Is Nvidia FORGIVEN for Hardware Unboxed Scandal?

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Komentáře • 917

  • @nfijef
    @nfijef Před 3 lety +1218

    "It would be great if you could share this with your fans." says it all.

    • @Kas_Styles
      @Kas_Styles Před 3 lety +68

      It was a great apology up until that part. He should have just left that out.
      They should have also added how that happened and what will happen in the future to fix something like that from ever happening again.

    • @slendydie1267
      @slendydie1267 Před 2 lety +33

      It was gonna get shared anyway. If they were smart about it this part shouldnt have existed in the apology.

    • @sailbatten2056
      @sailbatten2056 Před 2 lety +13

      Doesn't mean anything. You can be totally sincere and still say please tell everybody how sincere I am. Stop over simplifying.

    • @Vagelis1608
      @Vagelis1608 Před 2 lety +2

      Maybe it's "Tell everyone that we're the good guys", maybe it's an ok to him sharing that email.
      Poorly worded, sure, but still, could be either way.

    • @angelaizen2231
      @angelaizen2231 Před 2 lety +7

      @@Vagelis1608 my take on it was more of a "the previous email wasn't my opinion but i can't say that directly" sort of vibe

  • @Lingonberreh
    @Lingonberreh Před 3 lety +1918

    The apology you get from a bully in school. Not sorry because they are genuinely remorseful, they’re only sorry because they got caught.

    • @thealien_ali3382
      @thealien_ali3382 Před 3 lety +16

      Agreed

    • @James-H84
      @James-H84 Před 3 lety +13

      They are not even sorry? This has caused extensive coverage of the fact they have better ray tracing than AMD. They know gamers won't place moral integrity of not supporting bad business practices above having the best FPS. Would not surprise me if even Linus put two 3090s is his personal build. They apologise because it gives people the escuse they need to support what they know was wrong because they did say they were 'sorry'. Even people with a little integrity have short memories. They are probably frustrated that so many tech influencers called them out so bluntly but it still will probably work out as a net gain for them. People that had any real issue with bad business practices probably stopped buying nvidia a while ago.

    • @adamtajhassam9188
      @adamtajhassam9188 Před 3 lety +4

      All thanks to linus + his army. Nvidia is hiding their guilt clearly, so they can shut down the attacks.... Yes agreed : Not Sorry because it was forced & they didn't reach out.

    • @Vanillasundaty
      @Vanillasundaty Před 3 lety

      Agreed

    • @steelkinq3708
      @steelkinq3708 Před 3 lety +4

      @@James-H84 I do not buy in a range where RT madders, like 95% of all GPUs out there and as long as NV and AMD are by a couple percentages on par in fps, cost, power consumption like at the moment? I can live without that grinch.

  • @gondoravalon7540
    @gondoravalon7540 Před 3 lety +810

    "Is Nvidia FORGIVEN for Hardware Unboxed Scandal?"
    Fuck no.

    • @koford
      @koford Před 3 lety +5

      Unboxed Hardware did accept the "sorry" email.. go watch that video.

    • @ThorsShadow
      @ThorsShadow Před 3 lety +22

      @@koford a) The channel is called "Hardware Unboxed", not "Unboxed Hardware". The name is literally in the video title.
      b) I'm fine with Steve forgiving nvidia, but that doesn't mean I, the person you're responding to or anyone else has to forgive nvidia. If I don't want to buy a 3080 anymore, because nvidia have been behaving like massive cunts, I can certainly do so. I don't have to be fine with nvidia.

    • @koford
      @koford Před 3 lety +4

      @@ThorsShadow depens, some doesnt..some does. Thats it.

    • @anonymouspokemon4623
      @anonymouspokemon4623 Před 2 lety +12

      Forgive, but don't forget.

    • @raccoons_finest
      @raccoons_finest Před 2 lety

      🤣

  • @sasquatchcrew
    @sasquatchcrew Před 3 lety +929

    The first email and the apology email are literally two different people, and if they aren't, you got one good scumbag at nvidia.

    • @KiteAndKeyProductions
      @KiteAndKeyProductions Před 3 lety +173

      Totally convinced an executive wrote the first one and forced BDR to sign it.

    • @nicksrandomness2774
      @nicksrandomness2774 Před 3 lety +29

      Yeah the first one was lengthy and wordy, this one was sweet and short. I think it was a way to see if people were loyal to nvidia or if it was a way to see if people give a crap about RTX (1% do)

    • @somethinglikethat2176
      @somethinglikethat2176 Před 3 lety +78

      Am I crazy or does the second email almost sound like it's having a go at the first? "Oh I must be suffering lock down fatigue to write something so stupid.... don't you agree, Carl?"

    • @Shizzmoney74
      @Shizzmoney74 Před 3 lety +26

      @@KiteAndKeyProductions According to Down Under Steve, there was a person on nvidia's ANZ marketing team who didnt like him.

    • @Aereto
      @Aereto Před 3 lety +11

      When do people realize mamy NVIDIA executives ARE scumbags? Their products would have improved significantly by R&D if it weren't for them.

  • @RightOnBud
    @RightOnBud Před 3 lety +454

    Using covid lockdowns as a blanket excuse to act like a pig towards others just made the apology even worse.
    He's not sorry for anything but the received backlash.

    • @nikkiofthevalley
      @nikkiofthevalley Před rokem +12

      I think that was him trying to sneakily say (as he can't say that directly) that he wasn't the one dictating what was being written there. There's no way he was. Not from an emotional or personal standpoint, just a standpoint of that the PR nightmare that was that email would never have even gotten anywhere near a half-decent PR manager. I think the only reason that email got sent is because the higher-ups pushed him to send it.
      You have to remember here that every single thing in an email from a corporation, even if it's credited to a single person, is signed off on by many people, and is not necessarily from the person credited. Don't go after a single person in a company with your burning pitchforks, go after the entire company.

    • @LuLeBe
      @LuLeBe Před rokem +3

      @@nikkiofthevalley Definitely not every single thing in every email, they don't hold daily 3hr meetings to dissect the 350 email they write in each team every day. But, for important communication like this where it is about expressing a decision or opinion by the company, it would be expected to go through more than one person. Although it's definitely not guaranteed, I'm sure there are many cases where way bigger stuff was just handled by a single person by accident or even intentional.

  • @toasty-toast
    @toasty-toast Před 3 lety +507

    Apology was direct, but the philosophy behind this strong arming of publishers is unlikely to change

    • @Gavin-dj3kn
      @Gavin-dj3kn Před 3 lety +1

      Yes, I agree

    • @ConnorHammond
      @ConnorHammond Před 3 lety +12

      @@Gavin-dj3kn So the apology is worth shit. We all know it.

    • @pablor.362
      @pablor.362 Před 3 lety +3

      While they did something very wrong they still backed up thanks to influencers and fans so if you still get treated the same after fixing the problem you did there wouldn't be a reason to not do moves like this or back up.

    • @summushieremiasclarkson4700
      @summushieremiasclarkson4700 Před 3 lety +12

      @@pablor.362 Corporations are not people. They exist for profit, and their responsibilities are to their shareholders.

    • @pablor.362
      @pablor.362 Před 3 lety +4

      @@summushieremiasclarkson4700 yes your right every company is, but if they didn't backed up on what they did it would just be worse, not listening to the complains or critics would make any company impossible to deal with

  • @rexrey1979
    @rexrey1979 Před 3 lety +145

    It feels like he apologized only because it backfired so hard.
    However, I think that BDR is just a scapegoat. I think the orders came from above, and these are the people who should apologize in the first place.

    • @syncmonism
      @syncmonism Před rokem

      At least some of the people above are ultimately at least partially to blame

  • @T1C
    @T1C Před 3 lety +313

    Who would have expected that?????
    Of course they would back out of such a PR nuke.

    • @Marauder1981
      @Marauder1981 Před 3 lety +11

      There is no backing out of a mushroom cloud. They fucked up. For the Xth time.

    • @hamzahaytham3940
      @hamzahaytham3940 Před 3 lety +5

      @@Marauder1981
      The US did several times, literally...

    • @mikajacobsen860
      @mikajacobsen860 Před 3 lety +4

      Then again, nobody would have expected them to fire off that PR nuke in the first place.
      So, I don't know what's obvious or not anymore in the Nvidia PR department.

    • @Aereto
      @Aereto Před 3 lety +1

      @@mikajacobsen860
      Only the higher ups are very bad at business. Inept in leadership.

  • @ChrisTitusTech
    @ChrisTitusTech Před 3 lety +594

    Shocking... Welp, there is always AMD... until, they do something like this lol. There have been multiple examples of CZcamsrs getting blacklisted because of negative reviews or not following the required guidelines. Sadly, I'm sure we will see more of this from more and more companies.

    • @LinuxForEveryone
      @LinuxForEveryone Před 3 lety +19

      Oh boy do I have a story to tell you, then.

    • @static9375
      @static9375 Před 3 lety +5

      @@LinuxForEveryone what story

    • @pr0xZen
      @pr0xZen Před 3 lety +28

      Let's not blame chickens before they hatch. If eg. AMD, or anyone else, does anything like this, they deserve every criticism they get. But let's not go all Minority Report on anyone.

    • @nullvoid3545
      @nullvoid3545 Před 3 lety +1

      grats on 69 likes!

    • @orlock20
      @orlock20 Před 3 lety +1

      Maybe tech reviews should be more positive because the products they review are positive. I got product X. It does this, this and this and I want to see if there are any vast improvements on this.
      There is a lot of "junk" out there, but in the end of the day people are looking for stuff that is good.

  • @word2RG
    @word2RG Před 3 lety +35

    It was an HONEST peek under the hood of how NVDA really thinks of us. How much you value honesty, is up to the individual.

  • @swaggamesph3342
    @swaggamesph3342 Před 3 lety +222

    This is probably suggested by Nvidia's higher ops or founders which their PR team has followed.
    Usually, a PR team only follows what the Head Management wants. Since the PR team are also the ones who can clean-up the mess.
    1 good evidence that this came from Nvidia's higher ops is that BDR still has his job.
    If this decision came from the PR department, BDR should have been long gone after it backfired.
    This kind of email and have many operational decision on it which can only be made by higher ops.
    So definitely this is not BDR's suggestion. It's without a doubt the higher ops or even founders of Nvidia.

    • @jpgdesign
      @jpgdesign Před 3 lety +3

      This makes a lot of sense

    • @trs5127
      @trs5127 Před 3 lety +17

      That's the only thing that makes sense to me. I don't know who BDR is or what kind of person he is. I wanna believe that he's a reasonable guy, because Linus believes so. But even if I didn't, in pretty sure there'd be at least some negative impact on BDR's career and relationship with Nvidia if this was his idea.

    • @MrCh0o
      @MrCh0o Před 2 lety +17

      @@trs5127 My theory is that what he has been told to do with the letter was so stupid in his eyes that he decided to amplify the stupidity to a ridiculous level so he can piss off the entire community based on orders he was given, so whoever gave them backpedals

    • @kg4wwn
      @kg4wwn Před 2 lety +8

      @@MrCh0o So this is malicious compliance?

    • @MrCh0o
      @MrCh0o Před 2 lety +12

      @@kg4wwn Yeah, that's the explanation that I felt was fitting

  • @chroniclesofbap6170
    @chroniclesofbap6170 Před 3 lety +41

    "I'm sorry.... please tell your friends?"
    No.

  • @brianpack2332
    @brianpack2332 Před 3 lety +140

    "The community feels the hit", I love that you guys are highlighting that this really was felt beyond a single CZcams channel and I think you guys are right to say it's not just an issue between Nvidia and Hardware Unboxed.

  • @jacksonk5326
    @jacksonk5326 Před 3 lety +77

    As someone who got caught a lot when I was a kid , I can tell when someone is only sorry that they got caught :/

    • @givinnatanlie4619
      @givinnatanlie4619 Před 3 lety +8

      the problem is, the one who wrote that isn't even a kid anymore, like what are they thinking

  • @williamwinner4234
    @williamwinner4234 Před 3 lety +78

    I think you're defending BDR too much. My feeling is the Asia Pacific region drafted the email and went after Hardware Unboxed for personal reasons and likely just pushed BDR into issuing it without him really knowing the story. He was probably tired and said, whatever and sent it. It feels like the buck stops at BDR.

    • @Hotobu
      @Hotobu Před 3 lety +7

      Finally someone reasonable. As if someone *more* executive than him is going around making decisions like that just off of looking at CZcams reviews 😂

    • @harpoonlobotomy
      @harpoonlobotomy Před 3 lety +22

      @@Hotobu You don't think an executive can overreact and lash out? It happens constantly, it just rarely gets publicised. 'Executives' includes a lot of petty, entitled jerks. At a certain level they're virtually untouchable, and some of them throw their weight around.

    • @bacicinvatteneaca
      @bacicinvatteneaca Před 2 lety +2

      @@harpoonlobotomy the point is that he's the one that handles these things

  • @sirsluginston
    @sirsluginston Před 3 lety +216

    The apology was purely an attempt to save face, thus insincere.

    • @Aereto
      @Aereto Před 3 lety +10

      Only intelligent people know their apology is deceptive.
      You know what they say, words are cheap. Apologies have no value without work or action.
      We have a lot of unintelligent people who think saying sorry is enough.

  • @thrillium8623
    @thrillium8623 Před 3 lety +57

    No, not really.
    Everyone apologizes when their back's against a wall

  • @swapode
    @swapode Před 3 lety +157

    Quite frankly, I can't even imagine what a good apology would sound like, except maybe "It was these specific execs; Here's the paper trail that proves it was a rogue action and we're not just scapegoating; They are fired without compensation package".
    Anything less rings hollow after such a blunt attack.
    But hey, I was trying to convince myself to buy an AMD card next, maybe this is finally enough.

    • @imightbebiased9311
      @imightbebiased9311 Před 3 lety +7

      An apology sounds like you're sorry, and then your future actions will determine whether it was legitimate or not.

    • @swapode
      @swapode Před 3 lety +16

      ​@@imightbebiased9311 Sure. But this isn't about a faux-pas caused by lock-down fatigue or whatever bullshit they came up with.
      If someone steps on my foot, a simple "sorry" will do, and unless they keep doing it, we're good. On the other hand if someone punches me on the nose, it ain't that simple. Either they've got a really good explanation how such a thing could happen or shit's going down.
      This wasn't a step on the foot.

    • @imightbebiased9311
      @imightbebiased9311 Před 3 lety +5

      @@swapode Oh, sorry, I was misinterpreting your words. I thought you meant that you weren't sure what a good general corporate apology would sound like these days, not an apology for this specific situation.
      Yeah, I'm not sure what a "real" apology for this sounds like without a, "We will never do something like this again" somewhere in it.

    • @jgclonegunner
      @jgclonegunner Před 2 lety

      AMD GPU's are inferior tho

    • @Hriedmarrj
      @Hriedmarrj Před 2 lety

      @@jgclonegunner ...And? Dont support shitty companies. Speak with your fuckin' wallet. Death to anyone who defends this shit.

  • @F1ll1nTh3Blanks
    @F1ll1nTh3Blanks Před 3 lety +259

    But isn't he like the Cheif Coms Officer.. Like how many people are above him up the chain.. couldn't it be that he didn't read off properly on what another representative wrote before signing..
    Either way it doesn't look too good. If someone that high up is being told to say that by someone higher up then jesus.. who is that person and how are they in the role with that kinda mentality.

    • @KiteAndKeyProductions
      @KiteAndKeyProductions Před 3 lety +42

      @@Justin_Leahy I’m 1000000% that’s the case. I feel like an exec wrote it and forced BDR to sign it.

    • @ericm5315
      @ericm5315 Před 3 lety +13

      @@KiteAndKeyProductions If I was BDR I would have refused and told them why I refused to send out such a poorly worded email that was obviously going to backfire.

    • @storms13
      @storms13 Před 3 lety +14

      I know nothing about Brian and his position, but I could see someone higher telling him to send an email to HardwareUnboxed, no questions asked. He very well was just the messenger

    • @gamesniper0625
      @gamesniper0625 Před 3 lety +27

      @@ericm5315 hope you’d enjoy finding another job as a CCO in the middle of a pandemic.

    • @ericm5315
      @ericm5315 Před 3 lety +12

      @@gamesniper0625 In most organizations, you are expressly forbidden from sending out communications under someone else's name and is grounds for immediate dismissal when disobeyed. Getting fired for refusing to break company policy that has an excellent reason to exist is unlikely - but if it happened; you'd have a fantastic case for wrongful dismissal.
      The executive who asked BDR to send this was doing some super shady stuff and was trying to bypass possible ramifications, assuming that's what actually happened and is likely being talked to by HR and maybe the legal team.

  • @libertyprime9307
    @libertyprime9307 Před 3 lety +43

    They really screwed themselves. Could've just ghosted him, stopped sending him FEs, he'd probably know why... except the obvious follow-up vid testing the RT/DLSS which he even announced in the original video.
    Now they can't even deprive him of them if they want since they have to fulfill their apology, so we stop hating them.

  • @kcihtred2
    @kcihtred2 Před 3 lety +85

    I feel like a video on the history of nVidia bullshit is in order

    • @CheapBastard1988
      @CheapBastard1988 Před 3 lety +11

      Just like GN about MSI. But they should do this about more companies (hello Thermalfake!).

    • @kcihtred2
      @kcihtred2 Před 3 lety +8

      @@CheapBastard1988 companies only get away with what they think they can. If GN and LTT keep them honest it helps consumers

    • @MiTaReX
      @MiTaReX Před 3 lety +3

      Time to update the old classic:
      czcams.com/video/H0L3OTZ13Os/video.html

    • @YourTamedLion
      @YourTamedLion Před 3 lety +2

      That is gonna be a video longer than a full Wan show.
      But I would watch it #NVIDIAsucks

    • @MichaelClark-uw7ex
      @MichaelClark-uw7ex Před 3 lety

      Would YT allow a video that long?
      They have been scummy for decades.

  • @stijntakesitall
    @stijntakesitall Před 3 lety +44

    It still stinks and the apology was not enough. The entire media was pressured here so a public message should have been shared.
    Steve should have been given some special treatment by this shitty company and not have been used as a distribution platform for their own mistake.

  • @davis3051
    @davis3051 Před 3 lety +22

    That idea of an investigative journalist hosting a dedicated video about this would be a great way to present the total argument to the community and to Nvidia without having other people see the possible bias they might think you have, good job Luke

  • @mikehunthunt8269
    @mikehunthunt8269 Před 3 lety +134

    Luke playing both sides so he always ontop

  • @kataseiko
    @kataseiko Před 3 lety +34

    Despite their apology, I think my next PC will have AMD/AMD inside.

    • @magnomliman8114
      @magnomliman8114 Před 3 lety +7

      buy hardware based on what you like and need not for drama.

    • @BenetbenetLive
      @BenetbenetLive Před 3 lety +2

      Right.. I will buy the best product.

    • @RusticRonnie
      @RusticRonnie Před 3 lety +19

      @@magnomliman8114 you need to vote for the business practices you support, and vote against what you don't.

    • @sailbatten2056
      @sailbatten2056 Před 2 lety +2

      @@RusticRonnie You guys are behaving like children. The drama is so off the charts. You guys actually think you are freedom fighters or something. "Look at me! I'm so conscientious I'm buying AMD!" As if you all can evaluate the totality of what huge corporations do. Are you 12? Give it a break.

    • @jonathanelliott1338
      @jonathanelliott1338 Před rokem +3

      @@sailbatten2056 It's just as asinine if you flip it around to what your response implies. "Hey, everything Nvidia did is no big deal - it didn't affect me personally so it's fine (usual bootlicker mentality). You should just shut up." They're voting with their dollar to not support bullshit bully tactics - tactics you're down with. I'll also be going red next build and I hope it makes you clutch your pearls just as much.

  • @G3HP
    @G3HP Před 3 lety +53

    Yeah, I'm with Linus. That initial email vs. the subsequent apologies sound like two different people...
    My take on this is somebody higher up than BDR (who had no business interacting with media) must've seen Hardware Unboxed's review, and taken offence to them not holding RTX up on some golden pedestal during their mainline review, and so scripted that message and forced/coerced BDR to sign off on it (basically making him the fall guy for it it bombed, like it did)

  • @rishigupta2556
    @rishigupta2556 Před 3 lety +67

    5:54 it would be great if you could share this with your fans?!?!
    I thought nvidia might have genuinely been sorry...lol

    • @stephangauthier911
      @stephangauthier911 Před 3 lety +7

      THIS! I thought I was the only one who saw that.

    • @spyder000069
      @spyder000069 Před 3 lety +4

      As if tech people only get their info from one source and this was all going to just be isolated to their audience.

  • @RuStyMoNkeY964
    @RuStyMoNkeY964 Před 3 lety +18

    I think it came form higher up and BDR also was the fall guy when it all fell apart. CORPO tactics for sure

  • @kronos2611
    @kronos2611 Před 3 lety +7

    Hearing that Teams notification sound when watching this just fills me with fear that I should be working

  • @ccdc123456
    @ccdc123456 Před 3 lety +18

    Thanks for helping me choose a new GPU. I bought a Sapphire Nitro + RX 6800XT. And it's awesome !!!

  • @hiddenfromyourview
    @hiddenfromyourview Před 3 lety +2

    So here's the thing. In corporate environments, other people can have access to a manager/director's email account. For example, a secretary may write up an email and run it by the owner of the email account before sending it out on their behalf. This whole situation looks like a team member wrote up an email, Brian signed off on it (Covid fatigue)? without properly reviewing it, and it backfired. I point to testimony that the email didn't sound like Brian and doesn't sound like something he'd say. To Brian's credit, he is taking FULL ownership of this situation. But do NOT expect him to rat out his team mate or whoever wrote up the email. He's a professional of the highest-order. No need to ruin his team member's career and life by exposing his name to the public.

  • @jaytate491
    @jaytate491 Před 3 lety +32

    Not from me. I'm buying an AMD on purpose. I was going to get an RTX 3080 but I don't care about ray tracing and I'm speaking in solidarity with my money for #hardwareunboxed

    • @CommodoreFan64
      @CommodoreFan64 Před 3 lety +7

      👍, and if you ever get tired of Microsoft's BS, you can count on good Linux support with the open source drivers baked right into the latest Linux kernels. Just run a good rolling release distro like Manjaro, and you will never have to worry about being out of date.

    • @magnomliman8114
      @magnomliman8114 Před 3 lety +1

      @Jason Tate
      "" I was going to get an RTX 3080"" you tell me you switch you mind cus a company said something wrong to a youtuber? you are stupide. i buy hardware based on what i like and what i need and not politics. fan bois are sick this days.

    • @Ntwister
      @Ntwister Před 3 lety +9

      @@magnomliman8114 that you dont care how companies act is fine. but some of us vote with our wallet. the only way to stop companies to stop acting bad is to affect their income. that is our responsibility as consumers in an open market. it has nothing to do with politics its about morals. its the same as preferring to not buy products created by child labor because it rewards bad practices.

    • @SirPunch2Face
      @SirPunch2Face Před 3 lety +5

      @@magnomliman8114 You're pointing out that he is buying a different brand of a video card, and then like 3 sentences later you call him a "fan boi". I don't think you know what a "fan boi" is, my guy. Maybe take a step back from the weeb shit and come back into real life and learn what words mean before you start trying to act like a tough boi on the internet.

    • @thomasjensen1590
      @thomasjensen1590 Před 3 lety +1

      RTX is garbage... in most games it actually makes the game look worse. Plus it absolutely destroys FPS. They would be better off using those transistors for rasterization

  • @RobertDeCaire
    @RobertDeCaire Před 3 lety +7

    They didn't just threaten Hardware Unboxed. They threatened literally every tech reviewer. That threat still stands.

  • @elcoollow5955
    @elcoollow5955 Před 3 lety +15

    I was on the fence about upgrading when stock is available and I was considering nvdia because of DLSS. But this makes me want to support AMD. I don't want to support Nvidias ego.

  • @jimp7181
    @jimp7181 Před 3 lety +8

    What about that MSI thing where their US subsidiary was scalping cards?

    • @lost4468yt
      @lost4468yt Před 3 lety +1

      Did you watch their video on it? They said basically who cares?

  • @tsandhu4
    @tsandhu4 Před 3 lety +5

    I find it interesting that since the apology there has been a increase in nvidia ad’s on CZcams. I even saw a nvidia come up before this video started playing

  • @MrRez808
    @MrRez808 Před 3 lety +29

    I would love to see a dedicated video on this topic.

  • @redryderaus
    @redryderaus Před 3 lety +4

    Brian Del Rizzo's signature is on the email. He owns it 100%, whether he wrote the email or not.

    • @Paul_Sleeping
      @Paul_Sleeping Před 3 lety +2

      It's not about him currently. It is assumed that someone higher up than BDR is calling the shots and he is being used as a pawn in a worst possible way to shield the perpetrator. Sure it's easy for us to say if he has any personal integrity left to just quit but that is not right. We all need a job now and it's hard to come by. He is probably putting his head down and trying to get through this s***storm that is not of his doing.

  • @JAYZ999
    @JAYZ999 Před 3 lety +10

    13:16 he’s obviously hinting at Jensen. Which would be fucked up.

  • @Necropheliac
    @Necropheliac Před 3 lety +5

    If Steve forgives them, then I forgive them too. We won't forget this bullshit, but in the end they apologized and rescinded the policy that they threatened HU with. Mistakes were made, but if we don't forgive them when they try to fix those mistakes, then there will never be any attempt to fix mistakes in the future.
    A foul was called in the field, Nvidia suffered a penalty, game on.

  • @jackyoung9786
    @jackyoung9786 Před 3 lety +7

    this also happen during the 2060 FE release. Hardware Unboxed didnt receive there early release test

  • @2007farenheit
    @2007farenheit Před 3 lety +27

    “Umm I was drunk and I won’t drink anymore” lol

  • @anakondase
    @anakondase Před 3 lety +3

    The problem here is, the signal have already gone out to the smaller reviewers that won't dare to risk going against what they said in the original mail.

  • @Richard_Bumblebee
    @Richard_Bumblebee Před 3 lety +3

    I can't believe the email had a "covid huh am I right" moment in it. Because you can't open an apology without finding a cheap excuse...

  • @HartleyTopTips
    @HartleyTopTips Před 3 lety +27

    there sorry they got caught, just other companies lying to customers.

    • @Tonis197
      @Tonis197 Před 3 lety +7

      they’re *

    • @LapisPebble
      @LapisPebble Před 3 lety +2

      @@Tonis197 I'm so sick of people who can't even get elementary school level grammar right.

    • @JosePineda-jn8jk
      @JosePineda-jn8jk Před 3 lety

      @@Tonis197That was a sentence fragment...

    • @HartleyTopTips
      @HartleyTopTips Před 3 lety

      @@LapisPebble i know how to spell, i just choose not to for speed lol

  • @sarathmadhu
    @sarathmadhu Před 2 lety +5

    Its nice to see that you guys have each others back. sorta keeping the independent relevant for these reviews. Wish reviewers in my country also had such collective voice and provided a fair review.

  • @boomish69
    @boomish69 Před 3 lety +3

    Love how this is such a big thing, it happens all the time for written press reviews & I’m sure has done for CZcamsrs! Then there are the hidden paid for reviews, which really are the worst PR..

  • @varanidguy
    @varanidguy Před 3 lety +9

    I love how NVIDIA mentioned consoles like they're relevant in that space...aren't the PS5 and Xbox AMD? lol

    • @mtheprof48
      @mtheprof48 Před 3 lety +3

      Yep,and also have ray tracing

    • @MyLonewolf25
      @MyLonewolf25 Před 3 lety +1

      Yuuup

    • @kavishbansal
      @kavishbansal Před 16 dny +1

      I think they mean Nintendo Switch cause those use Nvidia Tegra chips instead of AMD.

    • @varanidguy
      @varanidguy Před 16 dny +1

      @@kavishbansal I did not know that. Thank you.

  • @danieldavis3035
    @danieldavis3035 Před 3 lety +4

    I don't think Bryan wrote that email. I think it was someone on his staff like Luke said and it was sent out before anyone could approve it. But then again, we'll never know.

    • @seasesh4073
      @seasesh4073 Před 3 lety

      It's even worse if he's forced. That means it's not some decentralised marketing team that sent it but someone who can force the head of fucking PR to sign such an email. That means it's a cancerous culture by Ngreedia overlords not low payed employees looking for payraise

  • @MySparkle888
    @MySparkle888 Před 3 lety +7

    They are only sorry they got caught.

  • @vivekjoshi39
    @vivekjoshi39 Před 3 lety

    Great video.
    But did anyone notice the number of wrapped gift at the back ?!

  • @kevenharvey9711
    @kevenharvey9711 Před 3 lety +26

    The apology isn't sincere at all, hopefully they learned that the media and consumers aren't onboard with their bullshit and that they don't speak for gamers, maybe the most we can expect from a publically traded company.
    And I say that fully believing that ray tracing is the FUTURE, while also believing that today's implementation isn't worth the computationnal load.
    IMO, nVidia are just trying to get the population to associate ray tracing with their brand, for when it becomes viable, that's all it is.

    • @nathandam6415
      @nathandam6415 Před 3 lety

      Glad that they even backtracked in the first place. Plenty of companies would just straight up not give a fuck and plow through until the waters settle again.

    • @CommodoreFan64
      @CommodoreFan64 Před 3 lety +1

      As a proud member of the Linux community, I can say Nvidia has been pulling bullshit like this for years telling us to frack ourselves for support, and that they don't want our money because of it, and I'll happily run AMD, and hope Intel also gives us a good option for a GPU at some point that's not an iGPU.

    • @lost4468yt
      @lost4468yt Před 3 lety +1

      They can't possibly associate raytracing with their brand. It is something that has existed for several decades and is perhaps one of the most geometric, intuitive, and simple ways to render things. As soon as performance catches up we will be seeing it more and more. And of course it's everywhere already in rendering.
      Also it's technically path tracing I believe? Which is much much better than plain old ray tracing.

    • @whaddyamean99
      @whaddyamean99 Před 3 lety +1

      @@lost4468yt I'm not super into the tech world, so take this with a grain of salt but when I hear Ray tracing the only thing I think about is Nvidia. If I hear that term all I associate it with is rtx. So Nvidia definitely want consumers to think green when they hear Ray tracing

    • @lost4468yt
      @lost4468yt Před 3 lety

      @@whaddyamean99 Sure. But it's not like Nvidia owns anything around ray-tracing. They don't own the trademark, or the technology, or the methods, or anything.
      Ray-tracing and path tracing (which Nvidia also just calls ray tracing it seems) have already been used for decades in the CGI world, simulation world, etc. And some games have used it before. Even the best ray traced title for RTX, Minecraft, already had a mod to path trace it by Sonic Ether, and the mod is considerably better and even more performant than Nvidia's implementation.
      Eventually everyone will support it, consoles, AMD, Intel, etc. Nvidia might be able to associate the tech with themselves to gamers, but that will not last very long because eventually everyone will.
      And if AMD and others were smart they could actually start calling their implementation Path Tracing instead. Path Tracing is much better than plain old ray tracing and can create images that you pretty much can't tell from reality. I think Nvidia is still using a mix of ray tracing and path tracing, but for whatever reason they called it all ray tracing.

  • @GenjiPrime
    @GenjiPrime Před 3 lety +8

    That other "someone" you mean the "leather jacket guy"? 😂

  • @Wh0am131
    @Wh0am131 Před 3 lety +4

    This stuff happened because in the past when bad practices were called out about Nvidia alot of reviews either turned a blind eye or went after those speaking about those things as either fan boys or blowing things out of proportion. He result was they kept pushing this companies products and the monster grew. Then they act surprised when monster company after getting to a certain size decides to flex it's muscles on them when they are the top dog. I'm glad reviewers are angry about this but the problem is there was alot of other things to be angry about for a long time that seriously affected consumers who had no voice. Now that the shot was fired at reviewers now we want to make a massive deal about it. I hope reviewers bring this level of intensity and this level of distrust in future inevitable screw ups any tech company makes.

  • @curtisbme
    @curtisbme Před 3 lety +1

    In the companies I've worked for, others often wrote the messages for the upper managers to send out. That PR speak email very much read like an underling, likely like Steve said one of the people in the market that has a beef with them, wrote it BDR gave it a scan and didn't know anything about Hardware Unboxed and sent it off without giving it much thought. One can hope that person got ripped a new one and ideally fired.

  • @aDifferentJT
    @aDifferentJT Před 3 lety +39

    It sounds to me like he’s taking the rap for someone on his team which makes me respect him.

    • @EnragedLuffy
      @EnragedLuffy Před 3 lety +2

      I mean it was signed off by him, as far as I know, so it just sounds like a backpedal to me.

    • @aawillma
      @aawillma Před 3 lety +9

      He signed his name to it, it was his responsibility. Period.

    • @somethingelse516
      @somethingelse516 Před 3 lety

      @@aawillma it sounds like an email written by committee, my guess is that several managers had sight of it and edited before asking the sender to issue it.

    • @ericm5315
      @ericm5315 Před 3 lety

      Or he's taking the fall for an executive who forced him to sign the letter. In either case of course Nvidia wouldn't comment on internal disciplinary actions. No self respecting employer would do something that stupid.

    • @powermonger9090
      @powermonger9090 Před 3 lety +1

      The buck stops with BDR pure and simple, the first email and replies were sent from his account. Even if someone else did write the first email, it would look even worse if NVidia tried to shift blame to someone else. That would be kindergarten stuff.

  • @Austin1990
    @Austin1990 Před 3 lety +36

    The apology was so backhanded that I consider it more of an insult than an apology. I was going to buy a new RTX 3080 Ti from nVidia but I will now be waiting to buy a secondhand card. I will not partake in this blatantly abusive relationship that nVidia maintains with its consumers.

    • @hayabusa09
      @hayabusa09 Před 3 lety +3

      Clown

    • @maxemore
      @maxemore Před 3 lety +4

      Good, I'm sure that will hurt their feelings

    • @Crunchifyable2
      @Crunchifyable2 Před 3 lety +1

      If i could afford it I'd rip out my Nvidia card and switch to an AMD because the brand just seems dirty now.

    • @FuburLuck
      @FuburLuck Před 3 lety +2

      I'd been debating hard about either getting a 6800xt or a 3080. This made the decision easy. AMD it is.

    • @dirt_slab
      @dirt_slab Před 3 lety

      @@FuburLuck ok, personally even having an amd card, i believe that you shouldn’t make a decision just because the company messed up. The product is still great and you should truly consider both sides of the products offered. Again, I actually love radeon 6000 series (even though I’m still on 5000), but I think that rtx 30 is also really good and may actually be a better offer. Of course that’s assuming you can find them

  • @Nuklearhase
    @Nuklearhase Před 3 lety +6

    Whoever doing these clips, congratulations. I hate those short clips where you miss a lot of stuff. These good titled longer videos about the whole topic are great.

  • @hongluzhang7771
    @hongluzhang7771 Před 3 lety +6

    when things like this happens, honestly, it is normal for any big company. sometimes it is not even some conspiracy, but many different shits are happening inside, some conflicts going on between teams/personnels for example. for many ppl involved in these things, it would be their interest to just shut up and say we just can't tell you, even if you are a friend or so.

    • @hongluzhang7771
      @hongluzhang7771 Před 3 lety +2

      additionally, it is totally possible, most ppl inside the corp wouldn't have a good sense of what's going on other than just the pr problem. to put it to scale, the whole structure would be like thousands of LMG with complicated administrative connections and many times for many reasons, teams or admins chose to not disclose information even to their boss or their partners. so it would be very hard to grasp what happened unless you pour a lot of effort in investigating.

    • @DizzyBusy
      @DizzyBusy Před 3 lety

      I think so too

  • @drakesavory2019
    @drakesavory2019 Před 3 lety +1

    The worst part of this for Nvidia is they now call into question everyone that gives them a good review. We are left with, "Did they say they love that card so they won't get blacklisted?"

  • @NEOgeek402
    @NEOgeek402 Před 3 lety +6

    Also I think you should seriously think Linus for covering us I really believe this helps show that he is truly independent of these corporations. Thank you so much Linus tech tips/Linus media group. This is incredibly amazing to see you stand up for what’s right in a world where nobody really seems to care about anything. It is much appreciated and this is why I hold you to a higher standard than the rest the world all these other tech reviewer’s are kind of BS in my opinion

  • @Aluzions
    @Aluzions Před 3 lety +9

    Nvidia: *I'm gonna ruin my whole career*

    • @MegaManNeo
      @MegaManNeo Před 3 lety

      Their rep in the public is too big to fall.
      I'd even say this whole fiasco reaches only the fraction of users as majority doesn't reads news or watches reviews.

  • @rasaecnai
    @rasaecnai Před 3 lety +1

    the original email totally like a mafia letter from Godfather. Literally 'Im gonna make you an offer you cant refuse.'

  • @pipnmaz
    @pipnmaz Před 3 lety +1

    Trying to build a new system currently and Nvidia cards are just flat out not available anywhere at the moment so apart from the bad press over this current situation they also seem unable to produce quantity of anything at the moment.

  • @toxikliz9610
    @toxikliz9610 Před 3 lety +6

    The fact that BDR is still with Nvidia tells me all I need to know. If it was his idea, he would be long gone.

    • @jeremydale4548
      @jeremydale4548 Před rokem

      Yes. It's CRYSTAL clear that Nvidia's leadership are behind this and just threw BDR under the bus.
      Here is what NEEDS to happen in order for Nvidia to succeed as a company.
      1. They FIRE their shitty leaders and replace them with people who ACTUALLY care about the consumers.
      2. They need to treat their partners like ACTUAL partners and not just ATMs.
      3. They need to oust every shareholder who is encouraging their shitty behavior.
      4. Any time something bad like this happens, Nvidia needs to own up to it, admit they fucked up and explain how it is going to prevent it in the future.

  • @domm6812
    @domm6812 Před 3 lety +3

    Totally agree with Linus. Explanations need to be made. That first email was so transparently crooked this is not just "water under the bridge". Like he said, this is far from the first time Nvidia have been anti-consumer.

  • @syncmonism
    @syncmonism Před rokem +1

    I have personally had an Amazon seller do something like this to me. They tried to bribe me to change my review of their product. I refused the bribe and then edited my review, knocking another star off and stating that they tried to bribe me :D
    Not all heroes wear capes ^_^

  • @ZTenski
    @ZTenski Před 3 lety +10

    I'm thinking the apology was written before the first email even went out. In two weeks this will be forgotten. Bottom line, unaffected. Nvidia wins again.

    • @MrDarkSephirot
      @MrDarkSephirot Před 3 lety +1

      As we say in Spain, waters will come back to its course somehow, but the damage to Nvidia's marketing will persist. Few people will restrain from buying a Nvidia GPU for this sole reason, but many of us who are aware of the scandal will be more skeptical at them in the future, now that we have the proof of shady policies. Consumers will make sure to get objective analysis before buying one of their products. Not to mention the backfire at the level of tech media: rather than fearful, if anything they're resentful and even more compelled to deliver objective reviews.

    • @CommodoreFan64
      @CommodoreFan64 Před 3 lety +4

      @@MrDarkSephirotWell then count me as one of the few who won't be buying an Nvidia GPU for my PC after this, In fact the last Nvidia Graphics cards I bought where 2 EVGA 9500GT 1GB cards in SLI, I've been AMD every since(Not much I can do about the chip in my Switch Lite if I want to play Nintendo games however), and I could not be happier as AMD gives great Linux support unlike Nvidia.

    • @MrDarkSephirot
      @MrDarkSephirot Před 3 lety

      @@CommodoreFan64 so this HUB-gate hasn't radically affected your choice :P
      I don't use Linux but AMD has definitely been the "underdog" and the more consumer friendly for many years, more so in the CPU market. Overall they provide slightly better value for money, although this is a bit more debatable depending on how much you value RT and specially DLSS.

  • @BrettWidner
    @BrettWidner Před 3 lety +27

    "Lockdown Fatigue" Yeah, because your company making more than they've ever made while you get to primarily sit at home. Sooooo tiring. Out of here with that shiz.

    • @firmman4505
      @firmman4505 Před 3 lety +1

      They're company making lots mean nothing. They still have to work at home.

    • @alexjohnson5677
      @alexjohnson5677 Před 3 lety +5

      Such a poor excuse. This isn't an apology because they didn't take ownership. Just blamed it on COVID

    • @firmman4505
      @firmman4505 Před 3 lety

      @@alexjohnson5677 how do you know that it wasn't because of covid? How do you know that they weren't apologising?

    • @BrettWidner
      @BrettWidner Před 3 lety +3

      @@firmman4505 This guy is a higher level Nvidia employee who has probably seen multiple and bigger bonuses this year because of how much Nvidia is raking in the profit. This is typical common practice for high level executive employees. "Lockdown Fatigue" isn't a thing when you're sitting pretty in your comfy home pulling in 6, maybe even 7 figures. Citing it was a cop out. Plain and simple.

    • @alexjohnson5677
      @alexjohnson5677 Před 3 lety +4

      @@firmman4505 Troll

  • @hurley2609
    @hurley2609 Před 3 lety +4

    The hd600s live on, knew Linus wouldn't keep the logitech headset hahah

  • @Kyle-hf2hk
    @Kyle-hf2hk Před 2 lety +1

    1:40 He's The Global Director of Public Relations for the corporation of NVidia. He IS the approval for that sort of thing. Putting that aside, even if he wasn't, he wrote it in the first place, and he hit the send button. It doesn't make much sense to try and take responsibility away given his position, and direct involvement.

  • @chrisw6525
    @chrisw6525 Před 3 lety +1

    Linus's face when the investigative reporter is suggested... something is going down now.

  • @OuijTube
    @OuijTube Před 3 lety +7

    Fighting so hard to save the reputation of the corporate spokesman that happens to be a friend?

  • @reed-young
    @reed-young Před rokem +3

    How toxic does nvidia have to be for EVGA to effectively sacrifice more than half of its own revenue stream in order to file for divorce from nvidia?

  • @janemba42
    @janemba42 Před 3 lety +2

    Steve himself said he does not rely on day one reviews in fact its the opposite for them. They don't rely on crappy clickbait titles and thumbnails, they do proper in depth reviews.

  • @funkemunky
    @funkemunky Před 3 lety +1

    I would love a dedicated video! It would be great for someone to dig deeper and try to make it more well known outside of the WAN show and tech Twitter

  • @Apipoulai
    @Apipoulai Před 3 lety +4

    9:39 and which Nvidia employees that pushed this under your nose and caused so much damage to the company will be looking at Christmas without a job?

  • @michaelsurratt9593
    @michaelsurratt9593 Před 3 lety +3

    They may have “apologized” but, it will NEVER be forgotten.

  • @jthedood1605
    @jthedood1605 Před měsícem +1

    Well if you put more raster and more vram on your card, people will be more enticed to turn on RT

  • @RedneckRepairs
    @RedneckRepairs Před 2 lety +1

    "an email like that never goes out without prior approval from someone"
    My impression: An email like that goes out at the *direction* of someone.

  • @philipc7273
    @philipc7273 Před 3 lety +7

    Nvidia: we're sorry
    Linus: you're not really soorry aboout what you did

    • @Smart-Towel-RG-400
      @Smart-Towel-RG-400 Před 2 lety

      Lol I love.linus he will throw a grenade at any company that pulls stuff like this ... because he's just like that but I'm guessing when he was smaller and before tech tube wqs as big as it is now companies did stuff like this all the time and usally got away with it

  • @JXSnWp
    @JXSnWp Před 3 lety +4

    It feels like the powers that be st Nvidia are banking on peoples short memory's and assuming this is just another incident in a long line of "it will just blow over" attitude.

    • @MiTaReX
      @MiTaReX Před 3 lety +1

      The saddest thing is that it works.
      The only thing we can do is document these events and remind everyone so people don't forget.

    • @JXSnWp
      @JXSnWp Před 3 lety +1

      @@MiTaReX I feel the real tragedy here is this will hardly be a blip in the grand scheme of things. Nvidia still has the greatest market share for a reason. I really want AMD to take them down a peg. A whole peg.

    • @zjunk4877
      @zjunk4877 Před 3 lety

      I don't know, AMD trying to kill Zen3 support on 400 series boards blew over pretty quick, and that was before b550 even existed. Then 6000 series MSRP being fake on top of releasing far less cards than Nvidia.
      All these companies pull shady shit. Most of it gets ignored. We need to hold Intel and AMDs feet to the fire too.

  • @machich.1368
    @machich.1368 Před 3 lety +1

    Here’s the problem when a company apologizes. There’s more than one person. You can’t resolve how sorry a group of people actually is, because there may be someone in there who isn’t. That’s why emails like this are such a disaster. Trust is too easily broken, and not easily mendable. This is true for individuals let alone one of the two dominating companies in a particular manufacturing specialty. If something like this can slip past PR then how can we trust their PR to maintain future professional company-reviewer-consumer interaction?

    • @letcreate123
      @letcreate123 Před 3 lety

      Finally someone in the comments who is actually aware that there are _actual people_ behind companies. That said I agree entirely with what you said.

  • @dexis9412
    @dexis9412 Před 3 lety +1

    Every time they say BDR my brain translates it to “Brian David Rilbert” and I don’t know how to feel...

  • @mikaelbiilmann6826
    @mikaelbiilmann6826 Před 3 lety +3

    Nvidia: "Jeebus, look what we started!" 🤣

  • @trukr817
    @trukr817 Před 3 lety +3

    I was really looking forward to getting a new 3070. Now, I think I will go AMD (when things aren't insane) and not worry about ray tracing. NVIDIA just keeps being jerks, not that AMD are perfect, just POed at NVIDIA right now. NVIDIA make some nice product, I loved my GTX 1080 and hate that my PSU took it out, but I feel they are acting slimly and nasty.
    Edit: I don't know for sure that my PSU killed my 1080, a MOSFET died and killed the GPU. The GPU I put in had a black screen twice and not since the PSU was replace so assuming it was the PSU.

  • @waregeeksny
    @waregeeksny Před 3 lety

    We only know about the letter to Hardware Unboxed. How many years have they sent out similar emails?

  • @countmorbid3187
    @countmorbid3187 Před 3 lety

    Weird thing is they quoted HU on their site for promotion ... HU did review RT rather extensively ... So it's a really weird situation.
    Maybe NV wanted to make an example of how ppl get punished if they don't do reviews NV wants.
    But the victim became the martyr .... and the community does not stand for it.
    Guess they did not expect that .... not this magnitude.

  • @thomasjensen1590
    @thomasjensen1590 Před 3 lety +12

    I really really hope that AMD soon delivers graphics cards that smokes the crap out of the highest end nvidia cards in rasterization so that we can all forget about nvidia for good

  • @Mirinmaru
    @Mirinmaru Před 3 lety +7

    Whether or not BDR "wrote" the email to begin with is completely irrelevant, I dont know why they bring it up.
    He is the one that should be held accountable regardless, since he's the one signing off the mail.
    But, I'm not saying he's the one we should be mad at. He's just the one that is responsible for the email.

    • @aidanquiett668
      @aidanquiett668 Před 3 lety +1

      I'm not entirely sure he did personally write off on the first one. from my understanding of company policy in emails, its not too uncommon to have others write off or even fully write for you without your approval as a high up PR person, especially when it comes to something pretty unceremonious like removing a guy from your free samples list. the latter, given it sounds more like him, likely was him being forced to apologize for someone else screwing him over

    • @nicolaim4275
      @nicolaim4275 Před 3 lety

      There is a difference between a specific toxic individual at a company doing something of their own volition and a toxic work culture forcing someone to sign a bad letter to prevent getting fired. They are both bad, but not in the same way.

  • @morells09
    @morells09 Před měsícem

    11:30 I think it was the other way around, as in he wrote something in the email to Steve that was much better sounding and someone else in their PR department who job it is to proofread media communications significantly changed the wording in the email and left BDR’s signature on it

  • @crabjoe
    @crabjoe Před 3 lety +2

    LOL.. They're sorry because they got caught!

  • @Bob.isnotmyname
    @Bob.isnotmyname Před 3 lety +3

    it`s just time, and we all hail the hypnotoad

  • @jasongiese6168
    @jasongiese6168 Před 3 lety +5

    105 Likes, 1 Dislike
    I guess Jensen did not like that Video

  • @BReal-10EC
    @BReal-10EC Před 3 lety +1

    They sent out a press release sounding email knowing it would leak to the internet and cause a sh*tstorm, immediately walked it back as an honest "mistake", but left that message in the minds of every up and coming tech reviewer who needs/wants access to launch day hardware.

  • @doctorgears9358
    @doctorgears9358 Před 2 lety

    I don't know what's worse. Him forming that email, thinking it's good to go, and sending it or someone else forming that email, slapping his signature on it, sending it, and proceeding to drag his name through the mud.

  • @Valkires1
    @Valkires1 Před 3 lety +8

    Nvidia: "What are going to do about it, buy AMD. Ha, what a joke.
    Want to hear another one?
    Intel Graphics."

    • @alexgallagher9759
      @alexgallagher9759 Před 3 lety +1

      Buy 6800xt. Its good. Stop eating a plate full of bullshit

  • @patbluetree4636
    @patbluetree4636 Před 3 lety +8

    RTX love it or something bad will happen to your review channel.

    • @spyder000069
      @spyder000069 Před 3 lety +5

      If Jay and Silent Bob show up at your door wearing Nvidia jackets don't answer it.

  • @JamesColeman12
    @JamesColeman12 Před 3 lety

    someone from higher up wants that msg to be sent and he has to signed it to get it through, then the heat was all on him because of his signature. instead of saying he wasn't the one who wanted to push that msg he just defuses it and take responsibility.

  • @fergusferguson4782
    @fergusferguson4782 Před 3 lety +1

    How about they apologize for Amazon selling 3060's for 2x MSRP?