Panasonic Lumix GH6 Review: M43 is ALIVE!!
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Tony & Chelsea Northrup review the AMAZING Panasonic Lumix GH6. 25 megapixels (the highest ever for a Micro Four-Thirds camera) with 100 megapixel handheld high-res mode that ACTUALLY WORKS and BLOWS AWAY full-frame cameras! Video at 4k/120 or 5.7K/60p… and it’s beautiful.
But there’s a fatal flaw. The Panasonic Lumix GH6 uses the contrast-based Depth-from-Defocus (DFD) system… it often works flawlessly, in fact, for still interview subjects it outperformed Canon! With moving subjects, however, it either couldn’t keep up or it pulsed annoyingly.
The GH6 has the most amazing stabilization system we’ve ever used. You can handhold shots and they look like you’re on a tripod. Seriously.
So, will we switch to filming with the Panasonic GH6! I’m going to try it. I haven’t been able to use the camera for actual production because the footage was embargoed, but I will use it for our CZcams videos to give it a more long-term review. It’s that good!
To the auto focus:
I also have the GH5. I am totally amazed by the video quality. With her, however, I completely dispensed with the autofocus when filming after a few attempts.
With the GH6 I get results similar to those in your review (10:40) when I switch to single-field focus with face or human recognition. But when I set the full-area focus with human detection, the autofocus is excellent. Overall, I only use face detection mode on portraits. If there is more of the person in the picture, or the person turns to the side, the face recognition mode doesn't suit me. Since I have good results with the human detection mode (Human). The face is also recognized. Your example shows me that reviewers either don't have enough time to delve deeply into a camera.
Pumping in the autofocus is repeatedly complained about with the Panasonics, which is caused by the contrast autofocus. This pumping is quite noticeable for me with the GH5 when the filmed person is not moving much. Then it's more noticeable because you can concentrate more on the background, which should actually be constantly out of focus with larger aperture openings. When I set the AF speed to -2 and the AF sensitivity to -3 in the Custom AF settings (Vid) menu on the GH6, I have had very consistently good results in conjunction with human detection in full-area focus.
I hope I could be of some help.
Many greetings
Andreas
03:50 Best moment...
Tony: Babbling geeky about some camera stuff
Chelsea: You need to lower your seat!
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Been waiting for this release for a while now... looks like we'll be upgrading the GH5 to the GH6, especially since we shoot in full manual. That stabilization is still king!
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I thought M43 was supposed to die. Now I hear that it is alive. Quality content here.
The Leica 10-25 lens is unbelievable. I’ve put it on my G95 and I just can’t believe how good it is. Of course the lens is expensive but holy cow. The best lense I’ve ever seen for micro 4/3.
have you tried the 12mm f1.4?
Same here! I'm using it on the GH5. The extra wide angle compared to the 12-35 and better low light capability make it perfect for my usage which is filming rock climbing. Since it's a very slow paced sport even the GH5 autofocus works good enough for me on that lens
I wonder how many of your viewers really rely on autofocus? Be nice to have a poll.
For commercial projects, I usually lock focus on manual; all projects are interviews of some kind and all settings are dialed in for the shoot bc auto just messes up too often. GH5 was always solid in the past and expect the GH6 to be even better. Audio is massive and GH5/6 has some amazing audio options with XLR or we use external audio. I think most basic vloggers will get a Sony.
As with the GH5, there will be plenty of people who buy it and realize it has too many options and buttons and is too complicated bc it is for Pros, not semi pros, not casual filmmakers but pros doing real work and they always make cameras for those people. The Panasonic ppl at the launch event seemed to chuckly a little bit at the overwhelming comments about autofocus but I think that is blown way out of proportion by CZcamsrs vs real world get it done camera ppl in commercial space that always figure out ways around it or know every square inch of what their gear can do and plan for that.
Overall, I think your review focused (pardon the pun) way too much on autofocus and not nearly enough on all the other amazing features of the camera and who this is really designed for. Which are pro users who know how to use manual focus and how to film. Granted it is nice when things just work and I hope that Lumix fixes this moving forward but I don't see it as the kiss of death your video makes it out to be. - thx
I think it still falls within a price range where people, who still work alone, might be interested in it. Especially blogger, vlogger style of content creators. Autofocus is very important if you don't have a camera man to film. If you operate the camera and are in the shot, then autofocus is very important. For me this camera is probably just below what professionals would use, so the people mostly interested in video cams in that price range are slightly more serious content creators, but who are still a bit off of having pro equipment. You don't use autofocus all the time, but there are enough of situations where you want good autofocus. The real issue is that you cannot rely on it, and that is a huge negative even if you only very rarely need it. For me the bad autofocus would automatically be a hard reason to avoid the cam
I think it's very nuanced I've been a professional videographer for about 13/14 years generally running 1-5 sized teams, so it's either been me as a one-man band or a team when the clients budget or the situation requires it. When I started it was only manual, the autofocus was rubbish plus the sensors were so small it was difficult to get any shallow depth of field anyway, so you just locked it in manual and forgot. I tend to still do that with my b cam as due to the difference in angle the interviewee is likely to be constrained to the same focal plane so I can lock off the shot and still have a good shallow depth of field (plus as its a B-Cam I don't have to worry as much). The Sony's have shown you can leave a camera on autofocus and rely on it, I never go ultra-shallow as it's distracting (and more likely to mess up), hence why for most applications MFT is perfectly fine, but the autofocus isn't good enough with Panasonic (possibly is with the OM-1).
For me having reliable autofocus when doing the filming means I can sit opposite the interviewee, let the camera roll and make sure I'm getting the best out of the interviewee (as they can be nervous, especially as they've just talking to a stranger behind the camera, I also have my other senses to spot distractions and mistakes easier, of course, better to have another camera operator and sound operator to ensure it's going well, but sometimes the budget doesn't fit. That's why I have a Sony as well as my MFT cameras. Although I do have pro camcorders, they are not great for the one-man-band when you've also got all the lighting and sound equipment to bring with you, that's why a love the MFT system for more options for my style of work.
I guess it's because people who watch these sort of video are mostly in smaller productions than the "big boys" where ease of use is more important than ultimate image quality.
Wedding videographer, blogger, travel videographer that focuses on docu... Etc.
Agree 100% on the error of the autofocus weakness being a deal breaker in this review. Most reviewers blow this WAY out of proportion. All camera's have strengths and weaknesses. The cinematic quality and plethora of options all you to get significantly more accomplished for a lot less money. DSLR video shooter has a superb review of the GH6.
@@nothingtobeconcernedabout7477 I think you missed my point. I was stating that this is not a CZcams camera, dont get it for that. If you want a CZcams camera get something else. This is for semi-pros and filmmakers which are NOT youtubers.
The sharpness of the GH6 stills vs. Canon broke my jaw when it dropped to the floor 😉 (and the stabilization...WOW)
Right? I could not believe my eyes; so sharp and detailed. It's crazy seeing that from an MFT sensor. Coming from an a7R II and a 5DS R, I'm very impressed, and more because the GH series are oriented more towards video quality! My GH3 and GH4 always left me wanting more stills-wise.
I am so disappointed people have been screaming for years for Panasonic to improve their Autofocus. Imagine having this near perfect camera to realize the autofocus isn't any good.
Yeah, I don't get it. Of course, I don't use autofocus. The Arri Alexa doesn't either.
@@scottslotterbeck3796 what's that cost? Some people fly a gimbal solo. If you can do that and pull focus, why aren't you out saving kittens from trees?
Even smartphones have better autofocus loll. I still respect Panasonic for how generous they’re, they make great cameras with great features that no other cameras manufacturer is willing to give for the same price.
@@GunnyNinja $2200 for the GH6. I do rescue kittens, thank you.
@@scottslotterbeck3796 how much for the alexa? We know how much the GH6 is. We want to know what you felt the need to compare it to.
After Tony told us M43 Is dead - we got 2 game-changers cameras video and still cameras :-).
I would prefer if it didn't have 5.7k 60p and they worked on the autofocus. It's been too long, cannot understand why they're so stubborn and are sticking with DFD....
The color, quality and stabilizer of the GH6 is just brilliant
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Different markets. The panny is a video camera with photo support, while the canon is a photo with video support. Ibis codecs ets are far superior on panny and you can use compact lenses that are way cheaper. The pulsing af is way less noticeable than shaky footage or poor exposure. Sure it's fixable but now you need a gymbal and external monitor
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They had 1 job...fix the AF. And they didn't. That's all that matters to me. Damn
Word
Yes, not worth a pinch of shit if it can't focus in my work with presenters.
One job
Awesome review, finally M43 is back in 2022. Please do consider reviewing OM-1, too!
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He won’t. Their anti Olympus. Lol. A few years back he said MFT was dead. Most likely he gets a check for dissing MFT. When I’m reality my OMD EM1 with prime glass will out shoot his full frames. 🤣🤣🤣
Thank you!.. but: - how does it compare to the new OM1? I think it would be interesting to see how side by side high-res images would compare between GH6 and Om1. I think there are more viewers that are already invested in m43 lenses who ask themselves to go with one of the two than there are who consider going from Canon to Lumix. I am inclined to believe that the OM1 high-res would be quite close to the GH6 - and with better autofocus. What do you think Tony and Chelsea? And is there a reason for the rather cool review of OM1, then the hot review of GH6? Strange, would be great to have your view?
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Nice to see the review in 4K @ 60fps and so getting the best out of the sample footage from the GH6, the lens stabilisation and that smoothness was really impressive . The mock interview, the colour looked a lot nicer on the GH6 compared to the Cannon, although not sure if it was the most accurate to real-life with not having been there in person. The hunting autofocus is basically how contrast detection works and to reaffirm it's in focus it has to "wobble" the focus to see if contrast improves in order to know it is still focused. If it detects contrast dropping, its a toss of a coin if it focuses first in the correct direction so giving a more obvious hunting, although depth from defocus is suppose to take away that guess work, it only works with Panasonic lenses I think, but still isn't going to be 100% reliable. Face detection can be unreliable if the lens is focused on the background and so a persons face close to the lens may be too out of focus for the camera to see it's a face, so it can get stuck focused on a contrasty background. Until Panasonic move away from contrast based focusing, all the same issues are going to remain.
12:00 I like the GH6 colors over Canon. You should do some more tests with other lenses. Great episode.
It did look better. It my the R6 look like a camera phone.
I think there is a false video footage or actually lies about canon and Panasonic, look at 11:35 about autofocus, canon autofocus never behaving like that.
How about Tony and Chelsea doing a review and comparison of the latest smart phones camera abilities. Even if we own one or more Dslrs we all still have a smart phone and often get images that would be difficult to get with dslr. Increasingly the smart phone is replacing the dslr and compact camera, surely they deserve the detailed in depth T&C treatment?
They’ve reviewed smartphones.
Phones or action cams and high end film cameras and full frame slr:s make sense to me. Maybe smaller sensor slr:s for 300+mm lenses and wildlife. I brought my m43 to a trip recently and didnt use it once, used my phone for everything.
My point is, no matter what features they have all small consumer slr:s do in essence what phones do. Small sensor, bad in low light, same image characteristics. Nothing really happens imagewise until you go to something like the old canon 5d. And if you want that quality in video plus all the features - af, ibis and so on, it will cost.
That doesn't mean m43 etc is bad, it's just that phones improved so much they're doing to video capable slr:s what they did to compact still cameras a decade+ ago. The ergonomics of a phone is annoying, i'd love the iphone 13 pro cameras in a dedicated super small device like an osmo action cam.
@@fredriksvard2603 I agree re ergonomics of phones when used as cameras .. awkward to hold ... perhaps a clip on grip with battery and shutter switch would work and incorporating a customisable dial ? Hold on, I just invented that and need to file a patent.
@@grumblewoof4721 I'd buy one...
@@grumblewoof4721 Panasonic basically made that a few years ago and it was called the CM1. It had a 1" sensor. Took far better pics than most phones and had full aperture, exposure, shutter speed controls. Didn't have a removeable battery though.
Panasonic you had one job in the past 4 years since the gh5 and that was to fix the autofocus it’s crazy how a company so stubborn that they don’t listen to the people that are actually using the cameras . At the same time is packed with features and the image in video looks good waiting for some reviews with speed booster to make final decision . Thanks for the review
You forget to mention the disastrous jitter and judder results you get when shooting moving objects on video with the GH5. For my video work the GH5 is totally unusable. Spent 4500 euro's on the GH5 and several lenses, and all this money, is thrown down the drain. I will never buy Panasonic again. Jitter all over and bad autofocus. It was the biggest mistake in my working career ever. I don't think these serious problems are solved on the GH6...
Panasonic had only one problem to upgrade AF, and they did not. All other features great, but for solo creators like me, reliable AF is a must!
there is a reason to stay in this AF technologie... overheating problems that's why all other companies they can't records for hours as Lumix does
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I've been shooting for 35 years. I shot a feature Emmy winning doc with the GH5 and the original Blackmagic camera and I never once used auto focus. In fact I can't think of a time, in video or still shooting, that I ever replied on auto focus except for back in the SVHS days. I've shot with just about every Panasonic camera since the DVX-100, including the EVA-1. My first video camera was a pixel vision camera from fisher price and my introduction to film was on actual film (16mm) so autofocus was never a thing. I guess I've never thought of any autofocus system as useful. Does the GH6 attempt face tracking like the GH5 did?
I shot a bunch of videos over 2 weeks and the auto focus did not fail. It worked as well as my Sony A7C, which means the odd subject would not be in focus until I zoomed out a bit and it reset. Other than that almost perfect auto focus. The colours and the dynamic range are absolutely stunning. The GH6 is incredible.
Is raw video coming at least externally?
But that prores will be mad crazy especially on latest macbook pros
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Once Panasonic get on to phase detect autofocus they will attract so many more people. That ibis difference is night and day.
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Thank you for keeping the 'lower your seat' part in
So I'm guessing the next Panasonic R+D department meeting isn't going to last very long, an updated GH6ii with Phase detect AF, and their job is done. Come on Panasonic, what are you waiting for? Great review by the way guys, and thanks for not sugar coating the negative issues of the camera, as well as highlighting the positives. :)
you 2 convinced me to join m4/3, when i saw your GH4 and GH5 videos. Now i'll wait to see a test between Olympus OM1 and the GH6 made by you, to make up my mind.
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A fitting finale for the GH lineup!
13:55 Pbbbt!
Tony: "It's the lens."
Chelsea: "Sure."
🤣
It seems to be near perfect, apart from the autofocus. And of course you still loose the depth of field from the sensor size but still, impressive.
It would be interesting to see a comparison with the new OM-1, which seems to have come on leaps and bounds in the AF department.
In video you need mor depth of field and not the opposite... so mirco 4/3 is better. Imagine in dark situation and using 2.2 in micro 3/4 and still has enough DOF. in FF is not possible you focus on Eye and losing the ear.
@@perishellas7228 Then you’d change your aperture on full frame to f4.8. You can increase depth of field on a full frame, but you can’t get the same shallow depth of field and light gathering, on the Lumix. At least not with the available lenses.
The OM-1 and GH-6 seem designed for very different user groups: primary photographers who want some video, or primary videographers who want some stills. It's almost an apples to oranges comparison.
@@JohnDrummondPhoto Almost, shallow depth of field in someways is not as important for video, however, that limits natural light videos and autofocus still seems to be lacking even for that.
I feel like the IBIS in the GH6 makes up for the auto focus because focus pulls are so much easier on a stabilised sensor, I understand some filmmakers/ content creators NEED auto focus but for the general cinematographer/ videographer that will be behind the camera at all times, I feel like this is the M43 version of the Sony A7siii
If you still have your demo GH6, i'd really recommend revisiting the AF settings for your vlog setup as it should have grabbed your face easily in that shot. Looks to me like you had 1 area turned on perhaps, but not the actual human detection.
I've used GH cameras and subsequently the S5/S1H since launch and have lots of success tracking brides for example when filming weddings. It's usually always bang on grabbing a face as clearly as yours was.
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All of the IBIS demos I see on YT are typically outdoors in daylight. I appreciated the nighttime shot. However, I can get those daytime shots with an iPhone. If the GH6 was lighter and under $2k, maybe? All things considered without 5.6k resolution, a BMPCC 4K is the bargain for video.
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I have the GH6. The videos are clear. I never had too much of a problem with the autofocus, I shoot my things on a tripod anyways. A ton of video resolutions on it and codecs to use. It can miss on the autofocus though. They always come out with new cameras every year anyways. Maybe the new GH series camera will have PDAF instead of DFD based autofocus. We'll see.
Watching in a Calibrated 4K TV the GH6 video quality and colors destroys the Cannon in so many levels. I never use Auto-focus and I never allowed on any commercials and projects I have done. The solution is to use a shutter-remote to lock in focus if you want to have perfect focus while v-logging with GH6. I think the GH6 opens the door for greatness creations for a fraction of the price of high end cameras. It even gives a sense of film look quality but different.
@3:50 🤣 came here for the GH6, but stayed for the personalities
Glad to see new life for Micro 4/3. I hope they make a lighter version that is less video oriented and more stills photographer oriented. (perhaps a GX-7 body loaded with all the GH-6 stills tech and hi-res mode))
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G9 would be a good option for stills
Yep, I'm hoping the same thing. Would love to see something geared towards stills but the size of a g95 (or even a hair smaller).
Really impressive computational photography on the Panasonic with that 100mp mode
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do they still have the AF lock button like on the G9, works good especially before vlogging.
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Yeah I don’t understand why OM1 wasn’t even mentioned with its superior focusing system
very good balanced review, will be interesting to see your comparison with Olympus OM1 for stills AF especially action, birds in flight, motor racing, action and sports ....not video......where the Lumix wins hands down
Panasonic has been great at video for years on the pro level. No surprise they did a great job on the GH6 where video is concerned.
Wow, nice sample pictures and videos! It really gives a feel of the strengths and weaknesses of each camera!
Off subject, but I want to give you two kudos for your relationship. You really work well as a team. Very rare in marriages, let alone working together, let alone having a business together. I hope in decades to come, your still a team in everything. :)
Thanks Chris!
You know what Northrups, if you really want the perfect VLOG camera the new OM-1 solves all the problems you discussed in this video. Reliable phase detect autofocus, and stabilization that's likely just as good or better than the GH6.
But what lenses? Panasonic has the f1.7 zooms which are pretty perfect but Oly has nothing similar and cross-brand stabilization and AF suffers.
But couldn't you just take the Panasonic 1.7 zooms on the Olympus? They have no OIS built in anyways.
@@peteroehmig845 it's not the same. Olympus needs to make better lenses period.
@mankind117 Well of course, Mr. Olympus stole their disposable FF camera when tey were pixelpeeping in the stroller..
@@TonyAndChelsea well my friends it's a good thing you can use those lenses on the OM-1 LOL. I've been using the Panaleica 12mm 1.4 for vlogging on my e-m1 2 , those lenses have always worked great, even for the autofocus. Basically, I solved your vlogging problems with a Olympus camera that was launched in 2016 LOL
I've been saving up for the A7s iii for storm chasing, and I was really wondering if the GH6 would be a cheaper alternative.
But auto focus is a MUST for me, so thank you so much for the review! I'll keep saving for the A7s iii.
For quick reliable focus I in your case I would not recommend this cam. Sony is better option.
this is for slow paced film making manual focus is the way to go with these gh cams
mate if you are just shooting landscape than I don't think that you need a good AF. Just lock you AF and then switch to manual focusing...
@@DuncanDimanche-sreview storm chasing isnt landscape shots lmao
@@archfxt3619 please excuse my ignorance but how is it any different to landscape when we are talking focus? Like wouldn’t you be filming or photographing from far enough away it would sure,y be infinity focus? You don’t need great autofocus to pull that off. The GH6 would do that no problem at all.
Kudos to Panasonic for keeping the dream alive!
What about all those 100+ tiny, delicious M43 lenses? They are such an asset when used with such a sophisticated body and computational photography
At 6:16 when you are showing your house. I kind of like the bricks better on the Canon low resolution it has grit. I'm not a big fan of noise but I like it on the bricks looks like a old western look.
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Did you turn on the face detection when you were vlogging? I have seen other reviews with much better results. Great Review.
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I can't believe that Panasonic left DFDAF in the GH-6 because, over five years ago, they thought no one cared?? Over the ensuing five years of negative feedback about AF in ALL their cameras, even the S1H, Panasonic STILL thought no one cared? That's staggering, because otherwise the GH-6 is an amazing video camera. But that AF is a deal-breaker.
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T & C, something I have not heard you mention......Zebras for "still" photos in the R5. The A1 gives you Zebras for "still" photography which makes exposure very precise easy. BIF shooters love the A1 feature. It would be a great feature for Canon to add to the R5 and R6 via firmware. Sounds like Panasonic may have it also.
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That computational hires feature is amazing. Landscape and architectural photographers would love this camera.
Great news!!
I really like that there still are more options.
I will consider it, as I liked the GH5.
It would be interesting if you do an extensive video ability test with different lenses, including anamorphic.
Best wishes
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the GH6 never fails to lock on focus on me in vlogging style video, i've done some test with full area(face/eye detection) and it's beautifully handled, the only possible reason it missed focus completely in your case, is maybe you unintentionally touched the LCD screen and selected a spot to focus on instead of the human subject itself, or you left it on center focus or spot focus which will very likely fail when you are not perfectly in the center of the frame.
Any chance of a review between the new GH6 and the older G9?
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Time to update the "Best mirrorless & DSLR cameras for ANY budget in 2022!" video :)
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I vowed never to go back to never go back to M43 but this may have me reconsidering! Can you cover the new masking feature in Lightroom? I’m loving my R6 for v-log too.
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Are you going to review the Olympus OM1? Or have I missed it?
I dont get it. Why Panasonic can't increment phase detection or dual pixel autofocus? Is there a limitation because of the lenses or m43 sensors? What keeps them down and not give us phase detection in a firmware update to all Panasonic cameras?
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Okay, this was a nice video, but I do have a few points to raise that might influence some people interested in either the GH6 or R6.
Firstly, I've never seen my R6 autofocus do what yours did in a straight interview situation... Nor my R5 or C70. It can wobble occasionally when tracking an object, but if its got the face locked on in a static well lit scenario, it pretty much never misses.
Also the colours looked really different in the comparison to such an extent that it makes me feel the white balance was off on one of the cameras, so I'd urge people not judge either camera on that.
My previous GH5 and GH5S cameras had colours that looked a bit different to Canon, but not to anything like that degree.
Overall though, the GH6 does look tempting and I love the way Panasonic cameras operate... but the autofocus is still a turn off, and if they were suggesting that phase detection would've been in the camera if its development started later, then I'd be inclined to wait and see what the successor to the S1H looks like.... that could be very interesting.
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If they get autofocus right in S1H ii or S2, They would reign supreme.
S2H or S1 ii then. But I agree.
No camera is perfect, but the GH6 is looking as having my name written all over it. The over all package of features I love. Time to trade-in my trusty G9.
Thanks, but really keen to see you guys do a OM1 hands on review. I’m hoping it’s as good as they say but would trust your judgement before I sell all my Sony gear 😁 thank you in advance
Will you guys get your hands on an OM-1 as well?
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yup just pre ordered
Many thanks for this very informative video. It seems to me that the incredible functionalities and performances offered by GH6 for video coupled to the poor design or its autofocus makes it a perfect tool for professionals, which I'm not... Now I think I'll go for the new Olympus OM1, which price is identical, and matches my needs better than what your test has shown on GH6.
Or, get them both the OM-1/GH6, try them for yourself, and return the one that did not fit your needs or style of use…
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This kind of BS is what makes cameras and other products so expensive. If you want to try something, then get off your ass and go to a retail outlet so that you can "try" it onsite, or rent one for a day to try outside the store. It's the maker who has to pay for our "buy-try-and return" society. And THAT makes things more expensive for everyone. Stop thinking that whatever you do doesn't have to be accounted for by someone or guessing that that's okay as long as it's not YOU.
@@glen-draketoolworks7186 Actually, maker do not usually pay, the retailers do. Most of these CZcamsrs that review tech are not receiving review models. There are too many. These people are not rich, but credit cards are amazing, not surprising the majority reside in countries with consumer protection policies. Most regions in the world, you bought it, its yours, if it’s a lemon, you best figure that out at the counter…
Also, companies such as Amazon and Walmart “BUY-N-LARGE” have more to do with your particular grievances, especially Amazon. Who is responsible for more packages not being delivered and reissued, than your “buy-try-return society.” Some companies even feature that as a marketing strategy. Like sending several eye glasses, pick the one you want, send the rest back. Clothiers too. People like Bezos are approaching trillionaire status, and you want us to feel sorry for them. Apple became the first trillion dollar cap company and you want sympathy for capitalist and corporations…
Sorry my friend, I have not a violin small enough to suit that crusade…
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@@superzero4250 Yes. I agree. Amazon, Walmart, et al. have created the buy-try-and-return society. But what about the small maker? And you are confused about how wholesale works. Besides that, a lot of small shops (makers) sell direct, so you are dealing directly with the maker(s). There is a clear line of demarcation between utilizing a return policy and abusing a return policy. Knowing full well that you are going to return something before you buy it is abuse. I'm afraid I can't get behind your version of integrity. Using Jeff Bezos and others to justify your behavior smacks of entitlement. I'm done.
@@glen-draketoolworks7186 Someone that does this, would specifically select a retailer that would be more conducive to returns. Smaller retailer tend to have restrictions. Globalization has changed the landscape. Some people do not live near camera shops or rental stores, what do they do… You act like we are living in the late 1900’s. You sound like my father who just can’t let go of CD’s and DVD’s, and struggling with the concept of downloading and streaming…
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8:13 Canon color science. 😍 Now I remember why I switched to Canon. Still have the GH5.
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As usual, the CDAF is truly the Achilles heel Panasonic's M43 cameras.
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Tony, nice and balanced review. I think Panasonic really missed a huge opportunity with sticking to the contrast detect DFD technology. GH6 could easily be one of the best affordable video cameras with implementing combined phase and contrast detection autofocus technologies. I know that you had in the past and liked very much the Olympus EM5II and EM1, I learned from your videos and book a lot, thanks for this. You should really check and give a chance to the recently announced Olympus OM-1 with the new Sony 20MP backside-illuminated quad pixel stacked CMOS sensor. It is most likely the first camera with quad pixel stacked sensor. It has 1053 focus points with 100% sensor coverage. It can shoot 50 fps in continuous auto-focus mode with electronic shutter compared to 7 fps of GH6. The low light noise performance and dynamic range are also significantly improved. With a sharp Olympus pro lens in hand-held or tripod (50 and 80 Mp) high resolution mode it will blow out of the water the Canon R6, maybe even R5, and the picture quality is close to the Sony A7RIV used on a tripod. The only difference is that with a stabilized Olympus lens (e.g 12-100 f4 pro) you can easily handhold it for several seconds (even at 100 mm), which is impossible with Sony A7RIV with any Sony or Zeiss lenses (including the stabilized ones). I rarely can get perfectly sharp results on A7RIV handheld even at 0.2-0.3 sec with the 35 mm f1.4 or stabilized 24-100 f4 at 35 mm. The new EVF in OM-1 is also very good and superior to the EVF in GH6. It is similar to the EVF in Sony A7RIV with faster refresh rate. The IBIS, sensor and processing speed in OM-1 is so good that you can now do live composite and live ND up to 6-stops handheld. OM-1 is probably the last result of the Olympus R&D. It represents the best from EM1III and EM1-X with an amazing new sensor, much faster processor, improved computation imaging, 5.76 million dot OLED EVF with fast refresh rate, improved resolution screen, and redesigned menu system. The video features are also largely improved (DCI/UHD 4K up to 60p 10-Bit; full HD up to 240 fs) with a very good auto-focus and IBIS. I am seriously thinking on getting rid of my Sony A7III, A7RIV, A7IV and all lenses and sticking with the M43. With implementing computational photography, which is the future, M43 has a potential to catch up with the full frame very soon. The improved image quality of GH6 in video is also largely due to computational image processing (it is averaging 2 images with different gains/frame in "dynamic range boost" mode). This may result in cleaner video of GH6 at relatively high ISOs than of A7SIII until the dual ISO of A7SIII sensor kicks in, where the GH6 gets left behind (see Potato Jet's very comprehensive video of GH6 video features).
any combination m43 camera/lens that would nearly give us same results as sony r4 + sigma 105? ... then yeah - I will jump off
@@VirtuosityToniLekic Not yet, only in high resolution mode which is limited to still objects at the moment. However, if computational imaging is able to compensate for movements in high resolution mode, which will inevitably happen, this may change the game. This technology is already in part implemented in top smart phones which have very powerful and energy efficient CPUs, unlike cameras with CPUs from the stone age....the sensor technology is already almost there (the new Sony sensor in OM1 with single auto-focus can read 120 fps in RAW; the GH6 sensor without autofocus 300 fps). In hand held high res mode OM1-combines 16 images, GH6 8 images. I like traveling and taking night pictures of cities without carrying a large tripod. Try to get sharp pictures with sigma 105 mm or Sony 70-200 mm f2.8 at 200 mm handheld with Sony A7RIV at f8-f10 during the night without raising the ISO above 12,800. My threshold for noise on Sony A7R4 is below ISO 3200, at 12,800 and above the pictures look horrible. I can easily handhold the old Olympus EM1III with 12-100 mm lens (equivalent to 24-200 full frame) with 7.5 stops of stabilization at 100(200) mm using baseline ISO at nigh, resulting in much better image even at 20Mp than the ones taken with Sony A7RIV. If nothing is moving with handheld high resolution mode I can get even higher resolution images with much less noise and increased dynamic range. Of course if you have a tripod and time the 4x larger sensor is superior, this is simple physics. But traveling with several huge G master quality full frame lenses, which can resolve the 61Mp Sony sensor, and a tripod and walking 10-20 miles/day is really not fun and can be painful (for your back/neck).
@@palpacher1968 damn, that is some cool stuff (especially by night), but I meant more/and bokeh performance of something like 105mm sigma... will ever be possible with m43?
concerning resolution, 24-70 Gmaster on r4 is so bad... I would say more like 11mpx
but sigma 105 sigma on r4 looks like 100mpx imo
@@VirtuosityToniLekic optically you will never match the bokeh of sigma 105 f1.4 mm used from the same distance with similar m43 lens (maybe with Panasonic Leica 200 mm which is much longer...), but with computational photography sooner or later it would be possible (just think about how good the fake bokeh is becoming on new iPhones, or in Luminar Neo......24-70 Gmaster indeed not a match for the 61Mp Sony sensor; the same is true for the Olympus lenses, some are very good and limited by the sensor size, others are designed for 12-16Mp sensors; for example the Olympus 45 mm f1.2 PRO lens would easily resolve a 60Mp sensor, but M34 sensors are limited to 20 and now 25Mp on GH6
This looks like the camera of year. Great review, and thanks for sharing.
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Why not a comparison between the GH6 and the OM-1? I expected that will be the first comparison you would do.
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Your video is short, but has all the information I need to know. Thank U for video, Tony & Chelsea.
Many filmmakers use manual focus anyhow, so the poor autofocus functionality would not be a huge deterrant, compared to what you are actually getting with this camera.
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Great m4/3 camera, but I can't help thinking that the S5 is cheaper and has better video quality. So unless your heavily invested in m4/3 glass I can't really see the point.
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Great review, short but to the point.
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So if you need AF get a Canon or Sony. If video quality is more important get GH6? So... Not a Micro 4/3 vs Full frame issue? How about cost of and availability of M4/3 lens vs equivalent full frame glass? What would the total cost of a video setup cost, including monitors and audio setup? I feel that we need a more in-depth look at the total cost of ownership before I can make an informed decision.
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While I appreciate your review of photography equipment and recognize your expertise as influencers and gearheads, there is an arrogance about your attitude and delivery that is palpable. Still, I am glad that your channel exists and wish you the best in 2022.
Damn. I never seen a smoother bridge into advertisement, you guys are inborn Marketing geniouses.
Love it!, thanks for always provide honest reviews and opinions it makes your work even more trust worthy, really appreciated, keep up the amazing work and THANKS again!
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Thank you for this presentation!I have been using panasonic video camcoder until now and I am satisfied, I need to upgrade. This video solidified my idea to get this camera with LLaica G lenses.
If you manual focus, no wobble. I hope some new users understand. It's like using auto iso on videos, then complain the exposure is constantly changing. Auto anything you give up control as well.
100%. I absolutely would not trust autofocus unless it's a project I didn't care about. Imagine Roger Deakins relying on Canon autofocus to shoot a feature. Ha ha ha.
Forgive my ignorance but why are the Olympus cameras never considered as a viable option for video work with their superior autofocus? What about the OM-1? Are the improvements not video focused enough to recommend even with vastly superior autofocus?
I get that the flexibility in settings, bit rates, zebra stripes etc on the Panasonic models but as Tony said if autofocus is bad it ruins the shot.
It just depends on what you need. I would say go Olympus if you want autofocus and the best stabilization but image quality can take a back seat. If you want the best image quality on M4/3 for a production environment and you can manually focus than the GH6 is going to be much better and be easier to use in said production environment.
They held nothing back...except the AF, an absolutely essential aspect of handheld cameras. Considering the intended video use, that's beyond absurd. Cine cameras are manual too, but they are meant to be operated at least two people, one being the focus puller.
Great review. I realize this video is about a year old, but here is my dilemma. I own a D850 with many Nikon lenses and considered buying the GH6 for primarily its excellent video abilities, internal stabilization, etc…. but now the Z8 has entered the ring and has internal stabilization combined with autofocus in high res video that the D850 cannot even come close to. So as the GH6 is almost the same price as the difference in price between selling my D850 and buying the Z8 is it a no brainer to just sell the D850 and buy the Z8? It would also essentially make all of my existing lenses “stabilized” with the internal stabilization of the Z8. Thanks for your input👍
10:30 When using a lens that has IS with the R6, the IS switch on the lens controls both lens IS and IBIS. There isn't a way to separate them, so those shots are with zero stabilization. IBIS itself is only controllable in the menus when using a lens without IS. No clue why Canon does that.
Other than that, very good review, and good to see MFT still going.
Companies complaining about chip shortage and yet Panasonic made this heap of junk. If its not ready, don't release it.
Definitely, the footage from the R6 clearly look like handheld shots with no stabilization.
It's the 24-70 f2.8 RF with sensor stabilization enabled.
@@TonyAndChelsea that lens has OIS and the R6 does not allow you to independently disable IBIS and OIS, it's all or nothing. So you were recording with no stabilization.
It's the same for Sony. If you disable lens IS you also disable IBIS. I guess it is to make the switch more convenient as an all/nothing switch instead of you having to adjust two things.
Panasonic really needs to release a successor of the Zs60/70/80 with this new handheld multi frame noise reduction high resolution raw file mode. This could be extremely useful in not so good light conditions. There's no compact camera (including smartphones, I compared it with a Pixel 6 Pro, which was much worse regarding distant objects) that can compete with the angular resolution of a travel zoom camera like the Zs60 at 720mm. For example, I tested that the Zs60 has a better angular resolution than a Canon M50 + Ef-s 55-250mm STM lens. A Zs70 also delivers better image quality than the more expensive Zs200 at 720mm. A camera like the Zs60 is super useful for birds (one nearly always needs at least 720mm for birds), I can carry it in my jacket and don't even notice it.
Olympus/OM has a much better auto focus, is there a reason you didn't mention it as a possible alternative? Is there something the OM-1 can't do that you feel strongly enough makes it unviable for video?
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you could always manual focus with the gh cameras. especially as there are no anamorphic lenses with af. (the 5.8k anamorphic is pretty cool)
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Looking very forward to and waiting for you longer term review. Thank You Northrups.
Love the focus on the background, LOL. Best DFD ever from Panasonic, again!
I still don't understand why Panasonic sticks to the DfD only system as a producer of video centric cameras. Everyone else uses phase detect af and everyone else seems to produce better results. Hope they figure it out in the future.
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2:29 it was in development before the GH5? 😅 That was more than 5 years ago.
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That low light and stabe is incredible for M43. I've learnt to not even trust Sony AF in low light so I mainly keep my cameras in MF so this has got me thinking. I've not owned a Pany since the GH3 era and ironically the only reason I sold that was the AF. Really top notch review both! I remember giving you a bit of stick for your M43 is dead video so when saw this I was expecting to say I told you so but the way you handled the video I only really have praise.
The Canon footage of Tony looks like his skin is very pink. The Panasonic skin tones were beautiful.
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Chelsea secretly loves Pentax!
Sad launch, great camera, poor c-af.
The interview shots where interesting seeing the shots side by side I thought the R6 colour make you look dead, and GH6 made you look ill with yellow fever..
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Wow. Great side by side comparison with the R6. I’m definitely not getting either camera due to poor autofocus. Selling my last bit of Panasonic kit but keeping my Olympus. The GH7 won’t have PDAF either.
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