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"I believe in micro-evolution, not macro-evolution"
"I believe in leaves on sticks, not in trees"..
"I believe in seconds but not years."
"No matter how many centimeters you have, you will never have a full meter!"
Puddles and seas...
One of the best calls of all time still think about it all these years later
you can walk ten feet, But ten miles is impossible 😅😅
This call is my absolute favourite. Tracy's ruthless smack down on God's morality is epic and incontrovertible.
Hearing this person describe their moral compass as "flawed, corrupt, and full of sin" made me feel truly sorry for them.
Nah, that comment about a girl being raped at the end made him lose all benefit of sympathy from me.
@@jayjasespud I suppose. But I think you'll find that *most* Christians haven't thought through the nastier implications of their belief system.
You’re assuming the little girl was innocent… no one can argue a position of morality after saying that.
This guy didn’t bring a knife to a gun fight. He showed up unarmed
This man showed up to a space race with a broken trampoline and cement shoes.
@enjflor1313 fantastic comment.
And missing a hand.
Ah yes, the infamous clip.
"You portray that little girl as someone who's innocent..."
Fucking barf forever.
"who's innocent"
I don't know how you can lead with a morally provoking question like "does child rape make you angry?" to imply it's a morally wrong situation...
...and follow up with a critique that "you're assuming she's innocent" as if to imply that she is evil and God is punishing her with rape.
The caller doesn't have a moral compass, they have an immoral compass and it's working perfectly fine. This is the type of guy you see in the news saying "she was asking for it." Sick bastard.
My atheist father never talked about morality or gods. He was instinctually kind, compassionate, generous, and helpful to strangers. My religious mother who placed moral admonitions on everything from what I ate to what I wore, had none of that instinctual compassion or urge to be of use to others. Yet she paid her tithings every week to the church.
I can’t say how morality was installed in each of them. But it was clear to me that one parent’s morality was based on a long & strict, but arbitrary, set of rules, while the other’s was about simply looking for situations in which he could help. Perhaps he only helped people to uplift his own ego. But in the end, one was clearly acting more like Jesus.
The Xian belief that God gives morality, and that following God’s rules makes one a more moral person, these argument are lost on me.
The problem with believing in objective morality is that your views on morality will crash with those of others, and you'll be ill-prepared because you're under the impression that yours is correct while everyone else "veered off the right way".
@@AXKfUN9mTrue. And the problem with being taught to follow "objective morality",
Is that YOU never have to do the work of finding out what morals actually means,
and WHY.
So you have NO developed framework, & experience using it,
with which to compare your own,
or reason,
what is good morally, or bad,
Just like being told "cos I said so",
teaches nothing about WHAT morality means, & WHY.
😁🌏☮️
A perfect example of the damage that book can do to a mind...trouble is there are millions like him..
That last comment before he was disconnected... Man, how can someone even THINK of that?
That's an easy one... because that's what religion does to the brain
It's INSANE!!! "...you assume portray that little girl as someone who is innocent..." THIS IS A CHIIIIIILD we're talking about! No one deserves to be raped and it is disgusting that he would even suggest that a CHILD would be DESERVING of such a horrible, traumatizing act. I truly hope they do not hold anything similar to that belief, or take a serious look into their current beliefs, because it's genuinely horrifying to think that man has the right to vote.
“How do you know God is moral?”
“I see that the world is full of evil-“
Weird. That would tell me that God is immoral.
😆
The book by god blesses slavery and genocide. Also misogyny, homophobia, infanticide and mass abortion. Even today murder of trans people is epidemic, caused by gods and belief in them.
How do you evaluate that God is moral, if you cannot trust your own knowledge of morality? Brilliant!
How can you know that dunking a basketball is possible, if every time you try it you fail? Checkmate theists! Im a genius in my own mind.
@@AbsentMinded619are you actually that deluded and simple minded? Did you actually think that was some kind of gotcha that made the slightest bit of sense?
@@AbsentMinded619Your behind must be really hurting for you to come here and make idiotic comments, right?
Theyre just a bad troll that comments occasionally as an attempt to sound smart and go "Gotcha Athiests!". Pay them no mind
@@AbsentMinded619that has to be sarcastic.
"We must follow THE best moral rules."
*Suggests following THE most evil and immoral rules in existence.*
"If someone said that it's best for them to drink Clorox every day, I can show them that's not right.:"
2020 says: Several million people in red hats disagree.
Every time I forget that happened, someone reminds me that that happened. What a time to be alive.
You can lead a horse water but you can't make them drink.
not a very intelligent comment
A god's subjective opinions on morality is still subjective. Theists also keep mixing up individual morality with group ethics. External dictates on how you need to act in order to avoid punishment is not morality, it's almost the complete opposite.
I don't know many people that believe in god's, I think the Hindus do but Hindus also believe in God. The belief in God has been proven to be
An instinctive thought and or logical conclusion. Whereass the belief in a god just like the belief the origins of Life came into instinctive without God hasn't been proven to be an instinctive thought or logical conclusion.
I find it interesting that the atheist humanist will always argue everything is cultural but of course with the exceptions of homosexuality and transgenderism.. transgenderism definitely has evidence of being cultural.
The deep sea sponge of the Arctic has no brain has no tissue has no organs has no nervous system but yet the deep sea sponge of the Arctic is a predator which means it's conscience. Where does this consciousness come from?
@@WhoAteJoeysUncle
It's okay, I get it.
You are a brain-less piece of toast.
Of course, gender is cultural! That is what we are saying the WHOLE time!
How can one person, YOU, be this brainrotten?😂
You are arguing against positions, we don't even have🤣
Holy cow!😂
^
Being good for rewards and to avoid punishment is the most rudimentary kind of behavior, often seen in young children. The Christin world view is an extreme example. Like you, I’d argue that this isn’t morality, it’s basically selfishness.
Nah. Laws of physics aren’t considered subjective, because the universe is beholden to them, not because its Creator is.
We also know that laws of logic exist (you can’t do science without them) but they aren’t empirically testable in the way laws of physics are.
Christians simply believe that there are also immutable laws of morality given to us, which isn’t that much of a leap considering there are underlying laws of physics and logic. Atheists just keep making category errors assuming that God must be bound by yhe same rules we are (for example, whining about how God “kills people” as if life isn’t temporary by nature, meaning God “kills” everyone, even if it’s from old age.)
Objective morality is how Christians can say, definitively, that murdering children is wrong, when for atheists that’s just an opinion. It’s also the reason why there can be hope for, say, a kid dying of cancer, whereas the best comfort an atheist can give is “Too bad, some of us get to live a long life and some don’t. But remember, you’re made of stardust.”
I'm in total shock. He seemed to be trying to understand the arguments and come to grips with some of the more subtle aspects of morality, and then at 45:15 he just comes out with one of the most evil utterances I've ever heard. His view of Christian morality must be totally corrupted.
Not just the Christian. All religions are fup
I guess he proved his point that his moral compas is evil and twisted and corrupted, when he finshed off with abused children probably have it comin'. That is truly dementedly screwed up.
I am better than god and I think everyone would agree: If I was god there would be no suffering, everyone would be living in a paradise, everyone would be immortal and no one would need to worship me. The fact I can say that and mean it offers proof I am better than anyone who could do the same and doesn't. Anyone care to argue?
I prefer the prospect of a moral mortality (giving me the right to end my life under the consent of my social environment) to a boring immortality (in which I can't stop living).
No argument from me, I believe I’m better than g0d, I have never unlived anything in my life, 20+ yrs in the military and 67 yrs old! Just saying ✌️
today, shane works for the kari lake campaign in Arizona ...
I heard the female host of this show now works as Rachel Levine's assistant and pushed to get him named atheist humanist female of the year.
@@WhoAteJoeysUncleregressives when the conversation is not about trans people: "trans people amirite? please laugh"
Is that real? Or is it a joke I'm too European to understand?
@@WhoAteJoeysUncle Can you transphobes stop making everything about trans people FOR 1 NANOSECOND-
Like fucking hell, they say trans people are the ones making everything about gender and stuff, and yet trans people are just trying to live their lives in peace while the transphobes stalk them, make literally EVERYTHING about trans people, invade their privacy, are obsessed with what's in people's pants, and even break laws to be hateful to them cuz they fear that which they don't know and don't TRY to learn about it. If our ancestors were brave enough to learn more about fire, you can be brave enough to research about the different parts of the LGBTQIA+. C'mon, it ain't gonna bite you.
@eagonewild It could be worse. Imagine if they based their whole life and personality on hating something they say they don’t believe in, and even made whole CZcams channels just to rage against it…oh wait
Fuck I was not ready for that ending 😂
note from a mathematician: Shane's claim somewhere around 19:00 was that "the fact that you are moral implies there is god". Implication is a mathematical construct, and we know objectively that an implication is equivalent to its contrapositive. And what is that? Negate both sides and invert the direction of the implication. If A implies B, then NotB implies NotA. If the existence of morality implies god, then the absence of god implies the absence of morality. These are objectively the same statement logically speaking. I don't think Shane realized that, but it's true regardless: he's making the same claim as every other christian caller on morality.
“Screw one sheep”. 😂
One of my favourite jokes.
The level of mental gymnastics theists have to do to stick free will into the infallable divine plan is so crazy...
Yeah, and when confronted with their errors, they'll just ignore it. Wanna bet he used the exact same arguments in his next discussion?
I really really hope he doesn't have a family, or neighbours..... That guy is insane
just wow. that ending. :(
My thought exactly.
We inject a mighty being for our lack of understanding, well some of us at least.
Even death may be preferable to life if life means unbelievable unnecessary suffering with no positive outcome. So all these things are contextual.
If "life means suffering", wouldn't that make that suffering _necessary_ for life?
@@Apollorion I believe they were referring to specific examples - say a long arduous terminal illness, incarceration, or other such scenario where there is only suffering then guaranteed death. In those cases life would equate to suffering.
I don't flood the earth and drown nearly every living thing because my Divine Plan went haywire.
… mostly, because being all-knowing and all-powerful you would have guided your Divine Plan to keep on track, instead of setting it up to fail, knowing it must fail …
Never mind that, being a bright fellow, you would have found a million better ways to start over without murdering everyone and watching them all drown (omnipresence is extremely useful to not miss anything) even if you just learned about what had happened.
I still think the Abrahamic God enjoys human suffering way too much, which is why he’s not going to stop a child being r’ed - despite being all-powerful, he watches with a massive boner and then uses the incident to torture the offenders (including the child, of course) into hell. I am not even sure that that God has a heaven or that it is any different from hell. Why not have all humans be actors in the reality TV show “Torture Tournament”, where those who do not torture others enough get tortured for ‘correction’.
How many children has Shane graped since this phone call?
If humans are social animals, have we not determined rules by which to live that make living in large groups easier? Do we not call those rules…morals?? I think it’s natural to our human evolution. 😊😊😊🍸😊
That’s why humans are so successful. We are like huge ants. Without our brain we wouldn’t be close to as successful as we are.
Waiting for Jim Castleberry and his alts🤣🙏🏼🙏🏼
Well, today is friday so he will likely start soon.
Just don’t say their name three times!
😂😂😂😂😂😂😂 clown@@JimCastleberry
He's posted his usual crap
@@joshsheridan9511
At least they’re consistent, although we all know what they say about a foolish consistency…
The mind virus is strong with this one.
For a social animal, "moral" behaviour is reinforced by feedback from other members of their social group. The dog learns to not sit on the sofa because it maximises the positive feedback, and reduces the negative feedback from the people they see as their pack members.
Well done, Shane, you made the hall of fame of Embarassingly Simple-Minded and Frequently Whiny Theistic Callers.
Doesn't our innate sense of survival as a species cause us to have morals?
Morality is just a loose, general system or code of behavior imparted upon the subject by many many things including the evolution of compassion and empathy, and the people, parents, teachers, experiences, and media that you have been subjected to. Must like almost everything else in life, it's not some simple black and white answer, it's messy
This call got Atheist Experience in the Austin newspaper. Absolute fire. Two of some of the greatest hosts no longer with ACA because well... ACA has some work to do.
This original sin song-and-dance is repugnant.
I've never committed original sin but I do a mean cover version.
Poor guy. Found himself defending the indefensible and failing to admit it.
I really feel like a lot of the theists that call into the Line would do well to watch every season of The Good Place, and take notes 😂
Some of them would take notes to apply later, unfortunately lol . . . smh.
She's ahead of her time talking about people drinking bleach (Post-covid)
what are you dumb? People have drunk bleach way before covid.
That’s the thing with honest theist callers: even the best of them can put up an appearance of rationality and intellectual honesty-and it doesn’t even have to be a deliberate deception, they could genuinely be trying to be an honest interlocutor-but at a certain point they will resort to saying something completely petulant and ugly that exposes the true rot of their ideology when followed through honestly. It’s fundamental impossible not to when said ideology has tenets such as “even if I have doubts, ignoring them and following a god’s commands is objective morality because my moral compass cannot be trusted at all” and “I have used my flawed moral compass to determine that god is a moral figure worth following”.
The only comebacks to objections on those two tenets are ugly and petulant comebacks, because there is no fundamental way around the gaping abscess of a logical contradiction and doublethink involved in those premises.
My moral compass is not flawed just because my mind is not perfect, and I don't have complete understanding of every issue that exists. By your definition, you should never say another word.
@@wprandall2452 Not sure what your intended recipient is. Did you mean your comment for me or for the theists I’m talking about?
Is this a new feature? I mean the way I see old videos coming with a new thumbnail. Anyhow, I like to see those old ownage-videos :)
So, as far as morality goes, the very fact that it is constantly disputed, with people arguing over the best policy based on different values and priorities even when all the facts of the case are pretty much agreed upon- this tells me if there is any 'objectively true' morality, whatever that means, humans don't have any clear means of knowing what it is.
I would argue, this is a very good thing, because new knowledge or technology can shift those.
Is it moral to amputate an arm that is so infectios, it would kill the patient?
I say yes.
Is it still moral to amputate the same arm, if there is an antibiotic, that is readily avalible, and would cure the infection?
I say no, not any longer is it moral.
10 commandments. It’s called the moral law. We broke it and Jesus paid the fine. That’s what the Bible teaches. Why don’t you take the time to look at them and examine yourself thru the lens of those commands?
Exodus 20
@@kalebetheridge5905 Exodus 21
@kalebetheridge5905 , you talk as though I've never read the Bible before. I've read rather too much of it to think that it's a reliable indicator of what is moral.
That doesn't even address *the* most ironic part here tbh. (Not to mention them flipping on a dime from "kids are innocent" to "kids deserve it".)
It's that: Not only does god *watch* it happen. He *rewards* it afterwards.
Because, in the bible: That is a *completely moral* thing to do. (As long as you own the kid)
They *always* list things as a gatcha, when their god not only condones that action, but endorses it.
Thanks!
He just tried to paint a target around the arrow.... And incl. Stuff like atheism is just showing his bias, and dishonesty,as atheism is Only a position on a claim, nothing else.
Imho morality comes from the evolutionary process, where social/group animals are stronger when united. When a single person doesn't behave, the group suffers, thus less chance for survival etc.
This caller really didn't approach this objectively, at all.
The end 😬
@36:00 dude straight up short circuits 😄
omg, aren't such people scary? I mean, really, really scary and potentially dangerous =(
🔎 Your Bite-Sized Digest
The discussion delves into the morality of following divine commands unquestioningly, the implications of Divine command theory, the nature of secular morality, and the role of personal moral judgment in religious beliefs.
🔑 Key Points
0:00: The caller, Shane, expresses dissatisfaction with the atheist content on morality and debates presented by the host, seeking a discussion on secular morality and theistic views.
8:24: Shane presents five premises, asserting that man is inherently moral, morality is derived from external sources, atheism does not promote a moral code, and evolution promotes relative morality.
19:02: The conversation navigates through Shane's perspective on the necessity of God for objective morality, discussions on the objectivity of morality, and the contrast between secular and theistic moral frameworks.
31:30: The conversation intensifies as the host challenges Shane's viewpoint, highlighting contradictions in trusting one's moral judgment while also believing in a moral deity.
42:10: The discussion escalates as both parties engage in a heated exchange, critiquing each other's beliefs, interpretations of morality, and the validity of personal moral compasses.
44:49: The conversation ultimately concludes with Shane expressing his beliefs in a different form of Christianity and asserting his understanding of morality in contrast to the host's views.
45:12 i just had a fully body reaction to that . . . how does that thought even enter someones mind
Shane ~ I'm using my morality to say that the god that I believe in is moral, however I believe that my morality and that of all humanity is trash and should not be trusted.
Exactly! If humans, independent of God have no basis for morality, then we have no basis to conclude God and his morality are good. Either there are good reason for what we deem right/wrong or there aren't. If there are reasons, then those reasons are why something is right/wrong. If there are no reasons, then why is something right or wrong?
26:08 I’ve had profound experiences of emotional healing under the influence of certain … things. *Things* are not inherently moral or immoral. Not speech or seggs or radios or guns or music.
"I believe in talking donkeys and snakes but not in magic"
At the end the caller confuses the ability to sort out moral issues with whether someone has done bad things. Those are different. To say I've done bad things means i DO have moral judgement that I trust or I wouldn't be thinking I had done bad things. It is the very idea that we sometimes do things we deem bad that proves we have moral judgement and that we trust it.
'Shame' is the best argumrnt for atheism! 👍🏽😅
The only thing shameful is the reality you make to feel better instead of accepting why we exist and what happens after. Instead of lying, help figure out what tf is going on.
Freedom comes with responsibility. Religious people will never understand that.
A Question: Who invented God? Did God invent us? Did God create us? What is God? God is: omnipotent, omniscient, eternal, merciful, just, and all-good. Right? That's your concept of God. And if you say that he has created us, then we are part of his image. We are part of him. That is, we are omniscient, generous, and loving. Right? And eternal. Are we? Or do we think we are? Do you understand my question? If God created you, he must be an extraordinary entity because he wants you to lead a terrible life. Do you understand my question? If God made you, why are you like this? You must be extraordinary human beings, mustn't you? Beautiful, full of joy, excitement, full of delight, but you are not. So either you have created God, or God has created you. But if you examine very closely, you have created God. Cheers.
I rember watching this before. That shit at the end is horrendous
Wow… all that pointless banter just for him to eventually spill the beans that he supports the violation of children.
What a sick minded individual.
I am not sure there is an innate sense of fairness. It is conditioned, even in animals. Take any child/offspring of any mammal, for example. In animals that have "litters" each pup/kitten/etc. fights for position and will push others out of the way to get fed. The "fairness" is dictated by the mother/parent/elder members. Human children and other apes go through phases very early of "everything is mine." Young toddlers will take another's toys straight from their hands. C0rrective behaviors by others inculcate a sense of fairness into most offspring... sadly, not all.
Nope, the fact that the pups only push each other instead of killing each other just to have a position indicates they have a sense of limits and fairness. While is true that is external data what shapes that brute sense of fairness, there cannot be conditioning when there is nothing to condition.
For example, human children go througt that "everyting is mine" until someone else (usually other child) uses that "everything is mine" and then learn there are limits to "everything is mine".
There is no need to expect and advanced sense of fairness and limits from children and puppies.
@@Julian0101 I disagree. They do not "kill" each other as they just need enough force to push out of the way. "Fairness" is "you get yours, I get mine." Even in pups and others, it is "I get mine and whether you get yours is of no consequence." Just because they do not kill is not a sense of "fairness." It is more an inability at that stage to kill, as well as it is not necessary to kill, merely move out of the way. Which could be argued as a different morality standard, as well.
@@ModelTrainOutsider Correct, the fact they do not kill each other means they have a "i get mine, but there are limits to what i can do to get it".
And that doesnt last long until puppies find that others puppies that do the same to them, and so their model change to "i get mine, and you get yours so lets not harm each other". You can see that virtually all social species.
Also, puppies and children are really delicated at that stage, so anything can kill them, including each other (unless you are talking newly born, but no one expects newly born to have a concept of self to understand fairness), so they limiting to moving each other out of the way is a clear indication that they understand there is a limit.
(Horrible) experiments have been made with animals. 2 rats gets treats they really like., When one rat gets a big treat and eats it, the other rat gets a short hit of electricity. Once the reats figured this out, the one getting the bigger treat stopped eating it.. saving the other rat from the electrical current. There was negative gain for the rat that stopped eating treats, no treat. Ther e was only positive gain for the other rat that wasnt electrocuted.
monkeys were given grapes, at first they got the same size and an amount, then one got big ones, and the other got small ones.. the one who got big gtapes shared with the other monkey ( and they were upset with the handler).
Animals get fairness, its innate. Newborn pups fighting for food to survive is not a fair situation. Adult dogs have often been observed sharing with packmembers.. not because they were told to or taught to, but they wanted to.
Hyena pups DO kill eachother.
@@Julian0101 I think, at the stage, they do not understand limits. While many things for survival are innate (chicks running from casted bird silhouettes immediately from the egg), the concept of restraint, I do not believe is there. A pup, as our discussion centers on, is either strong enough to push someone else out of the way or is not and waits or is denied altogether. It is not that they know there is a limit, it is they do as much as it takes as they can. Yet, even in your example, it is still not a sense of "fairness," but, as mentioned, a mode of not needing to kill, merely bully enough. The stronger pup, or lion cub is not concerned with being fair, but merely making sure THEY get THEIRS and the others who can be bullied are of no consequence, even if it means the runt dies. Even feeding mothers will not necessarily look out for the runt... much as a lioness will not overtly object to the new male lion, who has just taken over the pride, killing off the youngest cubs, which prompts the females to go into heat. Survival of the fittest/strongest is, inherently, not "fair."
Why or how would God be moral if it's all that's actually exists? Who would it have to develop morals for?
It's just an argument pulled out of the anus fallacy.
There are lots of restrictions on Free Speech, liable just one of many. The only completely unrestricted Freedom is the Freedom of Thought. You can think whatever you want.
*libel
@@GroundhogRoy Thank you.
I could argue that humans have been partaking of drugs and music pretty much since forever the species has been a thing.
We know that Neanderthals had flutes. Sex and drugs and rock and roll are not necessarily just about asocial hedonism.
If hedonism causes no harm to a third party, is that hedonism immoral?
I dunno how he has the patience for this fools.
So he basically just argued for being a religious fundamentalist for 45 mins…
sheesh... I'm sure there didn't used to be so many adds on this channel
I didn't get any and I'm not using an Adblock. Not sure if it depends what country you're in.
The god as depicted in the bible never condoned freedom of thought, religion and/or speech.
Does the difference between right and wrong come naturally to a psychopath?
It’s just so sad what religion has done to Shane
I hope that caller is on an fbi watch list 😳
"Morality" is pro-social behavior. Most of it is taught by other members of the social group one is born into and raised around. Many people throughout human history, many societies, have come to generally similar conclusions about what is and what is not pro-social behavior. I am skeptical even of the notion of "fairness" among primates. It is not an abstract virtue that drives our behavior, or that of the howler monkey, but an understanding of the need for the other in cooperative survival. What keeps that one alive keeps me alive, and vice versa. That's not "equity," that's a survival instinct in a social animal. Equity is codified, it's formalized, it means different things in different systems. A monkey has no more understanding of social justice than a Republican does, there's no reason to attribute high-minded abstract concepts where they can be explained otherwise.
Really
I suspect that morality is not innate. What is innate though is "pecking order", how we express submissive and dominant traits.
I think the closest we come to innate morality is how we respond to the new-born babies, infants, and young children. This of course is innate because if it wasn't the humanrace would n't exist.
I think the underlying intuitions that drive our moral feelings are innate. Each person is born with a sense of how they want to be treated and a sense of indignation when someone else is treated unjustly by others. This results in a social group developing standards by which we all want to be treated and our sense of justice for others motivates us to support the collective morality. It IS NOT necessarily that each person...without any outside pressure would behave himself, but society works together using peer pressure and laws to coax people into behaving themselves.
There is also an innate sense to take care of the weaker (children). We can see many other animal species that intuitively care for their young and even act altruistically and work collectively to help each other. Hhumans aren't alone or unique with our innate sense that drives our morality. Any animal species the survives by depending on successful interactions with other individuals of the species has to have intuitions that determine/drive how each individual behaves. Pretty much every animals species has their own version of morality even if it's only to guide them during mating. But often it is more complex than that.
@@rizdekd3912 What you presented as your own thoughts sounded to me like something AI would cobble together.
@@MrStringybark I'll take that as a complement
@@rizdekd3912@ rizdekd3912 It may not be a compliment if the AI responses I get are any indication. More like Windbaggery.
He thinks evolution is a advertising campaign. Hilarious.
This caller just wants to generalize everything to make his POV somehow relevant and then what? Aint gonna happen!
Oh christ - (facepalm-SLAP)
You have to face-palm harder to snap out of the jesus/god delusion
Oh, is this that whiny Mark???
its just such an good conversation on morality
Let's take a topic and put a god label on it! Good job! And your point is? Nothing? Correct. Waste of time and reason.
Jesus saves sinners and fools like you! God bless you! Use the brain God gave you
Was Shane an incel I wonder 🤔
Rules for slavery instead of forbidding it, god ordering his creation to genocide others, god killing countless of innocent children as well as innocent animals, god ordering horses to be killed in a slow and cruel way...yes, very loving and moral god indeed.
Why is there this fascination with morality? Personally, the answer appears to be that religious people are taught that God is a law giver. To me, morality is a silly thing to be philosophizing about if this myth didn't exist.
Maybe you should look up what morality is.
Because it is kind of very important. For everyone.
Just saying...
@@vertigo4236he's saying that morality is implicit and innate, not coming from an inaudible law giver.
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And I would disagree, that it is just that.
Morality, at least for me, doesn't just manifest, it is formed though a process of exchange with other moral actors.
I simple can't form a solid moral foundation, without that.
We are the law giver, the whole community is.
We are all part of the proccess.
@vertigo4236 You've got me wrong: I know how important it is. I simply disagree with the notion that our values regarding how we should behave are somehow eternal. IMHO: Morality is a construct. It's a very valuable quality, but not eternal, therefore, it's not a worthy theological topic.
That's my point of view. I'm sorry I was so unclear as to entice you to speak up.
The reason we need to keep arguing about the source of morality is that we need a way to explain to objective moralists that some of their immoral things are moral, some of their morals are immoral, and some of both are amoral. Unless we show them morality isn’t objective, we don’t have a way to do that.
What a waste of time and brain power.
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I'm not religious, but I see a flaw in saying, "I am better than your god." If your position is that there are no gods, you should never say this, because it implicitly acknowledges the existence of at least one.
I'm agnostic. I don't believe atheists can prove that god doesn't exist, and I don't believe that religionists can prove that god DOES exist. You all shout at each other about stuff you can't prove, and in the end, it doesn't matter. If god exists, that will be true whether you believe or not. If god doesn't exist, that will be true whether you believe or not. So go ahead and live your best life, treat others as you would be treated, and quit shouting about something that you can't know the answer to until after you've met your maker. Or not.
Can you prove all the other God claims don't exist like (Thor, Zeus and Odin) or are you agnostic about all of them?
It doesn't implicitly acknowledge the god's existence; it merely acknowledges the theists claim.
Does saying "I'm a better person than Aslan" acknowledge the existence of Narnia? Because I could write a whole essay about how I'm a better person than Aslan without believing in Narnia
@@Artman1 You misunderstand the nature of agnosticism. There is no checklist of which religions an agnostic will believe in or not believe in, because we believe all religions lack one vital proof to be believed, and the thing they all lack is proof of the existence of God. We don't believe that there is NO God. We don't believe that there IS a God. We are officially uncertain about it all because the existence of God has so far never been proven, and you also can't prove something doesn't exist (because all you can prove is you haven't found it yet.)
Lets cut the shit caller-if you had proof of a god you wouldn't need to dance around with elaborate scenarios to try and make it something to seriously consider!
No doubt about it. The Apostle John was right about atheists.
Which verse?
no doubt about it, nobody gives a fk. Second, you fake ass god can suck it
@@tekbarrier 1 John 2:22 Who is a liar but he who denieth that Jesus is the Christ? He is antichrist who denieth the Father and the Son.
@@rbwinn3obviously someone would write that Verse because ME personally I would predict that people would see through my bullshit.
@@Spooky90097 What you do is chosen by you. You choose to deny Christ.
Why do my posts keep disappearing?
Try "Newest" tab.
Is it cause you are deleting them? Also, I noticed you made a new account. Are you going to be another god believer spending his time trolling here using multiple accounts?
@@sideboob6851 Isn't he already?
I have to say though, the only one here with an ungodly amount of alt accounts is neppy, the rest usually stick to 1 or 2 account to troll.
Maybe because people are reporting you for spam.
6undred6ixty6sixth like lol
Snake = Shining One. Striking at = watching over, protecting, guarding. The Father you spring from is the Devil. Adam, the Christ, is a third-party mediator to this world and these heavens, between you and your Father. Your God goes about in a tent of cloth. Adam was clothed from the nakedness of of wielding the fiery sword on the day of vengeance as judgment. The Father judges no one. No one comes to the Father except through me. I am with you always, until the end of the ages, the time of the harvest, when the sacrifice is made.
The horse of many colors or, perspectives. White - Conquring. Red - destroying the peace. Black - scales of judgment. Pale Green - Christ coming up from the Abyss with all of Hades at his heel - that's a lot of muscle at his heel.
Adam had a whole university of trees to learn from. Further, Adam was not deceived (1Ti 2:14 NAB) People can't see the forest for the Trees - of Life and Good and Evil.
Adam is the brains of the operation and Yahweh, your Father, is the muscle. Yahweh watching the heel of Adam.
Esau is the brains and Jacob could wrestle an angel until the break of day. Jacob 'striking' at the heel of Esau
Jesus is the brains and Peter could surgically remove your ear. Jesus washes the feet of the Ancient One of Days seated upon a throne on the Mount of Assembly. His people will be a kingdom of priests, the Assembly on the Mount.
When Christ comes as the Lawless One, he is the muscle fulfilling the plan of the ages of the Father. Christ is the word of the will of the Father and the lamp of the light of the Father.
Lawless One (Sacrifice) - Transfiguration - Christ (Resurrection)
his face shone like the sun, and his clothes became dazzling white (Mat 17:2 NRS)
And then the lawless one will be revealed (Transfigured) with the brightness of His coming. (2Th 2:8 NKJ)
Now is the time of judgment on this world; now the ruler of this world will be driven out. (Joh 12:31 NABO) In an intergalactic cruiser to; Inherit the kingdom prepared for you from the foundation of the world. (Mat 25:34 NABO)
the one who ascended far above all the heavens (Eph 4:10 NABO) (in a galaxy far, far, away)
never to return to corruption (Act 13:34 NABO) (Wait, what?)
Isaac blessed Esau saying: Ah, far from the fertile earth shall be your dwelling; far from the dew of the heavens above! (Gen 27:39 NABO) (In a galaxy far, far, away, so to speak.)
Praise jebus! 😅
May Harry Potter bless your imaginary soul!
Quotes from the Bible are nothing more than unproven claims.
@@Gwaithmir You are very observant. The same can be said for Little Green Angels. I've never studied any religions. Just the Bible.
The Earth is just an old meat market for Dino burgers that is being used by someone from a society that is advanced far beyond anything in this galaxy. These locals who are crashing their Flintstone Flyers on the earth are in for a rude awakening. (Sci-Fi/Reality Version)
We are talking about Earth, in the solar system of Sol, on the outskirts of the Milky Way galaxy, in a universe of an innumerable multitude of galaxies. Yahweh is the cream of the local crop of Gods who, for a moment, walked on water.
The world is under some sort of mind control. They know the Father they spring from is the Devil (Joh 8:44 NABO). They know Satan (Shining One) is the God of this world (2Co 4:4 NAB) They know the ruler of this world has been condemned (Joh 16:11 NABO). They see it, yet, they cannot perceive it; they hear it, yet, the cannot understand it.
Listen carefully, but you shall not understand! Look intently, but you shall know nothing! (Isa 6:9 NABO)
Now is the time of judgment on this world; now the ruler of this world will be driven out. (Joh 12:31 NABO) In an intergalactic cruiser to; Inherit the kingdom prepared for you from the foundation of the world. (Mat 25:34 NABO)
@@donnyh3497 Thank you. The horse of many colors was new to me, today. I used the Pale horse and figured I had to reconcile its use. The 'Shining One' and 'watching over, protecting, or guarding' are legitimate translations. Go figure!
I've decided to put an end to all mortals on earth. The birds of the air and all the great beasts will have a great feast. The oceans will be drained and the waters placed above the dome of the sky. No longer will there be hurricanes or tornados. No longer will the sun beat down and scortch you. The waters will refract the rays of light and there will no longer be night. We will all speak the same language.
By all rights, you should all be nothing more than pillars of salt, like Lot's wife, for looking back.
@@quetzelmichaels1637 And how do we know some other annunak... cough, cough - sorry, ruler, will not just move right, back in?
How did the first one get set up, meantime.
What is Yahweh that the Son of Man is mindful of him? It is for what is under that corruption, anger, fury, wrath... that the Son of Man is mindful of Yahweh. Yahweh became Satan. Before Satan, Yahweh existed. Through him, you are the benefactors of his plan of salvation. What you would not accept through Yahweh, Jesus demonstrates in laying down his life in corruption and taking it up again.
Yahweh is the light of the world. The snake is the Shining One. David is the Morning Star. Jacob was born 'striking' at the heel of Esau. Jesus addresses Peter as Satan. There was no actual crucifixion of the Christ. Yahweh's corruption appears to be no different than the two appearances, within the same generation, of the sacrifice and the resurrection. David became a slave to corruption. Christ never returns to corruption.
Of course Yahweh was married. He hates divorce. David, your king, rides the donkey and the Bride of David rides the colt of the donkey. Jesus is not your king. He is a third-party to this world and these heavens. He comes as the Lawless One (Sacrifice) and is Transfigured into the Christ (Resurrection) by the brightness of his coming, his clothing becoming as white as light.
In the beginning, the world was covered in darkness, the people were empty and void of understanding, having become corrupted, and he shielded you as the apple of his eye. All are sinners cast down to earth with the God of this world. The ruler of this world has been condemned. Now is the time of judgment on this world; now will the ruler of this world be driven out to inherit the kingdom prepared for you from the foundation of the world.
Yahweh has been going about in a tent under cloth. Christ is with you always, until the end of the ages. They have been in your midst walking among you since the beginning. Yahweh is the cream of the crop of the local 'Gods' who, for a moment, walked on water. Christ ascends beyond the heavens. David/ Peter/ Jacob etcetera is the cornerstone of Christ's work of salvation. To 'strike' at the heel or the head is to watch over, protect, or guard.
I heard Yahweh is the God of metallurgy. Earth is his Everlasting Lake of Fire, his furnace of roaring flames where, in his furious wrath, he will gather you up, put you in, and smelt you. If your name is not in the book of life, he will refine you, remove your dross, and purify you until the Devil, the False Prophet, and the Beast are cleansed from you.
The Son of David destroys all power, rule, and authority. In him, you have someone who can relate to you through his sacrifice. In David, the Cornerstone of Adam’s (the Christ) work of salvation, you have someone you can relate to through his salvation. Further, Adam was not deceived.
In his name this man stands before you healed. He is 'the stone rejected by you, the builders, which has become the cornerstone.' (Act 4:10-11 NABO)
God is Spirit.
The Father is greater than I. (Joh 14:28 NABO)
Blessed is the kingdom of our Father David that is to come! (Mar 11:10 NABO)
No one comes to the Father except through me. (Joh 14:6 NABO)
Nor does the Father judge anyone (Joh 5:22 NABO)
For this is the will of my Father, that everyone who sees the Son and believes in him may have eternal life, and I shall raise him (on) the last day. (Joh 6:40 NABO)
Jesus, the Son of David, is the word of the will of the Father, the lamp of the light of the Father, and the image of the substance of the Father.
You would have contributed more to society if you stayed in your room and masturbated instead of vomiting up this verbal diarrhea.
God does not lie. Atheists do not tell the truth.
God hasn't been shown to exist and theists are making claims that it does. Atheists don't accept that. If anyone is taking a dishonest position, it's theists who are making claims about unknowable things as if they actually know anything. Hence why faith is necessary for believing in something that cannot be demonstrated to be true.
Did god tell you?😂
@@Spooky90097 The voice of God is unto all men. 1 John 2:22 Who is a liar but he who denieth that Jesus is the Christ? He is antichrist who denieth the Father and the Son.
@@rbwinn3 how do you know that’s god?
@@rbwinn3 also how do you know I’m lying?
God is the source of light and truth. Where is the atheist who is the source of light and truth?
"God is the source of light and truth"
Shine that light and show us your evidence that proves your deity exists...
Electricity! And of course fire before that!
But to be fair, the answer to both is the scientific method.
So science gave us, like EVERYTHING.
And god... let me check...
Gave us...
Nothing.
That is disapointing for your side!
First of all, learn to speak English. Second, the sources of light include the sun and lightbulbs, and the sources of truth include Merriam-Webster and Oxford.
@@vertigo4236 Not true, god gave us the crusades and the Nazis.
"God is the source of light and truth" is merely your assertion.
Demonstrate that your assertion is true, and then we can proceed.
Until then, you have said nothing.
By what standard?
You don’t believe there can be a standard.
Therefore any morality you profess as an atheist is a matter of personal opinion, by your own admission.
It’s very nice that you have opinions (and most of your good moral opinions come from Christian culture and ideas anyway,) but you still don’t believe in morality.
Thanks for the cringe video, that’ll be all.
Correction, we don't believe in "objective morality". And actually, neither do you 😅. If your imaginary god thing actually existed, then it would be a "subject". The real difference is that we know that we have a functioning brain that can have it's own version of morality, and you think that your brain does nothing more than follow your imaginary friend's wishes. How pitiful 🙄
What would we need a "standard" for? That's like saying we'd need some "standard" to tell if a person was tall or short - we don't, we can easily compare two people's heights and determine which is taller than the other. In the same way we can decide which actions are better or worse than each other. No absolute "standard" is required. And if we did need one then pretty much any action is going to be better than drowning babies as your God does, so God doesn't seem like much of an example to me..
And you seem blissfully unaware that humans had morality long before Christianity and even after Christianity there were societies with morality all over the planet that never even heard of Christianity, so who needs Christianity?
Morality is subjective and relative. Doesn't matter where you get it from.
And I can tell you now, none of my good moral positions come from Christian culture or ideas. Literally none.
"You don't believe there can be a standard."
Wrong! That's not the problem. The problem is that there isn't only one. So people have arguments over moral issues even within religious denomination! Your simplistic view is at odds with observed reality
As for whether my morals come from Christianity, if you mean the liberal version of Christianity I grew up with that adopted many Englightenment ideas, sure. Christianity has not just influenced, but been influenced, and there is no one, fixed for all time Christian morality.
I'm going to jump into the lion's den here. Take this warning how you'd like. You can roll your eyes and mock if you'd like. You can be indifferent about it. You can maybe get interested and want to learn more. Anyways, to bluntly put it, Jesus Christ is returning extremely soon. Within just a few years. His first arrival had a timeline that the Pharisees should've seen, especially in the book of Daniel. His second arrival also has a timeline. In fact, the entire existence of the current world has a timeline in the Bible. It's scattered... but it's there. So, if His second return is only a few years away, then the rapture is even sooner. This world is already preparing for it. This world will lie about what will happen to millions of people (believers & children) on the rapture day. The technology of AI will help tremendously with this great deception. Do NOT believe the lie. When it happens, remember this post and know that the rapture happened, Jesus Christ pulled His people out of this world, and soon after the tribulation will start. It's not too late to escape that time. I can explain more, but this is all most will read in a single post.
Is this 'soon', sooner than the last 2000years that have also been called 'soon'. Otherwise thanks for the failed promise, i will put it along the other failed prophesies from other cults.
First, use paragraphs.
Second.
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Another rapture? I have lived through so many of them...
People have been saying this since the beginning. Ever heard of the boy who cried wolf? Just the other day was supposed to be the Rapture... yet again. So yeah, I'm skeptical.
Cool story bro...
Could you repeat that please
Repent. Believe in Jesus for salvation and be born again, becoming a new person in this life. Luke 24:47, 1 Corinthians 15:1-4, 2 Corinthians 5:17 KJV.........
I'm fine with the person I currently am, thanks anyway.
Repent? Why?
Nah, there is no reason to risk anything for yu magical fairy.
Only the King James Version. None else will do!
Prove I need to be saved from anything WITHOUT quoting the Bible because I don’t accept the Bible as authoritative.
Caller was complete trash.
Ladies and gentleman: Mental gymnastics gold medal champion of 2013