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About: The Lebron James vs Michael Jordan debate has been going on for quite some time now and in this video from @DANGERProductions2020 we talk about whos the GOAT between Lebron & Jordan and we talk about should the debate stop or keep going Lebron fan breaks down his opinion on the debate this is the best Goat comparison that has been out so far.
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I tried to remain as unbiased as possible but this video he makes a lot of good points as to why Jordan is the GOAT and there are some points in the video you can argue but this is the BEST GOAT video i have seen so far!
I actually wish he hadn’t took so many shots at Lebron. His points are valid enough not to need pictures of Kobe and Jordan looking like they were laughing at him.
You cracked me up with your justifications for Lebron, especially his terrible jump shooting.
You seemed like you were trying to convince yourself, that Lebron is the GOAT, my guy😂😂😂 You just watched the fact sheet!
Every time a poll that comes out, MJ is always voted THE GOAT!
@@michaelwhite3607 but he put him in mt Rushmore than kobe.
KD wasnt there until 2017. Beating 2016 warriros was kd free.
There is one category which wasn't accounted for that makes a big difference, leadership. Jordan like him or not drove every teammate to play better consistently.
Yes he did.
They say LeBron is a better leader than MJ just because he passed the ball more “He makes his teammates better” but that's not how leadership works, leadership is being a good example on the court and on practice to your teammates not just giving them easy basket that doesn't make them better.
Well, does it really matter if it's 4-1 or 5-1?
@@SEIZU23 Does that include flopping?
Yup jordan demanded it, wouldn't take anything less
You spent the whole time making excuses brother 😂😂🍺
He was beatboxing the whole time.
Facts
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Bro, it's not a weakness if you don't need it. MJ didn't need 3s to either win or dominate. Had Lebron made his free throws consistently you may have had a significantly different outcome of games.
Jordan’s legacy isn’t hurt by the magic loss because after playing a full season, he came back and swept that same magic team. Which proves that it was rust. It’s not just about points. It’s also about defense and IQ on both ends of the court
Who's IQ is higher than lebron??
@@productivecitizen2066 Jordan's.... I mean you asked... LOL
@@productivecitizen2066 For sure Magic and Bird. Jordan has an argument too but you have to see Jordan made the right plays with his abilities in mind. You don't pass the ball as often if you are the better shooter. Lebron passed it more often because he often times isn't the better shooter.
@@AX5Terminator exactly only the goat realizes and admits that and makes the best play.
They not only swept them, they destroyed them.
Likewise, when us “old heads” that express a preference for Jordan’s GOAT case (or Kareem’s), it not hating on Lebron. It’s just that many of us have been watching the game long enough to see Kareem play when he was still very good, and MJ’s (and LBJ’s) entire career. Despite being a Southern boy, I grew up a Bad Boys Pistons fan and saw how good guys like MJ, Bird, Magic, etc were.
And what kind or an argument is “if not for Pippen . . .?” Yeah, he was a great Robin to Jordan’s Batman and a big part of why Pip and others flourished with the Bulls is because of how hard Mike pushed them. Mike had sidekicks and James hand-picked other A-listers to get his rings.
Michael didn’t have a stacked team like what LeBron has. The only person in both of those 3peats is Scottie. If u wanna add Dennis Rodman to that then…Scottie had over a year to do something by himself. I’m from Chicago so we ain’t feelin Scottie cuz of that bullshit he wrote saying he LET Jordan be the leader and that he is the actual GOAT! We embraced Scottie and then he turns around and do that to MJ and shit on the fans and our legacy as Bulls fans. So no, Chicago ain’t feelin Scottie right now. SORRY about my Scottie rant when we talking about LeBron.
"Jordan had sidekicks and LeBron had A listers." That's a beautiful breakdown bro.
FACTZ
Thank you Rodger Austin for saying everything you said
I see a ton of people mistake "Favorite players" for "GOAT" Like my favorite player of all time was Larry Bird but MJ is the GOAT without a shred of doubt to me. I understand that saying MJ is the GOAT is not in any way saying Larry Bird was a garbage player. Too many people have the mentality of "If you dont think my favorite player is the best then you are insulting them and directly attacking me."
I give you credit for doing your best to be unbiased. Jordan’s 3 was not a weakness though because it couldn’t be exploited to put his team at a disadvantage. I’ll just point out as well that Jordan has a higher 3pt % in the finals. He’s over 35% there. That’s clearly not a weakness.
Right. An average 3pt shot is not a weakness. A bad ft shot is a weakness.
@@JulioAldana1977 I also wish they had the advanced stats for his Chicago years showing where he shot from. A high percentage of his threes were actually end of the quarter throw aways. I'd like to know the exact percentage though.
Facts.
MJ is the GOAT by a mile, whoever is second is nowhere close
Yeah he’s more around the four or five range I’m still struggling whether I wanna put him over bird or not. Because if we go prime for prime Larry Bird was definitely better than LeBron and so is Magic Kareem and Bill Russell. People just want to pretend like LeBron is automatically a top 2 all-time player
Kobe is better than Lebron.
@@electric8668 that's what I've been saying. How can LeBron be the goat when he isn't even the greatest Laker of all time
@@jay_mel_2399 Exactly A LeBron v Kobe debate makes more sense than trying to manufacture GOATNESS by social media to dethrone Jordan. Jordan is simply untouchable.
Kobe vs LeBron isn’t close at all in my opinion like there’s nothing Kobe does better than LeBron when you look at numbers and everything
I think people don’t remember about MJ is during the playoffs against the blazers, they said his 3 pointers were a weakness so they dared him to shoot 3s. He came out game 1 6/6 on 3s just to prove a point and did the shrug. What happened to Lebron when the spurs dared him to shoot? He didn’t do a damn thing lol.
You can't say 33% for MJ was a weakness in an era where they didn't shoot 3's, but Lebron at 34% is not a weakness in a league where the 3 matters. That makes no sense.
In any era LBJ shoots better from 3
@@JoeMama-ly1kc as long as you admit lebron is a below average 3 point shooter.
I guess if you really had to come up with a weakness it would be 3 pointing shooting. Back then the coaches often discouraged 3 point shooting as all players had their roles so it is hard for any player like Jordan get into a rhythm especially if you shot only two in a game. But todays players they jack up so many threes so that explains why today's players have better statistically average.
Right? If we up their statistics to to see the point reason. Mj shooting 100% fg% and 3s at 50%. 50% is low in comparison to his 100% but not necessarily against the others. So it's not really a weakness.
@@JoeMama-ly1kc false. On same attempts they shoot identical in Reg season, & amateur basketball, had no 3 point line until 1987. That means Jordan before the nba, never had the 3 point line available for any 1 full season of his basketball career, before he paid $ to play basketball. I don’t think Lebron ever played as an amateur without a 3 point shot available.
It boggles my mind that anyone who has watched “MJ’s ultimate highlights” or “Rare Voyager” highlight videos can still believe Lebron is the superior basketball player
2 me it's not that close
Mayb some players didn't have the longevity but there have been so many gr8s n the league
Isiah.Duncan & Kobe just get skipped over. Duncan has only lost once n the Finals but he played n a system that sacrificed his numbers.Kobe,Garnett,Hakeem,A.I,Mcgrady,Penny,Vince,Shaq,Wade n his prime was more complete
It's because these youngsters are emotionally attached to LJ, he's THEIR hero as they never really got the chance to see TRUE greatness. Anyone who can claim LJ is better than Jordan can not be taken seriously. Here's a cold hard fact, we will never hear "he/she is the LeBron James of xxxxx". Unless of course we're talking about an ego maniac who calls THEMSELVES the GOAT as he misses free-throws, rests on defense, masters the soccer flop, and quits on their team when they are losing. Really??? The 🐐 or maybe just an 🐑
Jordan is the greatest by far and it’s not even close bro. Stop it. One guy played with a total of 10 all star players who made all star teams. The other player with a total of 93 all stars who played in all games. Guess who that was?
PREACH!
10? What 10?
More like 3
Jordan is the GOAT, no weaknesses. LeBron is #2 of all time.
Pippen was the only all star, drafted by the Bulls that actually "played" with his Airness. Rodman was an all-star in 90' & 92' with the Pistons. I hope you are not considering the Wizards' Jerry Stackhouse. State facts not exaggeration.
Dude you should watch it again to hear all the important things you missed while talking over it. That might give you a greater understanding why Jordan is the GOAT.
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This is by far the hardest reaction video I've ever watched, every important point that he didn't understand he talked right through while the rest was being explained. one very important point is the huge difference between MJ losing to Bird & Lebron losing to the warriors is it was early in MJ's career & he was still putting up huge numbers, 63 pts in one game, 150 pts in the 3 game series & lost all 3 games. Lebron was a veteran. It took MJ a while to get there but once he did nobody beat him. To me it goes by who I want taking the last shot & I'd pick a bunch of guys before I'd pick James. Getting to the finals don't mean much when you don't show up. Prime Lebron with Dwade & Chris Bosh got beat by a team older than any team you Lebron fans say MJ beat. The statement I really don't understand is the one about Lebron making his teammates better. Its from the same people that say it's a team game when you bring up MJ being 6-0 in the finals. So the team led by MJ made it to the finals 6 times MJ stepped up on the biggest stage & won EVERY time & got finals MVP all 6 times. Lebron on more one occasion got outplayed in the finals. It would be one thing if it was against a all star but getting outplayed by a 32 yr old roll player removes his name from the conversation.
The reason we think it’s silly for people to think Lebron is the goat is because we’ve seen both, and when you see both it’s easy as hell to tell which one is better. I mean this dude had a three peat, left the game, came back and had another three peat. What the hell else you want him to do lol?
Please don't mind them, some people just prefer to follow the unpopular ways for personal reasons.
If you want to say LeBron is your favorite player all time, I’m all for it. If you want to say he even belongs in the GOAT conversation, I just can’t get there in my brain. He literally can walk up to the basket sometimes these days and throw it down defense now is basically non existent. Everyone hangs around the perimeter. No one bangs. Jordan was called the best ever by most people by his 3rd year in the league. Even his peers say he is the best they have ever seen. All timers say this. It’s not close between Jordan and number 2 all time. If you want to argue Bron’s spot for #2, I’ll debate that. Not the GOAT though. I’ve seen both of their whole careers. It’s just not close.
I noticed you didn't listen to what he said at the beginning, bcuz he said Lebron only played 82 games twice in his whole career, that's way before the Spurs were instituting the "load management" on their players.
Lebron knows how to preserve his body 20 years and counting, that's all my guy.
P.s Get out yo feelings about the truth man 🤣
MJ played an 82 game season at 40.
@@creditorclass6513 There was no coach, at the time, that was going to tell Mike to sit down a game to rest lol.
MJ played in 78 games or more every season except for 2. 1986 when he broke his foot, and 1995 when he returned from baseball. If love for the game was a measurable stat MJ would win that category too
@@fckyll231 You mean the coach he hired too lol, trudat.
I mostly noticed how much you wanted to defend lbj but knew you couldn't. That in itself should say a lot.
You have to understand, the longer Lebron plays the lower his scoring average will become. Because of age, he may soon start averaging 18 ppg in the next couple of years. Jordan averaged 32 ppg after his run with the Chicago Bulls. In fact, his scoring average dropped to 30 ppg after his final retirement. If you really want to know what made Michael Jordan unguardable, you should check out the 10 part series "Microskills Michael Jordan". The producer of the series is a NBA trainer who breaks down MJ's complete game to the smallest degree.
The thing to do is take the peak 10 or 12 seasons of each guy and compare those.
@@Says_me If we used his first 10 seasons as his peak years, Jordan would average 34 to 35 points with 1.2 blocks per game. He was the Bulls' best shoot blocker doing those years.
I think in LeBrons case, his scoring will go up. He has decided that doing his part to help win is over and he is raining down three point attempts. It is a really bad strategy at his percentage and skill level but it will lengthen his personal career and boost his stats.
try watching johnny arnet videos. 10 5 peak years for every peep considered as goat
Lebron also plays in the "he touched me thats a foul" era. Jordan's era when they touched you it could be a clothes line, wrapping you up and slamming you to the ground, you name it. Something really scary to think about would be Bird playing with todays rules.
I have a statement. You aren't unbiased when u stopping the video to explain why LeBron wasn't doing good. And I say that with no malice. A players game speaks for itself. I'm not tearing down LeBron but it is what it is. This man is spitting checked facts regardless of who he is a fan of.
Jordan at 38-40 years old on the Wizards defensively transformed that team from having the 2nd worst defenses in the league to at points one of the best before his injury. So even at 38-40 Jordan still hustled on defense while Lebron has been inconsistent these last few years.
Jordan PROVED he can shoot 3s if he wanted to. On the BIGGEST stage, NBA Finals, he set the,then record, for 3s in the NBA Finals. 6three pointers in a half and in the finals. Finishing with 7. Plus Jordan explained he doesn’t look for the 3 pointers because it will take away from the rest of his game, which was an all around masterpiece
I feel you're being stubborn for stubborn sake, the stats and facts in the video are irrefutable.
The person stated that Lebron shoots 36% from outside of 3ft, 3.5 shots out of 10 that he takes from further than 3ft makes it in the basket. As well as with 10 sec left on the clock, with chance to tie or win the game Lbj makes only 20% of his shots. Yet directly after hearing that you say, "I still think Lebron's only weakness is free throw shooting."
Lbj can still be your favorite player of all time and you can have Mj as your G.O.A.T.
Nice. They have no other choices or facts regardless. They have to swallow that pill bro.
Exactly I get he trying to defend his fav player but you just can’t in that scernario that’s just denying facts
@@cursin I told this dude that Kobe shoulda been in that goat debate and not lbj and this fool said why should he be in the argument when he wasn't any better than flops a lot and MJ. I told him that what he said was foul and disrespectful. He shit all over his legacy bro! I said that Magic is a better player than LeBron. He was done after that.
Exactly! The facts are all laid out. Some people just choose not to accept them. MJ was on another level, GOAT.
@@murahsingleton3105 Kobe's easy to eliminate from the GOAT debate because his game is so similar to MJ's but not quite as good across the board. Almost every attribute Kobe was great at, Jordan did it as good or better. An all-time great passer, 3pt shooter, traditional center, etc. might have a voice in the conversation because they do better than MJ at the things they're great at. Not trying to dis Kobe, he's tied for 3rd in my top 5.
Jordan’s 3-point was his weakest part, but it was not a weakness compared to his peers. He was just average. But Lebron’s FT and and beyond 3-ft isn’t average like Jordan’s 3s. They are below average which does make it a weakness of Lebron. He was weak compared to his peers.
I actually think the longer Lebron plays his average per game stats is going to get worst. His stats will go up only if you look at cumulative stats which is longevity. Like you said, defensively, he is already in decline in his later years.
Exactly like you said
The thing about the Bulls 95 loss to the Magic is that, even a Magic star, Penny himself said that Jordan was rusty, and that the Magic took full advantage of it. If the Magic star himself said that, who are us to say that Jordan was in basketball shape that season?
Jordan stayed with the same team, I never went in depth comparing the two, Lebron switching teams out of convenience and building super teams around him with the heat and then the lakers, that settles it for me right there. Everyone knew what to expect from the bulls, the players and what not and he still went 6-0
When his 2nd 3peat kicked off he was noticeably elite at the midrange. Coaches even started daring him to go back to slashing to the rim because he was so lethal. When he drove you at least had the chance of putting him on his ass. The midrange was also adjusted to where was leaning back and nobody could touch it.
I think he started working on his mid-range...AND...fade away jump shot 1-2 yrs before his first 3-peat.
@@lennny98 True. But during 2nd 3 it was more lethal and pronounced. It was weapon #1, he just put a defender in that torture dungeon immediately. George Karl and Stan Van Gundy used to try to bait him into being the slasher he was during 1st 3peat.
@@creditorclass6513 Good point
MJ with Scottie, lost to Pistons, 1988, 89, 90,. Pippen avg 12 points. MJ didn’t trade Scottie.
Lol. Very true! Scott and MJ fought hard and once they started beating the hell out of the bad boy piston they never look back. I’m pretty sure Thomas regretting what they did to MJ because he missed the Dream Team. So yeah you are absolutely right. MJ never ever once gave up on his teammates. He just hold on to them and whoop their asses in practice.
Scottie was still in training all that time.... Scottie joined in 96 i think and mj made him into the defensive force of nature after a few years
@@fitzroymarcano4565 What? Scottie joined the Bulls in 1987.
Also Scottie wasn’t a better defender. There were plenty of times Jordan and Scottie switched their matchups because Scottie was getting burnt and Jordan would switch with Scottie and lock his man up. Defensive assignments at the start of games were matchup based. And then adjustments were made afterwards
And when Jordan would get cooked they would put Scottie on them?
@@OnAirWithDBlair Man, you keep making yourself look as foolish as Jameis Winston outside an Angry Crab Shack waiting for Uber. Jordan had the faster twitching muscles which granted him the superior reflexes, hand-eye coordination, quickness and lateral movement. Only thing Pip had over Mike was length.
Alex English, who I'm sure you have no idea who he is, is a hall-of-famer and one of the greatest scorers the league has ever seen. A reporter once asked him who was a better defender between MJ and Pip. Alex told reporter when they played Bulls he cooked Pip for 20 pts. in first half and he heard MJ was livid at Pippen for allowing English to go off. MJ told Pip he'd check the 6'8 English in second half - a half that Alex only scored 4 pts. If you sincerely think Pippen was a better perimeter defender than Mike then you should not be reacting to b-ball.
@@OnAirWithDBlair what about when Jamal Mashburn cook Pippen with 50 points fella? What about when Bird, Dominique, Dantley, Grant Hill, Glen Robinson, Worthy all cooking Pippen fella? Go study up fella because nba2k is not reality fella lol
@@OnAirWithDBlair who cooked jordan 😂😂😂😂
@@kylonp7311 took the words out of my mouth
In the second three-peat as Jordan’s athleticism was leaving him, he became primarily a post player and he dominated offensively down in the post. Better than Hakeem? Hard to say, but he was still the best offensive weapon in basketball.
STATS as of today:
CAREER - Bottom line:
MJ scored more, turned it over less, stole the ball more, more offensive rebounds, and blocked the same as LJ…led league in points 10x and steals 3x...played in all 82 games 8x and 80+ 10x
Lebron has more assists, total/defensive rebounds but turned it over more, blocked the same as MJ - led the league in assists once and in points once…played in all 82 games 1x and 80+ 3x
So would you rather have MJ, an unstoppable scorer who turned it over less, got more steals, more offensive rebounds, same blocks, and led the league in darn near everything and plays ALL 82 games and plays ALL OUT in each game? and WINS CHAMPIONSHIPS but only for 13yrs*...or Lebron, a guy who gives more assists, def rebounds, same blocks, but doesnt play every game, takes a lots of plays off to "rest" and wins sometimes....but he'll do that for 20yrs...
MJ is the goat....period...Lebron is talented but most of the categories he has over MJ is longevity...not that longevity is a bad thing, but just because you do something for 20yrs doesn't mean you were the BEST at it...MJ is at the top of stats that dont even have anything to do with his position LOL
Look at these stats...MJ has the better offense/defense career numbers and did it in less time (300 games less) AND this INCLUDES his Wizard years where he was 38/39yrs old and basically an on court coach and not focused on being the usual dominate MJ. Lebron has more assists/total blocks but has had 300 more games to do it in...
Season G MP FG FG% 3P 3PA 3P% 2P 2PA 2P% eFG% FT FTA FT% ORB DRB TRB AST STL BLK TOV PTS
MJ Career 1072 *38.3 *11.4 0.497 0.5 1.7 0.327 10.8 21.2 0.51 0.509 *6.8 *8.2 *0.835 *1.6 4.7 6.2 5.3 *2.3 *0.8 *2.7 *30.1
LJ Career *1366 38.2 9.9 *0.505 1.6 4.5 *0.346 8.3 15.1 *0.552 *0.545 5.7 7.8 0.734 1.2 *6.3 *7.5 *7.4 1.6 *0.8 3.5 27.1
Problem is. The difference is big. 3pt shot of mj vs lebron is only 1%. On freethrow%, it's huge. In midrange, is also huge. And in 0 to 3 feet. It's not much. I bet mj can be just as big. He has a smoother dunk and better in layups. If his era has wider defense on the paint. It's just gonna get higher.
If you think Jordan's weakness is the 3 point shot at 33% then you have to say it's a weakness for Lebron at 34% too. The difference is Lebron practiced shooting 3s a lot more than Jordan because the league rules calls for it. If Jordan was playing today he would practice the 3 more and be good at that too.
Lebron could have really used one year in college in a teaching environment. Some of the mental glitches, spotty defense and free throw problems get cleaned up.
Lebron is not a malleable player. College would've changed nothing because they would have catered to him. He also can't play off the ball.
To answer your question, Hakeem definitely had the best post game, and he was also the best defender of the era. Jordan was top 3 in those categories tho. He just happened to play in a league with Hakeem. If Jordan played in this era he’d by far be the best defender and post game scorer in the league.
yeah i agree with this 100% Jordan probably had the 2nd best and was top 3 defender but i am looking at some Hakeem highlights and his defensive number and stuff was INSANE!
If we’re talking about strictly who’s the best basketball players to ever play, ignoring stats and championships. To me Hakeem is a top 5 player of all time if not top 3 behind Jordan and Lebron. He just had the misfortune of playing his career during 5 of the 7-8 greatest dynasties of all time. He played in the Showtike Laker Era, the Larry Bird led Celtics era, and the bad boy Pistons era in the 80’s. In the 90’s, when he hit his peak had to play during the Bulls dynasty. And in the early 00’s, had to play in the Shaq-Kobe led lakers dynasty. All this while only playing with 1 all star for 2 season his entire 18 year career. Which was Ralph Sampson, and let’s be real, Sampson was good but nothing to brag over: That’s why his ring count isn’t anywhere near as much as it should be if he had help like other all time greats did. So rings is the worst way to make a conclusion of how good Hakeem was when you consider context. That said, Hakeem had two of the top 5 most difficult playoff runs ever, and the most difficult playoff run in NBA history when he had to beat three 60-win teams just to make the finals, while having to play a damn near 60 win Shaq-Penny-Grant led Magic team that beat Jordan and the bulls in 5 games… and swept them! Hakeem to me is the best defender of all time over Bill Russel by virtue of competition, he played in the golden age of big men, while Bill only really went up against Wilt. And Hakeem is the best post scorer of all time, and has the best footwork of all time. And imo is the 2nd best two way player ever only behind Jordan.
With that being said, I would recommend you watch
“Hakeem Olajuwon- Scoring Skills”
Most Hakeem highlight videos aren’t very good but this is the best one that really show how good Hakeem was.
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Yep MJ and Hakeem post players in history nobody worked the post like them
I find it hard to say Hakeem was better and I loved watching that man play. They were just different in their approaches to the post, areas that they attacked, and were both deadly in their own right. Two of the best ever.
Thing video misses:
Spurs dared lebron to shoot as a strat when they saw it as his weakness. And it worked.
Same was done against Jordan.
Think it was trailblazers. They summed up that 3pts was Jordans weakness. So they dared him to shoot the 3.
That was where the famous 3s of jordan came from. The gamble didn't work. They dared him. And so he cooked.
Why it was only a weakness because he rarely did it. Said in interview after that, he doesn't want it to be a strength.
It bored him.
*Trailblazers
@@michaelinkpen4188 thanks
@@DEMONITION1723, yep zero worries.
The defensive argument you give is not correct. LeBron lazy defense became evident his second go around with Cleveland. And it had much less to do with age but effort. You could tell he wasn't putting in the effort a lot of times and that is the difference. Trying and failing is different than failing because you didn't try. The fact we can make highlight reels if the times he's standing on one side of the court watching his team play defense is damning. How do you get upset losing by a point or two when you weren't there to help defend? Remember LeBron hasn't made a defensive team since Miami.
You have to lead by example. I remember Steve Kerr once said that when they watched how hard MJ played on defense that it inspired them to give same effort even though they were less talented. Wasn't it just a couple of years ago that a young and impressionable Kuzma had to literally push Bron to play defense?
That's cause Pat Riley wasn't having any of that bs of "resting on defense to have more energy on offense'.
Let's just put it this way. In a tougher era, in a shorter time, Michael Jordan won more. The only reason why the 3 point shot was not a highlight for him is because he didn't want the other parts of game to suffer and just wait out on the 3 point line. Best offensive player and arguably the best defender game in game out.
MJ played 17 games of 164, 47 win Bulls lost to 57 win Magic. Bron played 156 games of 164, 66 win Cavs, lost to 59 win Magic who were missing all star starting guard Jameer Nelson the entire series, who also had Dwight Howard fouled out of 3 games, 2 of which the Magic won, JJ Reddick one of the Magic’s shooters, missed 5/6 games, & Lebron was awarded 94 free throws in 6 games, 3 less than the 97 Wade in 2006 finals was awarded, & Lebron still lost, with the nba best record. Jordan has never lost a series to teams with less regular season wins than his. Also every 57 win Jordan team, or better, have an nba title to show for those seasons, but Lebron’s 66, 61, & 58 win teams, all do not have a ring, and all lost to teams who won less regular season games than those.
Another argument for Jordan is that he did not have to go "team hopping" to get his 6 rings
Jordan retired from the bulls at 37, lebron is 37 now so those defensive stats are accurate. And stop it with the MJ 3 point weakness. We all know the greatest mid range shooter of all time would be fine shooting the 3 in todays era. To compare differen players in different eras you gotta imagine them playing in the same era based on what info you have
Jordan retired from the Bulls at 36
its clear as day. Facts facts and analytics. This is the best video of facts and analytics. A single game doesn't define your career or make you the goat LOLOL . Lebron was in the Leastern conference look at it. You even hesitated. This guy is spitting facts. Jordan did play top teams in finals . the Utah jazz are not easy? You to caught up on current day. Talking GS .. who is covering Jordan? These teams now are soft bro. Come on. Jordan came back at the end of the season from baseball. Seriously. Better find better things to come up with . btw, this is about analytics and stats which is what you wanted. Quit talking through the video.. Plus, as you didn't listen, Lebron only play a full 82 games twice in his career. You said it, you laughed at lebrons free throws, how can he be a goat on that LOL . You getting upset or laughing at all the things that go Jordan's way. Jordan all around was better. lebron is not a pleasure to watch. Scotty wasn't a better defender. When scotty couldn't cover someone or having issues, what did they do. They put Jordan on him. Hakeem is a center. Jordan is a GUARD. How many guard post people up. Ill wait .... none.. that is why he is the best at the post. For a player that has the ball all the time, HOW can you be considered the goat when you cant shoot a free shot? LOL. SO, he points out that lebron is weak on defense or inconsistent and you stop the video to make an excuse for him?????? he said at one time he did good on defense but LOL at the clips he shows of lebron just standing there. You cant even comment on it you stuttered like 3 times LOL . Just because it doesn't favor Lebron. you completely ignored the shooting % part. Freeeze the damn video then if you are doing something or its obvious you didn't want to pay attention. Very frustrating. How can you say anything on FACTS of STATS on Lebron's shooting percentage? Most all his shots were within 3ft LOLOL and there he had , like anyone , a high percentage. Outside of that, i thought he was the goat? I would think he was a "shooter" but it shows he is NOT along with being a terrible free throw shooter. Show me one amazing shooting guard or forward with a bad free %.. They don't exist. Now you are making more excuses for him. The amount of excuses you are making for the supposed GOAT actually makes it easy to prove he isn't the goat. The video host is spitting facts and shooting. Another weakness of Lebron. Lebron is in a hype generation of youth and media, simple as that. HE DOESNT shoot a better 3 .. WTF were you watching when he talked about 3 pointers. Jordan didn't need to take a 3 pointer to drop 40 pts on someone unlike this generation. He took a three pointer if he was open for it. Doesn't make lebron better. You skip over the comparison of Jordan season shooting better than curry, Durant , lebron, Kobe all of them. That generation didn't take 3 pointers.. WAKE UP. If Jordan couldn't shoot till later on why did he average , during those years 34+ pts a game and still shot in the 40% Fg range. Don't even try and say lebron is clutch. Jordan had no weaknesses as Kevin Durant has said. The 3 pointer was not, it was a choice and he shot the average of others and it a couple seasons shot better than them all. Lebron is losingggggggggggggg. He is looking for another team to go to and stack. Curry turned him down. Luca brushed James off. For the mere fact around the world when people want to compare someone in a sport, or doing something they always say, " He is the Michael Jordan of xxxxx" he is the Michael Jordan of Skiing. He is the Michael Jordan of swimming.. They don't say LEBRON. But after watching all this and someone really laying it out for you and you just cant admit it wasn't even close and Jordan is the goat, i wish you luck in the prism you view life through. Bottom line, you wanted stats and not legacy. He showed how much Jordan crushed lebron on stats. That should have been it, Jordan is the GOAT ... RIGHT? but no.. Just remember the Gatorade commercial , " Want to be like MIKE" .. What is funny is at the end , you go straight back to the stats. LMAOOOO That whole video of STATS and ANALYTICS and you run back to the stats where Jordan won even to this DAY Jordan wins and did all he did in 12 years LMAO..... Im out.... cant deal with it.. As i said, " I'm glad you are love with lebron but he is not only not the goat he is NOT a better basketball player. Deal with it. He can be your favorite and you can have an opinion , but when facts and evidence are presented, OPINION is out the door simple as that .
You said you were going to try to stay unbias, but there were a few points you tried to make that were clearly bias.
You said that LJ's defense started to suffer as he got older. I point out 2011 in the Playoffs when LJ got worked all series by a 30+ year old roll player. LJ was young back then. LJ has been known to break down on defense way too often his entire career.
You keep pointing to the 3 point %, but LJ was only 1% better than Jordan. And that's not even the whole story. MJ said during an interview that he doesn't want to get good at 3 pointers because he doesn't want to be sitting on the perimeter waiting on a pass, it would take him out of his game. So MJ never practiced the 3 pointer. LJ on the other hand plays at a time where the 3 pointer is a much more important part of the game. If he's not practicing the 3 pointer, he should be. And again, career stats LJ is only 1% better than MJ.
One more thing to mention before really getting to the bottom line is longevity. The rules today protect players, LJ never had to go through wars like MJ did. Wars that shortened his career because of the damage his body had to take. That's just the way it is. In today's league MJ would have a much longer career. Any player from his era would. I'll try to find a video to post so you can see what I'm talking about. Watch it and then answer these questions. 1. Did LJ ever have to go through a war like that? 2. Would LJ still be playing at his age if he had to go through wars like that every year, year after year?
OK, so here's the bottom line.
LJ is less than 75% at the line.
LJ is well under 40% when 3 foot or more from the rim
LJ is only 20% in the clutch
LJ breaks down on defense a lot (all through his career)
With that many holes in his game, how can you even bring him up in the GOAT conversation?
Can he catch Mike? Yes. Will he catch Mike? No
3 reasons. Practice, practice, practice. LJ wants it handed to him on a plate, he doesn't want to work for it.
I couldn't find a good video of the Pistons fouling Jordan hard, but just go look at those playoff games. And it wasn't just against the Pistons.
I did find this video that I thought was pretty funny though, and it shows some of the hard fouls from that era & some of LJ's flops. I think this shows why careers were so much shorter back then than they are today.
czcams.com/video/-4FXq8061gI/video.html
Having a "I'm not biased" intro just make people look for your biases.
Which you had plenty in the video. You either "conveniently" missed some information or missed it honestly.
You're human, it's natural. However, don't deny the hard numbers and your eyes in favor of your favorite.
Nothing wrong with your favorite player not being the goat. I followed Jordan from UNC. He was my favorite player from day 1, but he wasn't the goat back then. That didn't bother me.
Lastly, let's address longevity. I made E-5 in a little over 3 years in the Corps. I met E-6's with 12+ years in.......So I made rank 3 times faster than they did, but they're the goat? It took them 10 more years to reach 1 rank higher than me and nobody that knows anything would think they were the best of the best Marines out there.
Facts > feelings
Despite MJ avg 31.5 points his Bulls career, he’s a DPOY, 9x all defensive 1st team, 3X steals champ, 6X 200 steals, 2x same season 100 blocks & 200 steals. Pippen doesn’t avg 19 points for his Bulls career, & Pippen doesn’t have the defensive accolades, & he should, considering teams didn’t put their best defensive player on him every night, & he wasn’t the #1 player they game planned to stop on his own team.
It doesn't matter if LB's numbers are still going up or not because in the video the numbers are on an average, & your average don't go up just because you add to your total. It's an insult to compare anybody to MJ. He was just on another level all the way around. Even off the court he is the epitomy of class. MJ is the GOAT. There is no legit argument against that..✌️
MJ is the G.O.A.T
Why are you mad about LeBron being called a weak defender. Unfortunately for you that is not a lie. The statistics speak itself. Be honest, have you ever seen a clip of MJ standing still with his hands on his hips or chilling in the back court alone? Never
You can't find it because it doesn't exist
A lot of people want to make a big deal of Jordan being 6-0 in the finals and Lebron being 4-6 in the finals. But if you just look at total years in the league and championships I think this is a more accurate way of looking at it. Jordan played 15 seasons total and won 6 chips. Lebron has played 19 seasons and won 4. Simple. People want to look at trips to the finals and record in the finals. But if you didn't win the last game of the season that means you lost to someone. 1st round or finals. It doesn't really matter.
Jordan shot 42.7% from 3pt in the 72 win season. Actually MJ was .352 (92/93), .500 (94/95), .427 (95/96), .374 (96/97). Lebron's best season from 3pt was .406 (12/13). When MJ wanted to shoot them, he did and had success. MJs last year in Chicago and his two with Wizards contributed heavily to his overall lower 3pt % for the career (.238, .189, .291). Lebron's lowest year was his rookie season at .290. Lebron can't shoot, period.
So....michael having mainly scottie is a big enough argument for Michael having MORE help than LeBron's WHOLE roster??
If scottie was sooo good then just realize how good Michael Jordan actually was!
Michael Jordan was so good he made people believe he had a SUPER team!
But nah bro he was just SUPER MAN- did u not see that he could fly too? Smh
Scottie played on a team with an older Barkley and Olajuwon. He played on a stacked Trailblazers team and never won without MJ. I think D Wade has a ring by himself.
Haha I’ve loved your Jordan videos and it’s funny to see you wrestling with this. Like literally you body is contorting as you react and your trying not to accept the truth 😂 but aside from all this you seem like a real good guy so keep the videos going. Had me cracking up when you read about “if u sit an average basketball fan down” and you knew what was coming.
Him not accepting the truth is right 🤣💯
In MJ's last season with the Bulls, he still got 4th in DPOY voting. For me personally, it was MJ's defense that sets him apart.
And never lost more than 2 games in a row for 6 seasons.
People commented that Jordan couldn’t shoot 3’s. He went out the next night and dropped 6 in the 1st half. He just chose not to shoot 3’s.
Lebron doesn’t miss freethrows by choice. He just can’t shoot. Plus when you check out his stats from further out than 3 feet he shoots mid 30percent. How can you consider someone for goat status that can’t shoot?
And one last thing stop making and watching videos on Michael Jordan because Michael Jordan is more than proven he's better than LeBron James and you'll never own up wherever admit it so why are you killing yourself Michael Jordan is better than LeBron
Dude you talked a over a lot of the valid points he made and started to look up Lebron stats, which in turn caused you to misunderstand the argument.
I think the reason people think Lebron can do more with less is because of the play style. Essentially with lebron you need shooters and a lot of times those guys can’t create for themselves so they become reliant on lebron. But if you look at any player that plays similar style to that it’s the same effect ( Harden, Westbrook, Trae , Cp3, John Wall) but teams wasn’t running pick and roll or drive n kick offenses like that in the 90s it was more motion and isos so it was more skill players instead of specialists ( not saying they were more skilled but I’m talking about the type of player ) you wanna surround lebron with specialists ( offensive rebounders and shooters ) with Jordan you surround him with slashers playmakers and finishers. Overall they’re both so good that they both would’ve put the same numbers in each other’s roles. I do think Jordan is just more well rounded and more reliable and it showed in the results and I think it’s kinda Simple as that better offense better defense led to less bad games. I really don’t think it’s a clutch thing. Lebron would have like 8 rings if he had a middy. Like if you look at 2011 Kobe KD and lebron all played bad but Kobe and KD Dwade was able to score a lil more cause they can shoot from the mid range and Aldridge was even balling a lil bit against them too
I think it also has to do with how weak the east was when Lebron was winning. He brought an average Cavs team to the finals because the competition really wasn't that good. People somehow think Jordan wouldn't have also been able to drag that Cavs team to the finals facing the same competition which makes no sense.
the reason people think LeBron is better is recency bias. we want to believe that we are seeing greatness. and when you weren't around to compare it to the last case how can you really say differently? and in 15 years people will compare them to lebron and when you see both you get to see just how different they were. LeBron is a great player but he is not in the same league as jordan
@@matthewzimmerman92 you coulda made your own comment to say that lol. My comment wasn’t about who’s better
Basically they just keep repeating the lie over and over and over again until u submit or people think that it’s factual! We are living in a misinformation era‼️
Lebron’s stats ARE dropping. Jordan already has the highest P.E.R of all time, and Lebron is only getting less efficient.
Most importantly, though, basketball is only half about offense. Jordan made the All-Defensive team like ten times and was DPOY. Lebron could never do that because he doesn’t play defense and hasn’t been invested in the regular season since he was young.
Also, Jordan’s playoff stats are where he sets himself apart. He average more of everything in the playoffs and never averaged less than 30 for a finals. Lebron, on the other hand, average 18 over the course of the 2011 finals in the loss to Dallas.
Also, when has Lebron NOT had multiple hall of fame players on his team? His first few seasons? Certainly from the time in Miami till now, he has ALWAYS had more weapons than MJ ever had. That’s just a fact. And he shouldn’t have beaten the Spurs in 2012 (Ray Allen miracle); he wouldn’t have beaten the Warriors in 2016 (Curry was hobbled, Draymond suspension turned the series); and he wouldn’t have won the 2020 championship if not for the pandemic and weird bubble format (Lebron and AD were banged up and had lingering injuries, then were gifted 2 months rest before the league started up again. I promise you there would have been a different champion if the season plays out regularly without a two month delay).
I think clutchness is one of the most important stat you can have, LeBron chokes under pressure. How can he even be in the conversation? You can’t rely on LeBron in the last 2 min. Thats pretty bad.
Quick, rough breakdown of Jordan’s 3pt shooting.
~33% overall on ~2att/gm
9 seasons he took around 1/gm and shot .240
6 seasons he took around 2/gm and shot .380
Thing is, when Mike took threes consistently, he was very much an above average long distance shooter. If he were playing in today’s era, he’d be one of the better long distance shooters in the league, because why wouldn’t he? His fundamentals, balance and shooting form were impeccable, and he excelled at every area of the game that he put a focus on.
One thing that is not mentioned is in 1984 Jordan took the Olympic team, which was all college players and beat NBA all Stars in practice. He is a great team player.
Another thing people don't know is during his final year in college, Mike led the ACC in 3pt field goal shooting percentage.
Or the fact the nba greats new Jordan was about to take over. From Bird trying to get at him during said 84 Olympics practice or Jordan’s first all star game and the freeze out that Thomas and others stats did
Lmaooo Watching these Lebron fan react to these videos makes my day... delusional..
Lol same
Derrick Rose was injured in 2011 playoffs. He struggled vs Indiana as well. I think he had a bad ankle, bad back, & bad wrist.
Bro, stop with the bs. Talking about you're trying to be unbias. As soon as the video start favoring Jordan , you would pause the video and try to spin it and even got stuck trying to think of a way to spin it. Then press play and the video would debunked what you just said 😂. You're missing the point with the weakness thing. Even Jordan's weakness wasn't weak. It was LEAGUE AVERAGE. Stop with the Lebron can take a bunch of nobodies and win when he just had an all star team and didn't even make the playoffs. Every championship he won he had somebody... D Wade, Kyrie, AD. Jordan had Pippen and a bunch of nobodies. You're still wrong for comparing Lebron to Magic. Because Magic still had Kareem. It won't matter what Lebron's numbers will be when he's finished. The fact that Jordan has accomplished more in less time already cements him as the goat. If anything, the longer Lebron plays, the more it makes Jordan the goat 😂. Lebron is a great player but will never be the goat. He's still not even Kobe status yet. Unbias but your butt-hurtness showed all video. Then like typical Lebron fans, that turns into delusion. Just accept the L. The video clearly proved that there is no comparison at all.
You saying Lebron is still playing is nothing but longevity stats it’s not career average dominance😂 You definitely in denial it’s okay bro lol and lebron had far better teammates in his career than Jordan you bugging with that one
Stay mad he can play long that’s an achievement in itself
@@JoeMama-ly1kc that doesn’t matter at all only lebron fans get away with low IQ😂
@@JoeMama-ly1kc u dnt get awards for longevity kid 😂😂😂😂😂
@@kylonp7311 looks like he has to most 1st team all star appearances, and is gonna pass KAJ in all time points,just to name a few. Both come into longevity, kid 😂😂
@@JoeMama-ly1kc bro you dnt get awards for the most all star appearances 😂😂😂
Opinions are opinions as you can disagree on them, hurts nobody if you consider Lebron as the Goat. I think you are wrong, but that is ok.
Just some quick stats though from stat muse:
"LeBron James had his highest three-point percentage in a season in 2012-13, at 40.6 percent."
"Michael Jordan had his best three-point percentage in a season in 1994-95, at 50.0 percent."
Jordan best nr of steals in a game is 10, Lebron 7
"His 131 blocks in a single 82 game season is the most ever recorded by a guard! Jordan also became the first player ever (only Olajuwon and Pippen also did it later) with 200 steals and 100 blocks in a season, and he did it twice-1988 and 1989."
LeBron James most blocks in a season 2008-09 93 blk
LeBron James had his most steals in a season in 2004-05, with 177 steals.
"Michael Jordan had his most assists in a game versus the Trail Blazers on March 24, 1989, with 17 assists."
"LeBron James had his most assists in a game on January 15, 2020 and on February 9, 2018, with 19 assists."
"Michael Jordan denied his most shots in a game against the Seattle SuperSonics on December 2, 1986, with 6 blocks."
"LeBron James blocked his most shots in a game on March 16, 2004 and on February 23, 2004, with 5 blocks."
I think these things say a lot about peak performance, Jordan just is better in most categories at peak performance and a far more allround player.
See all I’m saying is that’s my opinion if you think Jordan is the Goat I respect it I might disagree but I respect it
@@OnAirWithDBlair The problem is that the discussion about who the GOAT is **isn't** based on opinions; it's about performance, stats, and records. And when you understand that and dig into both players, you can clearly see that almost every metric favors Jordan. Those are the cold, hard facts.
Contrast that with choosing your favorite player, which is solely a personal opinion.
To your point about Jordan not being rusty when losing to the Magic...the next year when he came back in shape, he swept the Magic. It's a legitimate point
Delusional bro… Dwayne wade one a chip before Lebron, not to mention, Lebron admitted he went to Miami to get a championship! Wade been a beast!!!
You personally have something against Jordan. I know the other fans on your page feel it also because every time they make a good point about Jordan you find a reason to go against it he was just the greatest man admit it! We love LeBron too but he just wasn't Michael Jordan. You'll sleep better at night admitting that to yourself LOL peace bro
I think Dblair should go back and watch the video with an unbiased view. This video does a good job of showing the real differences between MJ and LBJ. What the commentator says is actually what I watched repeatedly during MJ’s tenure.
The one thing that MJ brought to the arena was energy. The passion he played with made you want to be there and sometimes made you feel as if you were.
It’s ok for Dblair or anyone to have an opinion, that’s what most fans do. I wish everyone would just chalk it up as an opinion and not try to convince everyone else to agree with them. It’s ok to agree to disagree.
I like this comment okay tell me what you think I will rewatch it on a live stream cause a big reason why I would talk and not pause it because it’s a long video but with a live stream I don’t have to worry about time limit
MJ 6 rings 1991-98, ties East Conf rings 1999-2018. So making the finals in that era of the East to lose, means nothing. & Bron top 2 teammates 2011-2017, avg way more combined points, than Pippen & Grant, & Pippen and Rodman. Lebron got to choose what team & players he played with 2011-2017, Jordan didn’t have a choice with 7 points avg Pippen.
Yea I feel like people overrate lebrons def because the def he had in the finals and chase down blocks
Hakeem can only post up near the basket. Jordan would be posting all the way at freethrow line. Both are better than Lebron on posting.
WHY IS KOBE NOT GETTING ANY LOVE!! He is closer to MJ than LBJ! The debate should be MJ and KBB!
I’m curious why would Kobe be in the debate when he does nothing better than Jordan or LeBron?
@@OnAirWithDBlair Oh sweetie, are u a basketball fan at all? I think ur fan boy moreso than a basketball fan. Kobe is much better than LeBron. Hell Magic is better him.
@@OnAirWithDBlair I can’t believe that u just took a $h*t on Kobe’s legacy like that. That’s foul. Real foul bruh!
Jordan absolutely needed good support… all players do. Scottie was needed in that support was needed. It’s not like Scottie as a specific player is the only way Jordan could achieve what he did. Bron just didn’t different… he hand-picked his teammates to work with. It’s a way… I have no problem with that. Jordan turned a struggling franchise into a dynasty but working with the pieces and polishing them up.
ya.. lebron is really good. but hes not jordan. there is a reason most nba players still say head the best of all time, and that he would have averaged 40 to 50 a game in this era. and his ability to dominate in clutch times is something of legends
He’d average 25 get out of here
@@JoeMama-ly1kc 25? are you high? he would certainly average more than he did in the 90s, which was 30 for his entire career. everyone knows defense was a lot tougher back then too
@@JoeMama-ly1kc 25? With this weak ass defense?
GTFO
They were both average from 3. Had MJ shot the same number of 3's as Lebron his career average would be around 40 ppg.
more like 45 to 50...
It’s no need for these arguments because the NBA says Jordan is #1 by leaps and bounds so who am I to argue 💁🏽♀️💁🏽♀️🤷🏽♀️🤷🏽♀️🤦🏽♀️🤦🏽♀️🤦🏽♀️!!!!
LeBron isn't worthy of washing MJ's underwear.
Jordan IS THE GOAT!
No question about it.
Yours was a heroic effort to remain unbiased but it's just not even close.
The results are just overwhelming. I respect your integrity.
Awesome reaction my guy! You did stay unbiased without. Good job. can you react to the Jordan Predator video to see his awesome Defense
Jordan had Scottie you say. Lebron had No one? C'mon, bruh. Dwayne Wade, Chris Bosh, Kevin Love, Kyrie Irving, Anthony Davis? Any of those names ring a bell? Please get off the drugs. I can mention one guy. Just one guy that will end the debate. Jason Terry. Terry, the average guy from the Dallas Mavericks absolutely roasted LeBron in the playoffs. Look that video up. OMG!!! Checkmate!
I enjoy watching your videos so far. You're not arrogant or ignorant towards others opinions and not against them bringing numbers and facts to an argument. I enjoy how you are always as unbiased as possible, and still respectful with your opinions and such.
I think you can be a fan of a player and still think Jordan is the GOAT.
Lebron already had better teammates than Pippen, There is no way you put Jordan's success on Pippen, no other players get this level of disrespect other than Jordan. People only start comparing teammates because they have no other reasons to put Lebron over Jordan just by comparing them individually..
Lebron is also not a pass first player. For 19 of his 20 seasons in the NBA, Lebron has taken the most shot attempt on his team. The only time someone took more shots than Lebron was Kyrie in 2017 iirc.
This is not a just a longevity award
I am a life long Knicks fan I hated Jordan and how he dominated every team. But I know this much lebron is a great player no doubt but Jordan is the goat💯💯💯
I like it when they say "but Golden State" as if they were they only team Lebron lost to in the finals.
Appreciate your trying to stay impartial! Saying LBJ could do more with less doesn’t bear out when he has consistently left every “lesser” team for a team with great players.
More than that tho, your best argument is going to be this video, because the stats, which you feel may improve over time, are only going to go down for LBJ as he gets older. Remember, these are career averages, not cumulative totals (longevity), so he’ll average fewer points, assists, etc as he ages, which will bring his career averages down.
And that is only fair, Jordan has 2 seasons with the wizards at 39 and 40 weighing his down already in his stats, and those two definitely brought his career averages down .. unless LBJ actually beats Father Time, his numbers will have to come down.
Great vid!
Because the phase now is faster. So lebron can have a little better on ppg. Plus, there are more opportunities to shoot now than before. As a team, even the average per game got bigger. And jordan was doing 37 ppg in his early days.
I like how this guy is in constant denial when the truth and stats is staring at him in the face and he has no choice but to keep stuttering over the video cuz he can't refute it. Another thing i really like is that he pauses the video and rambles how Lebron was being downplayed, and right in the next few seconds DangerP rebuts his argument again but the difference is dangerp shows facts and numbers on the screen lol.
I get it Lebron is your childhood hero, he's like a god to you. No one wants to admit that their childhood hero is not as amazing as he turns out to be, But the truth is right there in your face and you're still in denial and making excuses for him. You really cant make this s up. Face the facts.
“If KD didn’t get hurt they would have had it”
Dude, Pippen was injured for 3 games in 98, including barely able to walk in G6, a game that had they lost would have seen no Pippen for G7 in Utah and what happened? Jordan scored 45, more than half his teams points, and won the game single-handedly in the last 2 mins
There’s levels to this.
And Elgin Baylor is the SF with more ppg than Lebron
And no, Lebron’s per game stats are getting worse across the board other than maybe points as he’s been desperately trying to overtake Kareem. If you took Jordan’s Wizards years out, his ppg game stats would be even more crazy!
about the longevity thing the reason his peak has lastly longer then jordan is because he has played in a softer league then jordan if he played in the way more physical 90s era he wouldnt have lasted 10 seasons he would have retired before then because he would have cried that they fouled him too hard and this is coming from someone who likes lebron and watched all of his high school games on TV
I like the way you stay unbiased. Great reaction. Most ppl act like one of the players got to suck in order for the other player to be great
You have to take the fact that LeBron James is your favorite player and truly look at it!! I'm saying this as a fan who 100% says Jordan is the GOAT, but my favorite player of all-time is Larry Johnson followed by Kevin Garnett.. Jordan's not even in my top 5 favorite player's but he's absolutely the GOAT in my opinion!! BTW you misinterpreted quite a few points that he was making and you weren't picking apart everything he said (in your I
misinterpreted understanding) to make excuses for LeBron James and you were far from being unbiased!! He said Jordan weakness was 3pt shooting and you missed that point while pulling up James's stats in the attempt to override the video!! It doesn't matter year to year, career or if their careers were parallel Jordan had 9 1st team All defense and a defensive player of the year and LeBron James has 6 1st team All defensive awards and 0 Defensive player of the year awards!! Finally the drafted and built Scottie Pippen!!! The Bulls drafted and developed their rosters with the exception of Rodman and Ron Harper!! Name me what season that James took a bunch of nobody's to the finals and then explain to me why he couldn't get a team with at least 4 future Hall of Famer's to not only the playoffs but he didn't even get them to the play in tournament!!! You LeBron James fan's love to cherry pick your argument in his favor
Great GOAT video for sure. One of the biggest differences in my opinion is the difference in physicality between the different era's in which these two played. In Jordan's era guys were getting their ass beat during the games. In today's game where you can't play defense even remotely as aggressively you can't help but wonder if Lebron would be anywhere near as effective if he had played during Jordan's era. You saw the video of Lebron flopping like a european soccer player pretending he got fouled. Can you imagine what would happen to a guy like that if he played against the Piston's during Jordan's days?
I don’t get how some of the circumstances Jordan was in wasn’t unfair? So when Jordan played the Celtics in his first playoff appearance against 5 HOFs and Jordan had nobody?… that was fair? Jordan had nobody his first 3 years.
Why did you skip past all the commentary in the statistics category? You missed a whole lot
It's not really a weakness. Besides, he made like 42.7% 3 pt shooting at some point. And it goes up when it matters. Besides, lebron has more playoffsm so he has more chances to do the clutch shot.
The 3 is actually not a weakness, unless you overuse the shot to the detriment of the team. It is a novelty shot and not needed. A weakness is something that is needed that a player lacks. No one says a person is weak at dunking because it is not needed.
@@ericjordan6059 right? There are more mid range shot opportunities per possession than 3s and dunks.
speaking about low post offense...
YES jordan had a better postup game. This is something you don't see in highlights; because fadeaways aren't usually in highlight reels unless they're game winners. Jordan's post-fade was one of the most unguardable shots in the game. he could shoot it equally good over his left or right shoulder, and what made it so f-ing impossible to guard was he had the fastest first step in the league, so you HAD to guard his post spin to the hoop, or jordan was going to get layup or dunk after layup at the rim. So when he put his back to you, you HAD to guard the move to the hoop, and what jordan knew, was everyone was terrified of that move to the hoop. so he'd throw a shoulder fake one way, then roll the other, and fade into a perfect post fade.
His post fade was his money shot; it's where he made most of his points from; if Jordan was having a cold night shooting from outside, he would put his back to the hoop and start shooting post fades, and i swear to god, he hit those at like a 80% clip even if nothing else was falling. It was the shot he was most comfortable with making when he needed 2, and a shot he relied on a lot more in his 2nd 3 peat.
Lebron is solid in the post, but he doesn't like playing with his back to the hoop. he likes getting the ball in the high post and then rolling to the rim for a dunk or kickout pass. he doesn't have a go to post shot if he can't get to the rim and there is no one to pass it to. I've long said that LBJ needed to develop his post game for easier shots for when his body starts to break down. well LBJ was lucky his body never broke down, because he never really developed a good low post game.
What's amazing is Jordan was just as deadly in the high post as Lebron. No, Jordan's footwork in the post is something to see, it's up there with some of the best centers of all time. Maybe not Kevin McHale level (no one had footwork like Kevin McHale in the post), but it was just as good as most of the elite centers, and if you watch a full game, you'll see him work over everyone in the post in an era where the low post was dominated by 7 footers and lots of contact was allowed down there.
I grew up watching Wilt and Oscar on tv and went to see a lot of ABA games. People always sound smarter when they don't try to argue against MJ.