The Arguments for God's Existence Tier List
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What is the best argument for god's existence? Although I haven't yet found any which are without error, some arguments are better, or more convincing, than others. Apologetics can appear dry on the surface, but they're fascinating upon closer inspection. These arguments often sneak in false premises and tricky debate tactics which many don't catch. Here, though, I've analyzed some of the most popular arguments for god, charted their stats, examined their special abilities, and ranked them accordingly. The arguments discussed here are, in no particular order: The Ontological Argument, The Argument from Personal Experience, The Kalam Cosmological Argument, the Teleological Argument, Paschal's Wager, and the Moral Argument.
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Ok, give me your thoughts, people. How would you rank these arguments yourself? Is my choice for A tier outrageous?
Hello, I'm first
I love your channel btw
Have you Come across Bernado Kastrup? Check him out
I would put personal experience above the teleological argument, actually
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Ha imagine framing serious subjects in gamer terms wow what a nerd
Yeah like biology or some crap.
You, here ?! I thought it was a featuring with you at first glance !
Hey I know you --_--
TierZoo everyone is stealing your format. Casually explained did it too
I was thinking of "TierZoo" throughout this entire video. You're the gift that keeps on giving!
If God doesn't exist, then why is the game called "God of War" and not "Science of War"?
Thanks, now i believe in kratos
@@albertdescartes9462 LMAOOO
Because games are a product of fiction therefore god is fiction. *BOOM*
@@blitzcha0s308 ö
If God is fake, why is a canine called a dog and not an ecneics ?
The main problem with Pascal's Wager is that it isn't even an argument for god's existence, but an argument for believing in god's existence, which are not the same thing
The most common version of the Argument from Morality has the same problem - "If people don't believe in God, they won't be moral" is an argument for why people should ACT like God exists, not an argument that he actually exists.
Honestly, the Argument from Personal Experience, while not a great argument, is the only one here that deserves the slightest credence, because it is the only one that attempts to present EVIDENCE rather than playing word games or ignoring the question entirely.
hmm, good rationale @@michaelramon2411
Exactly and even if you were to follow it you're not making a Christian God happy who wants you to actually worship him and all this stuff Beyond just literally believing he exists which is crazy
If you boil any argument long enough, you won't find god's existence but the belief in god.
I appreciate your engagement with Pascal's Wager. While it is true that Pascal's Wager does not directly argue for the existence of God, it does present a pragmatic approach to belief in God. Pascal's Wager proposes that even if the existence of God cannot be established with certainty through rational arguments, it is still rational to believe in God because the potential benefits of belief outweigh the potential costs. According to Pascal, belief in God is a safer bet than unbelief. The wager suggests that if God does exist, then believers will gain eternal bliss, while non-believers will suffer eternal loss. Conversely, if God does not exist, believers will only have a finite loss in terms of pleasures and comforts in this life, while non-believers will have no eternal gain. Therefore, Pascal argues that the rational choice is to believe in God, as it maximizes the potential for eternal happiness. While Pascal's Wager may not provide evidence for the existence of God, it presents a rational framework for considering belief in God as a prudent choice. It grapples with the potential consequences of one's beliefs and suggests that the potential benefits of belief make it reasonable to choose faith in God. However, I encourage further examination and evaluation of other arguments for the existence of God, such as the cosmological argument or the teleological argument, as they offer additional support for belief in a higher power.
If god doesn’t exist, then why do meteors ALWAYS land in craters?
S tier theory.
this better be a joke if its not THE METEORS MAKE THEM ON IMPACT GOOBER
@@EEE-do3eubruh you’re dumb as hell
@@EEE-do3eu r/whoosh
@@EEE-do3eusame
if God doesn't exist, then why are shoes the perfect shape for our feet to fit in?
Chekmate atheists
Because apes designed them
@@tristanbrewer4523 laiiirr impsbli
ahhh man, definitely can't refute that
@@tristanbrewer4523 I don’t think you can call Asians that
Missed the opportunity to make a God tier
this comment is ingenious omg
For sure. Canon Jesus vs canon krishna. No legends.
That would piss so many people off
Its debatable whether such a tier exists
Nah it's S tier for Science tier
“If I’m wrong I lose nothing, if you are wrong, you lose everything!”
“Ok”
I am Christian and yes that is completely wrong. Matter of fact Paul even wrote that we are most miserable of all people if it is not true. And guess what I never liked gambling in my life
Yeah good luck choosing thousands of Gods out there.
Maybe Anubis were the real one all this time
@@adamanthark5237 Anubis did not endure test of time
@@Bojan12doesn’t mean he doesn’t exist, in the same way that the worship of other gods does not mean they exist
@@seanwaddell2659 God’s that are worshipped are endured test of time. And for Anubis he may exist however He is not Creator because he is long gone for us and rearly anyone knows anything about him
Personal experience is definitely a hard one to refute. I was arguing my atheism with my father when he stated that he wouldn’t be able to handle it if he had to believe his father was not living in heaven. Although it certainly didn’t change my beliefs, it did cause me to end the discussion because I wasn’t willing to go down that line of discussion.
It's not an argument, so there is no need to refute it.
did you stop because you couldn't refute it?
@@yeetusfreezus5175it just wasnt worth it
@@davidcalado744 This is the problem have with atheist vs theist debates. You can't pick what parts of the argument you want to respond too. If you blisfully ignore it you have conceded, and it would be foolish to continue in your positon.
@@yeetusfreezus5175you wanted my boy to argue down his pops about his father not being in heaven? its not that deep
If god doesnt exist, why does the hand of man fit so perfectly around the throat of a goose?
Lmfao
You deserve more likes!!
Insert peace was never an option joke here
Omg, im a believer now
This but unironically. These vile mfers are only good to be strangled
My boy living in a nether fortress.
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This comment is hillarious
Underrated comment😭
I love how he talks about these arguments like they’re weapons in an rpg
I mean, if you think about it, life is just one big RPG (role playing game, not rocket propelled grenade), and these are argumental (I made the word up) weapons
@@ultimazilla9814rethorical weapons
@@ultimazilla9814nonono, life as a rocket propelled grenade is funny as shit. I beg of you to please continue researching this theory 😂😂
Pascal's wager isn't even an argument for god's existence - it adds nothing to the question of whether or not god exists. It is merely an argument for why we should believe in god.
The religions that are easiest to follow and that give the harshest punishments for disobedience always seem to become the most popular. It entertains my own personal theory that goes this way: If an authority figure creates an edict that is easy to follow promising infinite reward, and inversely, if ignored, enforcing infinite suffering then it will be widely agreed upon. I find that the proof of this is seen in what religions still float around today. While many religions explain the origin of earth and all on it, the ones that stick around are the ones that promise reward and horrible punishment.
@@typicool9083EXACTLY. And the resson *most* people blindly follow religion is because their parents or someone else told them that when they were a child.
@@ChristopherCro totally forgot when i was writing this comment but damn was i cooking
@@typicool9083 haha
It doesn’t even give a good argument for that either though 😂 it’s a $hieet argument through and through.
if god doesn't exist than who's jesus's dad? check mate atheists
You got em on the ropes!
Your mom
Mary just needed a cover up story for cheating on Joseph
@@lonzoformvp5078 exactly
Pfff
If god doesn't exist, then why are human ears in the perfect location for eye glasses?
@Andrei Salvaleon lol. Yes it's a joke. Welcome to Poe's law
haha checkmate athiests
@@cait3196 owo
Is the Eye glasses that were made to fit the human face. Not the human face were made to fit the eye glasses
Oh hello there Pangloss!
16:46 I place "personal experience" in s tier because the lack of personal experience made me lose my beliefs while I was still aware of every argument on this list. Basically the argument that is the strongest for me is the one that, without it, someone would lose all faith.
Yes, similarly, I imagine personal experience would be convincing for me, and I haven't experienced it. I imagine I would definitely rate it highest if I had. I did wonder for a bit whether I should rate it highest, since, having not had such personal experience myself, I can't find it convincing. But I think anyone who has should certainly rate it higher than any of the philosophical arguments. (I think those are all terrible.) And, thinking about it, I find other people's testimony of personal experience more convincing than any of the philosophical arguments, so even not having had personal experience myself, it's still the strongest argument for me.
@@jamesc3505 i had some personal experiences that wavered my atheism, its definitely strong
@abdelhaditayebbey: Yeah, that's possibly fair. It might be compelling, but not necessarily a good argument. I avoided saying "S tier" anyway, because, not having had personal experience myself, it isn't really either for me.
I bet a lot of people mistake the hallucinations from DMT from close death experiences as God or alien encounters
I seriously do pray you get that personal experience man. Blessed are the ones that have faith without sight, but it took me seeing the throne room to believe. I really do pray he reaches you. I know you don't believe but he really does bring peace brobro. He really does take away allot of pain.
As a theist, I really like your honest analysis and respectful attitude when describing these arguments. I actually don't use any of those arguments since I think the existence or absence of God is not something "to know" or deduce logically.Since the universe is so big compared with our knowledge, and our science is still limited, then there is neither a way to prove or disprove God's existence.Even our human brains and logic are limited so we have no way to know yet if God exists or not.We can only choose to believe or not, and any of these choices are ok since we still don't know logically/scientifically.I choose to believe in a higher power since that gives me more psychological comfort.
I’m glad you liked the video! I agree with a lot of you had to say and respect your honesty and position. Thanks for a great comment 👊
As our Universe is part of natural reality and a god is supposed to be supernatural science, limited or not, by definition can't (dis)prove the idea. There are other ways though.
if you crave psychological comfort id suggest therapy..
@@simply_oat755 If it gives him comfort, religion IS his therapy
@@simply_oat755 My theistic belief would be that everything that exists is essentially God. Now I don't think there is any refutation for that unless we do not exist. But it is just my belief, which is not shared by a lot of people.
“If god is not real then why is Christianity so popular?” - a priest, literally
edit please stop talking i dont care
My friend said the same thing about chakras. If it's not real, why do so many people on CZcams believe in it
Well then
Superman is real
What an easy question. Propaganda, forceful christianisation, proselytisation, power plays, keeping people ignorant, cultism, attacking other beliefs, etc.. etc
Also, Christianity is NOT popular. It's actually just metastasized, like cancer.
My dad said that to me years ago
NerveSystem once again I’m Catholic and I say it’s an argument not legit proof
SSS Tier: "I am God"
Perfection.
@@hitthemill8595 don't have to, you can just *_believe_* it.
I'd just call that the "Pre-JiK Kanye Tier"
Kanye tier you mean
@@shamusson Prove it to yourself by taking psychedelics. It is subjective AF, but better than nothing.
As a muslim, you talk in a very kind manner. I respect you for not being emotionally enraged (unlike the other antitheist preachers) and keeping it civil and humane.
I want to say, sorry from all the hate you guys get from Americans, and LGBT people, not all of us are like that.
@@megan8932 what does lgbt have to do with anything
@@theperfecttroller gay
@@theperfecttroller Lgbtq+ groups hate Muslims do to the fact that in their religion it is haram(sin) to be Lgbtq+
@@megan8932I'm confused. You think the LGBT community is too ... discriminatory towards muslims? But muslims are, on the whole, pretty homophobic, transphobic, etc. So I think an animosity is justified.
Personal experiences are not an argument for the existence of god. They are just an argument for why that person believes in god.
Agreed
They can be especially if you encountered the same. This can be mind opening. Some carry really incredible testimonies for which they will even die for in need be
Look around you, that’s proof of god. Everything didn’t come from nothing. there had to be intelligent design. Aristotle discovered the unmoved mover theory 3000 years ago. Look it up, it’s actually interesting philosophy.
@@Stevewilldoit96watch the whole video
@@Stevewilldoit96ok sure everything around us is proof of god. now which god is it proof of?
"God exists, therefore God exists”
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And that's it case closed , good night *Mic Drop*
@@funguy-yt7632 oops
God must exist, therefore God exists.
Well the Hebrew name of God revealed to Moses is "I am that I am" or "I will be that I will be"
In my opinion, the weakest argument is “The Bible proves that the Bible is correct!”
Archon of Games While „it is be true because it says it is“ is circular reasoning, „It may be true because some guy wrote it down as though it were a few thousand years ago“ is just called „working with historical sources“. A lot of effort goes into figuring out what is and is not belivable (loads of propaganda or just fantasy epics that were never meant to be taken as fact etc.), by cross-referencing the text with other evidence. finding out about the author and on and on. A single text says there was a battle here 2000 years ago and we actually found a 2000 year old weapon or two in that area? That‘s usually enough to make it into history books. Two sources of opposing political sides share a story that‘s more or less comparable? Something like that most likely happened. Two sources share a story thats almost identical? Probably never happened.
Just because some texts were collected in a book and some weren‘t you can‘t discount their possible value as historical sources. As far as I know the jury is still out on the believability of the gospels in scientific circles (correct me if I‘m wrong, my knowledge may not be up to date). As far as I know they actually compare favourably to other sources we consider factual. If they were telling a story that was easy to believe, the gospels might probably be taught as history by now.
But, as you know, extraordinary claims require extraordinary evidence and with a claim like that I‘m honestly not sure if any historical source could ever suffice.
That one falls in the category of personal experience, I would say. But that's actually more reliable because its accounts of several people instead of just one.
Btw you do mean "bible proves God exists" right? I don't think I've met someone claiming what you said.
Congrats. You just unlocked the No tier class
Its funny, if more people would actually read the bible, there would be less and less believers, as the bible contradicts and denies itself NON STOP.
Felsbrocken I agree there would be fewer believers, but only because of the actual content of it. I challenge the fact that the bible contradicts itself at all let alone constantly. I hear people say that constantly with little proof. I have seen videos like those made by Non-stamp-collector, but if you look at the bible as a collection of documents by limited individuals rather than some sort of continuous narrative, most of those "contradictions" disappear
I was born and raised a Christian, this is possibly the calmest and most level headed video I've seen. I respect your ideas and information. I know my beliefs boil into the personal experience category as I'm tormented a lot with night terrors. Although I could potentially see the other side I'm not capable of understanding it from my own understanding
love these comments, wish everyone could understand calmly and no one would have to rant and hate on people for stuff, what a idealistic world tho.
The only reason he is level headed is because he’s talking to a camera.
@@Levi-xx1mjlol…cynical much?
dr squash, I’m sorry to hear that. I used to be a Christian, but now, I am a more enlightened agnostic atheist who has a lot of inner peace…I wish you peace and happiness, despite your inner turmoil. Being raised religious is a HELL of a thing to have to overcome….believe me, I know from first hand experience.
@@tripledogmlgf1411great comment! It’s all we can hope for during these especially crazy times, right?
If jesus doesn’t exist, whom did I see yesterday at the bus with long hair
PenguinZ/Moist Critikal
@@ans_5137 LOL
Sss tier argument was the article that was “45 year old man dies, gets revived, claims god was wearing timbs
Trash boat is that real
Well obviously God wears Converse
Garett Crook yeahhhhhh....no. I like to imagine god as a huge naked guy wearing only timbs. Much more style than Lucifag will ever have
Lord Xavier guys calm down I was joking. God obviously wears crocs
“he was fresh as fuck”
What's ironic about Pascal's Wager is that if anyone chooses to believe in god solely bc they would suffer less... I don't think god would be pleased and allow them into heaven
Along the same token, if the only reason you know it's wrong to murder people is because your religion tells you so, you have a dangerously low amount of basic human empathy. i meann god damn (literally).
In the old testament God decided to accept Abraham because he was sure that he feared him
@@dragooll2023 Is the Old Testament still canon to the Christian fandom? I thought it got retconned when the sequel New Testament came out around 100AD?
@@sircatfaceesq578 I do not comprehend what you're saying
@@dragooll2023 he’s asking if the Old Testament is still seen as ‘real’ by Christians, though he’s wrapped it up in a joke about Christianity being a fanbase dedicated to the Bible as if it’s a piece of media.
Let's say, hypothetically, that the fine tuning argument is right. It only deals with the creation of the universe and nothing more. Thus, it still has at least three extra aspects about it that many modern day theists would be very reluctant to embrace. 1. The argument doesn't tell you how many gods were involved in the universe's creation; it could be any number. 2. The argument doesn't tell you whether the god or gods that created the universe continued to exist after the creation, or whether it/they exist still. 3. The argument doesn't prove life after death.
The theists that I've heard make the fine tuning argument don't only want to win the supernatural creation debate; they want their opponent to automatically make the mental leap of accepting all the tenants of their specific religion.
yeah, the fine tuning argument belongs less so to a specific religion and is more of a deist approach. you can accept it without belonging to any specific religion
If you want to get into classical theistic arguments, cool.
1. The creation of the universe and of its aspects is the truest example of omnipotence, or the ability to do anything that can be done. 2 beings can't both be maximally powerful, because that would be an internal contradiction. Think about it this way: what is infinity minus infinity? An infinite being only makes sense in the singular. That doesn't mean that we don't believe other beings existed before creation, we do (they're called angels, they aren't omnipotent), but the being that is infinite is what we call God.
2. By nature, if a being exists outside of time, needed in order to be the uncaused cause because only a timeless being can be uncaused, it has never and will never cease to exist. If a being creates wood, can it be made of wood? Same thing. A being that creates time can't exist within it.
3. True. We have to trust other forms of revelation God has given us.
Hope it makes sense! Have a blessed day!
@@dataman6310but the argument didn’t prove the beings involved were infinitely powerful
@V0xct difference between maximally powerful and infinitely powerful. Maximal power is the ability to do anything "that can be done". Infinite power is the ability to do anything. God is maximally powerful. He can't create a stone he cannot lift, nor create a triangle with more than 180 degrees, but those are logically impossible, and maximal power doesn't account for logical impossibility.
How do we know God is maximally powerful? If he created space, time, matter, and energy, there's nothing that can be done that he couldn't do.
.....for being " bad" as in being " sinful". Another good news! No such thing as sin but errors in judgement which are not necessarily punishable by eternal fire(a concept to scare people)
but are correctable by proper guidance, redirection or reorientation.
But for the argument in S-tier we might be asking the wrong question. Maybe instead of asking ‘why is the universe like this’ while looking for physical laws to justify this, we should ask ‘why are we humans in a universe with these specific conditions. This of course opens up the possibility for there being a multiverse, but if there is an infinite number of universes out there it is 100% certain that a universe with our characteristics exist, and it is the only universe we could possibly exist in which is why we’re in this one. Great video! Thank you!
agreed. very good of you to think of it from this perspective.
In one song in Greydon Square’s music, he samples a Michio Kaku speech where the theoretical physicist talks about multiverse theory. Although I’m pretty sure Kaku is a believer in a deistic type of god, still, I learn a lot every time I listen to it! Good stuff. Ideas matter. Logic matters…I wish there had been more classes in public school that could have taught me that stuff.
If there’s an infinite number of universes than there’s probably an infinite number of exact copies of our universe. Though they may diverge down different paths at any given second.
If there were multiverses that still doesn’t disprove God, but it would disprove the problem of evil since God has created infinite universes and given all free will, the randomness of humans and the devils deception would change how evil our world would be universe to universe.
by asking why are humans in a place with these conditions, are you not seperating humans from their environment? viewing humans as something that was placed in this world as an outsider rather than as something that grew out of the world where these conditons were already taking place is a relgious perspective in itself. And if the question you are asking is these conditions for life were too complex to not have been created by a god then that means that a complex being had to have made them. And if god is that complex being and complex things have to be created then who created god? and so forth...
S+ "It's written in the Bible"
If I had a dollar for every time someone said “but the Bible says” in a science class
@@LEGO_GrandAdmiral if that happened to me, I would have no dollars. Because nobody in my school was that uneducated.
@@LEGO_GrandAdmiral Lmao what school did you go to.. that never happened in my science class
Me: So, why should I believe in God?
My friend: Because it's written in the Bible!!!
Me: But...
My friend: And that means he exists!!!
Me: ._.
Barney arizona public schools are some of the worst in the country 😂
F minus tier: God exists because the Bible says he does.
That'd be like saying The Cat in the Hat exists because the Book exists. Thank you for spotting out people who probably exist
@Doom Slayer three A tiers and a C tier, not bad!
@Doom Slayer God has never answered a single person as a result of prayer, otherwise the idea of "working in mysterious ways" wouldn't exist, because his reasoning would be given through his communication with his followers. Just as many people who have claimed to see heaven and hell have claimed to have seen things such as ghosts, aliens, bigfoot, etc. Human experience is fallible, especially when perception is not something that is always guaranteed to be reliable in humans (brain diseases, conditions that induce hallucination, etc.) The devil is mentioned in the bible, but his proof is never found in how people are influenced. To say he is real because the bible says he is real is the same argument as the 'cat in the hat' argument.
@zeuytz please find evidence for your argument before spilling your opinion into the comment section.
@Doom Slayer Bruh you didn't have personal experiences with God. Something just happened to you and because of false dichotomy and confirmation bias you think conveniently it is the work of that particular God you believe in. But you probably won't see the vid nor hear me out so at least do not have children
This reminded me of a time when I attended a religious camp as a kid. The group leaders(who were adults) were posing as atheists and we were supposed to convince them that God exists. After two hours they were like nevermind and told us to forget about it lol.
Timothy 2:12
@@squanchwater4715LMFAOO
show them quran
@@Space_e_e_E_ pretty sure they cant read it
@@Space_e_e_E_The book that treats an Arab warlord as the final prophet of god?
there's also the fact that rarely someone is trying just to convince you that god exists, but instead that their religion is the right one, which is so much harder.
I mean I'd argue that 10/12 disciples died for their beliefs, even after having had the chance to recant and save their lives. From that I can reasonably assume that they genuinely believed they saw Jesus risen from the dead after his crucifixion or else they wouldn't die for it. Overall I think it's far more likely that they weren't all insane and that Jesus did rise from the dead and do miracles than that some zealots were so crazy they'd die for a lie or mass hallucination.
That would be my starting point, overall there are a lot more reasons, but I find it a lot more compelling than religious/cult leaders (Joseph Smith for example) who rake in wealth, power and multiple wives.
Before you argue that what they saw is real, you have to argue whether these people were real at all. Also the amount of mass deaths in cults and other related movements would argue your point of them not wanting to make such a lethal decision. In fact a less intelligent and older people are more likely to end up doing some like this I'd think. When you you think of characters in history that have done these extraordinary acts that end up recorded in history books and such why is their so almost no mention of these events and actions and people who took place.@@lukasg4807
@@lukasg4807Millions of Nazis died in the world wars. It must be that the Jews were really bad, otherwise they wouldn't sacrifice joining the military to help Hitler eradicate the bad Jews. /s
@@lukasg4807people can do crazy things, and I tend to veer towards the side of theoretical possibility (in this case, mass hallucination or a historical obfustication of some sort) than an option purely conceived (Jesus rose from the dead)
@@lukasg4807i can completely see where you’re coming from though, it just sounds a little to me like the last argument in the video
> god is a shitposter
> shitpost exist
>Therefore, god exist
Ah, follower of mighty Trolldin you are.
God is Australian?
The logic is sound. I just wonder where you got your premises from.
@@torondin No, you got it wrong. Mighty Loki has been described as a god who trolls people by, among other ways, using different personas. He tricked you into believing that Trolldin exists => Loki exists
BlacksmithTWD the logic is valid, not sound.
The list caps out at S-tier, because God-tier arguments don't exist.
Underrated comment
Everything came from a Powerful external force. This “force” is titled God.
lul
i love this comment
God-tier would be god literally coming to earth and saying "Hey, guys, it's me, god. I exist. Glad to sort that out, bye 👋 "
towards the end my goosebump only gets stronger and stronger. And here I thought Pascal's Wager is the best argument. Your channel is a blessing for me as an evangelical student.
well you can twist things to augment your own world view anyways
The virgin "YOU WILL GO TO HELL IF YOU DON'T BELIEVE!!" vs the Chad "It was revealed to me in a dream.".
Typing "skepticism" is like playing ping pong on your keyboard
I don't know what to do with this vital and *VERY* useful piece of information -- But thanks anyway.
Damn you're right
Skeptisicm
Woah.
Woah actually works too.
Skepticism
God made our fingers to fit perfectly for keyboards so we can play ping pong by typing skepticism
“Thank god I’m an atheist” is S tier proof
ye
Thank who?
Thank Darwin I’m alive! (im an atheist)
💀
I'm an Atheist and use OMG/thank God so much
@@JohnnySilvercock380 Darwin was agnostic.
As a Muslim I like how respectful he is in his discussion.
See I'm a muslim too, but I'm leaning more towards atheism just because so much of Islam doesn't make sense. Islam is supposed to be a pretty accepting religion too, since most muslims believe that evolution exists. It's just that certain things like "humans were made from mud and clay" or "homosexuals are bad people" are just contradicting other things they say, especially since a big premise of Islam is that we are supposed to help people and be accepting of them no matter what their beliefs are.
@@spicytee133 I'm not muslim, but that doesn;t disprove Islam, it just means the Quran isn't literally true
@@rawcopper604 yeah that’s pretty obvious, but I never mentioned anything disproving Islam, I just mean that it contradicts itself very the often. For example, it says that humans were created by god from mud and clay, but Islam also accepts that evolution exists. I know that humans weren’t made from mud and clay and that we did evolve from earlier hominidae, but that is just the most common thing that Muslims say to set people apart from animals. Please don’t act passive-aggressive towards me because I was born into Islam and I’ve lived most of my life believing the Quran. I’m on the same side you are. And it’s a bad idea to make generalizations about religions by saying things like “the Quran is wrong,” because it says things that are true too and agree with science. May I ask if you are an atheist or if you believe in some religion other than Islam?
@@spicytee133 I am atheist, although I come from orthodox and catholic Christianity. The Qur'an says some things that are just wrong, like bone being formed before flesh when a baby is formed, and the things it says are mostly vague and unimpressive and could be interpreted in a million other ways. of course, one could say that this has some deeper meaning behind it and isn't literally true, so it really doesn't disprove anything.
@@spicytee133 Evolution and the creation of humans don't contradict. Humans are a miracle rather than evolution whereas evolution still takes place for other animals.
the best thing about Polytheism is that personal experiences dont contradict each other
the more the merrier
Especially if the Pantheon someone believes in includes a trickster god. Perhaps the Norse got it right and Loki made Christianity for a laugh.
@@arcticpangolin3090 actually a kinda funny theory
S tier is when someone on the side of the road tells me I’m going to hell unless I repent. Gets me every. damn. time.
@Doom Slayer well God never told me personally I guess.
Do you ever beep at them rudely
@@app5387 you need to real level 6 of charisma for that to happen
Sometimes i hear voices of jesus in my head, but then i remember im muslim and that this voice must be muhammed :) HAHAHAH im so funny
@Doom Slayer Of course Doom Slayer himself says this :0
My own personal favorite:
The creation of the universe was a thing that was done
If a thing is done, no one does it like Gaston
No one creates the universe like Gaston
Gaston created the universe.
Infinity S tier
You've convinced me.
you should have continued the song!
I'm Gastonian now
I am Gaston
What on earth is this channel... I love it😂 personally I'm a Christian and the main reason I am willing to believe is that it's logically possible for there to be a God and obviously some people think logically possible for there not to be a God. So now I have a choice and I have decided to go with the God side because I feel there is significant historical evidence even though there is a chance it's all just crazy people or something (sometimes you gotta take risks in life and it's not hurting me because I feel like I'm able to have a relationship with God and it makes me happier even if it's not real lol). And I choose Christianity because thats what makes the most since to me. This is the first video of yours I've seen so I don't want to judge a book by it's cover, but the only thing I usually hear atheists saying is that I can't logically prove God exists, therefore He doesn't exist which is dumb. Thanks for being chill and open about your learnings and good luck on your endeavors 👍
Thanks for not being a really loud and mean crazy religous person have a nice day
Even if god doesn't exist god still gives a good set of moral values, holds you accountable to love everyone and be the best person you can be without any external force but yourself doing this. Christianity can make someone think or take a new point of view and think of everyone equally instead of being a savage although we do know how many wars religion has caused just like any difference but thank god for opening some people's mind to new ideas instead of feeling disgust which humans naturally do when they see anything different than what they are used to like (skin color, food, appearance, etc). Even if some people don't believe it has helped many.
Love it
This is what separates theism and deism. Theists, like you believe in god because of no particular logic. It just makes sense to you. While deist will claim that they believe in god due to logic. I think it's important for people to know this.
@@Qwthetoast are they in the room with us right now?
I love what you’ve done here Drew. Well done.
Damn. That hurt.
God y’all ever thought about how this man is a boomer
@@margotklein2331 the original boomer
Well, its not that you DON'T exist... its that You have to PROVE You DO. And Allah has more followers on Twitter-um-sorry.
@@ProjectAndros Fuck Allah. He still hasn't given my phone charger back.
Ayyy God, when i die, i want new game plus. Kay homie?
I saw someone use the bible as an argument once: "the bible exists, so god is real!"
Obviously i was baptised the next day, since this was all the evidence i needed to leave my atheïst ways
Damn bruh, "the bible exists so god is real"?
Say no more, I renounce agnostic pragmatism and will attempt become a priest posthaste
Wait the bible is actually real? Amen checkmate atheists
I'm getting baptized tomorrow.
Dang that means Batman is really to holy shit MOM-
@@letroll8954 but I also have a religious book,why aren't people recognizing me like that
“Just look at his creation!” Is my personal favorite to hear
My personal refutation of the Teleological Argument is that the sense of "purpose" that things have and their interconnectedness is actually the product of things coming about in the only possible ways they can rather than them being designed to work in a cohesive way. If that makes sense at all lol
I believe in some form of higher power. For me, a form of the teleological argument is the reason.
There's never been a point in history where we could explain everything we observe. As long as there is more to observe in space and in time and in whatever other unknown curled-up dimensions we do not yet understand, there is more to explain.
In my opinion it is OK to ascribe explanations for the unexplainable while they are unexplainable; some way to rationalize what we cannot. From what we understand about the advent of life and intelligence, and from a pure probability standpoint, it seems more likely than not that something with more intelligence than us exists within or outside our universe; suggesting otherwise seems anthropocentric. For me, anything more intelligent than humanity can be considered a higher power.
The big bang resulted from a set of physical laws and particles with slightly differing localized densities that precipitated the events of our universe. Where did that set of laws and particles with differing localized densities come from? I think it is not unreasonable and is comforting for any intelligence - not just humans - to believe that came from something intelligent.
where is the S+ argument "CaN yOu SeE tHe AiR?!?"
bold of you to equate "S+" with "F-"
you have never seen your brain, does that mean your brain does not exist?? don't tell me you are just convinced by looking at other people's brains, that just proves that they had a brain, doesn't mean you have one too !!!
My religion teacher in high school used something similar. "Can you see atoms?"
I just looked at her: "No, but there are machines that can detect them" (and now we can actually see them, sorta)
She just gave up right there.
I still consider her to be a fantastic religion teacher. She never once graded me badly for being an atheist and I respect that.
I mean, yea, that's why the sky is blue.
We have the technology to detect and observe oxygen and nitrogen molecules that constitute the air. We can't see emotions either (another favourite argument), but we can observe the hormonal and electrical activity across synapses that is responsible for them. This type of argument is dead as a doornail. God fills the gaps created by our own ignorance. Because there will probably never be a time when we understand everything about the Universe, there will always be room for God. And as such, fighting against religion makes no sense. What does make sense is focusing on widespread, honest, unbiased education and development of critical thinking, and giving people the freedom to decide for themselves what - if anything - they want to believe. Religious upbringing is also not a bad thing, as long as the child has access to all the things I mentioned above and is allowed to choose, once they are old enough, what they want to do with their life without fear of ostracism or discrimination.
One thing I'm sure of is that stigmatising people one way or the other won't get us anywhere.
As a Christian, I saw a great counterpoint to Pascal's Wager. Ricky Gervais said "well why don't you put garlic over your door then just in case Dracula exists"
well tbf vampires are supposed to request permission to enter so he wouldnt be able to get in anyways
@@tkayzzy8164 what if they dont?
well going to hell is probably a lot more significant than a vampire visiting, to most people
@@SKKaelth according to folklore they all must due to some mythological shit man. It only changed for the new age movies and all that so I say "supposed"
You are not a Christian if you believe "just in case". Jesus said: "These miraculous signs will accompany those who believe: They will cast out demons in my name, and they will speak in new languages. They will be able to handle snakes with safety, and if they drink anything poisonous, it won’t hurt them. They will be able to place their hands on the sick, and they will be healed..."
When I TRULY believed, I received miraculous power to accompany it. In example, I prayed a friend into God's presence and out of a coma when he hung himself in prison.
If you haven't seen or experienced radical miracles, then you have not begun to experience the life of saving faith.
This video is valuable for both atheists and theists. Great video
I have always accepted the arguments against the existence of God and yet continued to believe in God because of the personal experience. A few years ago, however, I stopped feeling personal experience and today I am an atheist.
spiritual death
So, bro. After achieving and reaching level 10, you decided to go down to 1 and work yourself up again?
So, as an avowed atheist, you are simply and actively denying the existence of God which does not necessarily mean that God does not exist ....but only objecrively true from your perspective in your present state of your critical and mental and faith level of development.
@@conradbulos6164 you cant deny the existence of something that doesnt exists. if someone says unicorns arent real, does that theyre simply in denial that they exist?
and whuch god are you talking about here?
Best Atheist ever. Doesn't make fun of Christianity, and uses rational thinking to seek truth. Coming from a Christian.
Most atheists don't make fun of Christianity, what are you on about?
@@GermanShepherd2 well, certain atheists I've seen (on platforms other than youtube) seem to directly hate people in religions opposed to just not believing
@@EclipseINF Yep a lot of Christian's hate atheists too and basically bully them. At least at what I've seen.
@@GermanShepherd2 most ive seen have
@@zornstein_-9472 Well considering you believe in a religion that thinks people will burn forever for not believing I think people are entitled to poke fun from time to time, no inquisitions or holy crusades coming from Atheists so I think you’ll be fine.
If god doesn't exist, who gives CJ money when he does car jumps in GTA San Andreas
asking the actual questions here
God exists, but only in the game, that's why we don't get money when we do car jumps in real life
@@fulana_de_tal speak for yourself
@@fulana_de_tal eu ganho
@@robin2117 f e n o m e n a l
Thanks for an enjoyable and informative review of the world's favorite apologetics.
I’m an Episcopalian and, while we are Christians that believe in the teachings of Jesus and the Bible, the culture of the church does not lend itself to hardcore evangelism. The nature of our teachings and practices encourage interpretation, questioning, and doubt in our faith and the Bible. For that reason, I’ve always struggled with the idea that MY God is the only correct answer. It’s a classic saying but I think everyone can be a little right even if different beliefs completely contradict each other.
All this to say, I really appreciate your refutations to all the stated arguments, I am a strong believer that it’s really healthy to question your own beliefs and evaluate how you truly feel! The whole video I was waiting for the argument in the S tier because that is one of the reasons I believe science and faith can work in tandem, but hearing your refutation was a refreshing perspective ❤️ Thank you so much for your work to be respectful but make people reevaluate their views. I never leave long comments like this, but I just really wanted to express my support even as a theist. Great video!
Uh, viv, I suggest that you reevaluate your position and belief in the bible as a whole cuz you really need to discriminate and isolate those passages that on its face are unbiblical like those contained in Leviticus and Deuteronomy on some misbehavior and some teachings of Jesus that are so unJesusnlike and obviously put in his mouth by writers who want to put fear in their readers or listeners, falslely using the name of Jesus.
Cont....are you then calling yourself an Episcopalian theist or Christian theist which means worshipping God with your own unique forms of ritual and ceremony as a worshipping religious group more out of faith than a certainty about God's existenc
-z tier:
The Bible said god exists
God wrote the Bible
God says god exists
People who witnessed were the ones who wrote the Bible
Luke didn’t witness anything. He was a doctor. There were no doctor’s in Jesus’s supposed circle.
@Logan Leatherman what are you to say does not make any sense to me in the slightest. No because I’m stupid but because whatever you said makes no sense to anyone.
SOMEHOW way more eficient argument that everything else mention in this video... (and it is z tier)
Coolkidnow100 GAMING AND MORE! It makes perfect sense. Besides, if you were stupid, you would not know it.
the SSS+ argument: im right, you’re wrong, la la la im not listening
SSSSS+ tier: If you don't believe in God, ur gae
. Not a totally wrong statement too lol🤣
Truly formidable
There’s just no winning, in fact there’s no point arguing
Unfortunately we have ban those word due to it can end any argument
Honestly I've heard that more in political arguments than theistic
Great video! I do love Anselm's ontological argument that, basically, being able to imagine something makes it true. We can all sit around and imagine things all day!
If you don't think this is the greatest possible comment somebody could post here, well, try imagining that it is...
The second part of xour comment makes it worth a like! lol had a good chuckle over that 😅
Non hai capito un cazzo
I thought the moral argument would be lower but I guess the special ability moves it up a lot.
My favorite version of Pascal’s wager is what if there’s a god who only sends atheists to heaven
If they say it doesn’t make sense, just tell them “God works in mysterious ways”.
Darkmatter actually made a video titled "The greater insult" where his version of god took an islamic girl, a christian guy and an atheist guy, and asked if the other 2 wanted to switch with the atheist.
Obviously, they said no, and the atheist was free to go.
The skepticism in the video is so pithy and weak, as you may have already knew different sects in the religious sphere has their own concept of life after death, some do believe in a black or white (heaven or Hell) others believe they will be resurrected into other beings, some believe they will be stripped off conscioussness and become one with the universe, this guy uses big words but i promise you all of his arguments have grave deffects in them , he couldnt even refute the pascal's wager using his 'fallacy technique' nearly every atheist i met have something for this reasoning perspective unbeknownst to them, these systems were a human thought and atheist point of view is conducted by a 'moral relativism' which means that as an atheist you can use these fallacies to support your argument and you would be right and u can reject them and call them stupid, and you would still be right.
@OLGaming dude literally, you're embarassing yourself, the wager is actually not an argument for God's existence 😂😂 have you ever read the oxford handbook of philosophy of religion? No? Literally it states that this is not an argument for God's existence such an argument requires evidence whether it was impirical or conceptual, this argument is to induce the belief in God or rather, make the belief in God a rational thing, don't get mad bro we're trying to have healthy discussions.
v o i d he’s fucking with u bro
What if every religion's god actually exist, and are just competing with each other for followers like the Earth is their social media platform or something 🤔
I think that's the plot of American Gods
Well that's a concept that was sort of explored by riordan as well, where the relevancy of gods on the mortal world seems to be related to people having faith in them and needing and praying to them, he also implies that science works because humans believe it does
I mean, the three major religions (Christianity/Islam/Judaism) all worship the same God. 🤷🏻♂️🤷🏻♂️🤷🏻♂️
@@dominionbeats but they hate each other...
Imagine being a god and all major factions of your followers want you to help them kill each other. The worst kind of interest conflict
@ז5.אדם ג'ורנו its basically the same god, there are minor differences between islam and christianity (like the names) but its mostly quite similar, from what I know.
I don't really know about the jewish god but these three religions are very related so I guess it would make sense for their gods to be similar.
Isnt Jesus the son of god in christianity as well? I mean sure hes also god but why let being your own father stop you?
The teological argument has a simple explanation. The only universe where there would be people observing it is where all the constants are perfect. If they weren’t perfect, then there would be no one to see it.
how do you know it's perfect? it's probably not, as there is another worlds having different constants as our universe (considering we've seen so little, it's ignorant to say there's no other world) but it's made 'perfect' for us by of course, none other than God almighty himself.
The only problem is this only attempts to prove that the universe is perfect and not that god made it perfect
@@mubaraksenju7521 Do you know what "Natural selection" is? According to you, there are more universes, so it could be that they are being created constantly, and those universes whose laws aren't good enough just collapse, while those that do have constants are "perfect" persist. But this theory cannot be denied nor proven right now, just like the existence of god. Best we can do is just follow what we trust without forcing it into other people.
Interesting I love how your rating about those arguments was like you where talking about CoD Builds
I would object to Pascal's Wager being classified as an argument for God's existence. It is an argument for why you should worship a God, not if one actually exists.
One implies the other. Unless you are saying you should worship something that doesn't exist, when the logic behind it is that you worship it on the chance that one does.
@Nathan Ritchie
The thing is, pascals wager is valid but not conclusive. Hence to make a conclusive argument one can't rely on pascals wager only.
And yet bozos including this vids star are Incapable of comprehending that obvious oversight, ironic that some won't recognize the fact that misunderstanding arguments make it impossible to point out said arguments flaws
@@icanfartloud
Could you elaborate on that by providing an example of what you are referring to?
Worship literally means expressing your belief in a deity and is really a ritual of submission. You can't worship a God that you don't accept as real - or in other words: "God doesn't make deals". It's all or nothing - so the "argument" is that God supersedes all logic and you should believe in him no matter what.
I've always hated Pascal's Wager too, but for a different reason. Coming from a person who believes in God, I feel that if you only believe in God for the fear of what happens if you don't then it is ingenuine. I've always felt that many religious people make it way too black and white (as you stated) and simply saying you believe in God doesn't do anything.
I don't think this display of Pascal's Wager is accurate. It is meant for someone who is on the fence about faith or no faith. All else being the same, it would be better to practice faith than to not. Giving Pascal's Wager to anyone who has no intention to convert is worse than non-effective.
That argument is the reason people are religious. The fear of what happens after death is the main reason religion was created and still exists
Also eternally burning in hell together with murders, rapists and pedophiles simply for not believing in the correct god seems rather harsh to me.
@@jemand7488 I disagree. Sure, it does offer some sense of security, but that is not the main reason why most (at least I) believe in God. I wouldn't call myself the most religious person, but God, or some form of it, seems like the most natural conclusion. And don't take this as me trying to push religion or anything, just stating that fear is not my reason for believing.
@@zanzull Yeah, I agree to a point. There is no way we could actually conceptualize Heaven and Hell or what it contains. So maybe there would be varying degrees of damnation or whatever. Maybe not. And many religions/denominations explore this such as Purgatory in Catholicism being a place for those who are good people but lack faith.
This provides excellent food for thought!
Admittedly I'm less into the logic sort of stuff now, 'ultimate truth'/truths, more the "workability" of the possible options on deity, spirituality, mind, religion, culture in general. Even if I do love logic while being fallible to fallacy, & am more aware of my emotionalness & reactiveness now!
"I'm less into the logic"
Atheists and Agnostics: "And i took that personally. It did became a personal offense at that point."
I like how he'd describing each arguement like they''re videogame characters with different stats and special attacks lol
Tier-Atheist
He is also continuously referring to a tier lost as something to rank powers.
My guy people make fastfood tierlists and they aren't saying a Burger could beat fries in a fight
I feel like he is passively making fun of those arguements and its so funny lol
U should watch the channel teir-zoo
@@chrisadamo1038 Isn't... isn't Skeptic Tierzoo?
Being refuted by Homer Simpson is likely the greatest insult to any argument possible.
Yet I still find it better than most of the others...
Its also the one that I personally agree with. The wager assumes the choice is between the true belief and not choosing it. But if you settle on a religion that God hates more than anything you're worse off.
@@williamwatson4354 I'll do you one better: What if God is an evil cthonian abomination like Cthulhu and such that, under normal circumstances, finds humans beneath notice but prayer and devotion attract its baleful attention?
Since gods are, by definition, not subject to any rules *ANYTHING* is equally possible.
Juan Carlos Gonzalez while the raw belief of diety is that there are no rules there are actually religions that support the idea that god must abide by certain rules or else he would cease to be god. Just a little food for thought there.
@@jordancox6634 Sure, but those rules are entirely arbitrary. What I mean is that there's no hard-coded criteria to what constitutes a God apart from enormous power and, oftentimes, a hand in the creation and/or administration of one or more parts of the Universe.
Would love to see a respectful debate between yourself and CZcamsr Inspiring Philosophy!
Pretty sure the teleological argument is a textbook example of survivor bias...
God tier: "Have you ever seen a tree without a tree builder?"
That argument is nuts!
Get it?
That is definitely rooted in reality.
😏
God tier argument: Quran/Bible/my sketchbook/Necronomicon/etc. predicted __________
“If you take a walk in the forest, and see a painting nailed to a tree, then someone must have invented the tree”
Java programmer here. No, I haven't.
There is a God bc without God there'd be no devil and there's no way Legos hurt that much when u stand on them
Checkmate, Atheists.
Thank you for converting me I now see the true way
Testify
Tom Waits wrote, "There ain't no Devil; it's just God when He's drunk."
i was an atheist until i read this comment
13:07
A puddle wakes up one morning and thinks "This is a very interesting world i find myself in, fits me very neatly"
We often tackle this concept from our senses. But if we limited our senses, we wouldn't be able to give an definitive answer. For example, if you're blind and not knowing what a dragon fruit is. You might touch around, smell it, tap on it but you don't know what's color it is. So the same problem with tackling the idea of God. Most of people and myself a few years ago wrestle with the idea of God's existence from observable senses: sight, touch, smell and listen, etc. but human are more capable. We forgot to look inward into our soul: why are you feeling emptiness, why are you feeling there is no purpose, why do bad things happens, why i can't overcome bad habits, and so on. It deals more with relationship with ourselves and others. When our lives is good, we forget about God (even with Christian). So when you face the disaster and difficulty and suffering (everyone will just a matter of when), you will either think it critically or move on with your life. Find the Truth and the Truth will set you free. Free from what? Free from loneliness, emptiness, hatred, jealousness, self-pity. This is not a debate to win anyone over to Christ, God of the universe can handle Himself. But rather explore the human mind/psyche capability to beyond. One will hardly hear a whisper on a loudsy street. Try to find God when 99.95% of the time busying making money, and pursuit self-pleasure whether it's watching shows, drug, sex, videogame, sport, etc. and etc. When the tiny device keep beeping for notifications ramping up dopamine high and FOMO anxiety set in. Mental problem is on the rise, but people doing to themselves.
You are wise one indeed and it is true the answer is within us in our deepest part of our beings the spirit. That is where connection to God lays and it operates on faith because it is supernatural
I considered myself Christian until senior year of high school, but I had been questioning my beliefs for several years prior. I spent the next 7 years after high school considering myself an atheist, which brought on constant challenges to my beliefs and pleas to "return to God" from my family. 2 years ago, I finally found spiritual peace. That was when I finally acknowledged that I simply don't know. The creation of the universe could've been random occurrence. It could've been created by a god. Hell, we could be the science project of a higher dimensional being in a universe sized petri dish. I'm okay with not knowing.
My parents have finally given up trying to convince me of my ignorance, so we're able to have meaningful discussions about life, religion and politics without them looking down on me. When I was atheist, I was convinced that religion was evil, causing so many of the world's problems. I now recognize that evil people will always find ways to justify their actions. Religion isn't inherently evil just because it's been used to justify evil. I'm now able to recognize that many of my atheist views were just as irrational as my Christian views. If there's anything to be learned from this, it's that no matter your ideology, arrogance leads to ignorance.
That is so true. It just comes down to what you feel comfortable because you can't know if God exists or not.
great comment
I really feel this comment
you sound like an agnostic, which I am too! the most logical answer to "does God exist" isn't "yes" or "no", it's "we can't know that"
Uncertainty is uncomfortable. Absolute Certainty is ridiculous
F Tier: "Look around you! Nature is pretty so God must be real!"
It makes me so angry when they say that, its impossible to argue against stupidity
I've actually heard that one many times!
The best and brightest are now offering that what u see around you is just a repetition or a 'single" dimension which is just one off from lots of next door dimensions. The movie the matrix is also considered by them as quite possibly possible or real. You tell me which is more reasonable.
Right. Easy refutation: Muck is heaven to a pig.
Similar anti-evolution argument: Look at the human body. How intricate and well-functioning it is. It could only be created by a divine Creator. Refutation: Cancer. The Appendix. The small diameter of the cervix relative to the cranial size of babies resulting in (especially before modern medicine) high rates of mother and infant death. Why would a perfect, benevolent Creator build in those features?
@@jones1618 perhaps the human body is still evolving and who said god had to be benevolent.
I like the game-oriented references. Entertaining video!
Where did you come up with these categories?
Pascal's wager isn't even an argument for God's existence, it's an argument that you should believe in God.
it's also an argument that you should believe in every infinite possibility
@@keohi2539 but u can just view the infinite of deitys as one bigger deity.
@@sieni221 I’m not talking about just deities I’m talking about any possible scenario where if you don’t believe in something it will result in a negative consequence (eg: not believing in unicorns will cause aliens to abduct you and then kill you so you better start believing in unicorns to avoid this)
@@keohi2539 the argument is more like "you don't believe in poisonous snakes and therefore you must know to avoid getting bitten by a poisonous snake"
@@Jordan-th3pr but we know poisonous snakes exist so it’s not really a wager
Forgot one of the most powerful arguments: the gunpoint argument
Very popular in Islamist countries I hear.
@@yoursonisold8743 And various forms are popular in the US like "at will employment". No, your honor, I didn't fire that man because he was an atheist *wink wink* he was 30 seconds late one day.
Not as popular as it used to be, but certainly historically effective.
Lmao
@@yoursonisold8743 Very popular throughout the history of all hegemonic religions. Christianism was established on Europe, America and Africa through bloodshed, as well.
If you look at how much accuracy and how precise everything needs to be in order for even an atom to exist. Then you go up to molecules and then it adds up
just because something is simple doesnt make it right.
Personally I find the idea of a purpose terrifying and find the thought of being insignificant and of no real importance much more comforting because no matter how much I screw up, at the end of the day, nothing really matters, just enjoy what little time you have and stop worrying about what might happen after as that just makes your life even shorter
Uh, blu, what's so bad about a purpose like Jesus saying to you, "I have come that you might life and have it abundantly" No conditions or limitations. Just appreciate life and enjoy it to fullest! No should or shouldnt!
It's not really the length of time that matters but the quality of time
that makes it worthwhile!
@@conradbulos6164 Because that means that my actions have an impact on the entirety of the universe from the moment I'm born, which makes me overthink every single thing I do and causes me so much pain, but it works for some people and that's fine, it just doesn't for me (also I find it extremely hard to believe that someone who died over 2000 years ago and then supposedly revived is still alive)
I love how he describs arguments like a magic/ yugioh card special effect.
Fallacies are like spell/trap card effects 😂, I think about philosophy as that kind of “game”
Lmao ikr
Ofc God is real the universe is real and energies are real. Atheists are just people brainwashed by science, brainwashed by the system into thinking there’s no such things as divine powers in this universe but in reality the universe goes way deeper than you think. Coincidences rarely occur, when you think of someone and they come round the corner the same second is because you’re putting that energy into the world and the universe is just responding. I had to made a video on all this and went in deep. Stay blessed 🙏
@@HarmzConscious Brainwashed by science lmao 😂
You don't even know what are you talking about man
@@HarmzConscious says the guy brainwashed bu religion inti having no free thoughts and to believe in what doesn't exist.
This is the most weirdly specific yet watchable tier list I’ve seen
Saw one about nerve gasses the other day. Can find a tierlist for anything these days!
@@ryanvandoren1519 yeah I saw that one too! I believe it was @that chemist or something.
On god, literally.
cmon his argument against the third one was “christians say science cant explain this but theyre wrong because science cant explain this”
I find it very hard to believe that anyone actually believes in god in this day and age… I think most people who believe in god only use it as a way to assure loved ones are in a heaven or are too scared to admit that there’s nothing
What about in the existence of Jesus? And his sacrifice on Calvary
@@wondermnutsmcity638
A man existing isn’t proof of a god. People exist and people die all the time, it’s not a significant point even if you accept it.
I have proof of god existence, this argument i made was the best and will make someone automatically believe
I have one, but its a country story, its from indonesia. I have deepdived searching miracles in indonesia, i have found people who is invincible to bullets, lieutenant komarudin (Was a hero of indonesia country and has max level invincibility making him invincible to physical damage he was getting raining bullets yet he still survived and it is hisotry between indonesia getting colonized by netherland) was the one is invincible to bullets, also more proof there is a video where a man is invincible to bullets, he used a ring that possibly is cursed and gave him invincibility, and also a man demonstrating his "invincible knowledge" as he shoots his hand with a metal bullet and does not pierce through his hand, only leaves a scar. The indonesian people knows what level the knowledge of invincibility, Level 1 is where you are invincible to a sword, Level 2 is where you are invincible to, i think damage of sharpest swords, Level 3 is invincibility bullets, max level is invincibility to physical damage
There is also ghosts that has level, usually in america, all of them is not strong enough to project themself and show their body, a ghost has ghost energy, a spirit is usually weaker than a real ghost. If you want to see ghosts, visit the ghost park thing on indonesian, you can see real ghosts (Which isnt supposedly to exist) like kuntilanak which is a ghost that can show themselves, has enough strong energy probability to possess.
This country might prove god existence, if you can travel to indonesia and learn their language go to a ghost park, meet with experts that has seen ghosts. America doesnt have ghosts at all, it manifested into indonesia.
This is my prove for god existence, i hope you visit the country i suggested to find god's creation (ghost) that humans dont think exists.
Proof video of man shoting himself with metal bullet: czcams.com/users/shortsT1OhocPUN7g?feature=shared
Proof video news of channel trans7 which is a channel of indonesian broadcast. This also was old and no, this does not use bad camera. Indonesian people back then watched it:
czcams.com/video/R01dvEflfJ4/video.htmlfeature=shared
I hope you visit indonesia, it's country of supernaturality existing, which is impossible for you to comprehend, just try visiting instead and learn their language. Will make you believe god existence after visiting
@@arcticpangolin3090 I have proof of god existence, this argument i made was the best and will make someone automatically believe
I have one, but its a country story, its from indonesia. I have deepdived searching miracles in indonesia, i have found people who is invincible to bullets, lieutenant komarudin (Was a hero of indonesia country and has max level invincibility making him invincible to physical damage he was getting raining bullets yet he still survived and it is hisotry between indonesia getting colonized by netherland) was the one is invincible to bullets, also more proof there is a video where a man is invincible to bullets, he used a ring that possibly is cursed and gave him invincibility, and also a man demonstrating his "invincible knowledge" as he shoots his hand with a metal bullet and does not pierce through his hand, only leaves a scar. The indonesian people knows what level the knowledge of invincibility, Level 1 is where you are invincible to a sword, Level 2 is where you are invincible to, i think damage of sharpest swords, Level 3 is invincibility bullets, max level is invincibility to physical damage
There is also ghosts that has level, usually in america, all of them is not strong enough to project themself and show their body, a ghost has ghost energy, a spirit is usually weaker than a real ghost. If you want to see ghosts, visit the ghost park thing on indonesian, you can see real ghosts (Which isnt supposedly to exist) like kuntilanak which is a ghost that can show themselves, has enough strong energy probability to possess.
This country might prove god existence, if you can travel to indonesia and learn their language go to a ghost park, meet with experts that has seen ghosts. America doesnt have ghosts at all, it manifested into indonesia.
This is my prove for god existence, i hope you visit the country i suggested to find god's creation (ghost) that humans dont think exists.
Proof video of man shoting himself with metal bullet: czcams.com/users/shortsT1OhocPUN7g?feature=shared
Proof video news of channel trans7 which is a channel of indonesian broadcast. This also was old and no, this does not use bad camera. Indonesian people back then watched it:
czcams.com/video/R01dvEflfJ4/video.htmlfeature=shared
I hope you visit indonesia, it's country of supernaturality existing, which is impossible for you to comprehend, just try visiting instead and learn their language. Will make you believe god existence after visiting
My problem with S tier is that we don’t know enough about the universe to rule out that these things didn’t just happen without anyone making them exactly that way. It’s highly improbable, but given enough repetitions, there is a non zero probability of the world being the way it currently is purely by chance, especially if the universe is infinite and unending. And we can’t know that it isn’t.
There is not really a way to define probability in this context. True, the current laws of universe are needed for the universe that we see now, and even a slight variation would have made a lot of difference.
But there is nothing to demonstrate that these laws came up by careful crafting, or randomly, or by some other process, or they are eternal.
To calculate probability, we need a data set; observations that could show us that there were other "failed" universes.
“If god doesn’t exist, then how did Jesus walk on water?”
Damn bruh aight you got me there
Dovahgatr then how did he walk on water?
He could have had supernatural powers! Which is not the direct evidence of God's existence!
Useless Hero then how did god exist?
@@mattz6752 huh?! Wdym? How did he exist?
The way I see it, Pascal's Wager isn't designed to convert new believers to a faith, but rather to keep the current believers from leaving.
Bro I was literally just playing that before I watched this video...
That was my last stage before completely going atheist. Can confirm
@Bill Cipher same for me. Then I realized if God was real and could read my thoughts, he'd know I'd think he was evil. There would be no point in me worshipping him since i'd go to hell anyways.
Pascals Wager is effectively illogical. First, you can’t make yourself believe. You can’t force yourself to love someone, to like someone, to believe in someone you previously didn’t regard in this way. You can act it out, but that in itself is deceiving and in a sense acting to deceive - whether for a God or a partner - is despicable behaviour. Second, a God will know your are pretending to believe. They will see through it, obviously, and trying to manipulate or lie to a God is not only pointless but impossible. God, if you recall, doesn’t want acquiescence he wants love. It’s an impossible wager.
Pascal's Wager argument is very mid. It defeats the purpose of having faith. Faith is not merely a fear of hell; it is a deeming attitude towards life. Faith is honest and transparent.
Hi all. I'm an apostate in need. Where do I find these communities Drew speaks of? Any direction will be appreciated. Thank you in advance.
Christian here! This is the single most respectful video from an atheist regarding theism I have ever encountered. All that you said made sense and was well articulated. Great video!
Hey man, i’m a christian who’s currently seeking truth outside of feeling. I’m opening myself up to unbiased logic as to what worldview is true. I’d like to ask if you have any unbiased reasons in which you believe in christianity?
@@jadon3416he researched the Waco Texas Massacre and concluded if objective evil exists then surely objective good must exist.
@@jadon3416Search Unmoved Mover theory, Aristotle discovered there was a monotheistic God 3000 years ago.
@@Stevewilldoit96i’ve heard it, it’s definitely great but what does that prove for a any specific God?
religion*
I’m an atheist. The only good argument for believing in god (not necessarily for arguing the existence of god) that I’ve ever heard is that without any practical implications, you might as well believe what makes you happier/what comforts you. The idea of god does that for a lot of people.
Yeah an idea of some higher up power being is nessesary for some people. Im also an atheist, if there was a one true god then why or thousands or millions of years since humans have been alive and able to think why has the idea of whivh god is real changed so many times. At one point alot of people beleived in Odin and those other gods and at another point believed in Zues and those gods. Why if there is one true god why would he allow people for thousands of years to worship false gods then and only thoysands and thousands years later sends down Jesus christ to tell everyone christian god is the real god. None of that makes sense, but people having wild imaginations and making shit up snd passing it down thru generations does make sense until someone else decides om a different view and then start passing that ideology down
The real issue with trying to prove or disprove anything is that we're almost certainly wrong, believe in science or believe in scripture both have obvious flaws. Look back through history, how many times have we been wrong about what we thought were hard facts? The people 2000 years from now will probably look back at us the same way we look back at people who believed that the earth was flat and say "Can you believe these idiots thought that gravity was just something that big enough objects had? It was always obvious that the center of the planet was filled with flesh magnets" or some shit then the people 2000 years from them will do the same. We're all just guessing till we're dead and can learn first hand what comes after, so bet on whatever you want, whatever makes ya feel nice and warm and fuzzy inside is the best option. Or ya can actively choose to believe something that depresses the fuck outta ya, won't change that no matter what you choose you're still probably wrong.
Exactly! My opinion is that I don’t care about what anyone believes, just whatever makes you happy or gives you closure. As long as you don’t force it upon others.
The reason I have chose to be religious is how my prayers have been answered. And i have saw things
@@Baconcatboy
1. You only remember the prayers that came true (and would have come true even if you didn’t pray them)
2. Everything you’ve seen can be explained rationally without invoking a higher piwer
As a Christian, i can say this was very interesting to watch. I love how respectful you stayed throughout the whole video, and didn't shame others for their beliefs.
Same
Go see chann Whatdoyoumeme channel response
m.czcams.com/video/qQ36V33jVFM/video.html
@@alexhage8092 Even though I agree with him,
I can't stand his way of making videos.
He also sounds oppionated on the topic,
Which is a red flag for either side of the argument.
@@alexhage8092 that guy seems to much focused on sounding cool but still comes out preachy
Man you just slid right by that infinite regression problem on the unmoved mover argument ahahshs
I can address this for you
Also. For the counter question "if personal xp was not at play" kind of falls off too because the whole life is a test. At some point you would hit a spike point again and, depending on where you land after that it is debetable that you would start believing then. Obvioslu humans cant just trust from nowhere. Even I with my personal xp dont fully believe, rn I believe like on 80%.
My experience got me to believe 100%. It was just too much especially because it dealt with me personally
Pascals mugging:
A: Give me your wallet
B: No why
A: Im god and you will get infinite torture in the afterlife
B: but youre most likely not really god
A: Infinite torture
B: Ok makes sense, here is my wallet
‘God will send you wherever you wanna go.’
If you believed in Pascal’s wager wouldn’t you want to believe in the religion with the harshest punishments for non belief just so you get to avoid it? Your chance of choosing right are so small, just do some basic risk aversion and nullify your worst option
@@craigstephenson7676 I think you solved it.
Lets start a new religion 😁
@@jensw9128 nooo that would make the odds worse
@@craigstephenson7676 Let's start a religion in wich the punishment for non belief is something like "being burned for an eternity while living your worst nightmare forever"
As a theist, I respect the fact that you are willing to examine contrary world views rather than building yourself within the walls of an echo chamber as so many theists do
I agree with you too
Ofc God is real the universe is real and energies are real. Atheists are just people brainwashed by science, brainwashed by the system into thinking there’s no such things as divine powers in this universe but in reality the universe goes way deeper than you think. Coincidences rarely occur, when you think of someone and they come round the corner the same second is because you’re putting that energy into the world and the universe is just responding. I had to made a video on all this and went in deep. Stay blessed 🙏
@@HarmzConscious You just asserted like 6 things without evidence. One of the more frustrating things that Theists do. How exactly do theists keep thinking that such random assertions without evidence would somehow be convincing? Oh some guy on CZcams randomly said things like 'God is real' and 'the Universe goes way deeper than you think!' Harmz you really think you have some brilliant argument here?! I'll try to use your amazing logic against you! Invisible Dragons are real and pixel fairies and their energies are real. Theists are just people brainwashed by God delusions, brainwashed by the Religious system into thinking there are things like the divine powers. See how useless that is? Asserting things without evidence can be just as easily dismissed without evidence.
@@HarmzConscious I don't think you know what energy means mate.
It's hardly a trait of just "many theists", that tendency has nothing to do with theism. It's a characteristic of humans in general. I keep seeing atheist videos with snarky comments from atheists that go too far too, like I saw a video about some elective course in Oklahoma in public school which proposed to study the bible as literature not as science, and the comments were filled by atheists saying things like "will the course be studying all the myths of every other religion too?" and they all were just agreeing with each other and it never even occurred to them that it might not be totally unacceptable, while my reaction was "what, do we also need to study every love story ever written when we cover Romeo and Juliet? Isn't it commonplace to study the ancient greek myths as literature? And when I was in high school, we also read the Iliad, which is filled with ancient greek stuff, and also Gilgamesh, which is ancient babylonian mythology." And then of course you go to political topics and they are VERY recalcitrant, being atheist unfortunately has a very high correlation with being on the hard left, and that means alignment with things like feminism, and there's no one more thickheaded and unwilling to consider reason than a feminist. It's unfortunately the case that almost everyone believes in stupid stuff for bad reasons, it's just they don't all agree on which stupid stuff to believe in.
My only reason for faith currently is: how could the universe have been created without a god. I don't want to be one of those Christians who just says the big bang never happened, but as far as my understanding goes, something can't come from nothing, something has to have been infinite for the universe to be created. Genuinely, please explain that in a way i could understand, and I'll happily relinquish my faith
There’s nothing in our understanding of the science which suggests that the universe (or anything) came from nothing. At least not nothing in a philosophical sense or a “true” nothing.
The Big Bang in particular does not suggest something from nothing, it refers to the earliest points of expansion we can observe/understand. It may not even be coherent to speak about “before” a big bang as our understanding of space and time seem to be linked with the universe itself and the expansion. So if this is true, which all the evidence seems to suggest, there was no before the universe as there cannot be a time “before” time.
In short the universe can be understood as never being created and that is has always existed in some capacity.
But as an internal critique I don’t see how it follows how a creating force would need to be infinite and I certainly don’t see why this would need to be god.
@@arcticpangolin3090 thank you for this. I do understand that the big bang is more the point where our understanding breaks down, however this provides a new angle. Thanks again. - A now transitioning atheist
Due to obvious problems when it comes to collecting empirical data every possible answer is largely speculation. One is the cyclical model; our Universe will end with a Big Crunch that coincides with the next Big Bang. Another, currently my favourite, is fluctuating quantum fields. See, quantum fields can perfectly express physical nothing while they are not philosophical nothing.
I'd like to point out that neither rules out a supernatural creator god. That's the nice thing about faith: it can't be (dis)proven by science. Science can disprove lots of theologies though. But believers can always develop new ones.
Hello there 🤗 hope your day/evening is going well!
Even if god created the universe, your question raises the bigger problem of who created God, and then who created that being and so on and so forth. (One may detect a hint of the watchmakers theory here.)
There are four basic elements to all life and with these four complex life is possible.
Here is a video that might help explain what I mean to convey:
10 Questions Atheists Can't Answer...Easily Answered.
It is tremendously helpful and explains your question better than I ever could.
Also, if you're suffering from a bit of cognitiveDissonance, that's perfectly okay and normal (most, I think, go through it).
Wishing you and yours well ❤
Who is to say it was created in the first place? Best answer is we don't know
Pascal's wager is not a proof in the existence to God, but rather a call to action. The wager points out that being complacent or refusing to seek out God is a losing bet and it is better to try to seek out God than to sit idly by in disbelief.
Go tell all the believers who use it as an argument or proof.
Lmao it’s a terrible way to prove God but I think it’s a good way to get someone into religion