Yeah, after all her shit-talking about hunting those who bear the rings, she should have taken her blade and offed herself instead of getting a damn DLC. In my "head canon" she dies atop Barabur, since we don't see her again in the rest of the main game. I played her DLC once out of curiosity and hated it because I could never get past her pomposity-turned-pathetic weakness and her betrayal of Talion.
Yeah, the one (IMO) bad piece of writing is this scene with Celebrimbor and Eltariel. I can't remember where I saw it, but one of the devs admitted she was only inserted into the story to act as a catalyst for Celebrimbor's betrayal. I actually liked her character up to this point and didn't care that she was a stuck-up bitch (if you read the Silmarillion, you'll see that pretty much all the elves of the First and Second Age were). She served as a good antagonist to Celebrimbor and his rings, while being somewhat sympathetic to Talion's plight. It's doing a complete 180 out of nowhere and going against everything she stood for that ruins it. Instead of giving her a damn DLC, there should have been a cutscene where Galadriel gives her a sound thrashing for her stupidity! If anyone deserved a DLC besides Baranor (which I thought was excellent) it should have been Ratbag!
I love how Celebrimbor is becoming Sauron. His whole “we can bring order back to middle earth” is Sauron’s entire purpose in the canon lore. And of course the only one strong enough to stand against such good intentioned evil is man.
@@leventeszaffenauer4142 yeah he’s like doctor horrible from doctor horrible’s sing along blog. He wants to bring about order by ruling with an iron fist. The world is a mess… and he just needs to rule it.
even tho not Canon, I do think the writers really excelled themselves with the characters of Talion, Celebrimbor and Sauron. I really felt the writers of this game understood what kind of character Sauron was. Also the sombre story of Celebrimbor and Talion, if I didnt knew any better, I would think it was written by Tolkien himself. The dread and sacrifice Talion goes through, the fall of the mighty Celebrimbor, such stories are only found in the history of Middle earth
exactly, i LOVED talions story, props to the writers for creating such an amazing story and game for us to play, thankfully its just a fan fic and not cannon lol.
@@RokkitGrrl definitely one of the best stories in games I have played. combat system is one of the coolest too, so def worth your time. Although it does suffer from the modern western RPG style of mapping and quests.
I really like the story of talion! All the pain and all the sacrifices he made as well as the emotion in his face and voice. Even though its very far from the original books and films I still think shadow of mordor and shadow of war told a great story :D
You see, the thing is, that after Numenor sunk into the ocean Sauron was "drowned" along with the island and his beautiful fisical form of Annatar was kind of not available to him anymore, so he only ever used his dark lord form from that point.
@@Bruh-ok1rq i know, i don't mind at all it's for the sake of making the game fun to play and fill some gaps in some things that the books didn't touch, it's a cool game and having it's own canon doesnt make it worst, i just like to point out the diference because why not?
The stupid developers should have done a different character instead Isildur. His body was never found, not even Sauron found it. I do hate of what they are doing to the game and the story. Instead Isildur turning into a Nazgûl, why wouldn't developers pick Êarnur, the last king line of Gondor? He entered Minas Morgul to challenge the Witch-King and he never return nor anyone saw him ever again.
But that's because they picked Isildur. He's an important character, the one who chopped the One Ring off Sauron's hand, and Sauron had a grudge against him. They did it for shock value. Also it works for the story since Isildur was a hero to Men. It's Celebrimbor's attempt to keep Isildur's enslavement that drives Talion off the edge.
@@immortal_jairo88 I didn't mind them using Isildur to an extent, except the fact that he was dead and his soul would have already departed. Unlike Helm Hammerhand who (yes I know his story is nothing like the books) was still alive when Annatar / Sauron gave him a ring. I didn't even consider them using Earnur. He does get a couple mentions when Idril is describing some of the Gondorian artifacts. And I agree, the devs could have had a heyday with his story, which would have made more sense. I do get why they went with Isildur, because not everyone who plays the game has read the books, yet most have likely seen the films and will know who he was.
God imagine sauron after he lost to Isildur. The rage he must have had, must have been deafening. But then to have the last laugh, and have the one that destroyed your body, as your slave to do what you want with. Isildur must have had the most painful and torturas years, being a Nazgul, under Saurons control. Every waking moment, Sauron's will is forced upon you. The torment and anguish Isildur must have felt ever waking moment. I can imagine sauron being alittle kid when he sees Isildur on the stretcher.
Though not accurate from Tolkien's writings, it felt good to have Talion release Isildur - having to endure the things you mentioned and finally be free. Talion being free included.
@@omaraftab7131 That would be if we are going with the actual lore of the story. Yes you would be correct. But im going off the lore and story of this game.
To me this scene marked the moment when you realize Celebrimbor is corrupted to no avail. Talion mercifully released Isildur, but the so mighty elf wanted him to keep suffering under his command. Also love how the character of Shelob developed: choosing the lesser between two evils, and working towards that path
Say what you want about how the lore is treated in this game and Shadow of Mordor, but I think we can all agree this look for Sauron is far superior than the one in Rings of Power.
honestly i really like the changes for the games own story. the movies changed somuch so i really dont care about the changes for a game but we didnt see sauron yet eminem is a female actor.
@@zakzerak7191 it is not confirmed yet that Eminem-like priestess is Sauron embodiment. Alas, the chances are great. I personally hope it will be the Meteor Man.
Yes a little too much when it comes to Isildur. Sauron would’ve been a shell of himself at the time of Isildur’s death and not had the power they shown.
This is the worst take ever, these games are a complete circus which bastardises everything Tolkien ever stated. ROP does not even hold a candle to the level of abhorrent shit this game did.
I remember playing Shadow of Mordor the first time. I played and finished it within a week. Juggling work, playing the game and sleep. Getting 2 hrs of sleep a day cause I was so addicted. Then Shadow of Middle-earth came had to get a ps4 just to play it. It's so good.
Funny how Sauron tries to extend his hand to "catch" Isildur with the ringed hand instead of immobilizing him with magic power and killing him with his mace.
@@robfbms As I remember, in the books Sauron was "beaten" in combat by the elven (gil galad) and human (Elendil) kings (both died aswell) and was exhausted and wounded on the floor when Isildur cut the ring from his finger. The movie / game adaptionws are a little weird on this take, but it´s for the sake for making Sauron look more menacing I guess.
Likely he wanted to grab him and crush him, or was about to blast him With a magic attack , either way he didn’t expect a defeated Isildur to counter the way he did with a broken sword, he underestimated him which was how he lost his Ring
The biggest problem with his game isn't the lore it changed so much, it's that it's very philosophy contradicts Tolkien's religious world views. Tolkien did not believe in using evil to fight evil. LOTR is not some nihilistic modern fantasy of moral ambiguity. Tolkien believed in objective good and objective evil, by Tolkien's standard; Talion lost a moral war merely for using a ring of Sauron
@@z54964380 no there literally isn't. Tolkien firmly held a Catholic belief of objective good and objective evil. YOU may believe that its a matter if perspective, but Tolkien did not. This is backed up in his letters, his theological views and those who knew him. There are even entire books by Tolkien scholars on the theological and philosophical views of Tolkien in his work
@@finyoung1261 No, Frodo was corrupted by the ring. He did not chiose nor ever desired to wield it as a weapon againsg the enemy. As Tolkien himself explained in a letter, Frodo got as far as he could resisting the ring's evil before it got the better of him to finally put it on which ended in what he called a eucatastophe. That's not the same thing as willing to choosing to use it for the purpose of wielding it against the enemy. Ie using evil foe the intent to fight evil. That point is made even more clear by Faramir opposed to Boromir or Denethor
@@crimsonthumos3905 I never disputed that Tolkien didn’t believe in objective good and evil my guy, I was merely pointing out the naïveté of his belief.
Lmfao rings of power hurt you like a cheating ex girlfriend did hahaha it’s like you’re ex is getting fucked by a dude with a bigger dick. Because all y’all do is complain about a show that millions of people are enjoying. Y’all some fucking CUCKS hahahahahaha cry some more about how the elves don’t drink water like they do in books or whatever useless shit you guys bitch and moan about LMFAO
Shen Dude, i just hooked my PS2 & got it running in HD thanks to 108Op w/ component ports & PS2 HD psyclone component cables. PLEASE BREAKDOWN WHY ROTK IS AWESOME & WORTH PLAYING?
the writers took incredible liberties in making the lore of these games, but I think I like the addition of world building, tolkien never really talk about rhûn or the east of middle earth much, thus, I like it.
This is a great example of a clearly non canon story that still doesnt betray the themes and ideals of Tolkien, plus gives an engaging story in the setting
If only the RoP writing is as good as this fan fiction. At least make the main character as likable as Talion goddamn it. Celebrimbor in this game is a beast just like his lore character compared to RoP weird "mix alloy lmao, never thought of that".
The game was pretty fast and loose with the lore, but it was still an enjoyable game. It never claims to be canon, but Shelob appearing as a scantily clad woman was bizarre lol. I found that part to be the strangest choice.
After watching so many hours of Critical Role, the moment I heard Laura Bailey's voice in this I was suddenly that one meme of Leonardo DiCaprio pointing at a tv screen in recognition hahahah
No he doesn’t, all he knows is that it fell into a river, which is what the orc that attacked him would’ve known anyway.The currents could’ve taken the ring anywhere along its long stretch, and mordor hasn’t invented scuba diving equipment either.
Can't bring back a corpse man. Not even a minor angel like Sauron could do that. Only Eru Illuvatar possessed such knowledge of what happened to a man's soul.
For something that is sadly non cannon I really think it could work in a way, only recently been playing Shadow of War but I love the story and the humanizing of Uruk Hai is technically not too far off the Tolkien path by itself ( and no not just because I like Ratbag and Ranger) as I believe he did say in his writings that nothing was beyond redemption but I could be wrong.
This was a very decent none canon. Loved both games with a passion and for what they were. So hard watching Rings of Power and seeing Celebrimbor not looking like the game version 😆
See the problem I have is the reason the ring left him is he didn't use it cause he knew wasn't strong enough to control it. He was on his way to Riverdell to give the ring to elrond so it could be destroyed, that's why it left him.
Dude was a certifiable badass. It's why in the books Aragorn is proud of his ancestor not ashamed of his blood. I get why the movies boiled it down though, I'm just assuming these games bias towards the movie plotlines more than anything.
The ring was lost in the river, likely Orc patrols search for it when they fished out Isuildur’s corpse It was found by chance but Smealgol and his friend Deagol years later when they went fishing
The Ring is a evil, powerful object that has a will of its own. When it has sapped its wielder of his/her decency, goodness, and self-awareness, when it has served its true master, Sauran, in whatever what the current wearer/vessel can, it abandons him/her by changing size, or by luring the object of his/her death. There is no fooling The Ring. Lavender Jack...Swooping On Down.
@@lenkaasia3476 legit if the ring can’t get off your finger it can literally shoot off evil gps which will draw beings of Sauron’s servitude towards you by chance or even outright alert Nazgûl to your exact current location for as long as you wear it. XD the one ring is really good at making sure you never sleep peacefully
@@Ryanfinder226 While it doesn't exactly pinpoint your location with 100% accuracy, it does point the Nazguls to your general area, within the KM square or so, if I read it right in the books.
@@LavenderJack540 it doesn't have a will of its own, it literaly is the majority of saurons own lifeforce within it, thats why he is so weak without it and why he took so long to reform after being defeated, its more sauron than sauron is.
They really did Isildur dirty. He was a right and honourable king that's remembered for his singular mistake. Also, Sauron was incapable of taking fair forms after the fall of Numenor.
It was a mistake with good intentions. He planned to try and use the Ring for good and when he realized that was impossible he planned to give the ring to Elrond only to die on the road to Rivendell.
Ok, this is shocking!!! Celebrimbor wanted to corrupt Sauron and his armies to bring Mordor back into the light. If this happened in the main timeline in LOTR, Celebrimbor would've become a far more dangerous threat which will lead to him facing against Isildur's heir, Aragorn who wields the sword of elendil.
Hatred and jealousy brew within elves like a poison , they hold it in for so long in the belief it makes them weak and yet that’s why men are better they can realise their emotions and continue to embrace what’s right and Good without falling to darkness
"Isildur, i release you!" you can't release a Nazgul until the One Ring is destroyed, don't he know that? Celebrimbor has the excuse of being mad because of what he endured in life and death but the other elf has no excuse for believing that that mad plan would ever work. A Maia enslaved by a elf? lol Since when Shelob care about anything but her next meal?
“A Maia enslaves by an elf?” Part might need to be rethinked. It’s implied heavy in the books that powerful elves like Galadriel could defeat/enslave a ring less Sauron if she had the one ring. Along with Glorfindel and a few others. I’m not saying you’re wrong, I mostly agree with you.
Celembribor was from Faenors line, that was an elf that waged war against Morgoth, the master of Sauron, even if he ultimately lose, he was still very powerful.
@@matejkopa97 that still doesn't make him powerful enough to dominate a minor god. Feanor never faced Morgoth in combat and was he three time more powerful than he was, It still wouldn't have been enough.
at this point in time sauron wasnt able to came back to middle earth it took him a long time to regain enough power so he wasnt able to turn isildur...who was dead a empty shell without soul wich was needed for turning into a nazghul
While I like these games Isildur in the books would never have fallen to Sauron. In lore he takes the ring more out of pride with the intent to use it for good, and his rule while he's in Gondor is considered to be benevolent if anything. When he inherits Arnor he's come to the realization that he's unable to control the One Ring, and so he decides to make a pitstop in Rivendell to speak with Elrond with the intent to give the Ring over to the Elves. He describes using the ring as "bringing him great pain" and if anything is eager to be rid of it. When they are attacked on the road he outright refuses to use the ring even at the urging of his sons, he only relents when his last living Son begs him to use it to escape. The Ring betrays Isildur over the fact that it really CAN'T control him (at least not as well as it might otherwise) and so it leaves him. When it does right before his death Isildur finds great relief it it being gone, not sadness or some desire to get it back. He's of course killed shortly after this happens. Assuming he WAS dragged before Sauron the Dark Lord would find it impossible to control him, as his will was profound. This isn't to say he was impervious to the Ring's evil, just that he was resilient to it.
we can't know that. simlarilon doesn't go into psychology of isildur in that detail; the narrative you present is derived from unfinished tales, which were written post tolkien's death, and might be considered as canon as this game
"Sauron cannot be destroyed!"
Frodo & Sam: "Hold our pints."
Hold our haary hobbit foots.
More like "Gandalf enters the chat"
It comes in pints?
Isn't he not get destroyed but just forever banished?
@@markfranz7313 pretty much diminished to the point where he can never return.
Isn't it sweet that eltariel always blamed men for being weak, but in the moment she is offered a ring of power she falls?
Week.
Week
Poetic irony
That is the hypocrisy of elves. With all their self-righteousness, they are just as corruptible as men. Sometimes even easier.
Eltariel is triggered by this comment and will be reporting you to elf management
Talion picked up Nazgul ring and fought on for years.
Eltariel got a ring of power and fell in a blink.
Ah yes, strength.
Yeah, after all her shit-talking about hunting those who bear the rings, she should have taken her blade and offed herself instead of getting a damn DLC. In my "head canon" she dies atop Barabur, since we don't see her again in the rest of the main game. I played her DLC once out of curiosity and hated it because I could never get past her pomposity-turned-pathetic weakness and her betrayal of Talion.
She is a Hypocrite
elves, unlike men, are bound by fate
@@armygrunt13 she had zero will power
@@armygrunt13 the only good part of that dlc is talion's eventual fall and the unique orcs. Eltariel is the worst part of her own DLC
No wonder Gimli says "Never trust an elf"
He's not an elf... god damn it, he's a fucking Maia, in his fair form he was called "Annatar, lord of gifts".
@@jonathanperea953 No shit?, I was talking about Celebrimbor and Eltariel.
After reading the Silmarillion, I can't help from agreeing.
Elves + Jewels = Disaster to everyone else
Yeah, the one (IMO) bad piece of writing is this scene with Celebrimbor and Eltariel. I can't remember where I saw it, but one of the devs admitted she was only inserted into the story to act as a catalyst for Celebrimbor's betrayal. I actually liked her character up to this point and didn't care that she was a stuck-up bitch (if you read the Silmarillion, you'll see that pretty much all the elves of the First and Second Age were). She served as a good antagonist to Celebrimbor and his rings, while being somewhat sympathetic to Talion's plight. It's doing a complete 180 out of nowhere and going against everything she stood for that ruins it. Instead of giving her a damn DLC, there should have been a cutscene where Galadriel gives her a sound thrashing for her stupidity! If anyone deserved a DLC besides Baranor (which I thought was excellent) it should have been Ratbag!
@@jonathanperea953 shame on you for trying to act smart shitlord
I love how Celebrimbor is becoming Sauron. His whole “we can bring order back to middle earth” is Sauron’s entire purpose in the canon lore. And of course the only one strong enough to stand against such good intentioned evil is man.
To defeat a monster he became one
I remember in SoM Bright Lord DLC it is said to him
“...with it (The Ring) you could become something far worse (than Sauron)...”
@@AltFromTheLimbo that's a homage to Gandalf refusing the ring for the same reason.
i dont think sauron wanted to "bring back order"
@@leventeszaffenauer4142 yeah he’s like doctor horrible from doctor horrible’s sing along blog. He wants to bring about order by ruling with an iron fist. The world is a mess… and he just needs to rule it.
even tho not Canon, I do think the writers really excelled themselves with the characters of Talion, Celebrimbor and Sauron. I really felt the writers of this game understood what kind of character Sauron was. Also the sombre story of Celebrimbor and Talion, if I didnt knew any better, I would think it was written by Tolkien himself. The dread and sacrifice Talion goes through, the fall of the mighty Celebrimbor, such stories are only found in the history of Middle earth
exactly, i LOVED talions story, props to the writers for creating such an amazing story and game for us to play, thankfully its just a fan fic and not cannon lol.
Oh the writing on this game was so darn on point. This game is way underrated.
Wow, I've had this game in my library for a while but never played it. I never knew it was going to be so heavily narrative-driven!
@@RokkitGrrl definitely one of the best stories in games I have played. combat system is one of the coolest too, so def worth your time. Although it does suffer from the modern western RPG style of mapping and quests.
Compared to, “other” post Tolkien works, this game is a masterpiece.
I really like the story of talion! All the pain and all the sacrifices he made as well as the emotion in his face and voice. Even though its very far from the original books and films I still think shadow of mordor and shadow of war told a great story :D
Well said
Sacrifices
@@williamlongstaff6638 thanks for the tip
@@diavo_04 I was just kidding with you anyway, meant no offense :)
@@williamlongstaff6638 Oh Im not mad as long as people correct my grammar without getting all salty its fine by me 🤷♂️
You see, the thing is, that after Numenor sunk into the ocean Sauron was "drowned" along with the island and his beautiful fisical form of Annatar was kind of not available to him anymore, so he only ever used his dark lord form from that point.
no one cares nerd....we just like slashing games.
@@bladerj yeah sure.....whatever helps you sleep at night
@@Bruh-ok1rq i know, i don't mind at all it's for the sake of making the game fun to play and fill some gaps in some things that the books didn't touch, it's a cool game and having it's own canon doesnt make it worst, i just like to point out the diference because why not?
@@JJTN2K Nah personally, I like it when people remember stuff like that, I always had a few pauses when I played and saw that form for Sauron
How does the (changes of Isildurs) story affect the gameplay?
Hes not the only one fighting but hes the only one making any type of progress
I've seen people hate what they did to Isildur but you just know it's perfectly in character for Sauron to do it.
The stupid developers should have done a different character instead Isildur. His body was never found, not even Sauron found it. I do hate of what they are doing to the game and the story.
Instead Isildur turning into a Nazgûl, why wouldn't developers pick Êarnur, the last king line of Gondor? He entered Minas Morgul to challenge the Witch-King and he never return nor anyone saw him ever again.
Yeah, but it didn't make sense nor was it even close to lore accuracy. Doesn't matter what "Sauron would do"
But that's because they picked Isildur. He's an important character, the one who chopped the One Ring off Sauron's hand, and Sauron had a grudge against him. They did it for shock value.
Also it works for the story since Isildur was a hero to Men. It's Celebrimbor's attempt to keep Isildur's enslavement that drives Talion off the edge.
@@nightdriver7216 Then they should have used Earnur, the Last King of Gondor who’s fate is actually unknown.
@@immortal_jairo88 I didn't mind them using Isildur to an extent, except the fact that he was dead and his soul would have already departed. Unlike Helm Hammerhand who (yes I know his story is nothing like the books) was still alive when Annatar / Sauron gave him a ring. I didn't even consider them using Earnur. He does get a couple mentions when Idril is describing some of the Gondorian artifacts. And I agree, the devs could have had a heyday with his story, which would have made more sense. I do get why they went with Isildur, because not everyone who plays the game has read the books, yet most have likely seen the films and will know who he was.
God imagine sauron after he lost to Isildur. The rage he must have had, must have been deafening. But then to have the last laugh, and have the one that destroyed your body, as your slave to do what you want with. Isildur must have had the most painful and torturas years, being a Nazgul, under Saurons control. Every waking moment, Sauron's will is forced upon you. The torment and anguish Isildur must have felt ever waking moment.
I can imagine sauron being alittle kid when he sees Isildur on the stretcher.
Though not accurate from Tolkien's writings, it felt good to have Talion release Isildur - having to endure the things you mentioned and finally be free. Talion being free included.
It was actually Isildur’s father who defeated Sauron, but he died in the battle and Isildur took the ring.
@@omaraftab7131 That would be if we are going with the actual lore of the story. Yes you would be correct. But im going off the lore and story of this game.
What game is this? Is this shadow of Mordor? Or the sequel game?
@@ckyjackasscorleone8937 sequel
To me this scene marked the moment when you realize Celebrimbor is corrupted to no avail. Talion mercifully released Isildur, but the so mighty elf wanted him to keep suffering under his command. Also love how the character of Shelob developed: choosing the lesser between two evils, and working towards that path
This is an example of great fanfiction, where we know it’s not canon, but it respects the source material and is a good story all on its own.
I’m starting to see it as a prequel to the Peter Jackson movies and therefore doesn’t need to be lore accurate!
Respects the source material?
@@dartagnanjames8069 respects the writings of Tolkien
@@darthlegolas9155 How? Where?
It doesn’t disrespect his writings it keeps true to middle earth lore even though it’s not specifically written by Tolkien
I like that subtle growl we hear whenever the one ring is used.
Say what you want about how the lore is treated in this game and Shadow of Mordor, but I think we can all agree this look for Sauron is far superior than the one in Rings of Power.
honestly i really like the changes for the games own story. the movies changed somuch so i really dont care about the changes for a game but we didnt see sauron yet eminem is a female actor.
@@zakzerak7191 it is not confirmed yet that Eminem-like priestess is Sauron embodiment. Alas, the chances are great. I personally hope it will be the Meteor Man.
Eminem isn't Sauron. Trust me. But it is Cliché af, in the show.
That's.....not Sauron
Yeah but that's a incredibly low bar my dude.
Such a good reimagining of the battle and an interesting, though a bit fan fiction-y take on Isildur's fate.
Yes a little too much when it comes to Isildur. Sauron would’ve been a shell of himself at the time of Isildur’s death and not had the power they shown.
It’s canon, the shadow of Mordor games are all canon
@@beergoggleprophet No they’re not lol they’re not canon at all.
@@nicoblac9368 how did he really die
@@kanyenorth2605 You mean Celebrimbor?
The writing and creativity here in this game, and the previous, are a million times better than the show Amazon put out.
true but,to be fair, you could film some nerds roleplaying with a cellphone and it would be better than that
This is the worst take ever, these games are a complete circus which bastardises everything Tolkien ever stated. ROP does not even hold a candle to the level of abhorrent shit this game did.
I remember playing Shadow of Mordor the first time. I played and finished it within a week. Juggling work, playing the game and sleep. Getting 2 hrs of sleep a day cause I was so addicted. Then Shadow of Middle-earth came had to get a ps4 just to play it. It's so good.
get good sleep dude
Ah sleep & the Sun= gamers nemesis!
Shadow of Middle-earth? Yeah you need sleep
@@CB-gb4ep Thats shit was probably years ago, and he still call it that way. 🤣🤣🤣🤣 lack of sleep f*ck your brain hard.
Funny how Sauron tries to extend his hand to "catch" Isildur with the ringed hand instead of immobilizing him with magic power and killing him with his mace.
This would not work in Tolkien’s mythology. Even the highest of mortal men could not bind it.
@@RockOnBrotha89 I actually referred to Sauron immobilizing Isildur and killing him.
Sauron was trying to burn Isildir to ash (as a Maiar spirit he can do that) and it was arrogance that caused him to use his ring hand.
@@robfbms As I remember, in the books Sauron was "beaten" in combat by the elven (gil galad) and human (Elendil) kings (both died aswell) and was exhausted and wounded on the floor when Isildur cut the ring from his finger.
The movie / game adaptionws are a little weird on this take, but it´s for the sake for making Sauron look more menacing I guess.
Likely he wanted to grab him and crush him, or was about to blast him With a magic attack , either way he didn’t expect a defeated Isildur to counter the way he did with a broken sword, he underestimated him which was how he lost his Ring
People who worked on this game should have been hired for the new series.
The biggest problem with his game isn't the lore it changed so much, it's that it's very philosophy contradicts Tolkien's religious world views. Tolkien did not believe in using evil to fight evil. LOTR is not some nihilistic modern fantasy of moral ambiguity. Tolkien believed in objective good and objective evil, by Tolkien's standard; Talion lost a moral war merely for using a ring of Sauron
So I guess Frodo did as well?
Tolkien lived in a fairy tale then, nothing is objectively good or objectively evil, it's only the matter of perspective.
@@z54964380 no there literally isn't. Tolkien firmly held a Catholic belief of objective good and objective evil. YOU may believe that its a matter if perspective, but Tolkien did not. This is backed up in his letters, his theological views and those who knew him. There are even entire books by Tolkien scholars on the theological and philosophical views of Tolkien in his work
@@finyoung1261 No, Frodo was corrupted by the ring. He did not chiose nor ever desired to wield it as a weapon againsg the enemy. As Tolkien himself explained in a letter, Frodo got as far as he could resisting the ring's evil before it got the better of him to finally put it on which ended in what he called a eucatastophe. That's not the same thing as willing to choosing to use it for the purpose of wielding it against the enemy. Ie using evil foe the intent to fight evil. That point is made even more clear by Faramir opposed to Boromir or Denethor
@@crimsonthumos3905 I never disputed that Tolkien didn’t believe in objective good and evil my guy, I was merely pointing out the naïveté of his belief.
This game had less production value but a lot better than Rings of Chowder, 100x fold.
So true... T_T. At lest here the elves look like elves, not like pointy eared humans...
Lmfao rings of power hurt you like a cheating ex girlfriend did hahaha it’s like you’re ex is getting fucked by a dude with a bigger dick. Because all y’all do is complain about a show that millions of people are enjoying. Y’all some fucking CUCKS hahahahahaha cry some more about how the elves don’t drink water like they do in books or whatever useless shit you guys bitch and moan about LMFAO
@@pepita2437 i have trauma from looking at dirt and shit stained black elves in rings of power
Wow, the acting of these digital characters is way better than the actual real people in Rings of Power! I will not even get into the writing...
That is not a high bar to clear. About the height of an average dog turd
Galadriel: "It betrayed Isildur... Lol."
"I am the lord of the ring" Chills... litteral chills
"Elf sauron" *face palms
His fair form was called "Annatar, the lord of gifts"
Honestly...with the way they mistreat the lore here, you might as well just call him "Elf Sauron".
@@jrob4795 No fucking excuse for fans, get your mythology right, noobs.
@@jonathanperea953 Elf sauran for life.
To be fair, does it mention that name in this game?
@@jonathanperea953 Elf Sauron owns you.
Like Gimli said: "Never trust an elf!"
The lore in this game is so out of wack but I just love it and it's one of the best lotr games second only to RotK ps2 in my opinion.
The closest I went to true lord of the rings was a mod for minecraft
Shen Dude, i just hooked my PS2 & got it running in HD thanks to 108Op w/ component ports & PS2 HD psyclone component cables.
PLEASE BREAKDOWN WHY ROTK IS AWESOME & WORTH PLAYING?
the writers took incredible liberties in making the lore of these games, but I think I like the addition of world building, tolkien never really talk about rhûn or the east of middle earth much, thus, I like it.
This is a great example of a clearly non canon story that still doesnt betray the themes and ideals of Tolkien, plus gives an engaging story in the setting
Indeed.
If only the RoP writing is as good as this fan fiction. At least make the main character as likable as Talion goddamn it.
Celebrimbor in this game is a beast just like his lore character compared to RoP weird "mix alloy lmao, never thought of that".
Yeah it's the exact opposite of rings of power, it respected the lore.
@@mokeish Respected the what?
You're not a human commenter, you're an AI along with the rest of the comments in this video lol
These games did a better job of Elves than Amazon’s Rings of Power, where they look like they’re Star Wars characters.
At least this Elf-Sauron looked better than whatever Amazon did to Rings of Power show
Although the game writers take incredible liberties with Tolkien, I do like the idea the Shelob was originally Sauron's girlfriend. Hell hath no fury!
Like a woman scorned
I enjoyed that to
I wonder if they got the idea from the Harvard Lampoon's "Bored of the Rings"
The game was pretty fast and loose with the lore, but it was still an enjoyable game. It never claims to be canon, but Shelob appearing as a scantily clad woman was bizarre lol. I found that part to be the strangest choice.
my peepee came out
After watching so many hours of Critical Role, the moment I heard Laura Bailey's voice in this I was suddenly that one meme of Leonardo DiCaprio pointing at a tv screen in recognition hahahah
Clever idea, turning Isildur into a Nazgul... except for the glaring plothole of Isildur knowing where the Ring was!
No he doesn’t, all he knows is that it fell into a river, which is what the orc that attacked him would’ve known anyway.The currents could’ve taken the ring anywhere along its long stretch, and mordor hasn’t invented scuba diving equipment either.
Can't bring back a corpse man. Not even a minor angel like Sauron could do that. Only Eru Illuvatar possessed such knowledge of what happened to a man's soul.
@@sohflipz4439 _Not even a minor angel like Sauron could do that_
Certainly. But the guys behind the game weren't stopped by that :)
For something that is sadly non cannon I really think it could work in a way, only recently been playing Shadow of War but I love the story and the humanizing of Uruk Hai is technically not too far off the Tolkien path by itself ( and no not just because I like Ratbag and Ranger) as I believe he did say in his writings that nothing was beyond redemption but I could be wrong.
Actual best Lord of the Rings production since the movies
I know it is not canon but damn, that was a great story
Who cares? The films are not canon too. The game is basically a extension of the films, that are non canon by nature.
I paused the game shortly after i got Isiuldurs ring and have been 100's of hours playing with Nemesis system.
What a game!
Did anyone realize that sauron sounded just like orochimaru from Naruto when he put the ring on isildur
Same voice actor when he's in his Elven fair form
He sounded like galadriel for a second to be honest
This was a very decent none canon. Loved both games with a passion and for what they were. So hard watching Rings of Power and seeing Celebrimbor not looking like the game version 😆
i pity you for being one of the reasons why we get shit like this
this, i would watch as a tv show no doubt .
Saurons body explodes when his finger is cut off
Frodos gets a new stump when his finger is bit off
This is America
@@dmitriykinzhebulatov More like England
cause he had no body there already, he was an energy being anchored to material reality by the ring
@@wilhelmu sounds deep, Helms Deep
Compared to rings of power, this game was so Great
4:45 Talion just standing there heartbroken, instead of making a rush for the ring.
I can't see how that weird Gollum game will come close to this
I'm not interested in buying that at all, and I'm a huge lotr fan
It got cancelled, for obvious reasons
@@spacequack5470 It was not
I don't care about canon. It was a good story.
Shealoeb is one of the best characters they made in this. Such a great lore bonus.
Not really lore bonus ... Because it ain't part of the lore. Besides she was more of a plot tool
@@joaopedromarquesini1792 The plot here is better than Tolkien.
@@saptakmukherjee7615 no it's not
@@saptakmukherjee7615 thats rookie trolling you gotta step it up.
Why on Earth could Rings of Power not do a storyline like these games had?
7:51 Very true. There is no light that can defeat darkness. Only together can good and evil (light and dark, etc.) create true balance.
See the problem I have is the reason the ring left him is he didn't use it cause he knew wasn't strong enough to control it. He was on his way to Riverdell to give the ring to elrond so it could be destroyed, that's why it left him.
Dude was a certifiable badass. It's why in the books Aragorn is proud of his ancestor not ashamed of his blood. I get why the movies boiled it down though, I'm just assuming these games bias towards the movie plotlines more than anything.
Wow that was badass
If Sauron kwen where Isildur lost the ring when Isildur died, the one ring will be with Sauron.
The ring was lost in the river, likely Orc patrols search for it when they fished out Isuildur’s corpse
It was found by chance but Smealgol and his friend Deagol years later when they went fishing
I'm always wondering, what if you wear the ring and THEN put glove on your hand so the ring would not escape.
Is it possible? Seriously asking.
The Ring is a evil, powerful object that has a will of its own. When it has sapped its wielder of his/her decency, goodness, and self-awareness, when it has served its true master, Sauran, in whatever what the current wearer/vessel can, it abandons him/her by changing size, or by luring the object of his/her death.
There is no fooling The Ring.
Lavender Jack...Swooping On Down.
@@LavenderJack540 I miss the part "luring the object of his demise" now I get it, thanks!
@@lenkaasia3476 legit if the ring can’t get off your finger it can literally shoot off evil gps which will draw beings of Sauron’s servitude towards you by chance or even outright alert Nazgûl to your exact current location for as long as you wear it. XD the one ring is really good at making sure you never sleep peacefully
@@Ryanfinder226
While it doesn't exactly pinpoint your location with 100% accuracy, it does point the Nazguls to your general area, within the KM square or so, if I read it right in the books.
@@LavenderJack540 it doesn't have a will of its own, it literaly is the majority of saurons own lifeforce within it, thats why he is so weak without it and why he took so long to reform after being defeated, its more sauron than sauron is.
The moment Amazon calls in the same dude that dubbed Sauron to play him in Rings of Power, then and only then i'll be half happy with the show.
That won't salvage this mockery
Like this more than ROP already
They really did Isildur dirty. He was a right and honourable king that's remembered for his singular mistake. Also, Sauron was incapable of taking fair forms after the fall of Numenor.
It was a mistake with good intentions. He planned to try and use the Ring for good and when he realized that was impossible he planned to give the ring to Elrond only to die on the road to Rivendell.
That woman looks like Mila Jovavich
If I worked at Amazon I'd have begged these writers to help create "Rings of Power."
Celebrimbor's voice in French fits way more he's charac. Even if you don't speak french go take a look and give me a feedback!
Yes it might be more elf like in my opinion
How do you activate 4k I have it download on xbox just don't know how to use the graphics
Talk about butchering the source material 😤😤😤
Shadow of Mordor and War >>>>>> Universes >>>>> Rings of Powah
These two games are a great altenative to the main story, I love them !
Sauron's corrrupted "esence" was transferred into the ring and in many ways acts like a drug...but power hunger is worse than any drug
my fate is my own... 🔥🔥
And people say Rings of Power breaks the lore... these games shove the lore into a defective blender and turn it on without the lid on.
Tolkien would be rolling in his grave from Shadows of War, it's bad fanfiction at best.
Love both of these games.😍
Ok, this is shocking!!! Celebrimbor wanted to corrupt Sauron and his armies to bring Mordor back into the light. If this happened in the main timeline in LOTR, Celebrimbor would've become a far more dangerous threat which will lead to him facing against Isildur's heir, Aragorn who wields the sword of elendil.
“Amazon’s, The Rings of Power” could never.
Better than Rings of Power. Can we get more quality story telling and characters like this game?
How can you judgr a series not yet released ?
@@JacquesdeJef come back once you’ve watched it all and we’ll see if I predicted the future with a Palantir or not
This game does just as much damage to the lore as people are complaining Rings of Power will, for relatively shallow plotting and thin characters.
@@SonofSethoitae It does not damage the lore because the books obviously exist without the games/films. It's a good game with a good story anyway.
Regardless that isildur's body was not available for sauron, this is still in the spirit of tolkien's work more than rings of power...
Like one great wise olog said: “Dark Lord, Bright Lord same thing really.”
This is like 30 days of night where he willingly becomes a vampire
In fellowship when they fight on weathertop. I like to think talion was the wrath who falls and quickly climbs up the side of the cliff.
Cool
that Playstation sound at 1:44 lol
the elves in this game are only power hungry
" in the body of elf or man...you are unchanged celebrimbor"
You see this is why you never trust an elf.
Lord of the rings first part i loved this one 👌👌 Marvelous
Where's his personal bodyguards of at least 300 men?
Wait....the voice of Sauron on this game is the same voice as Orichimaru. 👀👀
This is still 10x better then rings of power 😂
Hatred and jealousy brew within elves like a poison , they hold it in for so long in the belief it makes them weak and yet that’s why men are better they can realise their emotions and continue to embrace what’s right and Good without falling to darkness
"Isildur, i release you!" you can't release a Nazgul until the One Ring is destroyed, don't he know that?
Celebrimbor has the excuse of being mad because of what he endured in life and death but the other elf has no excuse for believing that that mad plan would ever work. A Maia enslaved by a elf? lol
Since when Shelob care about anything but her next meal?
I dont think he has the knowledge of Einstein.
He just did it without knowing.
@@xXSilentAgent47Xx yeah but that shouldn't have work.
“A Maia enslaves by an elf?” Part might need to be rethinked. It’s implied heavy in the books that powerful elves like Galadriel could defeat/enslave a ring less Sauron if she had the one ring. Along with Glorfindel and a few others. I’m not saying you’re wrong, I mostly agree with you.
Celembribor was from Faenors line, that was an elf that waged war against Morgoth, the master of Sauron, even if he ultimately lose, he was still very powerful.
@@matejkopa97 that still doesn't make him powerful enough to dominate a minor god. Feanor never faced Morgoth in combat and was he three time more powerful than he was, It still wouldn't have been enough.
this should have been the amazon TV show
una película o una serie de esto................YA!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!
100 times much better than the woke of power.
I always wondered if she was supposed to the same tauriel from the hobbit
What am I watching? This looks like a really good video game
WOW
09:27 better writings then the whole of rings of power
No in fact, from an objective viewpoint its equally bad. But to you it is not, which is fine.
A damn shame they’re not making a spin off.
Fun game, but has nothing to do with Tolkien beyond the use of names and locations.
It's really best you just see the game as it's own story, rather than connected to much else
I'm sure after rings of power, we will love this game because it has much more to do with Tolkien than the TV show
Orochimaru voice actor for Sauron is perfect
at this point in time sauron wasnt able to came back to middle earth it took him a long time to regain enough power so he wasnt able to turn isildur...who was dead a empty shell without soul wich was needed for turning into a nazghul
While I like these games Isildur in the books would never have fallen to Sauron. In lore he takes the ring more out of pride with the intent to use it for good, and his rule while he's in Gondor is considered to be benevolent if anything. When he inherits Arnor he's come to the realization that he's unable to control the One Ring, and so he decides to make a pitstop in Rivendell to speak with Elrond with the intent to give the Ring over to the Elves. He describes using the ring as "bringing him great pain" and if anything is eager to be rid of it.
When they are attacked on the road he outright refuses to use the ring even at the urging of his sons, he only relents when his last living Son begs him to use it to escape. The Ring betrays Isildur over the fact that it really CAN'T control him (at least not as well as it might otherwise) and so it leaves him. When it does right before his death Isildur finds great relief it it being gone, not sadness or some desire to get it back. He's of course killed shortly after this happens.
Assuming he WAS dragged before Sauron the Dark Lord would find it impossible to control him, as his will was profound. This isn't to say he was impervious to the Ring's evil, just that he was resilient to it.
we can't know that. simlarilon doesn't go into psychology of isildur in that detail; the narrative you present is derived from unfinished tales, which were written post tolkien's death, and might be considered as canon as this game
Why couldn't amazon here these game-writers for ROP?
Took a long time before the Nazgul lost there human forms.