Should Israel be at Eurovision? LBC callers debate
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- As thousands lined the streets of Malmö city centre to protest the decision to include Israeli singer Eden Golan in the Eurovision song contest, James O'Brien and Nick Ferrari hear from callers expressing their views.
Israel was permitted to compete this year after agreeing to change the lyrics of its entry, which was widely understood to include a reference to the Hamas massacre on October 7th, 2023.
Among those protesting Israel's inclusion was Greta Thunberg. “It is outrageous that Israel is allowed to participate”, she stressed. “We cannot remain silent during a genocide.”
01:08 - Caller Peter tells Nick Ferrari that protesters should be demonstrating 'against Iran, instead of Israel'.
03:10 - Caller Martin says to James O'Brien that banning the protests would essentially translate as 'saying we think Israel is wrong'.
06:41 - Caller Zac - 'Gazan people have been living in an open prison for 75 years so they have every right to stand up and fight back.'
08:04 - Caller Bella tells Nick that Israel are 'essentially committing war crimes', adding they 'should be held to the same standard as Russia'.
09:48 - Referencing George Galloway's recent comments, caller Paul says that he’s 'proven that there are a lot of people on the Palestinian side who are homophobic'.
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You got rid of one of your best presenters in Sangita. Shame on you, LBC.
Exactly that. When is LBC going to actually address the reasons for Sangita's dismissal. We all want to know the facts. 👍
@@Super_Lancashirethey won't, they just leave James OB to spout nonsense about conspiracy theories on the Internet... by not being honest they're allowing these theories to flourish
Bring back Sangita.
I thought she's on GB News now.
@ThomasKing Mrs King will be getting jealous!
Yet Russia, that is actually a European country, is disqualified from participation.
Ukraine should be, NOT Russia
Yes, ~25% of the country exists within the European continent. 25%
A large percentage of the Russian population lives in the European part of Russia. How big a percentage of the Israeli population live in Europe?
Totally different situation altogether.
@@stobeszx9674 why is it different!
WE want SANGITA Back !!!
Sangita is gone 🎊🎉
@@mogznwaz FREE the world from you!🥳
No, we really don't.
Couldn't stand that woman and most people felt the same which is why she had such low ratings and that's why she was let go after her contract ended.
Silly sangita simps.
Why Israel in a European song contest- its in the middle east for heaven sake, secondly Russia was disqualified for similar reason so why are the double standards
antisemitism is illegal ,russophobia is not!
Ukraine wasn't attacking Russia before they invaded. Also Australia isn't in Europe either. 🤦♂
It's very easy to find out why Israel has every right to be in Eurovision. Maybe do a little research.
@@deryck-kr2tlblame it on "democratic" West, who for the last 200 years have demonized Russia and labeled them "permanent enemies"...because Russia was the ONLY major world power who couldn't be conquered or colonized by the western imperialism like Africa, India and China were...
@@darrenb3830Then Australia shouldn't be in there either
Israel is not even in Europe
@anish You've just realised that?
Haha exactly
Israel is from Poland
@@hasaabdi7199lol although it's not funny it's sick
It has nothing to do with geography. Israel is a member of EBU and EBU is in the pockets of Lobbyists 😡
😂😂😂. Pro-Israeli caller is simply nuts
Standard
They all are
You, the Hamas fanboy is simply nuts
Totally barking…
@@AZBCDE hahaha
hasbara troll found
Where is Sangita?
Fired, look it up.
@@Dynasty1818 for making an isreali official look like a fool
Piers made an Israeli official look like a fool. Still on talktv..
Canceled by LBC.
@@fadiel-turk5654they make themselves look like fools
# SANGITA # real journalists!!!!
Very funny. She was a propagandist, child.
Bring back Sangita, LBC isn't the same since she left.
Who would ever have expected Nick Ferrari to agree with Russia's exclusion from Eurovision but not hold Israel to the same account?
Russia was banned from Eurovision so should Isreal. Bring back Sangita!!!!
Difference is 🏴 loves 🇮🇱
We don't care about Hamas land in Europe we stand with Israël ❤❤❤🇮🇱🇮🇱👏👏🇵🇹🇫🇷🇫🇷🇫🇷
We're not allies of Iran, we don't sell Iran weapons or give them aid. That is a big difference.
Iran actually get money from the west.
And Iran is an Islamic dictatorship.
Israel is a modern democracy.
To compare the two is crazy.
Who "we"?
It's not a big difference, it's a HUGE difference.
Since when has Iran been part of Eurovision?
you would be shocked to find out who the UK sends weapons too.
Where is sangita? Can she take nicks place?
No, that's not how firing someone works.
No chance
They need him someone with a pea size brain for the masses not an actual journalist who did her job
Why Sangita Myska was sacked for making Pissrahelli spox look like fool when in fact he is a fool.
so why was Russia disqualified??? double standards clearly
because the situation is different. Rewatch and please initiate your brain
@@AZBCDEanyone who believes all the lies and propaganda spread by Israel would say that...maybe start reading some history books and you might learn something
@@ns_peace and anyone who believes all the lies and propaganda spread by Hamas would give that response….maybe start reading some history books and read what happened on the 7th October you might learn something ✌🏾 FREE Israel, free the hostages
@@ns_peace and anyone who believes all the lies and propaganda spread by Hamas would give that response….maybe start reading some history books and read what happened on the 7th October you might learn something ✌🏾 FREE Israel, free the hostages
@@ns_peace and anyone who believes all the lies and propaganda spread by Hamas would give that response….maybe start reading some history books and read what happened on the 7th October you might learn something ✌🏾 FREE Israel, free the hostages
Boomer Nick Ferarri "its only a singing competition", well if thats the case, israel won't mind being taken off this year. He is entirely out of touch
Why is Israel competing in an European contest? Everybody knows Israel is not in Europe, it's in North America!
I think Israel are "Honorary whites".in this case. I know Australia are lobbying to be entrants to it. Make of that what you will.
Australia isn’t in Europe either
But they are considered as a white country!
@@mogznwaz Colonised for so long it just as well might be.
😂😂😂😂
What a downgrade from Sangita!
When I saw the video of the nine year old Palestinian girl with her kegs amputated, crying "give me back my legs," I realised Palestine had to be free.
Same with the other video of 4 kids walking down a dirt road hit by a missile, for being kids walking down a dirt road.
Just shows how easy it is to manipulate people.
You are a simpleton if your global and geo political opinions are based on such things.
You want to see what Hamas did to Israelis?
How's that an argument?
And what do you mean to "free" Palestine? How that suppose to work? Where is "Palestine"? Which borders? What type of government will they have? How will lead this country, a jihadi Islamic dictatorship of Hamas? Because they are the popular group by Palestinians. Do you wish for another Sharia law state in the world?
When Israel left Gaza, they choose Hamas. Freedom comes with responsibility, time to face up to it instead of playing the victim.
@@user-xu5vl5th9nso you saying 5 year old kids deserve these consequences today.... I could make a come back about the Holocaust but you might get triggered, and I can't be bothered
so you are angry with the Gazan army invading Israel on October 7th for no reason .............I am too
Not one mention of banning Israel from the event because of Apartheid? Israel need to be shunned from every multi nation event across the world because of Apartheid, that was one of the greatest weapons used against South Africa?
Israel should not be in Eurovision
Wrong.
@@mogznwazRight she should be banned.Russia is why did she have to change the words.Lbc are so biased .Free Palestine 🇵🇸.
@@DianeD862 Jewish Rabbi ~ Josef Antebi ~ Exposing Zionists, even after being tortured by them ----- you tube video.
As member of the EBU they can participate. They have been a member for 60 years.
$$$$$$$
Don't the pro-Israelis realize how ludicrously they sound?!
Indoctrinated from birth......
12 points from the Brits to Israel. We remember those who went to the NOVA festival and never came home.
@@jrhartley4819 because eurovision is a reflection of society as a hole......
Treat Israel like Russia.
Why, did Ukraine attack Russia? No they didn't
@@MrPatch25because israel have been attacking palestine. Israel is actually thousand times worse because the number of decades they occupy palestine and the number of innocent casualties.
@@MrPatch25 I know right, How dare the Palestinians try to exist! What a crime!
Israel is a vibrant democracy.
Russia is a dictatorship.
@@MrPatch25clearly israel is russia in this case and they are thousand times worse because of decades of illegal occupation and the number of cvilian casualties.
BRING BACK SANGITA
It should apply not only to Israel but to ALL COUNTRIES SUPPLYING WEAPONS TO ISRAEL
👍
It‘s a song contest. Get a grip. Don‘t watch if you don‘t like it.
@@erikamustermann6783Yup . Just a song contest . So why is Russia not allowed totake part in just a song contest ??
@@annfrancis6287 why don’t you google it, if you don’t follow the news. Russia has invaded another contestant‘s country and has been sanctioned by the EU (amongst others) and has resolutions against it by the UN. There are also travel restrictions for Russian Nationals. The EBU is a broadcasting union. It does not nor should it judge the actions of another country. It has to react to an embargo though because those are legally binding.
Sangita was one the best journalists LBC had. Most of the others are self-obsessed mouthpieces for the establishment, incapable of holding active war criminals to account
Why are they talking just about eurovision. Russia is banned from every competition, same standards should apply to everyone
If you put aside the Russia argument for a second, I think we are still asking why are THEY even in the contest? They're in the Middle East for pitty's sake!
You don't need to be in Europe to be in it. For goodness sake the amount of people who won't even do a modicum of research is getting very tedious.
I agree and I have always felt angry that Israel is in it in the first place. I hate Eurovision anyway
You are totally clueless, aren’t you? The EBU is the organisation producing the event. Israel‘s public broadcaster has been a member for 60 years. Thus they are allowed to take part.
@@erikamustermann6783 Nope Isreal - still NOT in Europe! Clueless aren't you?!!
@@erikamustermann6783 then why tf do we call it Eurovision? Even Australia taking part? Make it "white-vision", makes much more sense that way!
The LBC hosts saying "it's just a TV event", would've been against banning apartheid South Africa from events.
The hypocrisy is unreal. Plain to see.
Must have a sad life to have kept watching Eurovision since 1978.
The first caller didn’t know what he was talking about.
War crimes are war crimes who ever does It 🤔
But the chosen ones think they can get a free pass
@user Even Hamas...or is that stretching things a little too far for you?☺
Where is Sangita? Journalistic imperiality and freedom is the hallmark of every democratic country. Not to mention the fact that no foreign country or its interest should affect the job security of a birtish citizen in their own homeland.!!!
Bring back Sangita!!!
Why is a country from Middle East participating in context in Europe…pls make me understand. Na wa o
Origins…
@@BocaoZso it’s a European settler colony
@@BocaoZSo they are Europeans? I thought they were semitic? Make up your minds
Because the EBU is producing it and Israel‘s public broadcasting service has been a member for 60 years.
@@zegbe Semetic are brown to dark skinned people.
Ferrari says he doesn't understand how anyone could compare Russia's invasion with Israel responding to October the 7th. Well maybe because it doesn't on october the 7th. Russia invaded Ukraine in 2021, israel invaded in 1948 and has since been an occupier of the Palestinian land. So i suppose you couldn't really compare the two. Because israels atrocities started almost 80 years ago!!!
Israel didn’t ‘invade’. You people really just make stuff up as you go along don’t you
You must have never visited a library or an unbiased source of information on the internet.
@@eddiecalderoneWhich book are they - the ones published by the Israeli lobbyist 😂😂
@@adriftinaboat3452
Israel was attacked by its neighbours the day after it declared independence. Israel was victorious and managed to push back the opposing armies, gaining control of territory while fighting a defensive war.
The logic applied to Israel should then also apply to Russia.
Total bs. Two different situation. That's such a fallacy. Show your real colors and say you hate Israel because you are a bigot. Don't hide behind Russia-Ukraine war.
Ferrari is actually revolting
In every sense
He will be the judge of that.
The israeli singer said some unhinged stuff on Israeli TV about Gaza. Its another reason Israel shouldnt be in it this atm.
@Tara And you're desperately impartial!
@@chatham43 you either support an apartheid or dont no impartiality about it
@@chatham43you get off seeing kids mutilated -get help
Where's Sangita?
Israel should be banned from Eurovision.
Nobody wants to hear 'Boom bang a bang' all the bleeding time 💣
Yes yes yes
@robert And you're not a puppet on a string. You can think for yourself!
Btw.Where is Sangeeta Myska?
Should also be banned from Olympics and Football
From the world
Israel is not in Europe, simple as that.
Actually, no it's not as simple as that.
I still can’t believe they have excluded Russia from this contest and allowed Israel , a country that isn’t in Europe. 😮
@chailat Another Sherlock!
Where is award winning journalist sangita?
It's really not a singing contest. The voting is almost always political.
This didn’t start on October 7th the Festival attendees were literally metres away from people living in squalor and deprivation, existing under apartheid rule.
You have 26 Muslim countries what aprthide, they gave no government they get everything from Israel
First they say, this euro vision event is not political event and israel should not be banned. then they say, Russia is banned because they committed a different type of political action but its based on its political action.
Izzi have been committing war crimes since the beginning
This feels like a dystopic world to me right know. Scenes straight out of a horror movie absolutely bonkers
Ferrari will never get it. btw. Where is Sangita?
Where is Sangita, bro?
There is a question mark over what happened on the 7th and the truth but all I am hearing from LBC presenters is a fear to absolutely stand against what is happening in Gaza , its quite disgusting and cringeworthy, we want Sangita back she had the courage to hold Israel to account and push for the truth
@nicholson Absolutely agree. No footage. Everyone has a phone. Why was nothing filmed on
October 7th?
That man saying about having a boot on your next for 75 years is absolutely right. I know for a fact that British people wouldn’t like being in that position and would definitely fight back.
Ask Ireland about boots on necks.
No they wouldn't and they don't.
Israel 🇮🇱 and Australia 🇦🇺 two settler colonies of Europe, that’s why they have been included in Eurovision 😂😂😂😂
If you ban Russia you have to ban Israel, and if im not wrong i think the same contestant used to represent Russia in 2014 but now Russia can't participate so she is representing Israel.
The fact you compare Russia and Israel, shows you have no clue.
@@oleggold Elaborate, please?
@oleggold No clue of what they both have committed human rights violations, it's not my opinion it's facts.
@@Getit.433
Which violations were made by Israel?
Let's hear it.
@@oleggold Human rights were violated, both by deliberately denying civilian refugees healthcare, food & water and by deliberately killing civilians.
There's a whole case about it at the ICJ right now, FYI.
Where is the sangita
I might be a bit rusty on my geography when last time I checked Israel was not a European country?
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As soon as I knew they weren’t banning Israel. I knew I’m not watching this year I don’t have much but I’ve bet on Israel at 35/1 and if they win I won’t watch it next year and my winnings will be getting denoted to Medical Aid for Palestinians.
With so many boycotting because of Israel’s entry, imo, primarily pro-Israel people will watch and will skew the votes towards them. Could be because people just think she’s the best, but I doubt it
@@its-siilvy Oh there's no doubt I'm part of a boycott that gives Israel a bigggg chance of winning but I don't care. It will cause more drama for Eurovision they could of avoided and they've raised a little money for a Palestinian charity to!
@mitchell What if you lose. They get nothing?
@@chatham43 Then Israel don't win :). I still have a DD to MAP so I donate a bit every month.
What happened to sangita, unsubbed
"It's just a massieve tv event". Then why ban Russia.
If they hadn’t barred Russia, then there may have been a point. But the precedence has been set. They shouldn’t have been allowed to participate.
We don't know the russian singer's political affiliations either. But we still ban Russia.
Israel is Middle Eastern. Eurovision is an European event.
Eurovision isn’t political. That’s why they have entries for political reasons ,and ban others for polical reasons.😂
Its what happens when you're so desperate to deflect cricitcism that you bring in the ridiculous.
Answer the question!!! What would you do after being oppressed for 75 years!!!
The audacity of adding them why is this a categories of inclusion.
This Israeli singer is singing political song and should be banned.
The most powerful protest might be for the audience to remain silent after the Israeli singer's performance in the final. Thereby showing no particular personal disrespect to the singer herself (i.e. not 'booing' her), but at the same time making about as strong a statement to the EBC as it's possible to do.
I wholeheartedly support this approach, although the problem is that the broadcasters would still feel inclined to dub a cheering crowd track at the end of the performance, as they did during the semi-finals.
I don't particularly care for booing this performer. As much as I abhor what Israel is doing right now, I feel bad for the singer. That said, only by booing, and essentially 'drowning out' whatever type of track the broadcasters dub over the audience response, will the audience's opposition be recorded.
West have no shame, no humanity either.
"If somebody got their foot on your neck for 75 years, what are you going to do"?
A perfect question, one that does not get answered.
Meanwhile we celebrate those Jews who revolted against the OCCUPATION of NOT-Z and fought back.
And what about the Israeli athletes entering the stadium for the opening of the Olympics?
Australia have been voted out Nic get your facts right.
Hearing "October the 7th" as a justification for war crimes is getting tiresome. Atrocities are not justification for atrocities - the oppression of Gazans does not justify October 7th. October the 7th does not justify collective punishment of an entire population. All peoples have a right to defend themselves but they SHOULD be held to account for HOW they do it.
Israel currently stands in defiance of an ICC interim ruling. The suspension of arms shipments and disqualification from international events is wholly appropriate.
They are not in europe but strange country from middle East partcipate in European football as well
If you would not be a muppet and read some history, you would understand why.
They should change the voting system from voting for the winner to voting off countries. Then you'd find out pretty quickly what people really think.
Unfortunately, if this applied to Russia, I think it's fair that it applies to Israel.
Russian constestant may not support or approve of the invasion of Ukraine as well.
I don't think it's honestly a clear cut black and white moral area, but the rules must apply to everyone.
This is all on Bibi and his government, it's not the contestant's fault.
Why you think it's fair to apply it to Israel as well?
Did Russia respond to an attack by a terrorist organization and is suffering for 2 decades from rockets on their civilians for 2 decades with thousands of rockets each year?
Sounds like you're comparing Iseaeli democracy apples to Russian dictatorship Oranges.
The only rule: no rules. Crown the Witch!
I really don't get the " Euro-vision is non political" argument for Israel being allowed to participate. You just cant equate it with Russia not being allowed to compete. you either are a-political and have both or stand up to war and have neither.
Both have killed tens of thousands of civilians
Both have committed war crimes
Both are using civilian access to basic human necessities as a means of conflict
Both target civilian infrastructure
Both act with disregard for civilian lives
Both don't practise adequate press freedoms or free speech
Both are causing the enduring displacement of millions of people
Both frequently lie to justify their actions
If you're being a pedant
Russia's war is one of aggression where as Israel's is (at least initially) defensive against Hamas, but that is the dumb since Israel has killed hundreds in the west bank, and that isn't Hamas controlled and they carry out strikes in foreign countries (also not Hamas controlled). The net of a defensive war can only be cast so wide before it is a meaningless statement.
Personally I think there should just be a rule that: a nation cannot compete if they are being investigated for war crimes in an ongoing conflict.
Many viewers dont justify what Hamas did on 7 October, but this does not mean we cant understand Hamas. This is like asking Russian soldiers in 1944 to respect german lives.
We do know she supports the war. That's why they had to change her lyrics. They shouldn't be allowed because Russia weren't allowed. But we aren't selling weapons to Russia
Booing or banning the Israeli contestant is the least harmful political action while having more of an impact than protests.
Should Sangita Myska be allowed to challenge an Israeli spokesperson without losing her job?
I wouldn’t represent a country that is committing a jenny so therefore they should ban the contestant along with the country
No no double standards - also not for Israel!
If Russia is not in it then Israel shouldn’t be either stop with the double standards.
There's a distinct line between supporting Hamas and making a point that what they did is no surprise.
It shouldn't even be on the map...
No! And Sangita should be back!!
George Gaway has proved that if you take someone’s words out of context, you can make them look however you want them to look, especially when the out of context words are amplified by mainstream media 🙄
Neither Russia nor Israel should be denied if Eurovision was neutral and independent of politics.
Russian athletes have been barred from competing in the Olympics for god's sake!! And here we are saying Israel shouldn't be barred from Eurovision!!
You decide whether it’s important to LBC but you can’t decide wether it’s important factually to the outside world.
WHY IS ISRAEL IN EUROPE CONTEST ISRAEL IS NOT IN EUROPE IF ISRAEL IS THERE THEN KENYA AND VIETNAM SHOULD BE THERE AND MAYBE NIGERIA
If Russia is not allowed while being in Europe, than why can't Israel be banned. Israel is in middle East.
A occupied Country has the right to Ristance, for liberation from apartheid from their barbaric oppressors
Fine, don't ban her but absolutely let people protest as loudly as they want.
Eurovision should be boycotted anyway with or without israel for crimes agsinst music, fashion and cool.
It's not fair that Russia is not able to participate. It's like bullying
I can’t listen to this nonsense to long I just come back here to remind LBC we need Sangita back! I guess she was the only one strong enough here to speak her mind!
Nick says why ban Israel 'its just a signing contest, in the next breath 'Russia must be banned', c'mon man its just a signing contest.