So the hilux goes into limp home mode 3 times and the Colorado gets 2 broken struts yet the Toyota wins? I mean i personally wouldn't own these overpriced models normal LTZ and SR5 are good enough for me but giving the win simply because of its badge and you'll upset all the fans boys is just piss poor journalism
Overpriced?, most people like myself right these Utes off through their business, after purchasing my SR5 I received the gst back which was $5500, enough to pay my lease for 7-8 months off a 4 year lease, capped servicing, depreciation, low fuel cost and resale value turns the hilux into a pretty bloody cheap ute to buy
Miss the old simple cars. Mechanical. ...not computers on wheels. You could fix your own car easily. And you were the sole driver, not a co-pilot like today. Wish I could travel back in time. And stay there.
@Marko San ...so everything in the 21st century is better than what was before? Nothing in the past is better compared to what we have today? Is that the logic you operate by sonny? Isn't that very shallow-minded? Us old people have lived for some time on this earth, and seen a lot. Good and bad, and can compare. What does young people know? One thing I know, young people are ignorant, and arrogant. And that is a bad mix.
im trying to say the car maker is making a car for audience that isn't living in the past if you don't like it thats fine, thats your opinion. But i got my own opinion as well sorry if my OP offended you, my dads old so does my grandpa but i always respects their opinion.
@Marko San ...you didn't offend me. I just came at your statement from my point of view. I have lived in the days when cars were mechanical and you were the sole pilot. And I have compared it with today. And today is of no interest to me, not just when it comes to cars. That's all. That said. Your initial greeting in your first comment sure looks like someone out to offend. But as I see it, much of that comes down to immaturity. You enjoy the modern car as much as you will. I have no problem with that. Go for it. But I can not. It is totally uninteresting having seen a better time.
Looks like you had the Hilux trailing most of the time 3:50. All that dust could have triggered the check engine, not enough air coming through. Did you feel like it lost power with the check engine light on?
owned a single cab colorado so would take it, i know a few guys with new hiluxes and have nothing but issues esp dpf filters I even say a brand new hilux on the westgate in melbourne blowing bright blue smoke....I am not a mechanic but i dare say my old datsun blew less blue smoke
So the rugged X has a part time 4 wheel drive system that will get you almost anywhere...if you're ok with it breaking down all the time. Bizarre...I think Aussie motoring journalists are scared to be honest about crap product in case the manufacturer s ban them from testing. Really the conclusion from this is the rugged X would break down and leave you to die in the.kiddle of no where. On the other hand the Colorado would would be fine other than two crappy canopy hinges and it drives better than the Toyota...but loses...let's hope the Toyota cheques cleared for those poor 'journalists'.
Graham Bridge lol yes agreed, but don’t forget it sells in large numbers so that means it wins right ??? And we can’t bag a vehicle when it’s sales are #1 ? Even when on the day the Holden proved its reliability on test? Sale numbers don’t mean shit in the real world reliability and endurance in harsh conditions, sale numbers only go to prove that people get court on "here say" and sale pitches of manufacturers,along with "well very one is buying one so it must be Great ,right ! It pays to do your homework when buying a ute.
Dra Tempest kind of disappointing that these 2 utes are expensive and supposed to be performance off road vehicles yet come with exactly the same stock engines...aren't VW coming out with a 200 kw Amarok? I'm doubting that it would be more reliable but you'd be travelling a lot faster when it inevitably broke down.
Maybe you should have taken the BT50 from Mazda along as a support vehicle , it’s all ready proven it’s reliability in the harsh and non forgiving Finke desert race with a podium finish and could have towed the Toyota and stopped along the way to pick up the pieces falling off the Holden . Just a thought! But great review on these vehicles.
Hi guys - thanks for a great, honest review and thank you for saying it the way it is...! You will find this is a very common problem with the Hilux and Toyota know all about it but cant/will not fix the issue. Look up issues with Toyota Hilux DPF and you find heaps of articles...! i am disappointed you didnt mention the huge and obvious power difference between the two; the hilux feels like a dog compared to the Colorado...? i know the Hilux has always been a good off-roader but with the DPF issue not sure how you gave it the win.....? long-time Toyota loyalty mentality perhaps?
John_I DPF problem is a super easy fix my friend, rip the DPF out completely and put a after market bypass kit in, my mates been a Toyota mechanic for 20yrs and his seen heaps of people do this, or the other option is the chip that disables the DPF completely
Yes, dpf is1 the issue, I'm also not sure should I get a 2.8 PRADO or get a old school pajero ( MY16 or older which hasn't got dpf) with less money instead
The issue in the latest Toyota is dirt bypassing the air filter, dirtying the maf sensor sending it into limp mode, that same dirt is destroying the engines as well, but Toyota wont fix it.
Gary Jessy - yep fully agree - i work in an industry where I see all of this stuff and we now need to think about ditching the Hilux....? WA mining competencies may be doing the same thing....?
Dra Tempest given the issues those 2 vehicles faced I would have said “we had a ranger wildtrak in support and it had similar/no issues. (Just as a point of reference)
Still had the same old polluting 4 cylinder turbo-diesels and obsolete rear drum brakes instead of a high-performance Hilux supercharged V6 & Colorado supercharged V8 and both needs rear disc brakes with ESC and AEB for braking safely off the road.
ive owned a 2016 Hilux SR5 since new, its been a great rig in so many ways but i can tell you its very under powered. When will 4wd manufacturers get the fact that we want more grunt - its clearly not getting thru. I diesel tuned it and now its great - why cant toyota do that.......
If you think about it, sports cat is a pretty stupid name. What actual sports are there that involve cats, other than as a mascot? Dogs, sure, they are happy to get involved in racing, agility, hunting, sledding, even competition herding. Cats on the other hand tell you to get stuffed and still expect to be fed.
Without even watching, I own a colorado and i'd still pick the rugged x,(If they fixxed the airfilter) It's got more offroad capability with proper options instead of just fucking facepaint like Holden has given the Colorado. Shame Holden, you really cocked the sportscat up. Even the name is horrendous.
Matt Ammon after doing 80000km in a ranger and SR5 I can tell you the hilux is way more reliable, my shit box wildtrak smoked 3 engines, turbo hose, transmission and heaps of other stupid shit, spent more time at ford getting fixed then making me money, never judge a book by its cover!
Had a lux. Ln167. Did 370k B4 engine blew. My ranger pk did head gasket at 250k. Lux ain't wat it was. Just another Thailand ute now. Still driving ranger miss the lux but seeing this hardly makes me want a newer 1
That's what happens when you flog a heavy ute I'm a dirt road with 40psi squeezed into the tyres. 😂 All of these reviews have been out in coober pedy, so itll be the same car getting flogged by all the reviewers.
This whole segment has become WAY OVERPRICED. They're nothing more than overpriced work utes that shouldn't exceed $45K. As for the Toyota, it wouldn't surprise me if it turns out to be a DPF problem.
Oh what a feeling.....TOYOTA! Breaks down and wins???? Talk about a right royal bend over by the white collar corps at Toyota giving it full noise...pedal to metal up the Kyber Pass to these paid actors.
That was a HORRIBLE explanation on the of a winner of this head to head. How can you say a truck is confused about what it wants to be ? Is it because it has multiple functions? You really needed to elaborate. The thing is for this price neither one of them should have had any issues but Lastly, how can a truck break down on more than one occasion in the same day and still win ? Complete rubbish
Yep new model hilux is a pile of junk. Own a sr and nothing but an unreliable overpriced shit heap. Transmission not matched to gutless engine. Useless for towing. Heavy on fuel. 4wd system and diff lock issues. Engine sensor failures. Engine warning lights on dash stay on for hundreds of kms. Rough with 17 inch rims. Dash rattles. Transmission clunks. When in heavy sand can’t activate L4. Rear brakes lock up when trying to reverse in sand with trailer on. If any one thinks this model is good you obviously never go off road.All these issues and my hilux has less than 20 000 kms on it. Just as well I kept my 100 series. Still have 1 good car.
Thought my hilux was made in Thailand.Last week just had the 4wd actuater plastic box on rear of transfer case replaced.Its been grinding into low range and this is another fault with this model.Ive heard a few are getting stuck in low range. Yeh it is a 2.8 litre Canopy tray tool boxes and bit of gear on it for camping. Piss poor performance in hilly terrain and drinks fuel. Around 13/14 Lph. 17/20 towing a boat.
@@toejoe5076 it is posible it is made in Thailand, that s why I asked, argentinian 2.8L tend to have the issues you mentioned, but If its Thai then I guess it has nothing to do with where it is fabricated, the hilux 3.0L from Thailand is proved to be the best so far
tacuazinful Just been out again after 4wd actuater been replaced and still can’t 4wd high range when I want at times. The engine is heavy on fuel highway cycle at 13/14 lph sitting on 98 km per hour.The engine cant handle any weight and the transmission ratios are too high. Got to travel in sports mode 5th cause it only engages 6th down hill then drops back to 5th on level ground. The cars a bit of a joke.Only thing it has going for it is Toyota will fix any failures I’ve had under warranty. Hope one day soon Toyota bring out the 79 Landcruiser with a auto box so I can get rid of this shit heap hilux.
So the hilux goes into limp home mode 3 times and the Colorado gets 2 broken struts yet the Toyota wins? I mean i personally wouldn't own these overpriced models normal LTZ and SR5 are good enough for me but giving the win simply because of its badge and you'll upset all the fans boys is just piss poor journalism
Overpriced?, most people like myself right these Utes off through their business, after purchasing my SR5 I received the gst back which was $5500, enough to pay my lease for 7-8 months off a 4 year lease, capped servicing, depreciation, low fuel cost and resale value turns the hilux into a pretty bloody cheap ute to buy
Both lost
Journalists are political and corporate prostitutes.
Very poor judgement indeed. The damn thing broke down SEVERAL TIMES yet it wins ? Bull to the S
agreed buddy!!
Miss the old simple cars. Mechanical. ...not computers on wheels. You could fix your own car easily. And you were the sole driver, not a co-pilot like today. Wish I could travel back in time. And stay there.
ok old man
welcome to the 21st century
@Marko San ...so everything in the 21st century is better than what was before? Nothing in the past is better compared to what we have today? Is that the logic you operate by sonny? Isn't that very shallow-minded? Us old people have lived for some time on this earth, and seen a lot. Good and bad, and can compare. What does young people know? One thing I know, young people are ignorant, and arrogant. And that is a bad mix.
Clearly that was what was implied. Grow up children.
im trying to say the car maker is making a car for audience that isn't living in the past
if you don't like it thats fine, thats your opinion. But i got my own opinion as well sorry if my OP offended you, my dads old so does my grandpa but i always respects their opinion.
@Marko San ...you didn't offend me. I just came at your statement from my point of view. I have lived in the days when cars were mechanical and you were the sole pilot. And I have compared it with today. And today is of no interest to me, not just when it comes to cars. That's all.
That said. Your initial greeting in your first comment sure looks like someone out to offend.
But as I see it, much of that comes down to immaturity.
You enjoy the modern car as much as you will. I have no problem with that. Go for it. But I can not. It is totally uninteresting having seen a better time.
I love this.. I'm glad you guys managed to test the bolts right off these vehicles.
"Check Engine, Visit Your Dealer" and get RIPPED.
More like which is the best posers Ute! Better off buying the base model and put the icing on later.
I just don’t understand why Isuzu and Toyota have decided NOT to do manual for their top range utes!? HSV gets my money!!
Looks like you had the Hilux trailing most of the time 3:50. All that dust could have triggered the check engine, not enough air coming through. Did you feel like it lost power with the check engine light on?
owned a single cab colorado so would take it, i know a few guys with new hiluxes and have nothing but issues esp dpf filters I even say a brand new hilux on the westgate in melbourne blowing bright blue smoke....I am not a mechanic but i dare say my old datsun blew less blue smoke
So the rugged X has a part time 4 wheel drive system that will get you almost anywhere...if you're ok with it breaking down all the time. Bizarre...I think Aussie motoring journalists are scared to be honest about crap product in case the manufacturer s ban them from testing.
Really the conclusion from this is the rugged X would break down and leave you to die in the.kiddle of no where. On the other hand the Colorado would would be fine other than two crappy canopy hinges and it drives better than the Toyota...but loses...let's hope the Toyota cheques cleared for those poor 'journalists'.
Graham Bridge lol yes agreed, but don’t forget it sells in large numbers so that means it wins right ??? And we can’t bag a vehicle when it’s sales are #1 ? Even when on the day the Holden proved its reliability on test? Sale numbers don’t mean shit in the real world reliability and endurance in harsh conditions, sale numbers only go to prove that people get court on "here say" and sale pitches of manufacturers,along with "well very one is buying one so it must be Great ,right ! It pays to do your homework when buying a ute.
Dra Tempest kind of disappointing that these 2 utes are expensive and supposed to be performance off road vehicles yet come with exactly the same stock engines...aren't VW coming out with a 200 kw Amarok? I'm doubting that it would be more reliable but you'd be travelling a lot faster when it inevitably broke down.
Maybe you should have taken the BT50 from Mazda along as a support vehicle , it’s all ready proven it’s reliability in the harsh and non forgiving Finke desert race with a podium finish and could have towed the Toyota and stopped along the way to pick up the pieces falling off the Holden . Just a thought! But great review on these vehicles.
I would buy an older one HiLux upgrade slowly depending on what I wanted to do
Throw the ranger raptor in there on the next round
Rupeni Igara Why?
79 Series V8 why not... Want to see what the hype is.
Rupeni Igara Yeah ok
Hi guys - thanks for a great, honest review and thank you for saying it the way it is...! You will find this is a very common problem with the Hilux and Toyota know all about it but cant/will not fix the issue. Look up issues with Toyota Hilux DPF and you find heaps of articles...! i am disappointed you didnt mention the huge and obvious power difference between the two; the hilux feels like a dog compared to the Colorado...? i know the Hilux has always been a good off-roader but with the DPF issue not sure how you gave it the win.....? long-time Toyota loyalty mentality perhaps?
John_I DPF problem is a super easy fix my friend, rip the DPF out completely and put a after market bypass kit in, my mates been a Toyota mechanic for 20yrs and his seen heaps of people do this, or the other option is the chip that disables the DPF completely
Yes, dpf is1 the issue, I'm also not sure should I get a 2.8 PRADO or get a old school pajero ( MY16 or older which hasn't got dpf) with less money instead
The issue in the latest Toyota is dirt bypassing the air filter, dirtying the maf sensor sending it into limp mode, that same dirt is destroying the engines as well, but Toyota wont fix it.
Gary Jessy - yep fully agree - i work in an industry where I see all of this stuff and we now need to think about ditching the Hilux....? WA mining competencies may be doing the same thing....?
Kelvin woo buy the pajero; it will serve you well
Love from india
How much toyota paid you?
🤦♂️
There is a ranger in the background at 2:24. Wonder how that went!
yowie1337 well observed. And good question.
kodiak7 support vehicle maybe?
Dra Tempest given the issues those 2 vehicles faced I would have said “we had a ranger wildtrak in support and it had similar/no issues. (Just as a point of reference)
Was probably my old wildtrak that smoked 3 engines, was dead set the biggest shit box I've ever owned
Its still there from the last review!
Still had the same old polluting 4 cylinder turbo-diesels and obsolete rear drum brakes instead of a high-performance Hilux supercharged V6 & Colorado supercharged V8 and both needs rear disc brakes with ESC and AEB for braking safely off the road.
Totes number 3 :)
He likes the sportscat but picks the hilux 😂
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It’s probably a a faulty unit
How is a car confused in what its trying to be its the same as its rival weather it does the job as well is the real question.
what do you exspect when they not built by ozzies any more shit , i was getting the lux but to many probs so im buying the good ole 2010 4d4 model
ive owned a 2016 Hilux SR5 since new, its been a great rig in so many ways but i can tell you its very under powered. When will 4wd manufacturers get the fact that we want more grunt - its clearly not getting thru. I diesel tuned it and now its great - why cant toyota do that.......
Paul M exactly
If you think about it, sports cat is a pretty stupid name. What actual sports are there that involve cats, other than as a mascot? Dogs, sure, they are happy to get involved in racing, agility, hunting, sledding, even competition herding. Cats on the other hand tell you to get stuffed and still expect to be fed.
with that speed u gonna kill every shit.
Without even watching, I own a colorado and i'd still pick the rugged x,(If they fixxed the airfilter) It's got more offroad capability with proper options instead of just fucking facepaint like Holden has given the Colorado. Shame Holden, you really cocked the sportscat up. Even the name is horrendous.
How does hilux win when it keeps breaking down. Ranger people.
Matt Ammon after doing 80000km in a ranger and SR5 I can tell you the hilux is way more reliable, my shit box wildtrak smoked 3 engines, turbo hose, transmission and heaps of other stupid shit, spent more time at ford getting fixed then making me money, never judge a book by its cover!
Had a lux. Ln167. Did 370k B4 engine blew. My ranger pk did head gasket at 250k. Lux ain't wat it was. Just another Thailand ute now. Still driving ranger miss the lux but seeing this hardly makes me want a newer 1
Early rangers 2011-13 def had issues. Seems to be a lot less common now
It’s a working car not a car used in Dakar rally. Why are you guys screwing it with that speed??
O dear.... TOYOTA.!
All vehicles should be built up to a standard not down to a price.
hulix is one which longer and it's best
That's what happens when you flog a heavy ute I'm a dirt road with 40psi squeezed into the tyres. 😂 All of these reviews have been out in coober pedy, so itll be the same car getting flogged by all the reviewers.
The new hilux is nothing like the previous KUN26r, the last of the unbreakable hilux. Not a fan of the new ones
Looks like I scored when I saved me $20,000 and bought a Triton.
You really diddnt 🤣🤣
This whole segment has become WAY OVERPRICED. They're nothing more than overpriced work utes that shouldn't exceed $45K. As for the Toyota, it wouldn't surprise me if it turns out to be a DPF problem.
Yeaaa I think I’ll stick my 80series thanks, New 4wds are such junk. Can’t even drive on a dirt road without falling apart haha
I would rather lose the HARD LID THAN HAVE A VEHICLE GO INTO LIMP MODE, ESPECIALLY OUT IN THE BUSH. cOLORADO HANDS DOWN FOR ME.
Thats what happens when you move productions overseas, Japan.
Chuan Yong The Japanese-built Prado has the same problem with dust ingress. Nothing to do with the Thai factory
Camera car is probably the old trusty dmax, to tow these two shit boxes! :D
Oh what a feeling.....TOYOTA! Breaks down and wins???? Talk about a right royal bend over by the white collar corps at Toyota giving it full noise...pedal to metal up the Kyber Pass to these paid actors.
Other words stick to old school can't beat a gq
How the fuck did you give this to the Hilux? It's engine was/is stuffed. Clearly new cars. This is ridiculous
Hilux the best
That was a HORRIBLE explanation on the of a winner of this head to head. How can you say a truck is confused about what it wants to be ? Is it because it has multiple functions? You really needed to elaborate. The thing is for this price neither one of them should have had any issues but Lastly, how can a truck break down on more than one occasion in the same day and still win ? Complete rubbish
Every vehicle with a DPF should be crushed.
toyota is boring for me
Ford ranger all the way
And another try hard 4wd
Ford reliability, 2 words that should never be in a sentence consecutively..
mark murimi Mark! now don't be silly.
Stupid
Gary Jessy then I guess there is no good double cab. I had a hilux but sold it & bought a ranger, it's been a year & four months & no issue at all
What a shit show with the hilux.
Yep new model hilux is a pile of junk.
Own a sr and nothing but an unreliable overpriced shit heap.
Transmission not matched to gutless engine.
Useless for towing.
Heavy on fuel.
4wd system and diff lock issues.
Engine sensor failures.
Engine warning lights on dash stay on for hundreds of kms.
Rough with 17 inch rims.
Dash rattles.
Transmission clunks.
When in heavy sand can’t activate L4.
Rear brakes lock up when trying to reverse in sand with trailer on.
If any one thinks this model is good you obviously never go off road.All these issues and my hilux has less than 20 000 kms on it.
Just as well I kept my 100 series.
Still have 1 good car.
Joe Jack you poor bugger, I'll be honest I love my 80000km old 2015 SR5, never had any of the problems you've had
@Joe Jack is your Hilux made in Argentina?? is 2.8L engine your HIlux???
Thought my hilux was made in Thailand.Last week just had the 4wd actuater plastic box on rear of transfer case replaced.Its been grinding into low range and this is another fault with this model.Ive heard a few are getting stuck in low range.
Yeh it is a 2.8 litre
Canopy tray tool boxes and bit of gear on it for camping.
Piss poor performance in hilly terrain and drinks fuel.
Around 13/14 Lph.
17/20 towing a boat.
@@toejoe5076 it is posible it is made in Thailand, that s why I asked, argentinian 2.8L tend to have the issues you mentioned, but If its Thai then I guess it has nothing to do with where it is fabricated, the hilux 3.0L from Thailand is proved to be the best so far
tacuazinful
Just been out again after 4wd actuater been replaced and still can’t 4wd high range when I want at times.
The engine is heavy on fuel highway cycle at 13/14 lph sitting on 98 km per hour.The engine cant handle any weight and the transmission ratios are too high.
Got to travel in sports mode 5th cause it only engages 6th down hill then drops back to 5th on level ground.
The cars a bit of a joke.Only thing it has going for it is Toyota will fix any failures I’ve had under warranty.
Hope one day soon Toyota bring out the 79 Landcruiser with a auto box so I can get rid of this shit heap hilux.