Cabin in the Woods 43: Installing an Open Frame Timber Staircase
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- čas přidán 9. 01. 2021
- In this episode of Cabin in the Woods, we start off by installing an open frame timber staircase. In my career as a carpenter, I've built and installed many staircases, but never one like this. The stringers and treads were all precut for us by the woodworkers shop up in Michigan and they were the biggest timber I have ever used for a staircase.
Let me know down below in the comments if you liked the Kreg Jig pocket hole screw idea for the treads or if you have a better way of installing an open timber staircase.
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With Ryan's czcams.com/users/postUgkxy_pn55PK60wAV3X_C_RoLS_67mNonoCE plan I was like one taken by the hand and led step by step from start to finish. Thank you very much Ryan!
Anyone else give Kyle's videos a "thumbs up" three seconds into the video because you know it is going to be good?
Keep up the great work Kyle and Greg! The attention to detail is fantastic!
Thanks man
Love the stairs open stringer. Thanks for supporting another Michigan business. We need all the help we can get.
I like what you said about stressing over difficult projects. The answers seem to come once you get started. Good job!
My spirit twin. I’ve been in “IT” since before I graduated HS, building PCs in a friend’s repair shop. I have my masters in CS, but would much rather be doing what you’re doing. I love your videos and am living vicariously through you 😊
Fellow IT nerd here watching every episode.. :)
Been in computer related work (3d animation, editing, etc.) most of my life (I'm 50) and really wish I had gone into some kind of trade. Computer work is really unfulfilling when you look back at what you've done over your life. Yeah, I've done stuff for TV and movies. Big deal. I'm looking to buy a fixer upper in the near future to save money and because I love this kind of work.
@@MAGAMAN yep, seems like every 3 to 5 years my work gets replaced. I.T. and early 40s.
The advice you give from 12:30 to 12:50 applies to most things in life that I have encountered as well. The majority of the time it’s only over thinking the situation.
To many people are obsessed with 1 battery platform. It's good to see someone using different brands based off what feels good
I've talked many clients into aluminum/steel roofing for their garage ceilings and were all overally impressed once done. They first looked bewildered at first mentioning it. Great job man.
Great Kreg Jig tip on using the drill driver vs. impact when setting the screws...thanks for sharing and another lesson learned from RR!!
You always have that job/task that hindsight is 20/20. You always see ways after the fact to improve the process or get faster/cleaner results.
Ahhh the therapeutic sounds of tools even after a long day of working with them. Great vid!
Those stairs are so simple that it looks amazing in there. Keep up the good job
That's one beautiful set of stairs the craftman that got them stairs out did a beautiful job have you done a beautiful job installing them I worked in a metal fab shop for five years and built stairs and hand railings I know what it takes 👍👍👍👍👍👍
I remember my bro in law had a spiral staircase installed in a new house they had built, and when the drilled into the floor to fasten the spinal column, the drilled right through the radiant floor heat tubing.
Always makes me nervous to see them drill into a radiant floor. I know Kyle was careful about his depth.
Dang
I'm sure he had the lay out plan for the pipes!!
If you turn the heat on, you can use a thermal camera to see where the pipes are.
Kyle ; Your talents remind me of the old school carpenters! You not only understand the all the fine points of building and framing you can do quality finish work!
I use the drill brake option on PH’s.
Like 17/18 on my drill & the clutch kicks out so I don’t overdrill.
Those stairs are really nice ! And great clean work!
Hv you ever considered a domino?
Faster and solid joinery with no visible fasteners ! Little pricey cause you need both! Use them for stairs and u will be doing more stairs!
For guys like us they make us look like Gary Katz!
Really, really enjoy your channel & nice little family u hv !
God Bless!
I’d love to get a domino
Hahaha, I like the way you explained the method to your madness. Between a happy balance of visual satisfaction and getting all the repetitive tasks out of the way. I'm the same way!
Our supplier sends us Mitek stuff. I was a Simpson strong tie faithful and was skeptical but I love the Mitek hardware. Beautiful steps brother!
Looks good guy,glad to see there are still young people working the trades.!
Sometimes I question if I’m more excited for the builds or the tools! 😂
Love the channel, keep the videos coming!!
Yeah me too! Kyle has all the awesome tools!
I just did a staircase using black metal stringers, with custom treads, finish stained from a wood shop. Stringers had holes drilled underneath for bolt mounting. Black bolts to match the metal. Looked pretty awesome going up the 3 flights of stairs.
Great kreg tips. Only thing I would add is not to use an impact with the drill bits either. I’ve found that if you let it hammer then the depth stopper will walk and cause you grief.
Very nice work on beautiful stairs. I enjoy your attention to details.
That really seemed like a very demanding and technical installation. Well done.
Awesome job! Love that look!
I like the Kreg screws and have used them quite a bib. To repair my pole building, after tree damage, I used the Kreg HD system.
A phenomenal set of stairs !
Nice good job RR and Greg
Beautifully done. As usual.
It turned out very nice!! Job well done as usual.
Good job as always guys. The stairs was fun to watch you figuring it out.
I think those stairs turned out sweet! The rail supports are a bit chunky to my eye, but it's part of the look.
Looks awesome! Smart thinking worrying about the expansion of standard subfloor foam. Expansion and contraction are something i need to worry about more. Also love the “Thats a lesson” attitude
Gracias por compartir su experiencia amigo, he aprendido mucho, es usted un profesional, felicidades y Dios le bendiga. Saludos desde Monterrey, México
That looks amazing only thing I would of done different would be a small gap between the wall and trade to avoid squeaking
Yup, just a 16th.
2 stringers no risers and all that weight from those treads... you know its going to be bouncy.
@@deeeeeeps You do realize those stringers are oversized aswell as the treads. I doubt there will be much movement at all.
@@razztacular yes i noticed they are 3/4" thicker...won't make up for what it is lacking. I bet it drops at least a 1/4" with a 200lb person in the middle. Explain how a thicker tread helps the vertical strength. I'm curious.
@@razztacular wood expands and contracts regardless of its size. A nickel gap would have helped.
Nice work as always! Only suggestion would have been to add some super thin felt between the tread and walls for possible squeaks. The wood is pretty burly so hopefully you won't have that problem. But just in case.. Enjoy!
Stairs looks great, keep up on the videos all are really good material
You may find over time that the stair treads will squeak on the wall and knock into it as you go up and down, a quarter inch offset would be good, or a couple of angle brackets around the mid way mark to tie in
Like say Kyle the right tools makes all the difference
Very under estimated life lesson starting at 12:30. Don’t think so much about all the hardships and hurdles a task will bring. Just start at step 1 and and move to step 2 once 1 is done. Next thing you know. You’re done and the feeling that you get of self accomplishment will be your reward! Few things more gratifying that stepping back and saying. Yeah I built that. And it looks really f**king good!
Love it Kyle! Keep up the perfection!
Ive just redone my staircase using oak sleepers, with an open riser construction love how the look so much nicer having them open imo
Appreciate the Kreg Jig impact driver tip.
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Keg makes half dowel sections if you want to glue them into the pocket holes for a seamless look, great work!
Those stairs are badass.
beautiful staircase
great job guys .. fantastic
Looking amazing boys
Nice job. Good tips bro!
This is a good one for the people triggered by pocket holes! 😀 i bet if you plugged the holes on the outside stringer nobody would ever even notice.
Awesome man great looking stairs
Love those massive treads.
Thats a bad ass stair case
Stairs look amazing and craftsmanship is top notch! Only concern I would have is that the treads appear to be right up against the wall. No matter how thick they are, I assume they will squeak when they flex.
@11:00 when you had to tell people how to drive a screw 😂 so many pro's strip the thread connection they just made.
I would have put a 3/8 gap between tread and wall to mitigate the dissimilar gaps. When i do treads i do top and bottom first, run a string line so even from a distance tread ends line up perfectly. But i have a problem . Noticed glue on top of top tread, that'll need a sanding
Yes of course glue will be sanded off
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Superior job like always... 🍻
Thanks for pointing out things you'd improve next time. Nice job.
Nice stairs and garage
I was totally looking at that tread you had to go back and fix lol looks 👍
Beautiful stairs by the way. I would go for wooden walls in MY garage to be honest... To hang stuff... Well done guys! 👍😁
I agree with James, I would have put a gap between the wall and tread so 'down the road' there are no squeaks.
That job is taking a long time!
Enjoyed the show
Could have doweled the treads to the stringers.
Great video 👍
Looking sweet just wondering why you haven't left a hairs gap from the tread to the wall for movement and squeaks just a thought greg
Ya even 1/8th or 1/4 would have worked. Different seasons have different humidity !
Yup that would be my concern aswell. The staircase looks awesome but it will move when you walk on it and the treads will rub the wall
Cross grain gluing i would have glued half across the treads just to try and eliminate some of the treads from splitting over time it would have been better if the treads had been laminated together but who knows with timber ive tried many things over the years and if timber wants to move it will only time will tell greg is such a perfectionist I'm sure he will sort it
@@davidbray6515 I don't know about that. Mine are the same and about 13 years old and they haven't cracked or split. You have to use completely dried lumber to make these !
Looking great, definitely not lumber yard wood for the stairs. Great attention to detail!
Awesome dude
Awesome looking - if it were mine, I would have used wooden dowels on each tread, glue them in and knock the tread down. I expect if anyone cares, you can fill the Kreg pocket holes in with plugs.
The gap is not only needed to prevent squeaks but to prevent build up of crud that is hard to clean (but then again, maybe the crud will stop the squeaks.)
That's one manly set of stairs.
I like those steps.
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Yes the only church that when offering plate is passed around, you give screws, tools or lumber vs cash.
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So you're the guy I'll hire to build my cabin in the woods. Start learning how to work with beams cause that's what mine is gonna be
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Yup i I
I see you finally wisened up and wore some knee pads Kyle. The building looks awesome!
11:36 sounds like a good time!
I would have thought a small space between tread and wall would be better, the stairs are bound to move a little and scrape against the wall making them creak.
That's what I picked up on too. We use a 1/4 inch gap in those situations to avoid the squeak. The Craig Jig shocked me as well. Those things never plug like they show on T.V.
Hahahah, that adjustable angle drill is sweet, but a painful reminder that Milwaukee makes great tools with terrible chucks.
i hope that is conditioned space and you let those treads acclimate to the space, you will get some expansion and contraction on those treads being so close to that T&G wall.
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You are an artist doing construction. Plug the holes with pocket hole plugs...
I think you could have drilled dowels through the top and sanded them flush with a darker wood. If you didn't like the look of that you could put a dowel in the stringer sticking up 1-1/2" then put wood glue on the top of the dowel set the tread on the dowels. The glue will mark where to drill the holes in the tread.
I'll buy that
Good afternoon from St John Parish, Louisiana 10 Jan 21.
Make sure the treads don’t rub against the wall and make squeaks
Hey Greg, look at my lunch. Hey Greg, I gotta go to the bathroom. Hey Greg, I got this new box of screws.
Not gon lie... in the thumbnail for the vid, I seriously thought it was Canelo Alvarez and was like: whaaat?!? I’m this dude is a millionaire boxer and woodworks?!?! Lol... nevertheless... I just subscribed haha
Haha thanks man.
Your videos are great. But maybe do a time lapse here and there. While I appreciate learning the detail, sometimes I like to see end to end in 30 mins.
This would be my only complaint about Kyle. Dude is very detailed and work is high quality, but I just like to watch the work sometimes with no commentary!
Are you worried about the tread rubbing against the wall? Solid work as usual. Thanks for vid man!
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did i see the last tread had the glue from when you removed it.will it stain up now
Should have left an 1/8th inch space between treads and wall. Now they are going to rub against the wall when stepped on, and potentially squeak.
I remember helping my grandfather cut and attach points(triangular shapes) to stringers by toenailing them in place. Used scraps from the framing material. Surprisingly they held up pretty good. What are the size of the stringers and treads. Look expensive.
i like Kyle, he is very meticulous !!!
You're not concerned about a slight movement of the tread against the sidewall causing a squeak? I guess I'd have left a small gap or put something on the end of the tread to prevent squeaking.
Would pocket screws work for typical 5/4 hardwood threads? I have done a couple of stairs and always facescrew and glue in plugs
I have made the mistake of running my Kreg screws with an impact one too many times...I only run it with my drill/driver now and usually I adjust the clutch setting just to be safe
If you worried about the Kreg holes then you can get Kreg pine plugs which will conceal the hole.