What an EXPENSIVE MISTAKE! Here's the run down...
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- čas přidán 29. 08. 2024
- SO MANY PROBLEMS AFTER DROWNING THIS 4x4. After the HUGE STUFF UP where I helped drown my son's 4x4, in this video I go through the clean up and the repairs that were needed to my son's Toyota 80 series Landcruiser. PLUS the costs involved in the bad decision to drive into the mud puddle. If you haven't seen the drowning video check it out HERE 4wd! • HUGE MISTAKE... I help...
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Submerging a vehicle in anything other than fresh water is the gift that never stops giving. Mud, sand, salt or other contaminates only makes it worse. Even after you replace the obvious things like bearings, continuing rust and corrosion will keep wrecking electronics, wiring and wire connectors for years. It's why insurance companies often total vehicles that have been submerged.
Thanks for the warning!! I'm never going near mud again!!
I really hope the deep clean does the the trick.
Great chanel, keep up the good work 🙂👌
It's great that you are showing the ramifications of what happens.. not many of the people that go into those bog holes think of what comes after.. I keep my 80 out of bog holes like those at all costs.. It will be interesting to see what electrical problems he has down the track with all the wiring......
Yeah. It should be ok. I checked a few of them.
Two positive things came out of the bog hole.
1 you got to spend time with Arron and that’s priceless.
2 it’s an 80.
I love the passion how did the sound deadening go. Keep up the great work Matt. 👏👏👏
Thanks. The sound deadening wasn’t as exciting as we hoped.
@@MadMatt4WD That's a shame. I have a heap of those pads to put into my 105, and I was hoping for a marked improvement.
Great video! 👍
I avoided mud whenever possible in these Central Utah mountains, three different colors of it from sticky clay, sandy loam to various sizes of rocks. Getting it all off and out of everything can take many hours of a few days, especially when I always seem to be alone for that! Lol.
Keep my top and doors on to keep interior cleaner now if I know I'll be in mud, if the 35's go under that's about as deep as I like to see and get through/out of the puddle as quick and smoothly as possible! 👍
The Sandy loam does some damage
Thanks 🙏🏻 Matt for this
Mud bath lesson. We should all learn from this and sensibly, avoid those mud driving scenarios!!
The bearing may not feel bad, but I feel bad for the bearing. Thanks for showing the realities of run'n the bogs!
awesome to see a young man working to repair and keep his vehicle working instead of these days trading it off or expecting someone to buy them a new one. Mud water and sand cause havic in places you'd never think it would get into. Just replaced the rear calipers on my Jeep with less than 30K miles. Piston got water behind the rubber seal which eventually seized it. Offroading costs money for sure. Nice vid Matt
"awesome to see a young man working to repair and keep his vehicle working"
Yeah, it's a dying skill! I'm 'training up' a young friend of the family to do all his own repairs, not just cars, everything, washing machines, fridges, Hi-fi systems.... If it breaks, it's a great candidate for a repair!
Yes water/mud don't play.
I love that you help your son get his rig back up and running again in top form !!
I love spending time with him. He's a great guy! At the moment he is in a situation where he has limited avenues to maintain and fix his 4x4 which is tough!
That was down there pretty deep. The snorkel saved him a bunch. Water and sand mix is about as bad as it gets and it's gets everywhere. Glad you guys got it fixed and back on the road.
Pilbara red dust gets into far more places than any sand ever could!
Out here we don't drive anywhere when it rains. There's nothing worse than driving on dry wheel ruts.
Yes the damage to roads is horrendous in the wet.
I've never seen an alternator bearing fail like that.
Yeah me either. He was mid trip when he called me asking what the noise was so he still had 500 ks to go. I think that killed it
Bearing + water never ends with 'and they lived happily ever after'...
Top video. It's amazing where water and mud will sneak into.
I like the 100 series drawer handle, thats original. Good to see another father son combo looking after their Cruisers and having fun!! My father and I really enjoy doing projects, maintaining and doing tasteful mods to ours.
That is so cool! Yeah that handle is a bit different.
Hi Matt, I bought a 2nd hand GU Patrol that I thought was rust free until I looked under the dash and OMG the surface rust on everything was atrocious, had to get cluster rebuilt along with door locking and window regs replaced. Haven’t taken the carpet out yet but I’m expecting the rust to get worse, my auto electrician suggested to get rid of it. Beware of flood affected vehicles when buying 2nd hand.
That sucks
Great job guys - you're a good team 👍Thanks for turning me off dodgy mud holes... that kind of money (even more if you're paying a mechanic's labour) is better off going towards adventure holidays.
Glad you enjoyed it
Matt, I see it here in New Jersey not from bogging, but from floods. They towed out over 50 cars and trucks that tried to play "Submarine". Worst was a brand new F-350 that was up to the dash with windows open... Immediate write-off. This was from a 5km stretch of road.
Wow
I can relate to that.
I submerged my old troopy many years ago in mud.
Gearbox, alternator, wheel bearings, hubs, starter, then a about a month later front and rear main seals on the engine.
Expensive exercise and I have tried to avoid deep mud bogs ever since
Great informative video, I will stay well clear of mud.
I liked the cost summary at the end but geez the costs kept adding up!
Is a cavity below floor level that has four big chucks of foam rubber. These were all water logged. It was luck I found them otherwise they would of rusted four holes is the sills.
It was a lesson I’ll never forget.
Gday there. I totally feel your grief. I did the same thing to my 90series v6 Prado. Rebuilt stater motor, alternator, timing belt assembly, A/C pulley bearing, fan belt Idler pulley assembly housing, auto trans flush 5 times, radiator clean out cooling fins.
Had to pull seats out, carpet out, door trims off. One to look out for is down under where the doors hinges are, front & rear below floor level is a cavity with
Those handbrake levers are secured with M6 screws, and the nuts that the screws screw into, are welded to the floor pan. They pull out (what were Toyota thinking!!). When mine pulled out I welded new nuts to a piece of 3mm steel plate (bent to shape) and welded THAT to the floor pan. Suggest you look at doing the same.
Of all the 80s I’ve had I’ve never had that issue
Thanks to you and Robert for being at the Melbourne 4x4 show.
It’s our pleasure
I wouldn't say I've been wheeling that long but I try to avoid mud as much as possible. Had my 4wd almost 5 years and learnt pretty quick how much mud causes problems.
I have experience with this having been a land surveyor in south Florida. Our vehicles were subjected to the Everglades, mud, sand and water daily. The company's we worked for were interested in surveying, not vehicle maintenance, so we regularly had to have vehicles in the shop for repairs. Axles, transmissions, transfer cases, engine accessories.
Water and oil don't mix, don't play in the mud, it's very expensive !!
I once got a TD 6 bulldozer out of Creek and had to change almost every electric connection and the bearings had to be grease great video and stay safe from Georgia
Cheers
Great info
imagine taking that to a shop to get done lol , The cost would be insane ! It's great to work on your own car's .
What an awesome Dad!
😍
I was out wheeling with mates, 2 troopies and 2 Discovery 2's. We finished the day at a big hole. All 4 vehicles had engine temp problems after that, 3 of them shit the engines. Mud through the rad is a killer, definitely need to remove them for a thorough clean.
I'd say the drivers were a big part of it. A mate and me went wheeling in our LR D1s he's 300tdi, mine 200tdi. When we got back I clean my rad out, he didn't, and he hasn't got the lightest right foot.
At 0300 I get a oh shit call from him. On the way home from his late shift 15mi away his D1 overheated. Can I rescue him. I got him recovered and next morning cleared the rad, and got it working.
A couple of weeks later the head gasket blew in it. When I took the head to the engineering shop for skimming they said it was the worst distorted head they'd seen and took the max allowed but still hadn't got all the warp out. Bolt back on with a 3 hole gasket and it fired straight up. Gotta love loyalty from a engine.
All could've be avoided with a bit of common sense.
But a bad day off roading is better than a good day at work🍺😉
Painful experience but so many of us feel that pain, I got told to always carry Vaseline, dieelectric grease and normal grease for those bath occasions but fluid dynamics come into play and mud/water etc will find its way into the smallest hole and doneskis haha
Thanks for the info Matt 👍👍
Alternators that aren't alternating, gearboxes that aren't gearing differentials not differentiating transmission not transmitting bearing not bearing dried mud is like grinding compound. Better pull the universal joints clean repack too. Whoa is me.
My father always said you do things my way; because my way is the the US government's way and since I wrote the books for the US government my way is the US government's way maintenance manuals. When I went into United States Coast Guard a young fresh out of " Offersiring School" man tried to give me a book titled the "U.S. Government Printing Offices; Uniform Standardized Preparation and Painting Manuals For All Branches Of Military." It was just basically the maintenance Bible of the United States military during those years. I said thank you sir I don't need a copy of that book my daddy taught me everything I need to know about what's in that book. Well that young officer got a little indignant with me and said: What makes you think your daddy knows as much about doing this stuff than the guy that wrote this book did. My reply: Open that book to page one down the very bottom, where it says compiled and edited by the American Society of Military Engineers and tell me the name of the principal author; sir! Well after he tries to pronounce the last name about six times and can't get it right "A.K. Bengtson". I say Sir the name is pronounced this way. He says how do you know that I said read my name tag sir. He says it's the same name! I said that's right sir. He's my father. Therefore sir is my daddy taught me everything that's in that book and he is the person who wrote the book. He knows everything that the person that wrote the book knows about doing the work, sir. Was about 20 of us in the deck gang on that ship. We were all smiling with the look of a realization appeared upon that "Off-a -sir's face. The senior listen man in charge of the deck division under the young officer called me a smart ass I said no Chief I'm just damn good. For your information the man who wrote that book was a chief petty officer in the United States Navy same pay grade as you! AK Bengtson work for the U.S. Federal Government as a mechanical and structural engineer after discharge from the Navy. Top secret security clearance. Hope you got a laugh out of my story.
That’s a tops story. Cheers.
I am with you I with you bad mud & deep water I won't go near it failures keep happening starter motors ,alternators wheel bearings CV, gearbox,diff on and on electrical issues as time goes by . 3k + plus many hours of work .been there never again.
this just happened to me , 4wding with my daughter next thing we know , head in the water and mud and nowhere close to winch from, used every single piece of recovey gear we had barely made it out soon as we did the engine stopped managed to get it going and got home fast , th mud had ripped out the rear dif breather ,alternator stuffed ,battery stuffed the car is full of mud the brakes were completey covered in mud the car is in piecces drying out but all warning lights are on. learnt a big lesson,even slightly turned off 4wding. i aslo made every saftey recovery errors
Oh man that sucks bad. This ended up costing aaron heaps. We think we’ve sorted all the issues now but it’s been a huge job.
Yea I agree with you it’s a expensive thing to do, I try avoiding them get called a chicken cause I don’t go 100kms into it, but I don’t wanna damage my whole 4wd it’s just way to expensive
Been there done that, flooded my old NM pajero in a bloody deep bog hole. Cost me almost $4k in repairs and parts. The main issues was alternator, starter motor, and every darn pulley was stuffed. Then fan clutch was full of dirty water, the list was massive.
Worst part cleaning out the mud it got into every nook and cranny you van think of. It also killed my door speakers, etc. So what did I learn check the depth of any water or mud crossing and avoid deep mud holes as much as possible. Oh and yes all my diffs and gear box and transfer case needed flushing, new air filter, and the worst part was my pride was hurting 🤣.
We feel ya pain
Mud is best left to older very simple vehicles. Think pre 1982.
Just part of it. Every rig has limits. If your gonna bog your better off with old school simple stuff. Take a stripped down square body chevy with a bungee corded ice chest instead of the whiz bang overland with a plug in refrigerator. But if I’m camping I’d like the whiz bang with features.
YOUNG ONES LIKE HEAD MUD TRACK
BUT CLEAN AFTER TRIP THAT CLEANS OUT BANK ACCOUNT IN FIX AND REPAIRS
WHEN LITTLE OLD LIFE WILL UNDERSTAND LOOK AFTER YOUR 4X4 BECAUSE DO NOT COST LOTS OF HARD CASH
THANK YOU FOR SHARING THE VIDEO
I had to laugh when that was described as a "Mud Puddle" - Moses couldn't have parted that one!
Lol. True
I just parked up for 3 days after going through deep water the clutch corroded together would not work at all so i had to start in gear and finally after about 20 goes at starting it finally broke loose. NEVER PARK UP FOR LONG TIME AFTER WATER CROSSING.. Get the clutch hot so water is not left on any surfaces .
While Jeeps are not water proof, all of my 2021 Jeep gearing has vent/breather tubes that are at the top of the body tub or fenders. I have had the Jeep above the wheelwells in a river water crossing. Then out of an abundance of caution, I drained my axles, transmission and transfer case oil. There was no water.
This has the raised air intakes as well
This is a big of a lesson without the consequence of doing it yourself.
New cars with all the electronics though 🫣. I cant imagine the gremlins you could get.
Even my 05 vehicle has an electronic pedal that i wish i could adapt it into a cabled one😅.
I don't know how people have fun in mud, this is what's happening and there's no avoiding it. I see people sink brand new trucks in America because "that's how they're meant to be used". No, that's not how. Nearly as bad as salt water and I wouldn't really consider "mudding" (as many call it here) wheeling.
Totally agree
By the look of that engine bay and water marks.... He never cleaned it since. Everything should be at least hosed down ASAP after a bogging to help stop that wear and tear.
We hoses it down that night it happened.
Surprised you didn't lose the idler pully bearings...oops commented too soon. I eventually had to change AC clutch bearing too.
Yeah they all cop it
I flooded my old Maverick years ago and filled up the fuel tank from a small crack in the overflow line, flushed it so many times, took it to mechanic to get it fixed but still had mud issues in it but had to buy a new tank in the end. Thankfully it was on duel fuel. Then first trip off road dropped into a rocky rut and cracked the new tank🙁
Wow that sucks
People that enjoy throwing their rigs into bog holes are surely the most easy going people on this planet haha.
Haha! And happy to keep busy with maintenance too
Clutch will be next to go
Given they changed the gearbox I would hope it’s been checked out.
I’ve always had the alternator brushes go on the hilux or they wear quickly after mud dumped a alot of inox through the alternator after muddy water crossings seem to have kept the bearings going.
Yeah me too. I carry spare brushes.
Don't use WD-40, Use INOX-MX3 or INOX-MX4 for food safe areas, made at Chetwynd St, Loganholme Queensland😁
@MadMatt4WD do you have any vids or info on relocating the washer bottle to install the second battery?
No mate but usually the other side of the engine bay works.
ohh noo 🏞️🤙📹😎🛻
That'd be the reason why all the expensive stuff is on the inside of submarines. In all seriousness though (not that submarines aren't serious) it doesn't matter how much prep and maintenance work you do on your vehicle, commercial 4x4s are not designed for extended periods of operation under water and components being submerged for an extended period is going to end in tears. We have a Canter 4x4 truck that has much higher clearance than most vehicles and we still try avoid submerging anything on it with oil seals if we can avoid doing so.
With any luck you'll be able to pull the 'box down and rebuild it as a spare - just as long as fine grit hasn't taken the hard casing off the gear teeth you should be okay (hopefully it's just lapped them in nicely!). Unplugging any multi-pin plugs that were submerged and re-connecting them with dielectric grease is great insurance against future electrical gremlins if you have the time - especially any hidden under the carpet etc that are harder to access once the vehicle goes back together. Fingers crossed you avoid too many more unexpected repairs over the coming months.
Absolutely! I used to own a 4x4 canter many years ago. They are a different kettle of fish to drive on the tracks.
Thoughts on the radiator your son is running - had any issues? Need to change mine and thinking of going alloy.
It’s been great. It was hand made by a fella who’s retired now.
I went in deep water once and I had to replace the hanger bearing and every joint in the driveshaft in my F450. Looks like I came out real easy compared to this
Yeah the love kept coming with this trip!
Did the fridge still work after being part submerged?
Yeah which was good
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Chicken track or backtrack when the stick says too deep, from now on
I hear ya.
Got to say i really enjoy your channel. Most of the other guys with channels like this seems to be a bunch of assholes! Keep up the good work!
So many come across as daddy's money spoilt brats.
If these issues are a direct result from the incident would this not be one for the insurance company to cover ? Cheers
Yeah but we want to keep the car. Too hard to replace.
Only go mud if you have a new vehicle and you are rich.
Never do it on a classic vehicle like this 80 . Sometimes it will take months to find parts
Oh don’t we know that to be true. We hated mud before this and hate it even more now.
Factor in the hours of labour and the cost will be way more than 5000
How do you rate the sound deadening? And what brand did you go with?
It didn’t make much difference. Not sure the brand.
I watch motorists in news clips plowing through deep water apparently thinking nothing of it.
Great up front honestly to show just how bloody stupid it is to drive through muddy water ; even if shallow water "just for fun" because the 4x4 fun can/does become $$X$$ tears sooner or later . Driving though Salt water is even worse and dumber imo
I would rather be the old nerd in a lifted Vitara than having the $$X$$ tears
''That was fun --- now how do I get to work to pay for that fun'' . Perhaps that needs to be taught more even though most idiots will take no notice.
I will be booking-marking and sharing the this video
Two months after and still mud everywhere... cleaning asap would have solved so many things
We did as much as we could that night when we got home but he had to travel the next to get back to work. We did what we could.
for someone who is new to these videos and the backstory. Did he have diff breathers for the diffs, gearbox and transfer case coming right up to the top of the engine bay firewall? shame what a tragedy. perhaps being that deep and for that long, breathers wouldnt of helped anyway
He has diff breathers and the gearbox stuff is good. I think it came in via a seal that was old.
So how do you prevent the damage
Stay out of mud. 😜
@@MadMatt4WD haha but why have a 4wd then
@@Joseph-ld7vr so many other cool ways to wheel. Watch some of my other videos.
Another reason I'd never buy a used fourbie off of a p plater
Mud is money
Mud means money
But the mud bath gives him bragging rights... Very expensive, time consuming, regrettable, bragging rights.
Lol. Yeahs rather pissed to be honest and not bragging about it
Yeah not a fan of mud.
How poor is your maintenance that it killed the bearings, the alternator, and the gearbox? I have regularly had my 80 with mud and water over the bonnet and never had these problems. All you need are some raised breathers and a properly maintained truck.
Water has a funny way of creeping into places you wouldn't think it could get into. When it's carrying an abrasive like mud or sand with it then any bearings that are continued to run without immediately cleaning and repacking will be quickly destroyed. If there's salt in it, then every electrical connector and electronic component will likely fail. And the older the vehicle is, the more likely any sealant will be dried up or cracked, making it even easier for water to creep in. As far as their maintenance is concerned, how often do you think the average off roader goes over their entire wiring harness and reseals every connector or repairs every weeping gasket? Remember, if oil can weep out, water can leak in.
He has raised breathers and he does his best to maintain the vehicle. The wheel bearings were probably due but the mud certainly stopped the ship real quick. What I’ve found is the a vehicle in good order will cope for a while and then all of a sudden things start failing for quite some time. You’ll find your 80 has issues bubbling away that you haven't found yet.
If the pain outweighs the fun don't do it
Yeah the pain came right at the point the fun stopped