TOP Atheists BEST Arguments Against God. How Bad Are They?
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- čas přidán 24. 07. 2024
- 0:00 Introduction
1. 6:23 We Are All Atheists
2. 24:46 Religion Only Exists Through Indoctrination
3. 33:10 Atheism Is Instinctual
4. 48:06 Religion Is Desperation
5. 1:00:58 The Problem of Evil
An atheist offers what he sees as the best arguments against God. I admit ahead of time that this is mostly low hanging fruit. But I also would say that this sort of atheist reasoning is so prevalent that it needs to be addressed. That being said, this stuff is pretty bad. I want to offer a breakdown of this atheist's article which is perhaps a pretty serious commentary on some of the problems in pop-atheism. All in all there are 4 really bad arguments and 1 really tough one. I'll try to get to all of them but when I did this for my small group yesterday I was only able to get to the first four. We'll see how it goes.
This video is in lieu of the Mark series which will pick up in TWO weeks.
Link and more links to stuff you probably want to see
The original article I'm responding to is here owlcation.com/humanities/Top-...
The Kalam Cosmological Argument (this is so thorough and simple it can be used in line at Disneyland or in academic debate) • One effective way to s...
A teleological argument from the design in the universe presented by a physicist.
• A Cosmologist Explains...
A playlist of videos going deep into a moral argument for God by one of my favorite people, William Lane Craig. • Moral Argument for God
The argument from beauty (and yes, you should take this more seriously than you do) • Why Beauty is Powerful...
A ridiculous amount of evidence for the resurrection of Jesus presented by two historians • 2 Top Historical Schol...
To show the unity of the Bible here is my Jesus in the Old Testament series. I think this is a very strong cumulative case for "unity" which is best explained by inspiration. • Evidence for the Bible
For parents wanting to teach their kids critical thinking, here's a resource on Natasha Crain's blog for Christian parents. She not only teaches you to teach your kids to think critically, she teaches you to think critically as well. natashacrain.com/
Extraordinary claims don't require extraordinary evidence. Seriously, let's think critically about this slogan. • Do Extraordinary Claim...
A great resource for the problem of evil is Clay Jones' book "Why Does God Allow Evil". I'm giving this to you as a book instead of a video as I honestly think it's going to be more helpful to read this one instead of casually watching a video. This topic is tremendously difficult and the patience and thought that reading invokes is going to serve you well as you process it. www.amazon.com/dp/B07117FSWD/
My website BibleThinker.org
Time Stamps:
0:00 Introduction
1. 6:23 We Are All Atheists
2. 24:46 Religion Only Exists Through Indoctrination
3. 33:10 Atheism Is Instinctual
4. 48:06 Religion Is Desperation
5. 1:00:58 The Problem of Evil
during an old testament history there are people who do not believe in God, they say "there is no God, God did not exist, they called them athiest. What is God response on them. Psalm 14:1 the fool hath said in his heart, There is no God, they are corrupt, they have done abominable work, they are not doing good righteousness. God said the athiest or people who said "there is no God, God said they are insane or mentally ill person. because they do the horrible evil they want to do. They are people without fear to do evil and they are doing worst those who believe God. The Bible testified that there is a God, there are many characters from the Bible Moses and the prophets and the deciples and apostles as an eye witness testified that there is a God the creator. In the old testament. Man has directly communicate to God they heard the voice of God from heaven one of those Moses. Moses who wrote the the book of Genesis the creation and the 4 penteteuch book up to Deutoromy. God Command to Moses to write the book of scripture God dictate written by his hand Exodus 24:4 God Yaweh said to Moses wrote all the word of God. Moses is eyewitness all evidence that there is a God by performing sign, wander miracle and supernatural phenomenon that no one could do this only a God creator. God Yahweh of Israel is a true God among all the heathen God idol of all nation that cannot move, nor save their heathen idol god. Exodus 14:21 Moses as eyewitness saw the supernatural power of God the water from the sea split out and divided by strong whirlwind and the sea divided became a dry land road wherein Israel walking by to escape pursuing Egyptian. When the Egyptians crossed a dry land sea to attack Israel God folded the sea to bring back a natural and many Egyptians drowned and died. This is the evidence that God of Moses is true. Exodus 7:14-24,Moses saw how God make the water, the river, the stream and the sea turned to blood, Exodus 9:23,24 Moses saw God Command the lightning and the thunder to flush down to the earth and it rain a big block of cube ice, Exodus 13:21 Moses and Israel saw that God send a pillar cloud at the day, and and pillar fire at the night from heaven as a guided of Israel the the direction of location the way they should go. aside from these God Command to rain the fire from earth, God Command the land and mountain to be shaken, God Command the sun not to be light and the whole earth to be darkness, God Command the wind to make whirlwind storm, these were the evidence God is exist and God create all things in heaven and earth seen and unseen, living things and in living things all God created. These were all written by Moses in the book of Genesis How God created every thing by means of his word spoken. not only Moses but also all the prophets in the old testament prove that God exist by means of God supernatural power phenomenon and they heard the voice of God communicate from them. The prophet wrote the scripture that God Command them to write by their hand. Jeremiah 20:2-4 The Lord God said to prophet Jeremiah wrote the book all the word of God spoken to you. Habakuk 2:2 and the Lord God said to Moses write the vision and make it plan on the tablet.
The Bible says in other words, that we are all Theists. Lol That is why the "Atheist" Communists are without excuse. If they didn't know God existed, then they wouldn't be guilty. The universe proclaims His glory. They just hate Him and His commandments. It exposes them. He exposes them. Praise Jesus Christ, my Lord and God.
Atheism is ignorance.
☆ If God does not exist, why are the prophecies of the holy book and the prophecies of the Prophet Muhammad proven true?
☆ how could a systematic universe, created by explosion.
1. Obviously there are prophets' graves
2. The Quran is scientifically proven
3. Syarifudin ibrohim from Taznia is proof that Islam is a 100% true religion
- he is from a Catholic family, refuses to be baptized, memorizes the Koran and 5 languages from a young age without learning (miracles)
4. Religion with evidence and reason, not lies
5. Clean yourself from arrogance, hatred, love of the world, doing bad things. (humans must die)
- all scriptures say god 1
- Islam means submission to God, God 1
- Islam is recognized by the holy book, namely the Quran Surat Ali - Imron verse 19
- just say yourself islam, don't belong
- I am Muslim, explanation of aqidah = ahlus sunnah waljamaah by ...., explanation of fiqh by ...
- don't divide the manhaj. By becoming Islam means following all the prophets, prophet Muhammad, Jesus, Buddha, Brahman, the companions of the prophet and the pious people.
@@general9625 I would recommend Islam Critiqued's YT channel. If you want, I could tear apart your arguments for Islam 1 by 1.
@@general9625 The god of the Qur'an (allah) is deficient in the great-making attribute of love since his love is conditional. If a being is deficient in any great-making attribute, that being cannot exist as a maximally great being (God).
Can you explain to me how allah is forgiving and merciful? According to the Qur'an, you have to cross As-Sirāt and retaliate against other muslims in order to reach paradise. This is a means of "purification".
As-Sirāt is the narrow bridge above hell which every person will have to cross before entering paradise. While you're crossing As-Sirāt you will be scorched by the flames of hell and hooks will grab out parts of your flesh; you will only be recognizable by your "marks of prostration". After muslims cross As-Sirāt, "they will be stopped at an arched bridge in between hell and paradise where they will retaliate upon each other for the injustices done among them in the world..." (Sahih al-bukhari 2440).
“You had an unthinking Christianity and then you went and moved to an unthinking atheism, through slogans and bad reasoning.” This was me. I was raised in the church and started doubting. Slowly I sought out answers online and over time became an atheist, I thought that everyone around me was a fool for going to church and believing a lie. I hated God and I wouldn’t admit it. Thank you Lord for: • opening my eyes to the reality of you • breaking my hardened heart and helping me each day to Your truth. Moral of the story, people doubt, so if you doubt, it’s normal. Just reach out to believers in your church who have been where you are and don’t be afraid to express your feelings. Going online is risky and pray to God to show you His truth, to answer your heart AND mind questions.
@Lon Spector your Calvinism is showing
@Lon Spector Romans 10:14 - How then shall they call on him in whom they have not believed? and how shall they believe in him of whom they have not heard? and how shall they hear without a preacher?
It is hearing the gospel (which is preached and shared by men) which gives us the opportunity to believe.
Everyone has the ability to choose to believe the truth of the gospel and cry out to God for forgiveness or reject the truth of the gospel and die in their sins. That's why God is just for punishing those who reject His Son.
If they never had the ability in the first place and needed God to give them a new heart before they could admit that they had a wicked heart and were in need of a Savior then God would be unjust to punish them...for they could do no other but to reject.
Watch DITRH.
Awesome testimony!! All glory to God! Thank you for sharing this, Jessie. Gives me such encouragement for my adult children.
You forget one minor thing. You can't force your mind to believe something it does not want to
Mike, Please don't apologize for recording long videos. They are excellent and deeply appreciated...by me at least.
I agree. My main complaint for solid theology videos is they are too short and don’t get into the weeds enough
I agree with you both!
Pastor Mike is an awesome Brother!
Completely agree.
Absolutely agreed. His humble personality and intellectual honesty is a great quality in these types of in-depth studies.
Same for me! I love his long videos.
How come, every time I click one of your videos planning only to watch 10 minutes, I end up sitting through the whole 1.5 hour video? Great work!
Confirmation bias
@@Jonas-gl9ke Ha ha i was about to type in there, and clicked on the 1 reply, lo, there it is - confirmation bias.
@@Jonas-gl9kePraying for you🙏✝️
@@euginrobinsonPraying for you as well🙏✝️
I read Dawkins God Delusion because I thought I would relate to it, I loved slinging crap on Christians. But it was bad. I became a Christian about 1 year later.
Wonderful! What changed?
I remember while reading his "central argument" I thought to myself, even a CHILD could see the holes in this argument!
What would you say was bad about it, if you remember specifics, of course, I hardly remember anything about it. And can you attribute your conversation to Christianity to anything in particular?
LOL You actually read his garbage???
Shortly after becoming a Christian, I read "Why I am not a Christian" by Bertrand Russell to see what a genius atheist believed. What I love about being a Christian is that I can read anything I want to, do a little research on the counter argument and come away a stronger Christian. As C.S. Lewis wrote the light of Christ illuminates everything.
I was an atheist for 40 years, born to a family that was indifferent to God. I met a Christian girl when I got to college and she became my wife, she witnessed to me over 20 years patiently and meticulously - thank you God for being so patient with me. Love your work Mike, you are excellent at explaining just how reasonable and rational the Christian faith is and you have a gentle spirit that comes across in every video.
Praise Jesus brother!! 💜✝
What an amazing testimony and thank God for His work through you and your wonderful wife!
Thank you for your testimony. This gives me so much hope as someone who is married to an unbeliever.
That’s an awesome testimony man, heaven itself went absolutely crazy when you converted!
Amen, brother!
Wasn't raised in a Christian home, became a Christian at 23, after being an atheist since I first had the ability to think about such things. I now find the evidence for God to be overwhelming mixed with my own anecdotal evidence in my personal life.
What is some of the anecdotal evidence? I'm not trying to trap you or disprove you, I'm genuinely curious about an atheist seeing something in their personal life that brings them to God.
Same raised in a non Christian home when I was 18 I thought something was missing in my life so I started learning about different religions ...stuck with a Christian church after 7 years today I’m questioning “faith”
@@josephsantillan3817 Just looking at nature and beauty and the intricacies of life is enough for me to prove anecdotal evidence of a good God. But evil is real, too.
@@VJ-jl4zs that’s not a valid argument for the existence of God. other religions could use that exact same argument
@@dilfhunter5645 it's anecdotal for a reason lol.
Stuck in bed with Covid-19. So grateful for this ministry
Also I used to be an atheist, now a freshman in Baptist college
I hope you recovered...
How are you doing now? I was also an atheist, only became a Christian two years ago.
Is it as exaggerated as I think it is??? It's probably just a bad cold. I mean it was created in China, by the CCP... it won't last long.
I hope you are well now!!
Pastor Mike, I appreciate you so much for your teachings. I pray that this video will change my sons mind. Once a christian, now claiming to be an atheist. Your teaching style is truly a gift from God. Prayers for you and your family. Peach
I'm glad your son escaped indoctrination, hopefully he finds a video to convince you
@@SlightlyDazed. I’ll pray for you brother. Peace be with you.
this video will not change anyone's mind. mike is preaching the the sheep. atheists laugh at his nonsense.
@@louiscyfer6944 Okay I'm an Athiest but there is no reason to be a jerk about this he's just stating his view on this which I respect!
@@blueunstopple4289 why would you respect his views? stupidity needs to be called out.
Your channel has been such a blessing God has truly given you a gift to do this. You have cleared up so many doubts, May God Bless you
Just found you a week ago. I‘m super impressed by your work. Love that your really dig deep into scripture 😍
In school here in Germany we have a subject called religion where we learn superficially (what I think as a believer) about Christianity and now in 13th grade we talk about critics on religion such as Freud, Feuerbach, Nietzsche and such. Your video helps me to get a point on it that I can state in class and it can be a very good foundation to try to discuss on a higher level
Love your work and I’m going to tell my friends about you
Love from Germany 🥰🙌🏼
Hold up, you guys have a 13th grade? Is it mandatory? Cause that sounds awful.
@@jerrys1 so in some of the federal states in Germany you have to finish 13th grade in order to do your Abitur, which is the highest possible graduation from school and which is normally needed to get into university.
So if you want to study at university you normally have to do the 13th grade if it’s there in your school district/federal state😅
@@carolinafedermann6659 love and blessings from the US of A
Never argue with the person but the ideas the person is presenting
How do we do that?
@@aeolian7556 what does arguing mean?
@@Eagle-zl4gz first definition I found was "an exchange of diverging or opposite views, typically a heated or angry one." However I was told I have Alexithymia so it is difficult for me to tell when that happens
@@aeolian7556 enter into conversation with love.
then ask many questions to learn what the other person believes.
once you understand what they believe. never attack them as a person but the beliefs/ideologies they have. take a test drive down their world view and see where it ends up, where it contradicts itself, or where it doesn't make logical sense. and show that person how you come to that conclusion. again...attacking the idea not the person
This should be told to people arguing more often
I'm evidence against Atheist argument number 2. My parents were members of an Episcopal church, and I fell away from faith when I was in high school and was a loud-mouthed Atheist throughout high school. I kind of dragged my Mom's faith away with my own, and they're no longer members of that church. My Dad didn't really lose his faith but he doesn't like to go to church either, still doesn't. I became a true Christian while I was in college, and became a member of a local Bible Church. My mom joined me and became baptized on the same day as me. So if anything I helped renew/strengthen my own Mother's faith.
Wow bro... this helped me so much. Thank you for posting this
All this shows is that argument 2 doesn't apply in all cases absolutely, many religions throughout history have used indoctrination and fear to spread themselves you can't deny that.
I don’t see how this is evidence against the impact indoctrination has had on the spread of religion. You can pretty easily see it’s impact through a much bigger lens when observing how religion clusters and does not shift from generation to generation. If your parents are Hindus, you will most likely be a Hindu, if your parents are Muslim, you will most likely be a Muslim, if your parents are Christian, you will most likely be a Christian. It also follows that if your parents are atheist, you will most likely be an atheist. But still this does not change the fact that what your parents teach you has a much bigger impact than what you yourself actually think
@@freshcarrot2253 True, but the same could be said about atheism- if your parents have atheist beliefs, you could logically be more likely to adopt atheism as well. “Indoctrination,” i.e. teaching a set of values with the premise that this values set is correct (and hypothetically precluding all others’ validity) is not exclusive to religion. It’s quite literally the way teaching works, in all areas of life, unless one holds to pure relativism (which even then is exclusionist in its own right.)
How is this evidence?
When the atheist puts Richard Dawkins out as a proponent of great arguments against God then we know that this atheist is very shallow. Richard Dawkins does not offer any logically convincing evidence against God.
There is no evidence against God...theres also no evidence for God either
@@skindred1888
There is evidence for God. Historical and Philosophical.
@@davidnewhart2533 historical ? There's historical evidence for a god...really ? Because...historians disagree with you haha. Arguments steeped in philosophy is just mental masterbation. Nice that you're thinking about stuff...but when there's no evidence...it means nothing
@@skindred1888 There is, if you just open your eyes.
@@opticalraven1935 ahhh yes ... Very profound, just doesn't help. Eyes are open. All my sense are open to receiving something
Winkie Pratney:
Q: if there is a creator God, why do the innocent suffer.
A: If there is no God, why are they innocent and who cares if they suffer?
Paul Robbertze God doesn’t allow suffering the reason it happened is because of sin and unrighteousness and the things that we do yeah somethings are terrible like kids having cancer or people being starve to death Are terrible but we can help with the hunger look at the United States how much money we spend on our military alone 400 billion you are now also even Jesus closest followers suffered Paul was beheaded John was poisoned Peter was crucified upside down all of them suffered and these people were gods closest friends and apostles yes there is suffering in the world but do not blame God for it when God comes back he will and suffering earth is just like a giant test and yes I may not agree that they should be people dying but if that’s what happens when there’s evil in the world that is my Christ came for a free us from God is not evil because he allow these things you have to look at the universe with Ying and yang if you look at the yang just a bed in the world sounds terrible but if you look at Just the Ying I can look too perfect or without any flaws you have to take both in consideration yes I may not be hard to understand but we are in God we have no idea who deserves to live and die how things will plan we could barely plan our own lives never mind millions and billions of people through hundreds of thousands of generations and years so in the end God is not evil for this you just have to look at the world an open I there will be some benefit is also good thank you have a good day👍
Good Q and A.
I care if innocent people suffer and so should you. If your God isn’t going to do anything about it then it’s up to us. It’s frightening that you need to be told what is right and what is wrong and that you need a reason to be a good person. Your response shows how little morality there is in religion.
@@marquisinspades1 That’s not very true yes you should care about people who are innocently getting suffers doesn’t mean we don’t care nor saying that god doesn’t help make him unjust u font need to be told that to know that
@@webslinger527 ok so you agree that his answer is bad - you don’t need a God to care about people suffering.
I hear you, brother! One of the things that brought me to Christ was the skeptics' argument that there were so many so-called prophets and messiahs at the time of Jesus of Nazareth that "he" was just one part of a general movement. All I had to do was ask the question, "So why do we only know about Him?"
I think the skeptics watched an old Monty Python movie and thought it was a documentary.
We don't. If you read Josephus he mentions other ones lol
@@MrLoonytoon1024 there have been false prophets and false messiahs for centuries. Jesus warned us about them.
@@KN-ul5xe that's a seperate argument
@@MrLoonytoon1024 no, it's not.
In the problem of evil, when the guy talks about logic, I want to know what his materialistic basis for the existence of logic is?
Why would you assume logic is material in nature?
@@MoNtYbOy101 it's not... he as an atheist, and therefore most likely a materialist or naturalist, so laws of logic and physics are not to be trusted on that basis.
@@hamsarris8341 you are an idiot. atheists are not necessarily materialists. there is also philosophical naturalism and methodological naturalism.
@@MoNtYbOy101 logic is based on observations.
@@hamsarris8341 why do you think the laws of physics are not to be trusted? they are descriptive.
I think Richard Dawkins spends more time trying to use a play on words to trick people into believing him than he does making good arguments.
So does Mike Winger.
What about the God of the Gaps?
@@machows2992 Name an example
@ Jason Name an example
@@machows2992 how does Richard Dawkins tip taste bro?
"This is actually just dumb-dumb level thinking" - I fell off my seat and laughed like a horn!! Best Mike Winger quote yet 🤣😍🤣
I read your comment just as he said that. Made me giggle lol
I’m listening to this while cleaning house, wishing I had my notebook for notes instead!
I’ll be coming back to this! ❤️
Always love your videos, no matter how long they are! They have never been a waste of time yet!
Your videos are boring as hell!!!
May the LORD anoint you, Mike. You are on the "Front lines."
We ALL need to Wise up and defend the Truth!
To whom is he defending the truth? To you, the already converted? What is the point of that? It should be the heathen he is trying to reach. And yet, we just laugh at his ill-conceived, condescending, strawmanning garbage. Some anointing that is.
How does religion "disassociate from reality" when it was religion-Christians specifically-who by and large lead the charge to serve and take care of those in worst straits than them who lived with the harshest aspects of reality: housing and feeding the poor, stopping slavery, stopping abortion, taking care of pregnant mothers, starting and running orphanages, starting and running hospitals, etc? Serving those who experience the worst of reality requires you to accept and face reality. The argument doesn't hold water.
Thank you Mike for your hard study and eloquence and patience in presenting. A service of love.
You handled this topic very well. Good job Mike
Thank you for this video, Pastor Mike. I was actually dealing with an acquaintance that recently threw out the Epicurus argument. This person also, like you said, loves to boast in hopelessness and trounces on God. I appreciate your insight not so I can go and use this against this person; but, so I can be better informed.
That argument of “we are all Atheists” bores me now. The definition of Atheist is: a person who does not believe God or gods exist. How can any person who believes in God or gods be an Atheist? It’s stupid to even think.
The point is, by accepting only one god, you're rejecting all the others.
@@jonescrusher1 I don’t deny them.
@@EndOfNumberz Fine, if you literally believe in all gods ever devised by man. But you obviously don't , that would be silly.
@@jonescrusher1 think of it this way... thou (you) believe in evolution, which follows the possibility of life on other planets (extraterrestrials) which there is no evidence for; and (myself) do not believe in aliens, but I don’t deny the possibility of their existence. Same with the other gods. I don’t believe in them, but do they exist? It’s possible. I have not searched the whole entirety of the Universe to say these gods don’t exist or to say aliens don’t exist. Just as thou have evidence God doesn’t exist; it’s merely something thou believe in.
@@EndOfNumberz I'm not sure why you're using the word 'thou', but I agree with what you're saying, apart from assuming that an acceptance of the theory of natural selection means that I would automatically believe in ET life. Yes, I cannot disprove the existence of any god described in the course of human civilisation , but that doesn't lend the possibility of their existence any more credibility .
Fossil records exist to prove evolution is a process in action. Although no evidence exists of ET life, we can use maths and science to come to a reasonable assumption that it does exist somewhere.
No evidence of equivalent value exists for the existence of a god or gods. We have no reason to even assume that a god exists.
I'm fairly new to this channel but it's been extremely helpful for me.
Thank you in particular, Mike, for this video. It was very informative and much needed! 🙏
Wonderful thank you for the time you spent on it! Well worth it 👍
Love this!! So helpful. Thanks brother 🙏🏻❤️👍
That point #4 made me pause the video for inner-monologue. "Religion is desperation from disgust of our world and hope for a new world." I immediately thought of another argument that I hear all the time called the Problem of Evil, and found these two contradictory. If God and evil are a paradox, then religious people wouldn't see the evil, and thus wouldn't have answers for evil, and thus wouldn't turn to religion to escape evil. But, if people are driven to religion to escape evil, then they would be driven to a religion that accounts for the Problem of Evil. "No atheist" I thought "could use both of these; they have to choose one or the other." ...
Mike: "Problem #5: the Problem of Evil."
Kenton: *Facepalm.
Lol same thing happened here
Thank you Mike. I have listened to so many hours of your videos and I'm glad you take the time to do them and make them long so you can't fit more info into them. Thank you so much for all the time and effort you put in
This is what helps me to understand my belief in God when I can have struggles and doubts. Even if I was not a Christian, I would believe in God. In other words, I'd be a theist. Try as I may, I could not deny the nagging belief that rings true. It is mind blowing: Such a brilliant, fine-tuned universe, the complexity of human beings and other living beings, the broadness of nature and beauty in this earth (despite the ugliness of sin) , the ability of our minds to create amazing things (despite our ability to destroy what was made).
A world with no purpose ...other than to eek out an existence and than die... goes against everything that makes up our lives.
Just one example: Everything in our home was designed by someone, the walls, the windows, the floors, the appliances, the furniture, the pots and pans, shampoo, soap, tooth brushes, clothes. Obviously, I could go on and on. Everything has a purpose, with no exceptions. If you could ask the person why something was made or designed, some invention, the answer is never going to be, "I don't know".
Yet atheists treat this world, the universe, human beings, the animals, and nature like it has no other purpose than a brief experience to keep life going. I've heard that "we make our own meaning". Well than who is to judge if that meaning is right or wrong?
Thank you so much for this video. Praise God for the hope we have in Him! No other worldview compares. Your ministry is such a blessing, Mike!!! God bless you!
“Atheism is instinctual “ 😂 if that’s the case , then why have the vast majority of societies, across the world and throughout time, had some form of religious belief? History indicates that belief is a part of human instinct, not the opposite.
Lol I know, right?
Say it louder for the people in the back!!
I'm interested in the evidence that 'belief is a part of human instinct'. What do you mean by 'belief'. Is it instinctive for a child born in Saudi Arabia to believe in Allah? Societies have developed supernatural explanation for things they cannot explain. The extent to which this is necessary has reduced significantly over centuries as science and understanding has developed. This does not make religions false - just that they are not not needed as an explanation for the world around us. It all works without god - but you can insert one if you like.
religion is made when people did not have an answer for natural occurring phenomenons, now that we have science, religion just seems to be a dumbass belief
What ideas does a newborn have about a god or religion when it's born??? I'll wait.
Love your channel one my top favorites!
First time I've seen your videos. Instant subscriber! You do a fantastic job of laying out arguments, refuting them and are very kind and loving in the process.
The one thing I keep coming back to is the necessity of proof. You can spend your entire life trying to refute the existence of God. You can look at evidence and say it insufficient, you can look at people's personal experience and brand them as fanciful or lunacy. On the other hand if God reveals himself to you and you have the personal experience (which I would argue is necessity to truly being a Christian and being born again and baptized by the holy spirit), then you have a definitive answer for yourself. You might struggle with doubts but you can solidify your belief over time with more experience of God. Eventually you come to a point when you can truly no longer deny the plethora of experience of God you have. But atheism is built on total rejection and debunking. You change the standard of what convinces you. You look the other way at compelling evidence and dismiss the experience of others summarily by categorizing their mental state. It's a lifelong pursuit and it will never fully satisfy your claim. Or if you want to be coy you can simply always say you reject rather than it is a belief. Either way it is a pursuit of eternal dismissal and no real truth about Gods existence. You will never fully be able to disprove God. One path leads to truth you can count on. The other requires eternal work to discredit and reject. Your work is never done. There is no rest. Nietzsche went mad in the end. Was it his maddening path of denial that ultimately sealed his fate?
Mike, I just wanted to say I love you. Your lessons are helping the kingdom in immeasurable ways. I hope your new neck is able to withstand the weight of all of those crowns. At least until you have a chance to cast them at His feet.
I just found your channel and I have only listened for 15 minutes so far. I haven't heard of you before but I can already easily conclude that you are a serious heavyweight in your field. Your arguments and explanations are flawless and simply presented because you understand the entire subject inside out, backwards and upside down. It is such a treat to find something so very valuable at 4 am on a Sunday. Thank you so much for all your hard work and thank you for sharing the fruits of your intelligence with the world.
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Erm...I hate to burst the bubble, but Mike is extremely dishonest in how he presents these arguments. You can see how he switches the wording of arguments to better suit his agenda. He quotes nietzche saying that he was speaking personally about how he found atheism. Only to then take that and say all atheists demand you believe atheism without question. That is not what neitzche said, nor has any atheist. It is not a set faith to believe. You just don't believe in a god. It's upto you to believe what you want.
Mike has to misrepresent the points because, again, he often sidesteps or evades the actual argument. Regarding the idea that we are all atheists really, he genuinely tries to argue against the point based on language and what the definition of the terms are. Being a bachelor is not the same as atheism. It's a weak point. He then just dismisses claims of other religions, even though there is just as much evidence for them as there is christianity.
Mike just tries to tell you these arguments are 'lowest rung' atheism, becauae he is trying to diminish them and dismiss them. incidentally he never defines what higher rung atheism is, surely, being a Christian, he is predisposed to disagree with atheist ideas anyway, so ranking them seems odd.
@@JonGrove-ub8cv Good summary of Mike's dishonesty.
I have a one and half hour commute to work (one way!) so your videos are absolutely perfect my drives. Don’t apologize for the duration, the content should drive your video times. You’re doing such a great job!
Thank you for your video on this topic! It was an eye opening discussion for me!
This video was encouraging to me. Thank you.
Top notch content! More please! God bless!
Thank you Mike. You are an answer to a lot of prayers from so many people who are trying to figure out how to share truth with skeptics. I may not agree with every single point you make but I really do appreciate the way you research your subject and your exogetical approach to all things scriptural.
Mike isn't sharing truth with skeptics. His audience are believers. Most atheists will be put off by Mike's clips, because they understand how he is not only misrepresenting their reasons for not believing, but he keeps denigrating those who do not share his beliefs. He is doing christian apologetic a disservice.
Athiest: "I'm a good person!"
Jesus: "No one is good--except God alone."
Paul: "none are righteous, no, not one"
So who was right, Jesus or Paul? 🤔
@@Apanblod They are both right because they're both referring to mortals.
No one is good. God is good.
God is not a one. God is a trinity, People are ones. Jesus is a people, but isn't a one because first he's a trinity.
Word games are fun.
Anton Ekstrand When Paul says no one or righteous he’s not referring to Jesus he saying that about normal people everyone’s born and does some sin that’s why Jesus is called the sinless he’s the only person ever beat satan and died so you can be in paradise Jesus is a righteous man when Paul refers to no one is racist he’s talking about us even himself and obviously God is righteous considering he’s literally called holy divine and righteous
Would it have been that hard for there to have been a "save God alone"? It's kind of an important concept. This is the place we are to learn God's words...
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If you're looking for clarification there's lots of passages on the goodness of God and depravity of man, for instance, the several psalms Paul's referencing. Paul is writing God inspired philosophy. If you read the context you'll see he's talking about people both Jew and gentile. God is neither Jew nor Gentile, as he pre exists people.
This is a pretty easy concept.
The 4-year old voice caught me off guard. 🤣
Thank you so much for refuting these arguments which seem impossible to engage with. My brain gets so tired when dealing with atheists - not because their claims are good, but because I do not even know where to start with refuting them in an eloquent and **patient** way.
They frustrate me because it seems that, with all their "critical thinking" and "logical arguments", they don't actually *want* any answers.
I really feel this comment.
Could you also please do a book review or provide us with a list of books you think we should buy/read? I know there are probably heaps but say for eg your top 20. Thank you again!!
Yeah, I would also like a list!
I’m new to your channel (loving it btw so thanks!) Can you recommend some books on apologetics?
Tactics by Greg Koukl
@jennifergeorge7280
Books by Frank Turek, Josh and Sean Mcdowell, J Warner Wallace, Gary Habermas
I realized that I have been attending a book club, speaking on the book but never understood the book. This is how I felt and I believe that’s what atheist do too.
God is good. This really helped with a debate I have coming up. Bless you brother.
"God is good" might be a great answer in your debate!
If you want to win the debate, slap whoever you're debating in the face and see if they get mad. If they do, it's because they know deep down that they're human beings created in the Image of the Living God. We all need to go around and slap them ... Just right in the back of the head - hard.
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Brilliant video! Filled me with a lot of confidence! Thanks Mike!
Bought the Clay Jones book. Very excited to read it. Edit: Not sure if edits get read by you: but this video was truly excellent. Felt like true articulations of arguments I make all the time.
I just got it on audible and have listened to it all evening. It surly has answered many questions. Great explanations on “ there is none good not even one” verse and so may others. It is eye opening.
Lol the amount that this writer misinterpreted Nietzsche’s quote will perhaps never be overstated
These atheists were once my heroes. They were because I came from a distant, troubled relationship with God where I understood nothing about him, to atheism. And that's where I stayed for 15 years. Only now, as a new Christian, do I realize how simple these atheist questions are.
Which are the simplest? The worst? The best?
Great video, that made me think!
This was fantastic!!
Liked. Subscribed, finally. Good job, Mike. Thank you. Greetings from Finland.
Forgiveness. So very important. Good program, Mike. God has given you such wisdom, insight, and understanding. I appreciate your work and how you stay right on track with Scripture. God bless.
having lunch at home while watching mike winger is the best vibe ever
Thank you for this Pastor Mike!
FYI: Link for the argument from Beauty appears to link to the same video as the Kalam link. (Mike and Braxton)
I think I fixed it. Thank you
Well said, Mike! Every time I thought you exhausted the Christian rebuttals of an argument, you came forward with another one that completely dismantled a pillar of pop-atheism.
I especially liked how you addressed the “problem of evil” from multiple angles. I was reminded of God’s response to Job concerning his suffering. We really shouldn’t expect to always know why God does what he does, especially since he has made it clear time and time again over thousands of years that his intentions are beyond good for us.
are they? if god is all powerful, he didn't need to test job's faith. he already knew what the outcome would be.
@@sincerelyzee521 He didn't need to, but it was to prove a point to Satan. When people say "God is all-loving and Omnipotent, then He wouldn't allow bad things." they forget to include that He is Omniscient. He knows WHY bad things must happen. He doesn't control humanity. He influences them, but God isn't holding you by the puppet strings. Most things are your own choice.
Good morning Mike, I stumbled on your posting, though I subscribed to your blog but had not been following. I stayed glued to and even saved today's posting on the best arguments of atheists. I was blessed by your views. One thing I will point out to Christians is that sincerity in the faith is rewarded with amazing revelations that we will always hold onto during stormy times. But hypocrisy or stunted christianity does not offer any anchor in turbulent times. It was not in vain we are instructed to study to make ourselves approved.
It amazes me that people will accept views expressed by others in various aspects of human existence in ancient times, but not those on worship of God, no matter how convincing. Think of the prophecies that went forth before the coming of Jesus Christ and their well documented fulfilment, which atheists resist and reject with all their beings.
Mike I enjoy your content and usually get a lot out of it. Could you tell me which program you use to split your screen between the camera, logo, and presentation? I teach video classes for a local group and to date have used Microsoft ppt record option. It’s super basic and I’d like to improve that. Thanks in advance
“Religions is desperation” =
“You know how I know you’re wrong? Because you’re desperately denying that I’m right!” 🧠
I'm an atheist and I dont desperately deny anything. I calmly and reasonably present arguments.
@sean pick
I don’t think he was accusing atheists of desperation; he was pointing out that when people say that “religion is desperation” as an argument, it is bulveristic question-begging.
Edit: see 50:35
Mike Winger is so intelligent am glad to have him on our side of Christianity
Why? Isn't god on your side? lol
@@paulbolton4929 yes
@@paulbolton4929 He is a good critical thinker, no god is not my side but God is definitely on my side
@@paulbolton4929 God is, but no god is,
We don't need Mike, but he is good, and praise be to God for him,
Wrong interpretation lead to wrong and incorrect and incoherent and incomplete knowledge.
@@niccolopaganini1782 You honestly think capitalizing a letter makes your argument coherent? It seems with over 30,000 denominations of Christianity, that a lot of people could have the wrong interpretation...including you?
I began reading through Against Celsus by Origen of Alexandria and apparently the faith argument was popular then as well. Origen reminds Celsus that not all people are blessed with time to dissect the arguments as they are and have their daily livelihood to concern themselves with and that even amongst them there are people who live based off the words of their teachers. Essentially expressing that such an argument ignores the strong arguments of the opposition to instead throw ridicule towards the less studied than themselves.
I have one QUESTION. Mike, you mentioned sociological studies of "Natural tendency and receptivity to belief supernatural agency". (37:50)
Could you list a few, please?
Really growing to enjoy your work Mike. I love the personality and effort you put in. Dawkins is a philosophical failure - and in fact, reading TGD started my journey back to Christ.
Thank you Mike this is exactly what I was looking for. My son is finally asking questions and I don't always have a full answer for him. I was thinking of getting him to listen to Inspiring Philosophy but I think maybe Michael is a bit to intellectual for him. I have not been able to explain circular reasoning to him. Thank you again.
Mike vs Michael! Haha!
As an atheist, Mike's arguments are dishonest and misrepresent atheism in many ways. If they work for you then all power to you, but if your son has genuine questions, this video will not be enough out in the real world.
Thanks, Pastor Mike! Keep it up!
Thank you for making this video. God Bless.
This video is absolutely BRILLIANT!! Thank you :)
GOD BLESS THIS MAN
Brilliant video my brother. I'm always surprised at just how many atheists strawman or simply misquote Nietzsche.
Fascinating presentation. Definitely subscribing.
You did an Excellent job, especially when you talked about Epicurus. Thanks so much! A lot of it made me laugh, you have a humble and honest sense of humor.
I think "divine hiddeness" is a good one not on this list.
What argument is that?
@@hi2cole They argue that God’s seeming lack of interaction with Mankind is an argument against His existence. I would recommend InspiringPhilosophy’s video on the subject of Divine Hiddenness.
Devine hiddenmess is only another trick, behind the curtain, with a priest and a little boy. Amen
That is one of a few good arguments for sure
This is really great content. I love you answering one thing at a time. I believe we need to think deeply as Christians.
Thank you so much Mike; every valuable second was worth the effort.
My closest friend and antagonist is a self-proclaiming agnostic of the "We cannot know." variety.
At this juncture, i would say that this position is true for all believers as well; the difference being, that we have decided to know; whereas my friend, by his own admission thinks believing that God exists is laughable.
Clearly my friend is an atheist, too scared to admit it. I sent him a link to this video and he may watch it. If he gives me any feedback, i will try to add it here, as it's likely to be game-changing. I apologise now for my sarcasm 😯
What makes you think that your god exists and all of the other gods in the world don't?
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Hello Mathius
Firstly, nothing makes me think. Like you, i have run along the atheist road, but now i choose to think differently.
Secondly, of these other gods that claim existence, which of them claim that they put themselves in the womb of a woman for nine months, was born and then walked the earth for 33 years?
My life as well as that of others may be anecdotal but, powerful nonetheless. I always thought I knew what Christians meant by saying "born again". Until the Holy Spirit changed my heart, desires and life radically from loving sin and the world to loving God, His Son, His Word and righteousness. Now I understand... and until it happens to you, I don't believe you can conceive of what the Holy Spirit changing your heart is or feels like. Jesus saved the life He gave me for His own glory. Praise God for the teachers and preachers who never give up on the world!! If the Lord can find me He can find anyone. Thank God for you Mike and praise God for the passion, dedication and patience He has gifted you through His Spirit! Much love to you all in Yeshua, our saviour Jesus Christ!
34:32 If atheism is natural then how come every tribe, people group, especially those that are in the wild with no TV and no communication with the outside world all seem to believe in a higher power, great spirit, or God?
Because of our developed quest for knowledge. All knowledge is based upon an initial observation. This observation leads to questions for which some civilization have'nt the technical tools or stored knowledge sets (science) of which to provide informed answers. The explanation of spirits, gods, and fate seem to be the only kind if answer from which to begin the journey of better informed answers which eventually replace those answers exemplifying mythologies.
Because humans have always tried to make sense of the world around us, in spite of the lack of evidence in our theories. People believed in many things in the past that has now been debunked. Next.
Hello.
Have you done a video on Genesis?
The creation accounts?
What do you think of the 7 days of creation and theistic evolution...
I was going to make a video debating the points here but I can't tell if he's serious or bad faith.
Mike is completely missing the point about the one less god argument. Mike knows what it is like to be an atheist with respect to Thor or not lose sleep fearing going to Islamic hell. That’s how atheists feel about your religion as well.
Well we're both bachelors with respect to Scarlett Johansen, so thats how everyone feels about your wife.
So like... what does that tell you? That you shouldn't have a wife? Like what- whats the point being made here, and how are you helping it?
First, I really like your videos and many things about the way you think and study.
I take issue with the idea of "blind faith" or that faith is just a "choice to trust". As I see it, faith is the "reason to trust". There is always a "why" behind choice. The reason behind why you make a choice to trust is faith. Faith is therefore the "claim to knowledge or understanding". It is your personal reasons to trust something or someone. Without this reason to trust your beliefs, you cannot choose or act. This is also why an attack of your faith is always an attack on the reasons why you believe what you do.
This is also why we are charged to:
"Always be ready to give an answer to anyone that asks you for the reason of the hope that is in you" -Peter
Biblical faith is described as:
"Now faith is the substance of things hoped for, the evidence of things not seen (invisible)." -Author of Hebrews.
I say that faith is therefore the substantive evidence for why we hope or trust. This is why faith is not just the trust or belief in and of themselves and is rather the reasoning behind them. Faith is a free gift leftover from creation, given to all people that leaves them without an excuse on the day of judgment.
"For since the creation of the world God’s invisible qualities-his eternal power and divine nature-have been clearly seen, being understood from what has been made (faith from natural law), so that people are without excuse" -Author of Romans.
We are being told that we should be able to use faith (the reasoning and understanding of the evidence) to discover the God of the bible in the natural universe. In some ways faith is the evidence base case we make for our belief in God.
I am still working to figure out many things and don't have all of the answers, this is presented as food for thought.
GREAT DEFINITION... AND WE don't have too UNDERSTAND EXACTLY HOW...... IM still getting on board that airplane 🛬 . EVEN THOUGH I DON'T KNOW EXACTLY HOW IT FLIES.... BECAUSE... I have good reason too believe...... IT WILL.. .
I'm curious when your opinion would be on William Lane Craig's belief in macroevolution. Do you believe that is consistent with what the Bible teaches? Do you believe that someone can be saved if they also believe in macroevolution?
I've never heard a biblical defense for it, not in the sense that nobody can do it, but that I've never looked for it so what are the arguments in favor of it, do you know?
We really got a good laugh on 9:15 and your examples. So funny
Who is "we"?
The europeans
AS Christian, I care very much that my fellow humans end up in heaven with me, therefore I will try to introduce them to Christ. Same for many other religions, they want the post-earth-living benefits for their friends etc.
Why do Atheists care so much to disprove God to me? Why would they care whether I believe or not?
Each atheist has his reasons. Here's my question, what should I do if I have no desire to live forever?
Because a belief in a God comes with a lot of baggage attached. One good reason is voting on policy in this country.
If Muslims ever find themselves in the majority here we would have common goals to convert or deconvert as many as we could to try to discourage the implementation of sharia law as a national or state law.
The new independent fundamental Baptists have stated unapologetically that if they ever gain a political foothold that they will institute the death penalty for homosexuality according to OT laws. If they're being consistent, then probably the death penalty for adultery too. Which I am not in favor of.
@Caleb Ford then send me to hell.
@Lon Spector I have no desire to die anytime soon. You are right. My husband does need me. It is quite unlikely that he could deal with my death. I knew what I was getting into when we started dating. I did not know how heavy the weight would be.
@Lon Spector I hate the new policy the hospitals put in place. When he went in to get his annual scan I was not able to go with him.
Hi Mike, I for one would like to hear your testimony of how you became a Christian
I binge watch these videos eating cake late at night just to challenge my faith lol. So far so good, these guys' arguments are ridiculous and can be rebuted in a matter of seconds lmfaoooo
Great job Mike
Dishes do talk. Just watch animated Beauty and the Beast. He called it whoooa.. lol jk keep up the awesome work Mike!
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It's good to see someone with passion and of strong learning call those know-it-all atheists out.
@Mike Winger Have you ever seen a YT channel named "Holy Koolaid". I would be very thankful if you take a look at that channel, because his videos have sometimes make me doubt about the historical evidence of the Bible. I know that you are more specialized on the New Testament scripture (I guess), but I would appriciate to hear your thoughts about the claims that holds this youtuber. I pretty new on the list of your suscribers, but you have impressed me with your vast knowledgre of the christianity. I'm also a follower of Jesus, and I want to strengthen my faith as much ad you do.
God blessings from Guatemala 🤠
The links in your description are out of order / duplicated.
I’ll go and fix them. Sorry about that! Give me a bit of time.
I SE'd myself out of Mormonism before I knew what it SE was.
Super arguments brother Mike, you're so clever, thanks very much,you are a treasure.
God bless you and your family
One thing I almost never see addressed is the assumption that suffering is never merited and undeserved.
As Christians we are told ..... blessing or curses ..... which will you choose ....choose life ! Even Christians reap what they sow !
Correct me if I'm wrong, but I believe the parable of the farmer applies extremely well to epicurus' argument. Jesus says that the farmer finds that someone has planted weeds in his crop fields. His workers ask if they should dig them up, but the farmer says he did not want them to dig up the crops because it will uproot the harvest as well, and that he wants to wait until harvest to separate them out. This, the way I see it, is a fantastic explanation for the existence of evil. If God ended all evil today, many would be lost to the flames of hell that may have turned from their sins. God says that he desires none to perish, but that all should come to him and be saved.