You can actually use this in the sun - Sun Vision rE rLCD Display
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It's not an OLED, but it is pretty unique. This Sun Vision Display brings what they call rLCD, a whole new tech that we need to reflect on for a second. So is the solution any good? Like Blue light defeating good? Well, only one way to find out!
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0:00 Intro
1:18 What the heck is this?
3:07 Outdoors Experience
4:05 What makes this unique
8:04 Why does it exist
9:02 A weird choice
9:53 Indoor Experience
14:12 Outro - Věda a technologie
As a live audio engineer, I could see this being useful. Most functions on modern digital consoles are part of the screen. When we do outdoor festivals, it is very difficult to see the display. Even with a tent or canopy the display can be unusable.
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I do live audio as well, I'd love to see a hybrid display like this. Where it has a front light like a Kindle e-reader or that other e-ink display they mentioned. That way it can simulate sunlight (I guess like a GBA-SP). Because agreed outdoor midday shows absolutely impossible at times. But once the sun goes down, or if you're doing an indoor show, the Achilles heel of "needs light to function" becomes apparent, and the little goosenecks on most desks may not be enough. Just add a toggle near the screen so you can turn on the light when needed, or turn it off when you don't.
Still seems like an incomplete solution for that. Once it gets dark, or even the sun no longer in a position to reflect off the monitor at you, you're just gonna need a different display.
@@PendragonDaGreat yeah I think you have the right idea here It would need to be some sort of hybrid solution
Yeah this is for functional usage, not high fidelity creative graphic stuff. There's probably a way to adapt it to automotive displays with a complementary light for when the sun isn't on it.
It handles sunlight better than 90% of reddit mods
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Yep!
(thinks about when my post got removed and the moderator refused to explain why beyond the name of the rule they clicked on)
only 90% ?!
You're being too generous.
@@kbhasiI got banned for hate speech when I said nothing at all. It was eventually overturned but yeah, get banned for absolutely nothing !
10:20 goddamn, I spit out my breakfast
Honestly, I've done a lot of fabrication stuff, I can totally see this being really useful.
There are a ton of various outdoor events, worksites, and even just general inspections in which having a Nuk style computer hooked up to one of these screens connected via an extension cord would be absolutely amazing for just general diagnostics.
((Also there's a bunch of fishing events that record all their weights on the computer and I always see them just bending over squinting at the screen as they try and see it))
Yes but charging 1500 to essentially remove features and only be 1080p+60hz is genuinely outrageous
@nimmawibba9874 oh yeah, the price is outrageous, but frankly when your doing work stuff like tracking attendance, troubleshooting things on the field, 60hz 1080p is pretty much the best you'd ever need. On top of the fact this probably is only being bought by industries where price tends to not be an obstacle.
Useful for outdoor events if you need an admin desk for accounting, sign-ins for attendees, and payment processing
A 32 inch screen ?
But then it would be more useful on a tablet, ideally a waterproof one.
car's dashboard as i don't always want back-lighting and or blindingly senter but also don't see the need in the modern era for 20 mechanical gages anymore other than for fantasy design as functional can be handled better with minimal gages+buttons and screen's
@@richardprice5978yeah but what about at night?
Also for the audio-video engineers. someone has to manage the projection maps and the DSP mixer on the audio stack at your festival, even during the daytime.
the only screen where a lightbar makes sense!
a lightbar makes sense either way since it lights up your desk and uses less power than lighting the room
Lightbars are designed in such a way that they don't hit the screen. So they're useless for this.
@@CanIHasThisNameLinus has always thought they were stupid since "Why would you want to light up the screen when it already has a backlight???"
well, they are actually Desk lights that use your monitor as the mount. they are supposed to light up the desk.
and give your eyes less strain as they brighten your desk space in general.
But you can angle them to also point at the screen if you want.
@@TheHammerGuy94 I'm aware, it took quite a while for someone to finally explain it to him (haven't seen him make that remark in a long while, so I'm assuming someone did). To be fair though, many people have the same misconception, so it's not a difficult mistake to make.
And he still has a point that they're ridiculously expensive even considering the specific temperature, especially since most of them only illuminate the front, not the back (shining a light at the wall behind the monitor is often the most effective way of preventing eye strain).
@CanIHasThisName lol, I too thought they were for lighting up the screen 😅
And yeah, I agree, lighting up the wall behind the monitor is great (probably better to prevent eye strain. I have a RGB strip on the back of my desk that lights up the wall. I installed it for looks (and because it was left over from a previous project), but it I quickly noticed that it really makes computing in the dark more comfortable.
10:27 bruh who wrote THAT joke I didn’t expect that anywhere 💀💀💀💀
the ghost of anthony
emily
or jake
or any of their friends on the writing team
Someone who doesn't live in Florida or even the US
Dude doesn't understand how much outdoor workers need this. Same for ads could be seen during the wouldn't emit light at night. And as other people said remote working in your garden, terrasse, balcony, patio or at the beach...
My wife would have love that screen last week.
Me when the video started: "So it's a GameBoy?"
The video 2 seconds later: "Yep, it's a GameBoy"
😩😒
GameBoy Color!
lol same here, was like oh its a gameboy cool.
people forget how viewable the gbc was when sitting out in the yard.
@@Runslik3Wind And the battery life was wild. You could take shitty alkaline batteries and game for hundreds of hours on them. So much of my childhood was spent with my waiting times at the buss stop or sneaking some pokemon play at night on my GBC (which I still have). Really incredible tech and games for the time, that are still fairly impressive.
I thought the same
Actual use case - live events, like music festivals where sound and lighting techs need to see screens. Also, astrophotographers who do a lot of solar imaging - that's something I personally do and seeing the screen is one of the hardest parts about doing it.
I work in live events and second this... but it would need to also have a backlight that could be enabled during dark conditions to really be worth using.
Audio engineer isn't going to want to sit in the sun
I have a custom 16" Dobsonian. The nosebleed cost of tunable Ha filters under 4 angstrom keeps me confined to nighttime use. That's fine. Galaxy's, clusters bot spherical and open, planets, moons. Yes. Moons.
@@kretieg haha yes, Ha scopes / tuneable filters are crazy expensive. I generally only do deep sky with a newtonian monochrome camera setup. I only do casual white light solar imaging which is good fun, but the difficulties of seeing the screen are still very real.
@@willofthewind At 12:12, he explains that frontlighting is available on SVD's outdoor signage -- just not included on the monitor due to customer preference.
lmao the "dissapear faster than a book about gender in a Florida library" caught me off guard :3
Really did xD
I worked in Ag-Tech for years, and man, I wish I had a display like this for all my readouts in the field. Would've mad e a huge difference when giving demos and pretty much all the other work I had to do from my truck.
Due to ultraviolet dyes mixed in, the sheet of paper actually "reflects" more (visible) light than initially hit it. The dye converts some invisible light into visible light, so you see more light.
That's rad.
That explains how stupidly white that paper is.
How do we get so many bullets in them? Like this! Plus, we fire the whole bullet. That's 65% more bullet per bullet. This is the same technology we've been using on robots for decades. Scares the hell out of them. They come in hundreds of designer colors including forest, desert, table, evening at the improv... what idiot picked the...
So you are basically saying, the display would be brighter under sunlight, if theyd had used a sheet of paper as their reflective layer?
Optical brighteners strike again
4:16 I'ts really funny to note that aside from text it "doesn't look that good" when, in that lighting, it looks about 1000x better than the monitor right next to it because you can actually see it clearly.
he clarifies that in 20 seconds
I mean this to be constructive, as someone who watches all your videos on a tv with surround sound or computer with reference speakers and subwoofer. Can you please apply a high pass filter, often you guys have some errant low frequencies bouncing around, this video has it around 5 minutes (wind on the lavalier I'm sure). Love your channel
You probably should email them and ask for the email to be forwarded, if you care enough :D
OLED, nah I have SUNLED
😂
"LED" stands for Light Emitting Display. So maybe SRD? Sun reflecting display?
@@Nate-bd8fg LED stands for Light Emitting Diode
@@Pib31995 ah shit you rite
How did this comment get 340 likes, my whole channel got 23 ( wut)
Another use case for a monitor like this could be on job sites that use BIM software. Contractors on site can get updated drawings that are displayed on a computer monitor that typically needs to be in a dim area so they can be read. This display could help make those drawing stations more accessible on job sites.
But that's more what their original signage monitors would be ideal for, given they're waterproof and presumably built to take a beating. I just can't figure how this kind of screen in a traditional monitor package is useful.
Updated drawings😂😂 good one!!
Do you work with BIM? I don't really work in the field, but have heard a bit about it (mostly from my dad who works on civil engineering projects). From what I've heard it seems like unneeded complexity without any benefit. I would love to hear someone's opinion who actually works with BIM.
@@bakto2122 from what I have seen (architecture side) its only used by firms who have all of their consultants already using revit/BIM so it makes sense or if there is a project that is very complicated and needs better coordination between the structural engineer's drawings and the MEP's drawings. Other than that its not used much because it costs too much to have everyone on board.
Some company made an RLCD android tablet not long ago,
. That would perfect for job sites.
This monitor means that I can now sit outside to take my meetings instead of sitting inside in a dark cube all day. It's a bit pricey, but if it gets any cheaper I'll buy one for sure. Imagine having one of these at the beach
this. I don't understand how nobody here seems to want this. I really hate working so much in the dark when outside is nice weather.
That is an excellent use case! The RLCD monitor opens some big doors for people who want to bring their office outside to bright environs where backlit tech is very limited.
Thats honestly not a half bad idea. Outdoor office. Idk how comfortable the display would be in some lighting conditions. But slap your pc on a cart or stand, with an outlet strip, monitor, and webcam, and you could work in the backyard easily. Or a screened in porch.
Kinda reminds me how some writers used to take their typewriter out on a nice day. They even offered typewriter cases with tripods, for working while travelling or at baseball games or w/e.
Who takes a pc to the beach?
You don't bring your gaming PC to the beach??@@Gorlami90
I "Finally" Understand why Benq makes those display top-down lights.
This would be great for saving battery in a laptop when outside, but you'd also want the option to toggle a backlight for inside
I need this with usb-c output
I was thinking about a toggleable backlight, but this probably has to be calibrated such that the image looks right when passing through the color filters twice, which would make the backlight image washed out when compared to the reflected image. This probably would make contrast still highly dependent on ambient light
The problem is in the diffusion layers. This monitor is dimm already in everything but daylight, so adding several another layers would make unusable even in overcast. As I see it, you either have RLCD with *front* light or you'd need a switchable diffusion or mirror layers. Another option is to go with Quantum dots, since they could convert the light from the front and from the back.
Backlight? Build a front light into the bottom of the laptop
Or a frontlight toggle like the first GBA-SP
if they start making these water and dust proof these could be great option for military use, whether for laptops or battle screens or other uses, the need to cover a screen to see it is a problem that hasn't been solved properly.
I'm thinking maybe off-grid in a sun room. But at the absurd price of this thing, I'd rather spend $100 on a monitor and $1400 on more solar/battery capacity in that case.
until u have a night mission😅
These monitors are purely reflective, so they don't offer any versatility. For military or general outdoors use, you would want a transflective display, which has both a reflective layer as well as a backlight. But they're even more expensive and have some issues of their own.
@@pdblouin u are right to say that, but the U.S. government, especially army, loves spending enormous amounts on things that could have cost a fraction, so it's not unrealistic for them to invest.
@jefmoesy, as the email guy said, they do have patented front-led that would light it up.. I'm sure its a minor cost the the overall system and could be implemented.
Did you miss the entire "why it exists" section at 8:16
10:24 ain't no way he said that
But he did. Lol
I laughed so hard when he said it cause its true! Florida is next level stupid
@@kieraisverybored speak for yourself, 🤡🤡
@@Ferno209 Probably don't want books on leftist illusions about gender, directed towards kids. But still shouldn't be banned from public libraries, if that's the case.
I almost spat my coffee in laughter
Imagine a USB C powered display that lets you work with your laptop connected to it. That way you're prepared to edit an outside project.
Playing a Horror game with a flashlight headband would be hilarious
That's actually such a great idea
Damn!!! that would be sick!
It would have been great to show an old game boy game emulated on it XD
Well sigh .....
That'd 100% end worse.
As much as I remember being annoyed that I did need light to use it, I definitely don't remotely remember it being that dark unless you were sitting next to tree in the shadow while the sun was almost entirely gone.
Glad LTT started reviewing eye care displays, since I always had wanted major reviews of them before buying mine. I use this and some E Ink screens to reduce eye strain, and in conjunction with Miebo, it's done wonders for my headaches. I use a nearby window to fully illuminate my screen. I do wish more of their major monitor reviews mentioned eye care however. It's hard to tell how much flicker and things like that can effect you with a normal monitor until you buy one.
I've compiled a list of all 5 RLCD monitors out there. Great review btw. Love your enthusiasm.
at 6:17 a wild Taran Appeared.... cool to see him around LTT videos even after that tearfull goodbye
It's a clip from an old video
@@AltonV 🤯🤯
Haha, I was looking for comment about Taran.
“Makes greys disappear faster than a book about gender in a Florida library” damn, didn’t expect such hot topics to come out of ltt, still a funny joke
10:19 Linus canceled in 3, 2, 1. Lol
Ltt is great
I would have spit my drink out if I had taken a sip right before then.
What a fantastic joke lmaoo
Based DeSantis
as a sound engineer who does mainly outdoor festivals, I can see this being handy for daytime events.
would be good for lighting too, but I normally am not doing fancy enough lights during daytime to need more monitors than whats built in to an MA
This would make an amazing screen for a drone controller as well as the many other used mentioned in the comments. That's just one that immediately stood out to me
I can see that type of display in say a laptop meant to be used outdoors, like construction areas. But only if it has the option for a back light when used indoors.
Its just weird in a monitor form factor, like you said it makes more sense in a laptop or tablet, ideally a waterproof ruggedised one.
It would be great if they could pair this with a backlight to get the best of both. Imagine a smartphone that could just disable its backlight outside and still get 2000 nits on the screen while also improving battery life but still has the backlight for use when inside. Same for laptops, tablets, and handhelds.
Something similar used in my Amazfit Bip. Problem is that not many colours are displayed. But i can confirm, it works both ways
Or a frontlight like the GBA SP early model. I don't know if the reflective back is compatible with backlighting or it probably would've been done in the later GBA models
The power of the sun IN THE PALM OF MY HANDS!
He can have a small dimmable projector at the right angle to have maximum control over this monitor... but i am a vampire so i never stay in the light...
"in the palm of my hand" I understood that reference, both the wan show, and Doc Ock
Ladies and gentlemen, fasten your seatbelts
I've covered this monitor a lot. I think you're right, it's just for text really.
I must say, this is an excellent video, the testing is simply brilliant. GJ LTT.
Wow, nice to see you here too!
Would be interested to see something like this combined with some kind of edge lighting for outdoor use. Feels like that could keep it usable in a lot of scenarios
Now the light bar everyone putting on top of their screens makes so much more sense actually!
this would be perfect for outside shows in audio visual for computer system that are needed to control lighing and or audio where a reguler lcd would fail
want one!
very difficult to read displays in the greenhouses without shade boxes. This would make that way more flexible.
Absolutely!
I've never heard of people thinking blue light causes eye damage. People avoid high amounts of blue light because it messes with their sleep cycle
Yeah it kinda showed up when the 'blue light glasses' became popular, pretty much just to sell more of them as far as I can tell.
@@Lizlodude it's just weird to even address such a nonsense claim when there's a legitimate one that's been around much longer. But I guess it's good to publicly debunk hogwash
"The customer is always right in regards to taste " is the proper qoute
If we're gonna get picky it's "right in matters of taste", and this would be a matter of taste where they want u to leave out expensive additional features and they still get charged the same
"the lack of contrast can make distinct shades of gray disappear faster than a book about gender in a florida library" holy SHIT linus
epic joke
I heard this quote and omg
HES SO REAL FOR THAT
As a florida resident I almost spit out my drink when i heard that lmao
I love it
There is a tablet made with the same type of reflective LCD tech, but the cool thing is that along with the reflective LCD layer, it also has a layer of LEDs on top facing the panel so that it can be used indoors.
Which is wierd to me because transflective LCDs exist, or existed not sure, which are both reflective and have a backlight.
@@TheAkashicTraveller its probably not as good as a pure reflective layer. It will make more sense to put light on it from the front
I like that someone finally brought this tech back.
I'd even go as far to hope they are used in newer tablets, phones, and watches eventually too.
But since 'new development/adopter tax' for these screens are still a bit high, one can only hope something like big companies in the sports or food industry make some partnerships or at least some large orders.
Hey Linus!!!
Those Light bars that point at the screen don't look silly now eh?
Finally rlcd got a mention, the main advantage for these panels is the reduced eye strain. Is amazing for long hours of text based work like as a dev this is really good
I agree. I work in Cyber Security and use this monitor to help with my eye strain.
100% agree
A normal LCD with a flicker-free low brightness setting is bout 10% of the price, but power to ya
I have this monitor for 2 years and helped me a lot with eyestrain, well not this RE but previous version that has same panel
If it were able to reflect as much as even gray paper it would be great, but right now normal LCD with dialed in brightness would be a lot better.
I had honestly forgotten about reflective screens, but this was super cool. I would 100% buy a portable monitor that used this technology.
I remember seeing this technology showcased back in 2017. Glad to see it finally come up again, hopefully its here to stay!
My Garmin Forerunner 955 has this kind of display. It's the ideal type of panel for the use case. I absolutely love it.
Finally, a monitor that you need a desk lamp for.
Of course this probably would have a lot of great utility for semi-outdoor POS systems like at theme parks, or other theme park type information displays (As long as they have a light strip above them for overcast weather and nightime operation). Otherwise I could see people using this for outdoor patio use, for football games or what have you. But short of integration into a weather housing, it would be "Lug outside for parties" kind of use.
A neat niche for sure. Their digital signage products make a lot more sense especially in the kinds of conditions you now typically see backlit digital signage. I wonder how their power performance compares to the rising competing technology of E-ink displays, considering they have a similar low power profile, but good sunlight performance. The backlight feature of the E-inks in some ways allows for better versatility. Unless they offer a sun-LCD with a supplemental lighting feature.
I had the same idea, but my first thought example was toll-booths, since they usually 3-4 glass sides, so ALL the daylight gets in there.
@@uberfuzzy I think the age of toll plaza’s is coming to an end. Most places are ditching them for computer vision toll enforcement, and RFID tag billing like EZ-pass. Otherwise thats not a bad idea. I’m sure they’d find a niche for any outdoor booth, as long as a windshield’s polarisation doesn’t affect the visibility of the display. I know some linear and circular polarisers like camera lenses and sunglasses might cause a perceptible dimming.
Imagine this on like a Toughbook with a front light. For a system they expect your using in a literal field, it would be amazing.
I would love to see this in a hybrid system on a laptop. Have a regular backlight for when you are in a dark room but have this technology for if you are in a sunny cafe.
This seems like it be a really cool portable monitor technology. Being able to get some work done outdoors without having to find shade for your laptop, and if it gets cloudy, you can just use your laptops display
It's certainly nice to have as a backup for any kind of outdoor activity. Just mirror your content to this and a normal monitor to use whichever fits the current environment best.
I think this monitor would be great for cruises, airport displays, and restaurants(with windows). Any indoor public area would be really good for this thing.
As a person that works in the optical industry, opticians are now being taught that it takes 16 hours of screen time to equal the same blue light exposure as 30 seconds outside on an overcast day.
The blue light exposure thing was a marketing ploy to get people to buy “blue light filtering” eyewear. Eye strain on screens is more because of the distance, not the light.
I love the conversation about light and contrast ratio. Remind me of the Technology Connections video on the color brown, which is just orange with context.
usecase can be to adopt this tech into the "normal" lcd/led displays, so you have best of both worls.
Sensor to detect ambient light levels to make an ultra low energy display for like worklaptop.
Has already been done 'transflective displays' have been fitted in as far as I know ever Panasonic Toughbook for decades, and my old models are really great at remaining very readable in the daylight but still working in the dark. The technology does still have limitations on pixel density etc but you can get a perfectly acceptable screen out of it.
Woot, the same company in this video now has what you're looking for.
There is a defunct panel tech called PIXEL QI. It was used on the OLPC XO-1 and I had one on the Notion Ink Adam. Like this it was a reflective Colour LCD but it had a front light. In sunlight reflective mode only Gray Scale was visible even though it was a colour panel. Indoor mode with front light it was a decent quality colour LCD just mildly washed out low contrast. I think that was the best compromise as it was very general purpose applicable.
I miss that company too! I remember getting excited for the Adam because it means I can have tablet functionality everywhere, hiking, park, beach, anywhere. T-LCD and R-LCD are the best compromise between E-InK and LCD. Clover used their displays for outdoor laptops too. Eazeye could be in the right direction. They’re also using T-LCD.
The low-power LCD tech of the e-paper pebble watches are also good. It’s also a great direction for tablets. No ghosting, excellent battery life, outdoor friendly, proven tech for 40+ years.
I used to have an Amazfit Bip watch that used a reflective screen like that, but also had a backlight when needed. looked amazing in the sun as an AOD
... gotta love that you used an Austin Clip for that color Accuracy clip...
What's the relevance there? Is there a joke or a reference?
@@Sydney_2011 no, If anything just a nod to a fellow CZcamsr. They could have easily used one of their own clips.
Finally, a perfect monitor to use with Andy’s monitor light bar.
i could see it being useful in my bedroom when is 2 in the morning & i would like a very dim light... but for that price I'm sure i can find a better indoor monitor that can get as dim
but yeah this is clearly for OutDoor usage, maybe get Framework to add a Sunview Screen module as an option
Pretty neat.
I can see this in dual-function monitors. Where it is a reflective display if the backlight is off so you can use a single monitor in light or dark situations.
live audio is great example! For the lack of constant light issue, just get a small USB led light facing the screen from above or below towards the screen. problem solved.
Finally, a reason to go outside and touch grass with my sun powered display
In the first clip showing how it goes dark when it has no sun I immediately thought "Ohhhh... so it's a GameBoy" and was pleased to see the comparison seconds later
Very useful for working in the field. Be it a testing ground for robotics, autonomous systems and unmanned vehicles to events and what not. Sure not for indoors but thats not the targetted use. Trying compare it for indoors is like saying how useless is a bright flashlight in a well lit room.
10:25 is CRAZYYYYYY
Crazy political trash*
Crazy is getting high on drugs and trying to eat people.
This is just a sad attempt of forcing a weak political joke in
i loled so hard
@@ARandomInternetUser08 AKA a joke
I don’t think it’s political to say a joke about a thing that happens.
Even worse than it reflecting more blue light back at you, it reflects back UV as well which you can see on the graph. And UV is known to damage your eyes.
the amount of UV it reflects would probably not be much more than any other material, remember that this is less bright than a piece of paper in the sun. Many things will reflect UV into your eyes, unless their specific material properties absorb UV.
@@heckoff7904 yeah I know, but if the talking point is reducing blue light, well now you gave it something well know to be bad for you. UV actually degrades your eyes while at best blue light "might" strain them.
@@Skylancer727 If you don't want your eyes to get a ton of UV you shouldn't be outside in the first place.
8:55 - not quite, the full quote is "The customer is always right, in matters of taste,"
Not sure about adding a front light, but making it trans-reflective would make sense. Which was a technology that was used in early mobile phones with color screens and in a handful of laptops like the Toshiba Portege R500. The LCD had a backlight, but was also readable in direct sunlight with the backlight turned off.
Perhaps as this technology advances even further, and if they can lower the price, these monitors could be useful in a well-lit office environment. It would certainly help to cut the cost of electricity, and ?possibly? reduce the need to replace faulty displays. I dunno, a lot of speculation at this point I suppose. At least they seem to have a good use case for outdoor signage, as you mentioned.
This on a phone would be a banger. Always readable awesome battery life and doesn’t burn your eyes out at night.
You're correct if only for the fact that you wouldn't see anything at all at night. There is no light whatsoever, whatever ambient lighting bounces off the walls of your room during the day would not be there at night.
Yeah for sure man, it's pretty useable at night right after you turn on a really bright table lamp and point it directly at the phone. A lot easier to just use a regular phone with night mode and brightness turned down.
This, as an optional feature! Backlight turned on for the moments others commented.
If this thing is in the backscreen of (for example) Samsung Fold would be golden, you could actually use a phone outside to watch a movie
@@khazareek cant you build in like an smal backlight or like what the i ink display made. Also maybe then people would stop looking at their stupid phone all night
This would be amazing for an outdoor video shoot. Sun everywhere, plus if it's just 6W you could theoretically power it off a little USB battery bank.
Hey Linus and team, curious what was the lux/lumen output of the bright light you were shining on it the display in the second half of the video?
I suffer from seasonal affective disorder and my strategy to mitigate it has been to either go to Florida for the summer or buy $400 in light bulbs and light up my home office much brighter than the usual 300 lux you’d get in an office.
I hit around 7,000 lux in my home office. I think this would be more usable than my current monitors that are a bit difficult to read.
10:20 Ohhhh nooo, you didn't Linus...
they're laughing in Canadian probably :p
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Respect just went up x1000000👍😂
@@itr00ow93 they and the rest of the world are laughing at not being american.
Good thing there is only smart people in the tech community.. oh wait
Hmm.. What we need is mini-LED backlights where the LEDs are surrounded by mirrors. Would lose some filling factor by 2 or 3 but would still be f***ing bright in the 🌞! Even better would be micro-LED with a mirror-like layer directly deposited around the LED within the fab. A quick search shows people have already had success with deposition of highly reflective layers on silicon.
I used to do some UAV flights and had to do some tweaking to the controllers and computer vision in the middle of nowhere with direct sunlight hitting the monitors. It was really hard to program under those conditions. I we had one of these (with a frontlight for cloudy conditions) it would have helped quite a lot. Most of the time we were running on portable batteries so having a monitor that is this energy efficient would have been a another plus.
Working with audio, lighting and cctv on stages this totally makes sense for day time productions and live concerts... Our cctv monitor alone will get thrown out for this, I mean 32inch, that's 16 channels which covers the whole rigging and stage area easily. Nice.
The full saying is "The customer is always right, in matters of taste"
*Beardless Linus hits differently*
he looks younger this way, like back in his ncix days
where did he hit you tho? on the aaah?
I cant tell if a video is new or just an old one I've never seen now😂
He looked like a hobo with the beard
That's what his children say. (Jk)
I remember back in the days of netbooks being excited about displays by Pixel Qi. I really wanted to add one to my netbook to extend its battery life even further! This seems similar but Pixel Qi had a back light if you wanted it or you could turn the backlight off. A netbook with one of the brand new solid state drives and one of these screens was the ultimate portable computer!
I could see this being useful on film sets for directors - and especially other crew - when filming outdoors. Gone are the days of crowding in a dark room away from set! Now all this monitor needs is an SDI input.
You should have tried that EInk display in direct sunlight.
Linus perpetually struggles to imagine the use-cases for products he wouldn't directly benefit from. There's obvious use here for outdoor gatherings where you set up a place for folks (especially kids) to watch movies or play games. You likely wouldn't care about image quality, you'd just need to SEE the screen.
Just watch the whole video maybe?
He did stated the use of it, it’s just that it’s matter common knowledge his channel is focused more on PC Game tech than the various niche’ PC tech market.
I feel like for those, you'd want a bigger screen than this though, more like TV sized.
1:58 I was getting worried, it's been a long time since the last mention of Liquid Crystal Display displays
I am super happy to know this exists. For 15 years I have been thinking that a display that performs well in direct sunlight would be great. Yes it certainly needs a few more years and iterations but it is really the first product that seems usable at all in this regard (except huge LED walls).
6:08 "Since your eyes and your brain have GOD TIER auto white balance!" Then the perfect follow up example of shades of red (where your brain fills in white balance to the point of seeing blue tones in the water and sky! Dang, never thought about it before. Well exemplified team!
1:24 There is me thinking this thing was gonna be powered by Nuclear Fusion
I mean its backlight is powered by a self-sustaining nuclear fusion reaction. The reaction is just a little further away than usual.
I'm thinking. Would a screen like this + a NUC, hooked up to a portable battery station, be more or less efficient for working in the middle of California desert, than just a normal laptop? Would the power consumption be better than just a typical run-of-the-mill laptop, for stuff like doing calculations and processing data? I guess you'd be able to stretch that battery budget a lot longer
I could see this being extremely helpful in the screen I installed in my CRX since it's got a large back hatch window so often the sun is pouring through when it's behind me making the screen (and thus my GPS/radio controls) almost completely unreadable, and the old school aftermarket radio screen in the car is 100% un-readable at almost any level of sunlight. If you could add a light to make this usable at night also it would be fantastic for any screen that needs used in vehicles, maybe phones, and smart watches but I can't see the use case for it in a computer monitor outside of niche applications like music festivals or other events, maybe some work type situations like on site computer for construction, etc. but Jesus that price.
edit: Just thought of this, would be an option for watching tv on a camping trip? low power consumption and working in sunlight could be useful there.
edit 2: Could be useful for a bedroom tv that you don't want making light but you want it on to sleep to? Could be stretch there, I have a really old 50" 2006 TV (got it for $15) that used a lamp in the back for my bedroom TV. 720p sucks and you can't use it all if the lights are on in the room BUT it's capable of being dimmer than a modern TV which makes it my ideal TV for when I'm in bed with the lights off.
The full quote is, "The customer is always right *in matters of taste* "
I love hearing previews for new vidoes on the WAN show. Luke's confusion was extremely funny
As others have mentioned, this is also great for general computing in outdoor events. Cheaper for powering it, better visibility when outside, and for general use stuff, no need for high performance, just like offices that use those cheap USB based display extenders. No need for fast response times or perfect 3d rendering, just showing text, or basic multi-monitor work with documents/spreadsheets.
I've been getting interested in reflective displays for a short while now and will probably switch to an e-ink phone in the near future.
This as in bright sunlight emissive displays are hard to use, especially with a dark theme.
And at night the display often doesn't go dark enough to be comfortable to look at, even with an added software filter that destroys contrast even further.
The reduced power usage will also be significant in a portable device, especially beneficial for navigation as there the backlight is the most significant drain.
I've seen reflective LCD displays in Casio's MIP watches, which have much better contrast thanks to lacking colour filters.
10ms is perfectly fine for 60Hz
No it isn't, even at 60hz 10ms means visible smearing. You don't want high response times no matter the refresh rate
@@kendokaaa obviously you are not gonna play competitively with a 60HZ display, for most games especially singleplayer ones 10ms 60hz is fine
@@Lemoncit0 But it's not "fine", it's just usable
@@kendokaaa Whether it's fine depends on the use case.
Andy's monitor light is finally justified
if they can increase the reflection %, I could see this being excellent on work focused laptops or a chrome book where power isn't practically limitless and color doesn't mater. I could also see this being nice for like car or bike infotainment systems if the display is placed right.
The militaries are using it at least. No soldier wants to squint and cover their hands over their devices just to read what’s going on. - -
My father had a surf and sailing school on the beach ,and it was a nightmare to read the calander or all the prenotation on a normal pc display. Pretty uncommon but i think he would love this
Me using this to hide my computer at night