The Worst job ive ever seen
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- čas přidán 28. 08. 2024
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This video is for entertainment purposes only and is in no way intended as a guide or 'how to'.
If you are venturing into commercial work always ask to see the asbestos register before venturing into ceiling and ensure you are trained in asbestos awareness yourselves. Data engineers are one of the trades most likely to be exposed to asbestos during their day to day work.
Just on look at the dust in the air and what's settled on all of the surfaces. Then add the ceiling tiles and pipe lagging etc.
Yep I work for Openreach and we always ask for an asbestos report
I was coughing looking at some of that pipe lagging
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As a tip for data cable, it normally has metre marks on it, so you don't need to pull one out to measure it to match length, you can just read off the first and last metre marks and it'll tell you how long it is...
Normally *all* cable have meter (or miles) markings. But some companies stop to do that for an unknown reason.
One thing to remember when you do an industrial or commercial job , your on a fixed price which has been cut to the bone and you got to do the job within a fixed time , which is near impossible. Go and work in a supermarket when you have to pull through 70 plus cat 6 cables running in all directions and you have a maximum time of 8 hours and your on a financial penalty if you don't complete on time so yes it get thrown in they don't care how it looks there only interested in does it work
100% it's all about the money 💰
yup. contractors pyramid at work!
Looks about right for a commercial building. Lashed in.
I've seen similar in the past. It's just the result of how offices evolve over time, and they usually want it done quickly and cheaply, so corners get cut.
In my last office I did perversely enjoy data cable fit out archeology tracking back the various bodges by cable standard age. The first stuff was always spot on, and progressively got worse and worse the more recent it got.
@@Extragonk That was indeed the norm - a bit like the rings of a tree 🙂
the majority of commercial units start out being well installed then tenant after tenant gets Sinbad in to add sockets change the lighting throw up some walls and the control is no longer there
For each network switch, have a patch panel above (connect to the top row of ports on the switch) and one below (connect to the bottom row ports on the switch). If seen it done so on another channel and it makes it look neat and avoids having a rats nest of cables at the front of the cabinet
That’s normal in poorly funded/spending SME buildings. It is also a prime example of why premature collapse rules were bought in, just think in a fire that shit just drops. Loads of space to put in some cable trays and use some Velcro tape but that costs a few extra pennies and so many won’t spend them.
Fir your data cable pulling, tape only the pull end. Hint if you've pre run out cable to length ready for pull, great if you have enough man power to leave it stretched out but more common pile the cable in a big fig8 when usually let's it feed off nicely. This especially for the in between pulls. Never coil.
Nick, you asked is it normal? well, yes it is, often (as others have said) the job was won on price, not quality. At the end of the day, the customer knows it works, so why should they worry, but the poor s*ds who have to put it in are on a time limit, and are often given "just enough" cable to do the job, no cable tray or trunking or any other means of support. It would not be possible or practical to (as someone suggested) to rip it out and start again, it would take time to take the cables out (Time=money) and it would take a long time to run new cables, so who is going to pay? The customer will not be interested as he knows what he already has works, and its not as if you could sell the cables for scrap (Too much plastic) so you would then have to pay to dispose of the old cables. It's sad that it is this way, but that is how it is.😐
Data doesn’t need to comply with regs so, you’ll see a lot of it in commercial installs. I worked on a nightclub project where the cable weight was collapsing the suspended ceiling. Older installs occasionally have taped joints, etc.. Part P, etc., only covers domestic installs so, unless an incident occurs, HSE /Councils have no authority.
I remember that domestic job you did a when back where you used wire basket in the loft... If there was ever a time you should've used it, it was this one :)
New batteries in the label machine should fix that dim lettering issue
You should see analogue telephone exchsnges. In my day it was all trays and tied every few inches. Too labour intensive so they put a mesh ceiling and threw cables across. Never move a cable (certainly not remove) just throw a new one in for every change. Should only have needed to change at patch panel (TJF/MDF) but that never lasted. Same guys moved to digital. Proper data design should use fibre links to local data switches for every area. Great you are learning about it since it will be more used in domestic as the limitations of wifi are recognised.
Where’s your Mask especially in that dirty dangerous loft. I used to do hotel systems and yes that’s normal for most instances as the previous installation team where on price work and didn’t care , but good to see you do and teaching them lads good. I would replace your cartridge in your label machine if still light could be the printer head?? 😢
Very easy to see the wrong things since they build this house:
- no build-in floor for going
- no exclusive space for 230 Volt cable / (fire-)alarm / data cables
- no full fire protection inside the house structure
- no full smoke protection inside the house structure
- no full insulation of this house. No need heating at winter and cooling at summer?
Easy to fix - make all new ...
Can you imagine if you had to run a home run for every socket and light fixture in a house? That's what they're doing here. Better bet to run a trunk line to the space where there are a bunch of drops located, and then have short drop lengths to the individual locations.
The cost of cabling can really add up, especially when you add in labour costs. Even if you have to add in additional switches, it can often be cheaper.
Ah Spaghetti Ravioli! The cabling, all of it in the ceiling!
i bet the cables are what is hold the building together tbh
wow what a great episode Nick good work.Blimey the ceiling space looks like the 70s the lagging on the pipes is asbestos.There is also no fire blankets or barrier between the rooms.They require a fire risk assessment.100% they haven't got a asbestos report or register.Still great video why did the biggest fella get in the loft.sod that
Welcome to data cabling life.... haha It's what I call contractors who bow and arrow cables through roof space. No containment, no all round band for the majority of cabling. An absolute mess best to keep your cabling away from this nest. The grey cabling looks perfect from good quality contractors.
Man, compared to Central Europe or Scandinavia, the UK is such a 3rd world country when it comes to tradesmanship. (Not talking about Mr Bundy, of course!)
Stuck my 65inch on the wall using 6 x Bullfix fixings as I couldn't find a stud where I needed it to be. I then found the stud afterwards and drilled another pair of holes in the TV mount just to make sure. Those Bullfix fixings are pretty impressive, definitely worth a look into for the future mate 👌
As a network engineer, I have absolutely seen worse. If you've never heard the term 'waterfall of cables' then you are a lucky one. Haha 😂
Said the same, absolutely rat nest! Not only that, look like most ceiling missing insulation so their heating bill will be 📈
wish i was closer mate, i would have happily releaved you of the old data cabinets, keep up the great work, nice to see something different.
BTW… You can’t install new cables in/above corridors anymore.
? What regulation is that? You can run cables in escape routes but they require fire rated support of some kind. Rings, tray. Regular metal ties etc. Corridors are the easiest way to run cables IMO.
Typical suspended ceiling void that. Data Monkeys are worse than Plasterers.
Standard practise for commercial seen a lot worse. Typically done by the failed electricians (fire & data guys)
Nick. I’m thinking you’re corrected about those passages cut out in the loft walls being violation of fir regulations 👉🏼
Should be refrained with access door's to slow fire spreading through the roof spaces
Do the regs about premature collapse for electric cables, also apply to data cables?
@Lee Roberts doubt it... the main 'point' of the premature collapse rules is to stop live mains floating round. Data cables a) extremely low DC voltage - even PoE is 48v DC and b) with the amount of copper in cat6 (most solid core is 24awg) its likely to hust burn through.
I could of course be wrong. But considering premature collapse seems to be focused on reducing electric shocks as opposed to trip/debris hazard.
Very few building regs apply to data cabling.
@@Thats_Mr_Random_Person_to_you I was lead to believe that the prem collapse regs were to keep escape roots clear and to help prevent firefighters getting tangled up in cables in a burning building.
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See en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Shirley_Towers_fire
That looked like a nightmare to do. Top work and cheers for the video take care
13.15 its all against regs. All cables (mains,data,communications,fire) should be fixed with metal fixings every 300mm
Only time you see neat data is whenever it's ran in during the build stage. Any amendments after as the building changes use are usually thrown in. See it on a daily basis, unfortunately the result of price work!
Slotted plastic cable trays are a real need there. All those network cables have length markings printed on them, so figuring out how long is easy. Time to chop out the old dead ones, and make a big pile for that scrap cable pile, and then put all new in conduit. But if you think that is bad do not see alarm installers, who seem to think that slack is evil, and cut every cable to exact length, and run point to point, even if the attic looks like a spider web of white alarm cables......
I think the existing installation was done on the cheap.
Love the cutouts in the loft walls. 🤣. Was that tv prog called total wipe out ?
Yep looks normal for commercial
Serious question to the sparks out there. Is it common or not for serious/prolonged work in crawl spaces like this to have masks on to stop the fibers or does everyone just breathe it? I know its not toxic, but its definitely something long term will never leave the lungs and must cause issues.
Where's the containment? Metal fixings due to premature collapse in a fire?
Nick as a structured cabling tech that hurts inside to see this , it's a rats nest . Wish I could have been involved in that looming all them up on basket. I'll try send u some work on your email on how we do it . Top video as always keep um up
I can confirm that network cabling/businesses are a mess
Common for an office building run the cable as fast you can in normal.
First thing you think of in domestic properties is about premiture collapse, you Chris and the Artisan lads always mention it use metal clips or all round band. It's never the same in most commerical buildings. Some guys use cable tray make it neat and show pride in there work others cables lashed left right and center, you would think it would be a major priority in commercial as it's a public space proving more safety measures should be encountered towards.
That's a data Mass. The cables that are secured are the ones that are actually properly done. Unfortunately it's data so there's no regulations like safety involved. until you get to a point and there's so many cables unsupported that are taking your ceiling down.
Adam pulled rank and Nickolas in up in the loft. Funny! 🤣
Spaghetti junction, what a joke .
Damn i thought some house work was rough, this is brutal !!
Wouldn't a couple of network switches reduce the number of long cable runs although more expensive than cable? I did some rewiring of lighting circuits in a commercial building previously used as a telephone call centre and the dropped ceiling was similar to that full of old telephone cables! This is in Canada though!
Why do data like that? I would fit maybe 3 or 4 10GB data cables between switches then 1GB cables from each switch close to the data conection point or camera. That way you only run a few cables. No one qualified in the last 20 years, has used that method of arcitecture
Hm, I dunno, all same floor linking back to the central core rather than duplicating distribution switches per room, the first is cheaper in replaceable kit, I don't often see distribution switches put in deliberately if the lengths are this short
yes id do all 1G and just link them up to switches to then come off that with a 10G to the center
Would save a lot of cable.
Nice job, I probably would have used a different colour cable for the cameras
Young boy, the cheapest are not the real switches with VLAN and other services and the power connector. The cheapest are *the cable* ! It can be 100 meter every segment without problem. BTW: Do you not want have really three or four "expensive" switche how you "should" administration - if one enough!
@@spewmister Why? The colour in the cable not make the signal faster.
Hager Klik 6A lighting distribution system plug and socket (Kliks)
Regards Brother printer I have the same 550w and it fades if battery is getting low and if very cold overnight and left in the van
Ps Nick and Co Great content you put alot of us sparks to shame
Yeah done cabling jobs before and it sometimes is the case if people are lazy. I would fire clip some of it or try and get it off the ceiling. Surprising how much cable you use 😂👍
My labeller does that if the battery’s start getting low.
Why waste money on expensive labels when a flag ty-rap will do.
Not a commercial job. More like IT dept trying to do stuff themselves on the cheap.
Why not number drawing 1 to whatever you needed and does cat6 cable meet the fire regs?
Some banding on the trussed rafters I think 👌
Omg who ever run them data cables needs to get out the Job that's beyond a joke
Should have looked in the ceiling before you started 🤣🤣🤣 can of worms 🪱
Good work done by all
Will be nice to see most of old cat cables not in place less of a rats nest lol 😁
Cable wrap mode is the better choice for labels.
Yes wayyyy to common for lazy wiring. Remember you need to maintain segregation of wiring systems.
I should know but are you with napit or nicis just wondering who to go with?
He is with napit
Commercial normally tray from what I’ve seen
Looks like shop fitting to me
It looks like a challenging job for sure, but you tough lads can handle it!
Are we going to meet your dear brother?
Take care now!
I'm here, hi!
Not exactly challenging
where’d you get them gloves from?
Electrical wiring in Ohio be like:
Looks like load of IT guy weekend specials cause the boss doesn't want to spend any money
is ben your new apprentice or is he doing work experience?
Standard shit. You wanna poke your head above a Sainsbury's ceiling. Jb's galore
Buuuuttt…. Everyone who works on domestic are rough… don’t care about regs.. all about speed…this being said I think the data boys drag most commercial installations down…
Would dado rail trunking be too expensive? Or wireless connectivity? Seems to me the building owners have gone off half cock and not thought it through. Removing or destroying the integrity of fire breaks in the roof space has got to be a bad move surely?
There is a well known business school case study which looks at a factory/stores example. Over the years - many years - as the business grew and changed, the owners would fit out an area with storage racks and they did this on piecemeal basis. One year, a young auditor asked about the shelving holding the parts, finished goods and other stocks, what its replacement cost was etc. That opened up an enormous can of worms because there was, until he asked about it, no mention of the storage system value in the accounts. It had all been expensed and none of it capitalised. When the owners were shown what they should put into the accounts for its replacement, they were shocked to see it was into the 100s of £thousands. Always think of the future.
data, not exciting!
Data done well looks great, but it doesn't kill anyone when done badly, thus it's mostly a mess
very common
All these cables just to watch porn in 4k
Remove all and start from scratch....No time to solve the riddle :D
Aye, evolution, successive tenants botching on top of the previous and landlords that don't care, they get paid regardless.
One half arsed botch job on top of another one...
The furious four
Give me a shout if you ever need a hand with data Nick, I’m based just down the road in Derby
Is that external cat 6 your running ? at my work we are told were not allowed to run that inside due to the toxic fumes it lets off if there was to be a fire . not sure if there's any truth in that tho lol
No, this is not for laughing. True all plastic and all fire are bad for the human body. Of course do you can buy cable how is "self go-out" if you put fire on it. This have do nothing with the colour outside the plastic. He can buy in normal shops only this type of cable. Do not spray at CZcams wrong information!
Start again with a form of proper cable management. Quite common for data boys and girls.
Damn
Just be very glad you're not Fat Sam.
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Nice and cushy..last job in a supermarket was 23kms of Cat6a ( krone riser cable ( heavier ) cable , 500 flouros etc dodgy Cieling ( mainly kirders to wak on and noting to hold … could not pt planks down due cable loosely run onto of the girders…..
Welcome to the world of commercial work this is the norm .