Can the UK enforce a ceasefire in the Middle East? | LBC debate
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- The Cross Question panel debate a question from caller Miles, who asks, 'Can't the UK enforce a ceasefire?'.
0:00 Caller Miles puts his question to the panel
1:57 Alicia Kearns says the UK 'cannot force' anything
3:03 What difference has David Cameron made?
4:36 Andy McDonald: The UK has a 'historical and legal obligation'
5:29 Israel is 'in breach' of international humanitarian law
6:30 Alicia Kearns and Andy McDonald debate the UK's role
7:44 Joe Twyman: UK and US can't force Israel to do anything
9:27 Janet Daley had 'no doubt' Israel was going to go ahead with Rafah invasion
11:11 'You're never going to eradicate the ideology of Hamas'
13:54 'The way Israel is choosing to prosecute is making us less safe'
18:29 Alicia Kearns on the UK's sale of arms to Israel
The panel from left to right: Andy McDonald, Janet Daley, Alicia Kearns, and Joe Twyman
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LBC lost it's credibility when they sacked SANGITA
BRING BACK SANGITA!!!!!
@@user-hm6kl6qo4xnot even a word either. From either.. which means they sacked her and prob gag ordered her.. LBC; leading banning and censorship
Why can’t they invite a Palestinian rep to this programme with these guest. If you invite a Zionist then it’s fair to invite a Patestinian too
Lbc dont have permission from their IDF bosses.
Ashley Tabor-King has banned pro palestinian voices and pro palestinian presenters from participating on LBC.
Absolutely, if this was 1943 LBC would be having endless debates about anti German prejudice in the UK and how Germans interred on the Isle of Man were “feeling”.
Ashley Tabor-King has banned pro palestinian voices and pro palestinian presenters from participating on LBC. No L. No C.
Unfortunately they believe that all Palestinians are terrorist and member of Hamas which is not true.
1. Cut all deplomatic ties.
2. Place full arms embargo.
3. Put sanctions.
4. Arrest and trail all those returning from commiting and had part in this geno.
5. Recognise state of Palestine.
6. IAEA inspections, with non-compliance resulting in exclusion from the UN
Thank u exactly 👍
They would if Israel was a black African country
@isay7003
That's the perfect list of what the U.K will not do to their Jewish landlords.
👏👏👏👏👏 also please add number 6 from the replies
Cut all ties , sanction all settlers
They banned 5 settlers. Thats all they can do 😂
Friends of Israel won't let that happen
@@MarkDenmark-nz2pz Do you class all of Israel as settlers?
@@pauliewalnuts100 no , but the problem is al Israewli is agreeing what the illegal settlers doing in WestBank.
Sorry I meant to post that comment to the OP.
This was never about the hostages
This was never about equailty of lives either.
The plan was always to push them into Egypt and take Gaza for themselves.
Can you please explain then why Israel has consistently given up land for peace
1. Sinai to Egypt
2. Gaza to Palestinians in 2005 as per the 1967 border. Removing all Jews from Gaza.
Please explain
@@waterworrier "Following the peace agreement reached between Egypt and Israel in 1979, the Sinai Peninsula was returned to Egypt and demilitarized under the terms of the agreement."
Being returned and being given up are two different things lol Likud used to literally use 'from the river to the sea' as a political mantra.
"Gaza to Palestinians in 2005 as per the 1967 border. Removing all Jews from Gaza."
You mean give up illegal settlements?
Egypt don't want the palestinians. Nobody does, ask yourself why.
@@waterworrier read the Geneva conventions my friends and stop pretending to be ignorant.
@@waterworrierland that wasn't theirs in the first place?
How can LBC have any credibility as relevant and not Israeli tools after Sangita . James last man standing no guarantees
Where's Sangita? LBC has been captured by Israel lobby. LBC = Lost Basic Credibility!
If James O'Brien had credibility, he should resign at LBC shutting down Sangita
Send in Nato to protect civilians
@@xbotolop Agree although quite a few NATO boots on the ground supporting Israhell since Oct.7 Many UK/Fr/Ger/US fighting for IDF 300 000 USA Illegal Settlers (Gold Rush of the wild west repeated 2023 Oil & Gas Rush)
James said he wishes she'd come out and say it was her ratings?? @@xbotolop
LBC are hypocrites. Where's Sangita? Just came here to give my thumbs down, i don't watch LBC vids anymore.
Sangita is in Qatar , getting her cheque from the Hamas mafia bosses
Raising your voices UK is not enough. You can do many things don't tell us there's not much you can do. UK have been enabling the gen side.
@@mckoz523 Don't look a gift horse in the mouth! If the whole world was raising their voices like i am, we would not have problems like this. Its the people who are not talking that you should be getting angry with.
@@user-us4km4je9uWhat are you saying that the British government bears no responsibility. Explain yourself.
@@mckoz523 LOL...where do you get that from? i'm saying i'm on your side.... but you just seem to want an argument with anyone... why don't you go shout at the traffic or something.
Don’t say neither side, Hamas agreed with ceasefire but its Netanyahu that is saying ‘No to ceasefire’ so the reality UK an US should force Israel to accept the ceasefire.
Hamas agreed their own deal ...........with fellow radical islamists in Qatar and Egypt
@@bigbinji6145The CIA director was included in the deal, the US were guarantors. Also hamas agreed to release all hostages in the first phase. According to israelis that what they wanted but we can clearly see they never cared about the hostages just like when they executed their own people holding white flags
@@bigbinji6145the media are ignoring this truth
Where's Sangita? Were her questions a bit too difficult?
We have Feltz instead, what a joke!
Get rid of James O Coward, Ferrari and Fogarty. All IDF apologists.
Yup
Bring back Sangita
She should start her own CZcams channel. I'd subscribe to it.👍
cut diplomatic ties. cease all economic assets. the bombing would stop
the US would never allow the UK to do that. don't forget who your superior is
Imagine being this ignorant.
Won't happen, Israel is a European colony.
The only way. How can you justify carrying on with normal relations when a country goes well beyond the pale?
if you cut all ties, remove all connections, and cease all economic trade, then Israel won't care what you say at all. The brinkmanship may make you feel better, but there is far more power in stating that you are holding (not stopping) economic trade.
Where is Sangita? You're fraudulent LBC
No one knows or cares..
@@vincentblack7467you are VERY wrong, Israeli
Stop shipping arms and sanctions would do a lot
Evil is as evil does. Child killers.
Hamas agreed to the deal, it was Israel who refused it.
A deal is not agreed and planned by the same side. You don't agree to your own deal.
@@user-po8cf5rp6q That is correct, but not relevant. The deal that hamas has agreed to was put forward by Egypt and Qatar.
Israel wrote that deal x) they proposed it, Hamas accepted it, and then Israel shrugged their shoulders
@@user-po8cf5rp6qthe deal agreed to release all hostages in the first phase but we can see israel doesn't care about them. They just want to get rid of the Palestinians and take their land as they have been doing the west bank long before 7th october even though the Palestinian authority recognized israel in the Oslo accords but bibi admitted to sabotaging it to take all of Palestinian land
The deal was coming from Israel itself,endorsed by its ally the US....Hamas agreed n called Israel's bluff ...it was Israel who don't want any ceasefire nor the 2 state solution... netanyahu admitted that so many times
The idea that you can’t force a country to follow international law is ridiculous. It’s always possible unless it’s isræI. You look at the difference of tone and action between Russia and isræI, and suddenly the hypocrisy is as clear as day.
Israel is already abiding by international law. Hamas is not.
If this was any other country there'd be talk of regime change by now.
@@jittmet7766 Israel has been violating international law for years. This is just the latest chapter in their book of war crimes.
Well said 👏👏
Clown alert @@jittmet7766
We have a Zionist in the house surrounded by undeclared Zionists. What an objective discussion
Stop of all supply of weapons to Israel
What about the 'appalling egregious crimes' that have been committed against the Palestinians for decades??
That’s antisemitic how dare you shame on you argh 😡
Why aren’t they any Palestinians on the panel
You can put sanctions for God's sake. You are choosing to allow this conflict to continue without actually doing anything other than speaking.
Not even speaking... Not. Even. Speaking.
Don’t worry when this is all over (if it ever is) we will get bombarded with adverts to holiday in Tel Aviv….
There is no rules based order. Only the powerful make the rules and the weak abide by them. Sickening 😡
Yes, but Israel is not powerful, it purely exists because it begs like a pauper to the USA.
Well said 👏🏻
...The notion of international law and morality is over. In fact it only existed in name only. The Military Industrial Complex ( MIC) and a cadre of US Diplomats are in charge..
That's not the case anymore just look at what's happening in Ukraine Russia were being goded by the NATO clowns we have threatened China with sanctions against companies and individuals it hasn't worked
Boycott LBC. Unsubscribe and no likes. Bring Back Sangita
You will get over it!! One day I hope...
Is Janet for real when she argues that Israel can frame its campaign on Gaza as 'liberating the Palestinian people from Hamas'?
I'm no fan of Hamas, but you seriously think the Gazans are going to forgive Israel and treat them as their saviours once/if this is all over?
12:56 .... Just when I think she might say something sensible, she says Israel is fighting _for the West_ against Iran.
Let us be clear, _all of the West_ is NOT IRAN'S ENEMY ! Just as I am against the Mullahs who run over their people in a theocratic state, I do _see_ that Iran is vilified _only by America and UK_ .
Iran has no quarrel with 3 of the P5 . And I say this as an Indian.
16:07 Again, misleading (/lying through her teeth.)
Look at her nodding *_in agreement_* ! 17:19
I think the same as you.
Yeah the level of gaslighting is insane. Was listening to an Israeli guy who was explaining how his father is by no means an extremist but says everyone needs to be killed because of the legitimate fear of retribution. Have they forgotten Palestinians are cousins of almost all neighbouring countries. Do they not think emotions are high regionally wide? That this has just planted the seeds for guaranteed future war. Just to save Netanyahu? Don't think so. Was listening to another Israeli yesterday talking about the deep cognitive dissonance in Israeli society and schism of being that is costing them dearly. He fears there's no way back.
Sadly none of the commentators ignore the occupation, apartheid system that’s in place in Israel
No such thing. Only in Arab countries.
@@jittmet7766 the UN calls them "occupied Palestinian territories" and "illegal settlements" for a reason!
Where is Sangita ?
Having a cup f tea in the garden, who knows?
Literally. Nobody. Cares.
Get rid of James O Coward, Ferrari and Fogarty. All IDF apologists.
The zionist lady forgot to mention that the likud charter rules out a 2 state solution
Tories have signed an agreement with Israel giving them full backing.
A "roadmap" contract of complicity.
Labour too
Where is Sangita
Look at what lbc has put iun her place...
@flickthenick LBC is a joke.
Cleaning her house? No idea.
Get rid of James O Coward, Ferrari and Fogarty. All IDF apologists.
Ashley Tabor-King has banned pro palestinian voices and pro palestinian presenters from participating on LBC.
I love the way these people make no mention of what’s been going on in Gaza for years prior to October 7th
And the west bank.
Or how the Palestinians had demonstrated peacefully for years against the decades of injustices perpetrated by Israel but all the got for their efforts was Palestinians were killed or injured in the several hundreds.
The awfull part when she said Palestinians refugees are terrorists that's why Egypt won't accept them !! And none reacted or replies to her !!
Can you imagine somebody saying that Oct 7th was an effort to liberate the Israelis from the Netanyahu government??? This old lady should not be allowed to voice her opinion on national media.
UK enforced no fly zones in Libya, Syria, Iraq and other countries. To say we cant do that on Israel because "we are not a colonial power" is laughable. UK would rather enable colonisers like Israel.
She says "every country respects him" about David Cameron. Which is funny, because I really don't think the UK does after what his government and party has done to this country.
I could count on one hand how many countries respect him, and I could count on two hands how many countries respect the UK now….The damage our politicians (on all sides) have done to this country is going to felt for decades to come.
Why are the Tories so adament about continuing to sell arms to Israel? If our supply to Israel is as tiny a proportion of UK arms sales or Israel arms purchases as the Tories are saying, surely that's an even bigger argument for cancelling any supplies immediately.
If we stop selling arms every time a client uses them, before long no one would buy them from us.
@@johnrussell3961 I can't say that's at the top of my biggest concerns or priorities, but it does underscore the fundamental issue with the arms industry. That said, there are examples of relatively 'ethical' arms sales, in comparison to what we're seeing with respect to Israel right now.
When know we don't even have enough for our own protection against Russia
Do you not realise how powerful the Jewish Lobby is in the UK? Do you not realise that Jeremy Corbyn was pushed out as the leader of Labour by the Jewish Lobby? The majority of politicians in the US receive donations from AIPAC the American Jewish Lobby and I would safely say that many politicians in the UK do as well. Money talks in politics.
@@t.dmytryshyn2615you are no doubt aware of the CFI and the LFI. A disgrace..
They told the world what they were doing from the start. Why are we surprised
If they can't force them, why backing them up.
Let me correct you janet Daley:
1st: Hamas accepted 2 states solution and they openly said : we want this war to end based on that we have a clear commitment to a 2 states solution based on 76 borders and east Jerusalem as the capital of Palestine. Its Isrealie government and all its ministers refusing the idea of independent Palestinian state.
2nd: the caller mentioned what happened on 7th October, but you are failing to mention what happened prior to 7th Oct for 75 years.....
Jewish temple was there 6000yrs BC Judaism has long history and very diverse religion,i support Israel and Palestine
@@Conner.YorkshireRichmondmajority of Israelis from Europe & the US have zero link to the land. The Palestinians are actually the direct descendents of some of the first Jews
Canaanite the ancestors of the Palestinians have been there 15000 years. Besides it’s Israel who is occupying Palestinian land under international law. It’s Israel who won’t accept a 2 state solution or make it 1 state Israel and give the Palestinians equal rights…. If Israel won’t accept that, then what are they offering the Palestinians for peace, Israel hold all the cards and all the land.
After Sangita’s incident, LBC has lost integrity.
No L or C in LBC anymore.
The argument that if U.K stops exporting military components that will not have an impact is ridiculous. That action will be recognised by all countries and will apply enormous pressure on U.S and Germany to follow. Stop talking and actually do something!! I have the feeling if this was a European country we wouldn't be having this debate😩
Of course it would be different as they are white like us…..
You are choosing to allow it to continue, you could stop aiding and arming them and also sanction them!
It takes a single major country to start demanding a ceasefire, and the rest will have to follow.
You demand with actions, stopping weapons transfer to Israel, and applying other kinds of pressure.
UK can't enforce a ceasefire, but it can do heck of a lot, which it is not doing.
Dale talking about a ceasefire on both sides as if there is any symmetry between Israeli firepower and hamas whatsoever.
Haven't heard of many buildings in Tel Aviv being flattened by Hamas in last 7 months.
That's because instead of having an iron dome or bunkers to protect their own civilians Hamas billionaires spent all donated aid on building tunnels under every home, school and hospital etc, and hide amongst their own innocent children. Hamas was elected to govern Gaza in 2006, however, have declared that their own civilians are the responsibility of the UN, whilst at the same time declaring that they will deliberately facilitate the deaths of their own innocent children by using them as cannon fodder (martyrs). Even parents are refusing to take their own children to safety and are choosing to martyr them.
"We cant force israel to do anything": Yea? well why not fking start with saying, you need to stop this now. Has any UK leader said this? No... So she can stop with the "we cant do anything" bs
She is wrong. Hamas statement of 2017 states that they would accept a two-state solution.
She is a liar. The rest of the world needs to unite against the west. We are being ruled by fanatics.
Hey - how dare you accuse LBC of listening to both sides? The L and C are now completely silent.
They lie a lot.
"We are not living in the colonial era anymore" ...😂😂😂
“That woman” is NOT spot on!
You are not listening..
My daughter was asking me how the evil looks like ,i just showed those people here
You can start with sanctions on every single thing.
Shameless @LBC @Tom_Cheal on sacking @SangitaMyska for being a honest reporter with integrity.
Got a bafoon of a replacement with this loud mouth and shameless as well - almost perfect match!
PEOPLE SHOULD NOT LIVE IN BY THE STEALING OF ANOTHER'S LAND FOR PROTECTION.
shameful to let go of Sangita
No one knows or cares anymore..
Bring back Sanguita please!
Where’s Sangita LBC?
We haven’t forgotten btw
Why uk are keeping helping israel with armament? Why don't rgey condem israel ? Of course uk can do something if they really want to? That's the minimum they can do
Are you lost in your World? Who do you think controls your country?
You are delusional.
The arms Israel sell to UK is far bigger than what the UK sells to Israel.
UK government are told what to do by their corrupt paymasters. Rishi and Sir Kid Starver are both on the payroll.
Only if it’s approved by our leaders in Washington…
It runs way way deeper ! Israel are firmly embedded in western politics ! Lobbee groups working overtime last six months ! We have all seen and heard some terrible things since Oct 7th ! Hamas were rightfully condemned ! Now has anyone heard one condemnation aimed at israel ? I have never heard one since the mid eighties .
Hand wringing while sending weapons, still Britian did set up Israel where its currently located, what could go wrong.
Look at him. Neither side 😂😂😂.
It can be stop within an hour if UK and USA wanted to. Please don't listen to their designer words.
The old lady is an old fashioned colonizer.
Victorian style 😂
US and Britain could stop all arms exports material and technical assistance to Israel.
Hamas had accepted a ceasefire. Israel never listens to a single word the UK says. What about sanctions/boycott/international isolation against Israel?? As with Russia/Syria/apartheid S Africa, for the same crimes.
Why did you get rid of Sangita?
Because she's smug arrogant condescending person that's why I think..
Ashley Tabor-King has banned pro palestinian voices and pro palestinian presenters from participating on LBC.
No one can stop the Cult,
as the Cult does what the Cult wants.
it's just wrong that we are not allowed to criticise the Cult...
How about the occupiers (Israel) getting out of Gaza
Can't believe what this old lady is saying about why the neighbouring countries won't take Palestinian refugees. Why should they make it easy for Israel to ethnically cleanse Gaza which is what they ultimately want when these countries already host millions of Palestinian refugees because of Israel displacing them
That’s nonsense what do you mean there is no Solution there is nothing complicated here. Hamas has accepted a deal and they have accepted a two state solution
Sanctions need to be placed on them
Hamas have agreed to a ceasefire, haven't they? It's Israel that's not agreeing. You need to identify the problem before you can find a solution.
There's lots you can do, you can sanction them and ban arms sales.
Where is sangita myska
Ibiza on holiday? No idea.
Playing on the m1.
You could stop sending weapons to Israel and have trade sanctions against the government, not just the settlers. Also, unilaterally accept a palestinian state. So stop saying you can't do anything. That would make them time to rethink their strategy.
All this is a load of Sh*t...everyone on here is on the side of israel...LBC does know how to do a balanced conversation...but I get that's the point
All the interviewees seem compromised! Peace in the region is only achieved by extracting the foreign entity!
Simple solution: Establish an independent Palestinian state on pre-67 borders. This should not be left up to Israel. Israel has consistently ignored international law with the settlements since 1967. If the UK joined other countries in imposing sanctions against Israel until these demands would be met.
Did you send arms to Russia to help against Ukraine?
One minute she’s talking about how the UK has been a leading voice in stopping an invasion of Lebanon, then she says the UK can’t possible stop Israel from invading RAFAH.
These people are the real reason people are dying.
Iain Dale 🤡🤡🤡🤡🤡🤡🤡
Its a whole circus with the lbc coward presenters.
I'm afraid Sangita won't be back, but presenters stand or fall on listening figures. Don't tune in to the ones who rise your hackles. I won't be listening to Feltz and I don't listen to Ferrari amongst others.
Only James is left now and he is more subdued and self censoring than before.
UK can call for sanctions.
How can people set and say lies without blinking an eye and the host just sets and listen without challanging. Either he is complesit or that much ignorant
..This was NEVER about getting the hostsges returned.. No One not even the US can force stop this tragedy ..
“We’re not living in the colonial era” tell that to the Israelis because they along with the western governments seem to think we are. Oh and the resistance has said they agree to the deal on the table.
But nobody say that Israel could've killed the hostage by their bombing.
Bring back sangita
Why????
I was disgusted with Israel (and America who fund and support them) before the October attack which was itself clearly horrific. But what has happened since is beyond words.
Cry about it
we support who we want
Strange the lies from that old lady. Egypt came out clearly and explained why they wont let palestinians in. Its because israel will never let thbem come back to Gaza
“We are not living in the colonial era anymore”
…someone tell Israel that 2:00
How can you have a debate on a question which is answered by the word 'no'? Bring back Sangita.
They done that in Iraq,Serbia and Libya
You could stop selling them weapons instead of just lip service
People keep talking about a two state solution. Please, tell me where the borders of a Palestinian state would be? Are you suggesting dismantling the thousands of illegal Israeli settlements? This would cause a war in itself. If you consult the Palestinians (what a thought, but one which doesn’t seem to have occurred to anyone.) A one state solution with everyone with equal rights, is what they want - although it will take years of re-education on the Israeli side.
It's not unreasonable, if Israel wants peace over colonial expansion, for them to actually punish settlers that break Israeli law (never mind int law).
For Palestinians to accept peace they would need an offer from Israel. An offer of equal laws, equal rights and security.
If Israel doesn't make serious moves to condemn it's own extremists, it's settler violence, it's laws differentiating Jews, Israeli Jews, African Jews and Palestinians, it's seige on Gaza, it's illegal wall.... then why would the Palestinians expect anything other than what they've faced since 1948.
I understand the paranoia that grips Israel. Surrounded by enemies. But they are the power there. The Palestinians can not trust the international community to protect them. All they know is the colonial Israeli state. They will fight the only way they can until Israel gives them a reason to reject terrorists/freedoms fighters.
Whether Israel can't or won't is up for debate. But they don't do anything like try to find peace. Those who have tried to find peace have been assassinated. There's extremists on both sides but we struggle to accept that Israelis can be extremists!
Israel will not accept a one state solution with equal rights since the whole objective of Zionism is a Jewish ethno state. The Palestinians would outnumber the Jewish population.
The presence of settlers in the W Bank does not prevent a two-state solution. It would mean that the Israeli government and IDF would no longer have control there and the replacement government would be democratically elected by all - Palestinians and settlers. If the settlers do not like the new equal rights administration, they should be allowed to return to Israel.
So, going by your analogy. I'm coming to your house tomorrow and I'm taking it. If you complain I'll play my expired victim card. The name says ILLEGAL SETTLEMENTS.
The Right question IS that DOES IT WANT TO IMPOSE CEASEFIRE ON BIBI?
Where is award winning journalist sangita???
Ashley Tabor-King has banned pro palestinian voices and pro palestinian presenters from participating on LBC.
Couldn't watch past the presenter's first counter-question: 'How do you enforce a ceasefire that neither side has proposed?'
Such pathetic and complicit disingenuousness.
LBC have no credibility.
The moment she mentions Egypt and others not taking the Palestinian Refugees I switched off. Someone needs to remind her that the West turned ships back that had Jews on board during WW2. Some of us learn from history.
The Uk can't enforce anything, it simply lacks the clout on the international stage. It can, however, grow a spine and help other nations persuade the USA to rethink its policies. On top of that, the Uk can't begin the process of cutting diplomatic and economic ties with Israel.
No the "1st chapter" of this is not 7th October, it is 1948 when Israel started the process of kicking Palestinians out of their homes and stealing their land - and which has carried on til the present day (zionism)
Thank you. The zionist project was started in the late 1800s.
DO I CONDEMN HAMAS ? Only in the same way I would condemn the French Resistance for the way they opposed their brutal occupiers! History has judged the French people as Heroes.
Publish the Legal advice. We PAID for it its our RIGHT
Did she really say after we've all witnessed this debacle that we 'don't live in a colonial era anymore'😂😂
Why is the language used against Russia so much worse when their actions are a fraction of those of Israel
Israeli government must of sent her a paycheck before this interview 🤔