Nvidia Acting Scummy Again
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- čas přidán 15. 06. 2024
- Nvidia reportedly pressuring board partners not to work with Intel.
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Nvidia is basically Intel from 10 years ago when they had contracts that didnt allow pc builders like Dell to use anything else than their own Cpus
Intel still do those things, i think they recently got another fine which again they are contesting and going to drag out for another 10 years.
Do you think Nvidia pays video editor companies to make amd cards fail on video editing? Maybe.
@@dgillies5420No, but they -pay- "partner with" Blender, Adobe and others to optimize their code for Nvidia hardware. Not saying that's a bad thing, just that it's a thing.
wouldn't this fall under anti-trust or anti-competition laws?
Maybe but when you have bribery sorry lobbying laws are catered to the rich capitalists.
Technically but are governments too corrupt
yeah but they'd get fined like 0.1% of their net worth so they dont care
Yeah if the US used those anymore
same as another large componys they will fined but the fine is nothing to there bottom line
Imagine EVGA leaving the GPU market because of being bullied by the chip manufacturer, just to re-enter the GPU space building cards with chips made by an even bigger bully.
How is Intel a bully? Most of their stuff is open source and also EVGA already works with Intel making Motherboards.
@@thetheoryguy5544 Id recommend you look into their history. LTT has a lot of great videos on it.
@@thetheoryguy5544back when intel were dominant in cpu market, they pushed prebuilt makers like dell, hp etc to only use their cpu's over others like AMD and Cyrix etc
Well, company. If it dominant it'll do anything to keep the crown
Kinda doubt that now that they are winding down with it being rumored that they are shutting down their motherboard division and the power supplys they just released only come with a three year warranty so this kind of hits that its the end of the road for them the founder/Ceo doesnt want to see everything he built be ripped to shreads by really any other company that would buy them out and modern day corporate doesn't care about the quality of products and doing 10 year warranty's and just overall not cheeping out in general to save a quick buck It is truly the saddest demise for a company as big as EVGA buy it makes sense for the ceo to follow in this route.
Not buying another Nvidia card or I would be the problem
Yeah its just absurd at this point, we've got to vote with our wallets or this bs will never change
@@dirg3music No, this is the kind of thing that consumer protection and market regulators are for, holding consumers responsible for this behavior is pathetic and fundamentally wrong.
@@archon9383Shills encouraging them to release more overpriced cards and overpaying isn't going to help either.
@@archon9383 Nobody is saying the consumer is accountable for Nvidia's scummy behavior, saying so would be absurd. But we always rip Nvidia a new one when they pull shit like this yet we still buy their products like nothing is wrong. Voting with your wallet is the easiest way to push for change.
@@halomika4973 You don't matter as a consumer, your voice doesn't either. The only thing that will force companies of this size to change their behaviors and methods is effective government regulation breaking up monopolies and coming down harshly on predatory tactics like these.
If someone like Linus - who has repeatedly stated that Nvidia doesn't give a shit what he thinks or says, doesn't have any impact on Nvidia - what on _earth_ would make you think your personal boycott would? All that you're doing is assuaging your own conscience, which is fine, but irrelevant.
honestly nvidia needs to be knocked down about 3 pegs, what their doing in the pc-company world is like nintendo or apple, where they are overcontrol and under deliver
Nintendo is no way the same as Nvidia. Nintendo is controlling but they still make good products. Nvidia fails at even that with their 40 series.
@@Zxanonblade Nintendos latest console is as powerful as a midrange smart phone. It's not even on the same level as other consoles on a hardware level. They have constant quality control issues. Nintendo has software IPs, and that's why people overlook it. I say this as someone who only owns one modern gen console, a switch. But I have it for the games. The hardware is pitiful. Flimsy and underpowered.
they need to be knocked down the entire ladder
They need the Intel treatment lol
@@Zxanonblade Funny that there is NOTHING performance wise even in the same league as the 4090 must less playing on the same field so to call the 40 series a failure is sort of stupid.
They've done this in the past. Why do you think XFX stopped making NVIDIA GPUs... and I can't be surprised that they're dealing in the same anti-competetive behavior again.
That's hilarious considering Intel did that to AMD back in the day
Agree
Exactly it’s what Intel has been doing for 30 years. I remember working for a business and telling Dell we wanted AMD cpu laptops and Dell the rep would only push or sell us Intel
If Intel can find its way in the GPU space, welcome the competition to hopefully keep prices low in GPUs after so many years of obscenely inflated prices. Intel would have to also make commerical grade GPUs to compete with Nvidia and others for AI, HPC, and other markets that can utilize GPUs. It is a shame that Nvidia did have such tight control over pricing as to make Evga walk away from the GPU market. I loved their products and their warranties. Maybe Evga can partner with Intel or AMD
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I remember people saying the same thing about AMD entering the market competitively 5 years ago to reduce prices as people are saying about Intel now. It won't happen, no one wants to inferior experience and bad drivers. Nvidia already have a stranglehold that won't break unless they themselves fail.
@@kizmetmars I don't understand the questionable drivers. Nvidia has been around a long time. So has AMD, remember AMD purchased ATI graphics and merged the company into AMD. They have both been around awhile. A few decades ago, Intel did make standalone graphics cards but left the market and now they have returned. Granted there are new technologies but all 3 companies know how to make drivers
@@kizmetmars found the Nvidia shill whose argument is the old and expired complaint about drivers.
@@dougalachi Haha I knew there'd be someone who'd say "shill." Such a cliche for the last 8ish years.
Tell me dougalachi, how well did AMD do in reducing the prices? Where is ThreadRipper? Why is Intel going to succeed where AMD failed?
I got an AMD card for the first time earlier this year. I used to be an NVIDIA fan, but they have been resting on their laurels making products that are not competitive since the 3000 series.
Same. Had to replace my gpu earlier this year and went with an AMD card for the first time in...a long time. Tired of Nvidia's bs.
Have they really? Nvidia has done this for years and it's nothing new. The 4000 series is a big jump from the 3000 series TBH, at least on their high end cards. The only thing that has really changed is their pricing.
Lets look back at the 9800GTX vs the 8800 GTX and see how much performance was gained there and how long the 8800GTX stood for. Let's look at the 1080TI and how long that stood for.
They have very typically stagnated for 1-2 generations throughout the years. Either you are not a long term Nvidia user, talking out your ass, or have only bought their low/medium end cards ever.
I can't see myself upgrading from the 3080 for a long time. It really was the last big breakthrough.
@@JathraDH The 40 series isn't a big jump at all. Only the 4090 is a big jump everything below it is either not much faster or pretty much the same performance of last gen cards.
@@WyattOShea The 4080 is 25-35% faster than the 3090Ti and uses 1/2 to 1/3 the power, and much better at RT. So I wouldn't call that that that small of a jump TBH. Please try again.
Thing is, even if Nvidia were to get a fine for anticompetitive behavior, assuming it got to that point it'd just be a weedy little fines that they wouldn't even care about.
Clearly Linus hasn't seen GN's videos on EVGA. EVGA is ramping down to closure. The primary factor has to do with the Owner/CEO undergoing some "personal issues" that are leading to his desire to exit the business. He has decided that he does not wish to sell EVGA or any of it's assets. EVGA will likely no longer exist, as a product manufacturer, by 2025 at the earliest. However, it will remain operational for some time afterwards to provide warranty and technical support for existing products. It is believed that the company's recent round of new Power Supply products will likely be it's final round of new products. This belief comes from the fact that the new products are shipping with a 3 Year warranty instead of the company's typical 5 Year Warranty for new Power Supplies.
Steve's most recent video on EVGA does a great job at getting you up to speed on the future, or lack there of, of EVGA.
Nvidia isn’t treating their aib partners well enough to tell them what to do like this
I would say that Linus' observation is true of Chinese and Taiwanese companies. It's less true of Japanese and Korean companies. They're huge on control and are very protective of every aspect of their businesses. The difference between them and American companies is that they play the long game. American companies are a lot more reactive and prone to making decisions that are detrimental to their core business.
That is one of the big points everyone keeps ignoring, that gaming GPU's are not the core or the focus of Nvidia moving into the future and is nothing more than a fill segment to make a few bucks on at this point.
I still think sometime in the near future that Nvidia will drop out of the mid and low tier gpu market totally and make only a 90,80 and 70 tier card and nothing lower.
Profit margins are too low to worry about the bottom end if the discreet gpu is no longer a big portion of your core business plans.
I think that’s specially true for American companies who are driven by the next quarter numbers for shareholders. On the Europe continent that’s somewhat better and especially French and German companies plan 10-15 years ahead.
I still not completely get the Chinese and Taiwanese companies, they try to be in it for the long run, but when you just push and push and push your product out you devalue your brand and products. And do not forget the e-waste.
Japanese and Korean are indeed more conglomerate thinkers and are planning for the long run.
@@billwiley7216 I wouldn't think that's likely to happen, isn't the lower tier cards pretty much just a dumping ground for the B grade silicon that you inevitably get out of every batch?
@@Frag-ile Yes, as far as I know, they are. Unless Nvidia somehow manages to only produce high quality chips, they'll always have lower tier batches to sell us. That is, if selling them to us is more profitable compared to doing something else with those chips.
@@billwiley7216Man. You hit the nail on the head. I completely see Nvidia simply moving out of the gaming market entirely in the future. At this point, compared to AI, gaming doesn't give them the margins. And margins is what investors want.
Taking this to the extreme, and looking at what AMD is doing, it could be said that PC gaming will be dead long term. Midrange is already done for it seems. Heck even intel got into GPU market due to AI demand. And they seem to be slowly leaving if recent rumours are anything to go by.
So, I imo console gaming will be the future. Specifically, handhelds. Not your over the top powerful gaming PC.
Ohh geeez.. Intel is having done to them what they did 23 ish years ago to motherboard manufacturers and their BX chipset, and making AMD K7 motherboards. Must suck to have your game played on you!
Is it ???
I know not all board partners can do this, but I think a chunk of them can give Nvidia the middle finger and support intel. A few of them already provide AMD cards and most of their profit margins under Nvidia have been diminishing anyways, so some might just part ways with team green, hopefully for the better.
That would require AMD cards actually being good and selling. There's literally 0 incentive for them to do that other then some weird moral thing (ask EVGA and their employees how that's going for them).
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I wish each and every one of them did. What is Nvidia gonna do, stop selling gaming GPUs? I mean, they probably could, but it would definitely be a bad move for them, so they won't.
I'm not going to buy an Intel GPU lol. Maybe AMD. But definitely not intel lol.
AMD makes great GPUs. People are just too ignorant to give it a shot
When aren’t they doing something shady? They should be hit with a fine worth a couple of billions. Every shady company should be fined heavily until they act right.
I'm not going to treat Intel as though it's some hungry upstart, but we need _someone_ to challenge nVidia with the kind of competition that AMD seems unwilling to provide.
WE need a 3rd and even fourth competitor. Hopefully, MooreThreads has a viable GPU soon as well.
@@phoenixrising4995i doubt it
If I were one of those board partners, and I got this letter from nVidia, I would get a signature from every other board partner I could find agreeing that if nVidia follows through, that they will terminate or severely reduce their level of partnership with nVidia.
Remember that Intel can't play loose with the numbers on ARC because it is fabbed on TSMC N6, not an Intel process. So it is far more likely that Intel is either taking close to zero margin on the cards or straight up losing money to try and gain market share. Hopefully it'll all work out for Intel in the future.
nvidia : make board partner not to make battlemage
nvidia : make board partner to use different branding for non nvidia card
intel and amd : let's just make our cpu not work with nvidia gpu
nvidia : suprise pikachu face
…yeah that's never going to happen, the only way to do that would be adding specific incompatibilities with PCI (either hardware or software) which could easily be sorted out and which would translate into a very clear antitrust case. Would also not be very helpful to people, who'd think their boards are broken or something.
@@xerzy it will also make Nvidia make their own CPU's, they already are but not for gaming.
I hope Arc keeps going. I'll be in the market for a new card most likely in battlemage, and I'll absolutely buy one just to help keep the market competitor going.
Was looking into buying a card, but at those prices I couldn’t pull the trigger
weirdest thing about nvidia pressuring board partners not to work with intel is their lack of leverage here. What are their going to do when someone like MSI starts making battlemage cards? Ban them from making nvidia cards? limiting the amount of chips they receive? They basically don't make any money on nvidia cards anyways
Well they make AMD cards
@@horuslupercal3872 it's even more of a reason to just dump nvidia
Well Geforce Partner Programe happend, but as usual nVidia just waits for it to blow over and business as usual.
Have to say I got an arc a770 16gb to replace my 1660 super and I love it. There's been a few more crashes then if like but I'm old enough to remember when this was a normal thing when gaming so it doesn't frustrate me too much.
Just checked EVGA's website.
All graphics cards except for some left over scratch and dent models that cant be sent out as normal retail are out of stock.
(They have a couple 2060s, 2070s, 2080s, 3070s, and a 3080. All B-Stock / open box / referb / with no accessories. Also still at mostly retail prices.)
All power supplies are out of stock but they still have some cables and a tester.
All motherboards are out of stock.
All keyboards are out of stock, but you can get an arm rest for the z20/z12.
All mice are out of stock.
All AIOs are out of stock.
The E1 Frame, Xr1 pro and lite are out of stock.
But yes you can still buy their lanyard and mousepad.
Moved on from Nvidia, got a 6800xt one of the best decisions ever. I purely game and rarely ever use creation software. For gaming the 6800xt is honestly unbelievably good.
We really need some more competition in the GPU Market thats the only thing that would help in the longterm
EVGA will make bank if they start making AMD graphics cards.
It’s true. I never cared much for for AMD GPUs but I’d buy because I wholly support EVGA. Their unreleased 4090 was a beauty.
Not going to happen unfortunately
I've said since their fallout with Nvidia. They should either have partnered with AMD or Intel. Unfortunately, I don't think we will get to see any of this.
Apparently the CEO of the company said he would rather just liquidate the company instead of going through all the troubles again like they did with Nvidia
AMD is doing sh!t right now with their radeon graphics. They're blocking DLSS and XeSS from their sponsorships.
I wish they'd control the experience of their control panel not to look like windows XP anymore
Why "again" ? as if they ever stopped to act scummy
5:55 "Intel runs their own fabs" so they can "play loose with the numbers"? Linus forget they are buying these Arc chips from TSMC?
Irony is this is what Intel did to AMD CPUs between 1990-2010, now Intel are getting it from Nvidia. But like Intel if proven could bite Nvidia in the bank balance.
I feel Nvidia have got too big they don't treat board partners & loyal customers right. Jensen needs a reality check.
Intel has a habit of building and killing markets as they want big profits, at one time it was sufficient to make a profit to bolster bank balance, pay for R&D, new products, advertise or purchase business.
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What drives me nuts is those NVidia/Intel hybrid GPUs. Finding/downloading the drivers takes far more effort than I'm willing to muster.
What even are those?
I think he is talking about lapotp with dual gpu cpu integrated one (intel/amd) and discret gpu (nvidia/amd)
@@bac302 but those ain't hybrid by any means and is extremely easy to get drivers for
Lovely. I saw this pop up right after rewatching coverage of the Hardware Unboxed scandal. Thanks for making me continually ashamed for having your products despite my most recent nvidia purchase being from the 900 series.
I have a 1000 watt BFG psu on my shelf from 2010
nvidia being scummy, must be a day ending in Y
Haha, but every day ends in 'y'!
Ohhh wait...I get it.
/s
The fundamental problem here is a mismatch in incentives between the manufacturers and customers.
Monopoly control comes with genuine benefits. The question is how to maintain those benefits while mitigating the harms.
This generation is the first time I've not had an Nvidia card in my system.
Went with a 7900xtx
oh I completely agree, the only thing I think Nvidia has left for an advantaged is how well developed their AI rendering software has gotten. I'm a heavy player of cyberpunk and Nvidia latest DLSS just me everything I want with performance for overdrive. AMD I feel just isn''t there yet is is always lagging just a peg behind them. Though I do agree Nvidia needs to be taken down
I would be going AMD aswell if not for the price of the XTX being only about 100euro less than the 4080 where I live. Prob gonna wait another couple months and hope it improves a little.
@@0618306 that's just rough
Again would implied they ever stopped
What do you mean by again? When did nVidia last behaved well?
Is anyone surprised?
Id like to take the copium and think this means they feel in any way threatened by battlemage potential because they have info or something, but yeah lets see... ofc if they are preparing to make RTX 5000 yet another stagnation for stupid prices anything can beat that.
Wow, you know Pro Hi-Tech. Great to know that Sergey and Ilya are being recognized!
As far as i can tell arc alchemist is still manufactured by tsmc like the rest of the market (spare rtx 3000). This does however mean that there's likely to be possible to push prices further down when intel fabs make it themself.
Just going to say it. Intel should partner with EVGA to make and design Intel GPUs. Imagine Kingpin and the EVGA team providing their expertise in GPU designs, working with Intel engineers to create a better product that integrates better with Intel CPUs. It'll be like the vertical integration AMD has.
Pretty sure Intel(CPUs) or Microsoft have literally done this in the past and had massive legal problems in doing something like this.
i just want want choices in the gpu market, I went AMD this last gen and dont regret it but i wish there was more mid-high end options.
Thanks to Nvidia though we lost EVGA one of the best card makers out there. Thing is Battlemage could be a great product and since Intel seem to be pricing the Arc at a decent price. And this is what Nvidia is worried about Intel taken more profit away with AMD
Also it is easier to crush 2 weaker competitors than it is to crush a single stronger competitor. Divide and conqueror.
Intel and amd REALLY need something to compete with CUDA. I bought an nvidia GPU for the first time in 15 years because my work requires CUDA. I run all linux systems, and the nvidia drivers are HORRIBLE for everything except cuda - after numerous crashes, I bought an up-to-date AMD card to use for my displays, and relegated the nvidia card to CUDA only.
AMD has HIP, Intel has oneAPI. HIP in particular (which is trivial to port CUDA code over) is getting some solid footing, being at e.g. Tensorflow or Blender. There's also Vulkan Compute, which SHOULD be the standard… but for some reason isn't.
operating on zero margin sounds like it should be federally illegal.
this is just like how walmart buys is massive bulk, then sets prices lower than mom n pop shops, until the tiny shops close up, then walmart raises prices once competition is gone.
if we let this continue, it will lead to more consolidation.
maybe you can 'fight the anti-competitive market dominator' by showcasing non-first place competitors more often or something? im not sure how to do it fairly and promote competition.
no other thing i plug into a pc needs a separate driver interface thing like nvidia does. why can't i plug it in and it just works like every other piece of hardware? this is the framework that continues to poison their brand in my eyes
nvidia is afraid of intel but not amd. this mean nvidia knows amd can't ever beat them but intel can.
Will EVGA still honor warranty guarantees for their GPUs?
I do not understand why they think they can do this without getting slapped with anti-trust lawsuits.
Because they have gotten away with this kind of BS for years and nobody gave a fk. They make more than enough profits to cover whatever potential fines they might recieve.
Of course.
5:10 I don't understand this hype on Intel mixing up the situation and being one that helps the market when they did the same in the past.
Maintaining control of your product downstream is fundamentally different from pressuring your partners with regard to their behaviour on other products. Keeping legal 'walls' around your own product and maintaining total control within these walls is not an abuse of markets or inherently monopolistic, because it doesn't automatically preclude other walled gardens from competing. The problem comes when access to or privileges within the walled garden are used as a bargaining chips to control behaviours outside of the walls.
Walled gardens are natural and useful economic structures, but they are not a justification for anti competitive behaviours. If anything they form a better defined entity in the market, so it is clearer when behaviours are anti competitive. Each company is explicitly allowed to do almost anything within it's own walled garden, but any action that has impacts outside their walls is almost certainly going to interfere with competition.
In this case the final consumers are not actually in the walled garden, it is the partners. There may be arguments around Nvidia provided teaching and tooling being used for Intel products, which would violate the rules around not removing things from the garden. In that sense it is not as bad as Apple at least (who literally price fix everything for any dev that wants access).
Makes AMD paying for temporary FSR exclusitivity look tame, doesn't it? :)
No it does not. How is that different from Sony or Microsoft launching exclusive console games they developed or distributed for their platforms? AMD fsr is nothing compared to the bs nvidia is doing to the market. It would have been a severe issue if AMD artificially reduced nvidia cards' performance
FSR isn't exclusive, all GPUs can run it
@@doltBmB The point is that there's been outrage that AMD bought timed exclusivity in some games so that they can't have DLSS for a while, only FSR.
@@ogrejd and why would there be, they realized dlss is anticompetitive in itself don't they?
"Still" is the word you wanted, not again
At this point though if evga came back, how much of their old magic will come back? So many employees have left and moved on and with every passing day "getting the band back together" becomes less likely. I would probably buy an evga graphics card if they re-entered, but I would expect it to be more nostalgia than a true top performer.
why is Linus wearing a Renault badge?
Advertising deal?
What's the thing on the table though xd
It's not even again, but still at this point
Again? When did they stop
Can’t they just make sub brands? Make one for aMD and Intel cards and one for npooia
All companies like to control the massaging. Even tour company
Jeezers... if that's how the Asian board partners act, no wonder NVidia considers them almost worthless (something brought up when we found out EVGA was closing it's GPU division).
My next gpu might be an Intel one, if Battle Mage is as power efficient as the last generation I would love to pick one up.
Intel has been doing the same thing and definitely worse than Nvidia in regards to the CPU market for 30 years before AMD finally caught up. Intel is actual the worse anti competition in the semiconductor world. Get an AMD gpu
@@LegolasD I have an AMD gpu, however AMD doesn’t need market share because they are now a top level competitor. All of these companies are garbage and if AMD or Intel were 1trillion dollar corporations it would suck just as much as It does now.
I want 3 competitors, I want every Nvidia board partners to produce AMD and intel boards too. I want Nvidia to compete with the others, not bully consumers and board partners out of supporting intel.
The Second AMD was the king of the CPU world, they started to do horrible things (ex thread ripper) and in response Intel made Iris graphics, a rock solid igpu system (that would pave the way for modern pc handhelds).
@@LegolasD Isn't AMD blocking competitor technologies in their sponsored titles ? Other than the fact that RDNA3 is just as bad as 40 series, wake up AMD fanboy.
I am unfortunately stuck with NVIDIA due to production software / CUDA cores but I can confidently say I will only be buying used GPUs from individual users and never new, so that they won't get any of my money
Not judging you because boycotting almost never works anyway but what do you think the person is gonna do with the money you pay them for the used card? Even if they don't buy a new Nvidia card it allows people to buy expensive cards and use them for however long with a safety net knowing they can get a lot of their money back.
3:12? Yeah? Zero margin, is that why GPUs cost basically almost double (in some cases even almost triple for a moment) what they used to 10 years ago at the highest level(4090)?
He's atalking about board partners. Also look at a 10yo gpu and a current one.
@@muzlee7479 EVGA 780 Ti MSRP 700 US dollars on launch(i don't even live in America but back then this cost around the same in euro), current 4090 lowest price 1600 use dollars on Amazon)1740 euros in my country), more than double the price for literally, what? Better quality of materials? Sure but for how much exactly?
Very little actually, as most board partners have optimized and and minimized the design costs and with as much automation as possible they are making crazy margins, clearly.
Again? Wouldn't that mean that they stopped at sometime
Well, I guess it's a good thing I pulled a Bud Light on nVIDIA then.
well, I was not going to get nvidia as my next card anyway
since the whole linux support thing...
I feel disgusted at this, this is plain bullying at a corporate level.
People complain about starfield not having DLSS whil Nvidia has blocked FSR in metro exodus and a ton of other games.
While I, performance-wise, would probably do best picking an nVidia GPU for my next upgrade (which is a while off, I've bought into a 3090 pre-crypto craze when it to current standards actually was affordable-ish compared to where it was, a month later it was near double), it's this kind of behaviour that makes me, who normally is NOT brand loyal but wants to pick the "right" product, also based on sustainability and such, probably opt AMD next...
Amd is the same, look at what happened when they took over the cpu market
i want to buy an nvidia for AI but this kind of thing just pushes me to wait until intel or amd catches up. i really don't want to give this company any money.
0:25 isnt that against fair market laws?
Market capitalization of NVIDIA (NVDA)
Market cap: $1.124 Trillion
As of July 2023 NVIDIA has a market cap of $1.124 Trillion. This makes NVIDIA the world's 6th most valuable company
You say running at zero is eastern, it's what Walmart and amazon do to crush out competition early on.
If nvidia goes through with it then it just goes to show how unlucky they are when it comes to thinking.
With their terrible deals, eta's, profit margins left for board partners.
How does one logically think that it is a good idea to attempt to bully intel, when they have enough money to pay board partners for better margins.
They can also give better developement timeframes.
With how strong the first generation of arc is, they could potentially be the ones to make a new 1060-1070 in terms of value.
Nvidia should be scared because of the hole they have dug themselves in.
Still*
I took the chance on a 7900xtx and I realized that all this fear mongering around drivers and stability and blah blah blah is bullshit. Its a great card. Like legitimately, unless you need 4090 class power, there is next to nothing that should compell you to buy anything in nvidia's current lineup. Their budget cards are getting shit stomped by THEIR OWN PREVIOUS GEN CARDS. The 4070 and 4070ti are nothing products that offer functionally little over over last gen cards. The 4080 is trading blows with 7900xtx whilst being upwards of $300-500 more than the XTX in my country. I owned a 4070ti too. I had found that the Vram was just being eaten alive at 4k, and the worst part is that the GPU can handle it. It wouldve been a decent card with just 4 more gb of memory. But too little too late. My last 4 builds have all contained an nvidia card and this gen of cards just completely broke my respect for nvidia, and all it took was AMD doing the bare minimum on their gen of cards. I wouldn't even say that AMD did that good of a job, but nvidia has done that much worse. When I can get the 4070ti and 7900xtx for the same price, it doesnt matter what the 4090 can do. Theyre simply pricing themselves outve the market. If runors are true that blackwell is set to be even more expensive, then nvida better be setting records in the uplift. Otherwise, the writing is on the wall.
ASUS and MSI and Gigabyte make Radeon, how do they get away with that?
If Battlemage is on the level of thr rtx 4070 or better, I'll grab one
Meanwhile they have a measley $8B per quarter market.
Glad to head Linus mentioning PRO Hi-Tech channel
So Nvidia is doing what Intel is doing to them? I see no issue.
it makes you think of companies like XFX which used to be exclusively Nvidia before they moved to AMD.
Rando Russian unconfirmed info is worth considering because NVIDIA has done something similar in the past?
Have you seen the official Nvidia GeForce twitter page recently? Whenever they promote something now, the comments on that tweet are all promoted/bot accounts spamming the hashtag for whatever they're launching. It used to be filled with actual comments, most of which criticizing Nvidia for the laughable product.
I don't know where the market will be in 2-3 years time, but if Nvidia keeps this up, I might jump ship to AMD (or even Intel!) just because I won't support that kind of anti consumer behavior.
Isn't Alchemist made by TSMC? Could be misremembering but if they are then Intel doesn't get to play as many games as they would if they used their own fabs.
can we at least split nvida in half, one goes to AI and the other goes to normal people gaming card
This guy puts the geo in geoplicitics - an experiential learner, and clearly a student of the world!
Nvidia's iffy dealings are the main thing which keep my from buying a Nvidia card. I just don't feel like I could morally justify buying a Nvidia card now of days, though the 40 series make this easier. My next card will probably be an Amd or Intel one.
I am ij the market for a new laptop, but i can no longer get anything with any Nvidia parts in good conscience. I will accept having 5% feeer frames and no ray tracing (because who cares about RT that much anyway?) if it means I avoid Nvidia.
If true, then this would be an anti competitive tactic that may be illegal under US anti-trust law.
as an electronic purchasing engineer that i am, i will hate to work with nvidia as AIB manufacturer nowadays. The problem is that Nvidia does not allow AIB partners to innovate, they have access to reference design too late. That is why FE and AIB arevery similar in performance... control leads to no innovation, is worst for Nvidia.. that is why EVGA left i wish they have a competitor that put them in the right place... a branded GPU martet is bad for consumers...saying the more gpus you buy the more you win is an egomaniac speech...
Intel isn't using it's Fabs for the Arc GPUs... They're using TSMC!