The Community is WRONG About The F-15 | War Thunder
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- What BR do you think the F-15 deserves?
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the problem with f15 is the ppl who research it thinking that it will win the battles for them since it has 105kd just because its american, not because the pilots were well trained and were fighting some mig21s(yeah i love getting my kd on bots too)
I love how you had that enemy F-16 locked up for like 16km, it drops lock so the first sparrow is a dud, then the second one just switches to a friendly and kills him instead. Truly a missile of all time.
you should be my gf
it's weird how the sparrow will never track again once the lock is lost on an enemy but it will relock on friendlies. Happened me twice in f-4j and the friendly was even going cold and i turned the radar off right when i saw the radar locking on the friendly. Five seconds after I turned off the radar the sparrow killed the friendly and the enemy destroyed my aircraft while I was getting kicked off the lobby.
Happens all the time, how tf is a radar missile going for a plane that the radar is ignoring
@@datguy5699because gijan purposely nerfed sparrows when the f15 dropped specifically to make the flanker look beter
@@user-qr3oy7bf7r Source?
I wont deny that the sparrows have some real issues but its a joke to talk like you know anything about their reasoning while actually knowing simply nothing about it.
And Do you really believe the Flanker needed a nerf of other planes to look better😂😂😂😂
Dont fool yourself man it has 6 27ers and 4 r73. Its literally impossible to not see the Flanker as an absolute beast .
"War Thunder community is wrong about (Blank)" - is more common than one might imagine.
Except that they're not, these youtuber's just put these titles for clickbaits. There was another video by someone else on "sparrows working perfectly fine" and this guy on reddit complaining just had skill issue but there's literally many video proofs of 7M just completly going opposite direction from where it needs to go or missing very easy shot etc...! Not saying that community is always right, but more often than not, if they're complaining then there's something to it that needs to be explored rather than silenced by calling it "skill issue"
@INeatFreak if wt community got their way on absolutely everything, we will have an unbalanced mess of US-one sided massacre, because all they want is point and click
@@INeatFreak Hell I launched an AIM-7M from 40km once to scare an enemy and the missile went the whole other direction. Honestly I want the F-15C to come out with the AIM-120A AMRAAMs. It’s already outclassed due to the R-27ERs.
@@gtmike916 you shouldn't launch a sparrow at 40km though, I launched a 20km shot once to enemy at bottom right of me and the missile started going to top left and aimed at the sky, wanted to explore the space I guess.
@@INeatFreakBut they are. The average player is a base bombing ape that can barely find the flare key.
War thunder's fighter mafia putting F-15 at lower BR just for sake of it
Yup and continuing to not decompress BRs to what we want before Fox 3s r added
Murica bias
@@1NSANEx that’s why obj 292 is 10.0 but LOSAT is 10.3 rt
Russian bias is a joke if you look at the IS-2@@StealthyShot
@@Epic_candle thats why russia has experimental tanks but its not allowed for America and russia has had the best radar missile in the game for over a year now. Pls explain????
0:14 ok, i am not the only one who saw that “OF” 💀
hold on 💀
And for only 6 GE
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U onto smth💀
7P is naval thing only.
USAF used 7MH (h build) from late 80s onwards. MH had loft, improved eccm, lookdown capabilities and autopilot PN logic to conserve more energy throughout the flight
I really wonder whether or not gaijin really thinks statistics are a good way to balance vehicles or if they just don't give a damn anymore
Yea, you're right. I don't think they should use win/lose stats to balance.
If Gaijin waters down performance on a vehicle for "balance", we know the community will leak classified documents to say that Gaijin is wrong.
Probably in their best interest to be as accurate as possible for vehicle performance.
Mirage 2000 at the same br as the F-15 💀
@@2goober4uFrench Main Syndrome :(
@@Northern00 the chart25T got massacred
@@2goober4udon’t even remind me of my poor boy alongside the OBJ906 :(
Or the leclercs being objectively worse than the 11.3 Abrams and stuff
Very sad, at least the M2K-5F and Tiger HAD clear in GRB
But fr, I beg for MICA IR, Light tanks (gib EBRC Jaguar), and buffed mistrals
I'm an old F-15 Eagle crew chief and was stoked about the aircraft coming into my favorite game. The performance is good for the F15 but the Aim-7M's are NOT up to the task for a higher or even it's current BR. The reason is that everybody else at it's BR have radar weapons that actually work. Since the Eagle has come out the Aim-7m's only guide 'off the rail' about twice in 10 launches. They don't guide at all once launched. It'd be different if they actually worked but just couldn't connect because they didn't have the 'oomph' at what we call 'end-game' for the missile shot. No TWS for the APG63, that's just non-sensical. The F14 has it in both models and the APG63 was designed with it from the start. Having the Mig23ML I've found that THOSE missiles guide far better than anything I'm carrying on the F15, just because they actually try to guide off the rail and have a chance of hitting anything. This isn't so for the F15 Aim-7M's currently, not at all.
The amount of shit they leave out or change is funny
Literally neutered the F-111
Saying and posting documents as source
When you look in the document there is absolutely no mention of the nerf actually the opposite and it should of been buffed more
Even talking to previous maintainers and pilots
They could confirm that wasn’t right
@@crimzonempire4677M735 was erroneously nerfed, Gaijin admitted to the error, and then left it nerfed. They always gimp stuff because sekrit dokument comrad))))
You're incorrect about it having TWS from the start, but otherwise yeah. Not sure what Seek was on about with it clubbing MiG-23ML's, I've 1v6'd many times in my ML, including in my first ever match with it, against F-15's simply because their missiles all failed and none of mine did.
And to clarify, the APG-63 didn't have TWS; it had a system vaguely similar to the concept itself but completely different in practice and in layman's terms it was moreso a "multi-track" system than an actual TWS. Even in the PSP upgrade it doesn't have TWS as we know it, though its system would be close enough to simply give it that in-game if it got that radar. But ultimately it wouldn't actually do much for the aircraft in Air RB.
I’m just waiting for them to finally add the aim 7MH block II because then we’d at least get iog like the r24r and newer and datalink like the ER even if the missile performance isn’t actually better
@@lazylime8046 are you an old f15 crew chief?
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I suspect that Gaijin left the F-15A at 12.3 because the superseding 12.7 slot is reserved for the F-15C with AIM-120s, which is likely going to be added next patch. I actually think that's the main reason since the A definitely has 12.7 flight performance already, but there wouldn't be much reason to play it at that rating when the C-model is just a straight upgrade. I'm actually a bit dismayed at this, being a swedish main, since big twin-engine fighters are probably going to supplant the light fighter meta going forward. Lights might be a bit fun and ratty but the advantage of a heavy fighters combination of large missile loadout and good performance is a bigger factor in the end.
If you believe that, enjoy your dominance while it lasts, because im enjoying it in the JAS-39C too 😆
The br difference makes no difference when 11/10 matches will be 12.7 regardless. People over analyze the upwards Br shit and not really thinking about what it does to lower aircraft that get put into those full 12.7 lobbies
Thats not happening, ARHS are gonna be rolled out on a limited amount basis hence why next patch its going to be SMT, 16c etc with ARH missile buses coming later at 13.0.
@@TheIrishBreadI really don’t think Russia needs an ARH, ik that that the Russian cry babies will throw a hissy fit that “it’s not fair” etc etc but with how seriously broken the R-27 is they don’t need another longe range missile for the foreseeable future
dont forgot the gripen will get amraams in the near future so that isnt necessarily true that the light fighter meta will get supplanted by the heavy fighters with a better if not similar kit as the gripen
i'd rather radar slave aim 9ms than bother using sparrows
It really does work well. People never really expect it
it’s so stupid how the Sparrow seeker is worse than even the R-24R nowadays.
@@ariq4209had the 7m's unlocked for a while and can count on one hand the amount of times they've tracked. One dude was DIRECTLY in front of me and the missile pulled off to my ten o clock and flew straight towards the horizon. I hate this damn game...
Had better results with the 7f..😊
@@jonnybgoode7742 I had a wild moment last night where two sparrow shots, launched only 10 seconds between each other, acted wildly different from each other. Lemme ask you which missile you think tracked and hit:
A) Frontal Aspect PD lock, but target is close to ground and going evase, including attempting to dive into a river ravine.
B) Frontal Aspect PD lock, target is not low to ground and is higher than targeting aircraft, and isn't going evasive but rather flying traight toward targetting aircraft.
If you answered B, you're wrong. It was A. Somehow, that missile hit and got the kill, but the easier "B" missile shot not only didn't hit, it didn't even track on what is an optimal radar lock, preferring instead to just drift off in a straight line like it was a dumb fire rocket.
There is something seriously wrong with how they implemented the AIM-7Ms, because I never have these kinds of issues so often with other AIM-7 variants. Even E2s on the F-4E perform more reliably... _at low altitude._
I speak for the whole playerbase when I say that we need the SU-35S with R37Ms to counter the Aim-7
Nah I think you need at least the su57 Felon
Who’re you speaking for?
@@Casual7646Su27 ‘felon’ huh. Well let’s just change the flankers name to felon and boom, Su27 Felon
@@bappojappo-_-3986 ahahhahahahahhahahahhahahah. Lol i missclicked so hard
R37M ?
No it sould be the ASM-135 with a R37M as a last stage
F15A great plane but most of the pilots premium speds who will complain its bad because they never learned anything while grinding it
Wouldn't that be any toptier plane?
That doesn’t make it stand out from the M4K, Gripen, F-16, or SU-27.
That decal will be bought in an instant, gotta set my alarm up
So the F15 has one big issue for me: THE FRICKING WING RIP...every few games my wing just says bye bye
yeah that is something that still needs to be fixed unfortunately, other than that, its an incredible plane
The wing in question: 🧏♂️🤫
Don’t put boosters on if you have
you're taking too much fuel, if u try to make sharp turns or angles with more than 16 minutes of fuel it's probably going to rip
0:51 I got big Witcher 3 vibes or something like a mediaeval time from that song
It’s called Ace Combat Music
@@elkrumb9159 ah thank you
Are we that old guys? Are we to the point where Ace Combat music is ancient
It's called Daredevil, from Ace Combat 7
@@dnfluffles772 well I just never was to interested in war games except a Tom Clancy’s on the game cube when I was younger
they shoul push f15 to at least 12.7 and current 12.7 to atleast 13.0
I completely agree the F-15 has no business being at 12.3. Every time I get a downtier it's an absolute bloodbath and ive gotten a 9 kill game in it once.
Amazing growtht this channel has gone through, and well deserved at it too! I might get your decal as the first CZcamsr deceal I've ever gotten (played for 2 years without a decal)
Seek I wanna thank you not only for the amazing content you create but for the extensive amount of ac7 nostalgia you gave me from that intro
I think that if the F15A doesn't get Fox 3s it should at least get the Sparrow 7P to try to counteract the R27ERs features and performance.
the fact there is no Aim7P for, at the very least the datalink, is criminal. it would fix so many of the current f/m problems
I would say just give it it's BoL pods and 7Ps, along with the actual 90s ANG radar this ANG variant had irl, and then itd be good to go back to 12.7
@@weltall7283 honestly should just make the MISP upgrade a module
And give us the MH versions of the Aim-7 for better guidance, loft and datalink
Also pretty sure better inertial guidance
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The intro with the Ace Combat music was sheer perfection
Yet the mig29smt is 12.7 is really funny.
Almost like it dumpsters the F15 and 12.7 is as high as it can go
Mig29 smt is great, what do you want?
Can agree @@chortle7909
true
@@BugattiONE666It doesn’t dumpster the F-15 at all but it still shouldn’t be lower than 12.7
Hell yea congrats about the decal, cant wait to pick it up! Love your content :)
Awesome decal! Will be getting it for sure.
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been watching since you were like... at sub 10000 subs. been amazing to watch your channel and lee's grow since 2022.
It’s also the only would be 12.7 without HMD meaning aside from raw dogfighting and the 9Ms, it doesn’t really have the edge needed to push it to 12.7
how did you get that color on youer afterburner?
It looks amazing
that guy at the end eating 10 missiles in 2.6 seconds 💀
Still a joke it’s at 12.3. Should be 12.7. You just get the F-4S premium players who all they do is rocket bases up to top tier, fly out the F-15 and they wonder why they’re doing bad and cope about the plane being shit.
It’s got zero 12.7 capabilities: only 4 good missiles, no BVR capabilities thanks to the R-27ER being in game, no HMD, and doesn’t have good instantaneous AoA. Currently it’s just a F-16C with two less 9M’s, no HMD, and worse dogfight performance
@@Iden_in_the_Rain It is more than capable at 12.7 with meta being hug the ground to avoid Fox 1s and spam it your AIM-9Ms. I’ve never had issues with the F-15. Players just depend so much on planes that are as OP as the Grip and F-16C flight models to do good. Otherwise then bring the MiG-29 SMT and G down to 12.3 lol. With how 12.7 plays, the SMT and G are worse than the F-15.
@@Iden_in_the_Rainnah send it up
@@bwhittv1446 MiG-29SMT/G get R-27ER, 40G IRCCM IR missiles, and HMD - none of which the F-15 has any counter for.
Edit: Plus, if the meta is using IR missiles at low altitude, the F-15 only gets 4 of them. It would have the least number of any jet at 12.7, all without HMD to make more shots
@@Iden_in_the_RainIn RB the F15 off course under performs. However in SB its the pure opposite
Holy shit. That intro is fire and your decal is talking to my soul. ❤️🔥
“All call signs, check in”
“This is Poo Poo 2 standing by.”
"This is RamRanch 18 on standby"
Don't remember the exact order but I will say my favorite
"Pissjug 97 weapons hot"
I think at the moment the 12.3 BR makes sense for the F-15 any lower and itll curb stomp everything and if it goes to 12.7 itll get ER’d and outcompeted with HMD a lot, until fox 3s are added and maybe later models of F-15s with better armament its fair enough
How did you get that juicy afterburner? Isnt that different from default?
Why does the seek decal go so hard
The edit at the beginning was REALLY clean 😊
I have a question. Can I get the GE for war thunder on apple through any means at all?
Are you using some visual mod or any LUT the visuals on your WT looks stunning
Thats the coldest decal ever by any CZcamsr🥶🥶
I really like the decal, will be picking it up!
I felt that when your sparrow that had a solid radar lock still went for your teammate
Thats an amazing decal! You can be sure when it comes out I will buy a pack with this! 👍
Couldnt have said it better myself! Great video!! The best way to put it is there is no way R-60s on mig 23s go against 9ms. Never should happen
I would really like the F-15 but I seem to rip my wing in like 20% of my games and its extremely annoying. Is there any consistent reason it rips its wing bc most of the time, im only pulling like 8gs when it rips
Same thing happens to me in the Su-27 while mouse aiming the thing. It probably has to do with both having busted flight models (on both ends) while neglecting the structural integrity and G-limits of both aircraft.
That decal looks sick!
Flight performance doesn’t fucking matter if your wings rip off, or you get blown out of the sky 38 seconds after takeoff.
Top tier with the f15 is boring as hell because you have to kiss the ground until after the merge then hope to god half of your team is still alive to actually dogfight something.
You just suck
0:31 fricking ace combat 7 mission 19 music
bro get that decal going ima pick it up. That is cool
That decal is sick asf!!! I’ve never used the 3% thing but I definitely will get my hands on it!!!
That decal is CLEAN
F15 remaining 12.3 is still one of the dumbest decisions ive seen by gaijin. Easily second best top tier jet in game rn.. only thing above it is gripen because gripen is brain dead easy to fly. just imo a player diff keeping it low, lack of HMD is a poor excuse that barely effects it, now i would be fine as well with better radar missiles or simply fixing the radar missiles, also the aim7 just randomly hititng the mirage is WILD, ill be honest, i did forget how oddly disfunctional those missiles are
I feel it should stay at 12.3 until Aim-7Ms are fixed.
the only thing ive seen beat the F15 in a dogfight is the B Tomcat in a low speed engagement
Why does your Afterburner look so cool blueish? Even if i play on Film settings it doesnt look that way for me
This is probably niche but the use of the ace combat 7 campaign music at the start was class
Can't wait to use your decal
those cinematics go crazy
You introduced me to the orbital strike gameplay with the J-7E
I miss that meta...
Get the Gripen, very similar style
Only thing I hate about the F-15A is the AIM-7M's and no HMD, other than that the plane is good, sometimes you could also argue that the F-15A would be better in a certain situation over the F-16C
I would say the other issue with the F-15 is the wing rip issues. Bo other plane I've played wing rips the same ways and the amount of times the F-15 does
now that's a decal I'd buy
the general lee inspired intro lol, good video
General Lee, the inventor of cinematics
How on Earth did you install that custom afterburner? I have been trying to do that for a while now but I haven't been able to figure it out.
Idk it just comes with the skin
@@SeekerHead f
@@HEATSEEKR there is a mod for custom afterburners
Gaijin borking the F16C and MiG29 flight models is just sad tbh
You absolutely did that cinematic bit because of the cinematic documentary thing didn't you
Aight bro, I'm subbing just for that decal, you deserve it
I like flying the f16c more tbh and f16 has always been my favorite plane so that might have something to do with it
Could you post the link of your F15A skin? looks great!
Gaijin need to HIre those skin and afterburner makers, not to sell skins but to make the default skins for the planes
I love the f15, it was my favorite when i was a child when it was the top dog.
I play alot of sim so the tactic are a bit different.
your decal looks sick I will spend some money on WT again to get it
Isn't the f15 still gimped? Like it's acceleration should be 20% faster right?
great content bro. i personally dont mind the f15 being where its at tbh i feel like yes the dog fighting capabilities are exceptional but the chances of getting dog fights at above 11.0 is decreased significantly.
i like how the guy in chat is team killing lol
laughs in f104S with 2 sparrows and no gun
damn your decal looks cool af
How did you get the afterburner to look so good?
Custom user skin
What afterburner mod is that?
7:38 Correct me if I am wrong but I believe that the best production fox1 that the f15 can carry is the aim7mh
Edit: I am wrong
That's a theoretical capability, the MH is a navy missile and the F-15 never actually used it. Some people think it may work but there's nothing solid.
I’m pretty unsure about all the late sparrows myself
@@GeneralLee2000P is naval, MH was used by usaf
@@honzavasicek both MH and P are naval, you have a source for MH being used by the USAF? All the manuals go straight from M to AIM-120 for the USAF...
@@GeneralLee2000 maybe because H is upgrade of existing M, not new missile. Its same deal as with 120C1/2/3 etc... They are still Cs only. Until C5, they had same hud symbology where identification for C5 changed due to different engine.
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In absolute majority of cases. H build sparrow is M because it is M. Especially during 90s when Ms were converted. Doesn't matter if usaf made a switch to 120. Sparrow equipped eagles were normal deep into 90s. When they got 7F, phantoms were flying with 9J-1/2s and 7E3s up to 80s. F16As with 9J were absolute normal occurrence even though there were 9Ls available because replacing whole arsenal takes years and you use what you have.
Just discovered your channel. Subscribed specifically so i can get your decal for my American Lineup
best decal award goes to u sir
can you not use radar slaved fox2's with vertical scan in WT? that gets you a lot of HOB capability back if you don't have a HMCS
btw the AIM-54 was buffed quite a bit i think you should take another look at it
Do you have a link for that skin, Seek? It's dope
decal looks awesome
Bro that decal goes hard
Which afterburner mod is this?
can someone please explain to me why gaijin cant make a matchmaker that only puts you in proper br games?
That cinamatic made me feel so proud being an American.
Congratulations on your Decal bro 😁
where you get the real afterburner mod?
I wish i could love this plane since it one of my favourite, but the stock grind for this damn thing was so ass i have to GE my way through the sparrow and 4 9L just so i can actually do something in the constant up tiering to 12.7 (that being said i am in no mean a great player and i fly f16c way more often so there's that)
That's our our trigger!
Ace combat Soundtrack makes me cry happy tears 🥺
The ace combat intro bro 🔥
The current F-15A is basically a Phantom Pro Max. Even a better radar with tws would make it more suitable in 12.3.
I disagree about the sidegrade, I personally believe it is a downgrade/upgrade depending on ones playstyle. If you play agressively, go into the furball then the f16 wins easily in that perspective, just because you don't have to fuck up your flight direction to point a missile which in most cases gets you killed when you fly fast which is one of the main advantages of the f15 so in furball dogfights it sucks - which is most of the playerbase, fly off runway fight die.
If you play the f15 in the way you do fly high avoid whatever you can and the focus on cherry picking each enemy, then yes it is superior to the f16 but only under the condition that your team doesn't completely demolish the enemy or the other way around, then you just get stuck with one kill and 40 clicks away from the team. Only really rarely do I see lobbies where the furball ends with even number of players afterwards. Usually it just ends in a 14 vs 2 and then ur either left for dead to the 14 enemy players on to you now or have nothing to do but to speed up to the last enemies in hopes you'll get yourself another kill. - which in the f16 you wouldn't do because the 9ms are just superior in close range even head on to the sparrow sometimes.
That’s gotta be the hardest decal I’ve ever seen. You know if it’s possible to get it on console?
I’ll look into it, I’m unsure
@@SeekerHead Alright. I did some looking into it myself and it looks like it is possible.
i am just not good at heavy airframe and thats the reason why i have 70 deaths and only 10 kills
I have a K/D of 8 or thereabouts on my F-104S.ASA. But to me F-15 feels SO BAD. Mainly because of the weaponary i think but something abour it just feels off