarded from your hand), Rocket’s Sneak Attack (a Trainer card that lets you shuffle 1 Trainer card from your opponent’s hand back into their deck, at no cost) and The Rocket’s Trap (A card that shuffles 3 random cards from your opponent’s hand back into their deck, on a successful coin toss). These three Trainer cards can absolutely cripple the opponent’s hand, and because they were essentially item cards (supporters didn’t exist when these were first printed), this could all do down on the first turn.
    While this isn’t a donk per se, hence why I don’t think it would be eligible for this list, your only hope to survive such an early-game onslaught is if you hard-drew into a Professor Oak when your turn finally came up (at a ratio of 4 Oaks in a roughly 50 card deck-or worse 4 out of exactly 53 if your bench was empty-that’s some slim odds indeed). Only once Neo Genesis’ Cleffa released was there finally some reliable counterplay to these three hand destruction trainers.
    Pokémon introduced the Supporter classification for Trainer cards pretty soon thereafter in the Expedition Base Set and all prior sets that had these busted Trainers would eventually rotate out of Standard. Nowadays an effect as busted as The Rocket’s Trap and Rocket’s Sneak Attack will never be printed onto an Item card again. And while we have seen Imposter Oak’s Revenge return as an Item card named Red Card, that card would eventually get banned in Expanded.

    • @DKQuagmire
      @DKQuagmire Před rokem +3

      i did this for a time, on the online simulator TCG ONE. I would also combo the trainer card Erika, to draw through my deck, giving my opponent the false sense of security, before suddenly dropping imposter professor oaks revenge, and going for the rockets sneak attack and the rockets trap coin flip. can't remember what pokemon i used in the deck, but i liked to use Misty's Wrath to dig through the deck, and use the promo energy absorption Mewtwo at the end of the turn, to grab back energies i might have discarded with Wrath. same deal with Rockets Zapdos, which grabs a lightning from the discard pile for 1 lightning energy!

  • @munchrai6396
    @munchrai6396 Před rokem +14

    It is kind of insane the variety of FTKs that exist with gen 4 cards alone. Kingdra Prime, Machamp, Sableye and Shuppet, Dunsparce were all running around in the same format. Really happy that these strategies are less common these days, even in expanded because Pokemon really doesn't have many options when it comes to disruption, which makes FTKs even more degenerate than they would be in other card games. My personal favorite of these being Unown Damage, which could move and loop damage till you had accumulated 660 damage across your entire board. Love how indepth the Shiftry section was, as it showed that it was really more the cards around it that broke a very mundane coinflip card

  • @malachihill8677
    @malachihill8677 Před rokem +11

    You could have mentioned Jirachi Ex, who was used with island challenge amulet and N. Remember it vividly when amulet released and got it banned.

  • @kaseywahl
    @kaseywahl Před rokem +8

    So I just built an app to help players better understand what is and is not Expanded-legal on Pokemon TCG Live, since the format is different on Live than in paper, and the Live client does a TERRIBLE job telling you what is and is not legal in Expanded and why.
    As I was writing the ban list logic, I was asking myself why a lot of cards were even there (Oranguru, Red Stamp, Mismagius). Now it allll makes sense, haha.

  • @nicholasfoster6768
    @nicholasfoster6768 Před rokem +11

    Always nice to see the history of the game.

  • @mikespoerl2558
    @mikespoerl2558 Před 8 měsíci

    Huge fan! Really cool that your going into multiple tcg’s

  • @machina5
    @machina5 Před rokem

    Great video Rahul and Lily

  • @sealette4888
    @sealette4888 Před rokem +4

    I love these videos about the history of the TCG, really glad i found this channel. Only thing that i dislike is the reading out of all the attacks and abilities on a pokemon. i feel like it would be better if you just explained the things that are important to the video for time's sake, the card is on the screen to read anyway

  • @Kostyurik
    @Kostyurik Před rokem +6

    Pheromosa GX is a better version of Latiox EX, because grass type in TCG can hit something for weakness (dragon can't) and it can utilize Beast Energy.
    Marshadow GX and MewMew GX can use Pheromosa GX turn 1 attack with their ability.
    It's remain the one true DONK in Expanded.

    • @gnoite
      @gnoite Před rokem

      Not necessarily, some lists run diancie prism which makes marshadow deal 20 more damage, matching pheromosa damage output when copying latios
      And recently an actually quite consistent donk deck appeared: dialga donk (a combination of electrode GX, dialga v star, Cyrus prime, scramble switch and Giratina & garchomp tag team) you can see the full list in the expanded section of the deck section of limitless TCG play

    • @Kostyurik
      @Kostyurik Před rokem

      @@gnoite I know this deck, I lose to it in two or three different 8-person Tournaments on Pokemon TCG Online. However it isn't true DONK, because it can't with on first turn

    • @gnoite
      @gnoite Před rokem

      @@Kostyurik true

  • @juli10ize
    @juli10ize Před rokem +1

    I would add welder to the list. Nice video!

  • @MemesNSuch
    @MemesNSuch Před rokem +1

    I use to love donking Nightmarch with Latios

  • @MaidenOfAir
    @MaidenOfAir Před rokem +1

    My favorite of 1st turn win decks is GO Lunatone/Solrock. Just so fun, even if it doesn't get the first turn win

  • @EnpatsuShakuganLover
    @EnpatsuShakuganLover Před rokem

    Sabldonk was one of the most unique types of donk decks. It offered so much variety and even late-game power depending on the SP pokemon you decided to build around with the SP engine outside of the Crobats, Poke Turns in case of missing the donk. SP Sprays could keep the opponent's setup crippled even if they don't get donked from having more than one basic out. I loved playing Sabldonk with Garchomp C and Blaziken FB. Even got a 2nd place on a State Championship with it.

  • @GaybrohamStinkton
    @GaybrohamStinkton Před rokem

    Best artwork, most unique interaction(s)

  • @Ehtis1
    @Ehtis1 Před rokem

    I used to use a Latios Donk deck all the time, it was amazing

  • @clownworld3382
    @clownworld3382 Před rokem +1

    It's crazy to think that all those lockdown, handloops and OTK shenanigans are considered extremely unhealthy when in Yu-Gi-Oh it became the norm since many years now

  • @haidynwendlandt2479
    @haidynwendlandt2479 Před 7 měsíci

    That Sableye card is the specific reason why me as a child realized that Pokémon in general can be strong even if they don’t seem strong. TheJWittz’s Top 10 Pokémon video included a shoutout to Prankster Sableye and Overeager Sableye as Pokémon that brought him a lot of success in competitive Pokémon games and I was like “WHAAAAAT”

  • @jshtng78
    @jshtng78 Před rokem +2

    "Thanks to cards like Broken Time-Space not being designed for a format like that at all."
    No, I think the card was deliberately designed to teach players that this type of format should never come close to the game.

  • @DKQuagmire
    @DKQuagmire Před rokem +1

    nothing beats a good Wailord/ Unown win. there are currently 2 Unown cards on the ban list, and for good reason.
    one Unown wins you the game, if you have like 30-40 cards in your hand. while the other one wins you the game, if you have like 66 damage counters in play. with cards like reuinclus, you can damage swapping to your wailords, while abusing magmas secret base and scoop ups etc, to build up the damage! incredibly rogue, but so so funny if you pull it off!

    • @MISSINGNO.3
      @MISSINGNO.3 Před 9 měsíci

      I tried and couldn't win in unlimited maybe someday 😅

  • @GeneralGunkRat
    @GeneralGunkRat Před 7 měsíci

    Meloetta in fusion strike was great for donks because it could do 210 damage turn 1 with Else's Sparkle, additional damage with power tablets and amazing draw support with Genesect EX. Although since there there was no way to attack 1st turn going 1st, this wasn't technically a donk deck, but it was a great donk option for a deck that was great in it's own right

  • @JusticeWllBSrvd
    @JusticeWllBSrvd Před rokem

    I would like to see a video about the Ban List for Gym Leader Challenge.

  • @GargantuanBreadfruit
    @GargantuanBreadfruit Před rokem +2

    I only played casually as a child and didn't even know first turn wins were a thing in the pokemon tcg 😮

  • @ThePikachuKingRJ
    @ThePikachuKingRJ Před rokem

    Oh god, I had three of those Machamps in my gen 4 deck, and it made so many of my friends rage...

  • @DualKun
    @DualKun Před rokem

    ah yes i remember those days of shaymin ex and super scoop up. the banes of my existence.

  • @runningoncylinders3829
    @runningoncylinders3829 Před rokem +2

    TOW Decks? I like that name so much better than "FTK".
    Not fond of the style, feels more like it oughta be debug testing for a TCG than showing how you can play solitaire.

  • @99Fishing_
    @99Fishing_ Před rokem +2

    Naming my kid Chip-Chip Ice Axe

  • @eightcoins4401
    @eightcoins4401 Před 5 měsíci

    You make me want to play TCG again

  • @MarioPikachu626
    @MarioPikachu626 Před rokem +1

    Where in XY did Pokemon TCG become YGO? So many bans.

    • @TheForeverRanger
      @TheForeverRanger Před 8 měsíci

      Most of these were from the Expanded Format because Honchkrow GX and N were never standard legal at the same time. N rotated out in 2018.

  • @puudles
    @puudles Před rokem +2

    12:50
    Wasn’t roaring skies from xy?

  • @sablesalt
    @sablesalt Před rokem +1

    Including shay is really pointless, may as well include bicycle, acro bike, ultra ball, etc. As those are also used but not key to what is done.

  • @surayouthphuksawattanachai9057

    Where was tpci when mew vmax deck was released

  • @MrCandeiasjr
    @MrCandeiasjr Před 7 měsíci

    Diamond and pearl era allowed you to actually play any cards on Turn 1

  • @danielborg6411
    @danielborg6411 Před 2 měsíci

    Ah yes Latios ex secret my first Ex

  • @snakesmartyt4433
    @snakesmartyt4433 Před rokem

    Shaymin EX every time, huh?

  • @SaviorSwords
    @SaviorSwords Před rokem

    Why isn't this video known as "FTK Enablers"?

    • @benjamingrove47
      @benjamingrove47 Před rokem +3

      FTK isnt really a term in Pokémon TCG

    • @DKQuagmire
      @DKQuagmire Před rokem +1

      that sounds like something a Yu-Gi-Oh player would say.

  • @AnonYmous69271
    @AnonYmous69271 Před rokem +5

    Also, I just watched through the video... and you are very obviously missing Porydonk in this list. Porydonk is unquestionably the most powerful turn 1 deck in the history of the TCG. It is hilariously consistent. And the only thing you mentioned in relation to it was a small blurb about Seeker...

    • @benjamingrove47
      @benjamingrove47 Před rokem +3

      BTS is kind of representing it on the list

    • @sablesalt
      @sablesalt Před rokem

      "Unquestionably" lmao sableye is literally better at it by far and the only viable deck in unlimited but ok

    • @MISSINGNO.3
      @MISSINGNO.3 Před 9 měsíci

      Sadly not very good anymore attacking just to slow

  • @honxiu
    @honxiu Před rokem

    oo-xie😅

  • @PhoenixJules
    @PhoenixJules Před rokem

    waus

  • @austinjordan8308
    @austinjordan8308 Před rokem

    mfw this channel isn't named The Oak Logs
    mfw I have no face

  • @bronze_stonks2268
    @bronze_stonks2268 Před rokem +1

    man do you know that that is xy not black and white? you keep saying black and white in your videos

    • @boxkid759
      @boxkid759 Před rokem +1

      What are you talking about. Some cards here are black and white era

    • @bronze_stonks2268
      @bronze_stonks2268 Před rokem

      @@boxkid759 are you stupid bro? he said"Black and white Roaring Skies".

  • @coolporyg0n
    @coolporyg0n Před rokem +1

    fun video, but i feel like it’s being held back due to the lack of proofreading or research in the script, or oversights in the editing and recording.

  • @abesapien9930
    @abesapien9930 Před 10 měsíci

    How do any of these cards create a turn 1 win? You failed to provide even one example. I doubt any of these cards could take out 6 basic Pokemon or 3 ex/V Pokemon on turn 1.

    • @TheForeverRanger
      @TheForeverRanger Před 8 měsíci +2

      With Honchkrow GX, you could effectively end it turn 1 by making your opponent unable to play. You can use cards like the aforementioned Mismagius in combination with Reset Stamp to get your opponent low on cards in hand and then use Honchkrow's GX attack to put them in top decking mode.

    • @abesapien9930
      @abesapien9930 Před 8 měsíci

      @@TheForeverRanger Ok, thanks for offering some ideas.

    • @icephoenix174
      @icephoenix174 Před 7 měsíci +1

      Also, you're forgetting that you can only bench the pokemon you start with in hand. This means that most people will only have 1-3 pokemon on the bench before their first turn. And 1 is the common etiquette nowadays so usually 1 KO wins the game.

  • @TheBros2theend
    @TheBros2theend Před rokem

    Jesus Christ loves you