Eurovision - Biggest Disagreements between Jury and Televoters in One Country 2014 - 2021 in Finals
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- čas přidán 2. 05. 2024
- Hi everyone! As we know, since 2013 Eurovision uses the voting system where we know the juries' and televoters' tops 26 in finals (or 24/25/27). Well, we don't know the detailed results of 2013 but we do know them for years from 2014 to 2021 all the way. So, I decided to collect a little statistics: what were the biggest discrepancies between the jury and televote places from one country in finals? It turned out to be a top 26 (what a coincidence!) of differences of 23, 24 and 25 places. Differences of 26 places do not exist and with differences of 22 places or lower the video would've been too long and uninteresting. Enjoy!
Songs in this video:
Moldova 2021 - Natalia Gordienko - Sugar
Albania 2015 - Elhaida Dani - I'm Alive
Poland 2014 - Donatan & Cleo - We Are Slavic
Poland 2016 - Michal Szpak - Color of Your Life
Romania 2015 - Voltaj - De la Capat
Armenia 2014 - Aram MP3 - Not Alone
Russia 2019 - Sergey Lazarev - Scream
San Marino 2019 - Serhat - Say Na Na Na
Lithuania 2018 - Ieva Zasimauskaite - When We're Old
Albania 2018 - Eugent Bushpepa - Mall
Sweden 2018 - Benjamin Ingrosso - Dance You Off
Cyprus 2018 - Eleni Foureira - Fuego
Austria 2017 - Nathan Trent - Running on Air
Croatia 2017 - Jacques Houdek - My Friend
Azerbaijan 2016 - Samra - Miracle
Russia 2016 - Sergey Lazarev - You Are the Only One
Ukraine 2016 - Jamala - 1944
Malta 2016 - Ira Losco - Walk on Water
Azerbaijan 2014 - Dilara Kazimova - Start a Fire
Malta 2014 - Firelight - Coming Home
00:00 Intro
00:16 23 places
04:37 24 places
06:01 25 places - Hudba
I think the reason why there's such a huge difference for Michal Szpak - Colour of your life between the Jury and Televote from Sweden is because of my aunt. I remember her hogging all of our phones to vote for him because he was and I quote "the most beautiful man" she had ever seen. Our phone bills that month were HIGH but she paid us back
lmao
He has a strong challenger now... 😂
That comment made my day 😂
I lol'd so hard on this one
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Jury, tell me you hate Slavs, without telling me you hate Slavs
Jury: Ok
😂😂
Germany: Hold my beer
Slavs refusing to make generic pop songs even if the jury hates them for it is keeping ESC alive
Yup. And that coming from fellow Slavs. Looking at you, 🇨🇿
I think the Slavic countries are always the best at Eurovision tbh
I love how everyone in the comments agree Poland 2016 might be the MOST robbed song of all time
Totally robbed..one of the most beautiful songs I have ever heard in Eurovision!!
Totally robbed..one of the most beautiful songs I have ever heard in Eurovision!!
Well, this year they had a easily top 5 song that got robbed by the jury of their national decider
The rule is: The jury simply cannot stand the positive number of televotes for Poland xD
Bro, this video is fake. Most of this is not true what they say in this video. Check the facts yourself
@@nohatenopain in the case of Polish representatives it is true
I thank the juries for sinking that abomination that was Poland 2016. I couldn't believe the televote result xD
@Startklar: I think you lack reading skills.
2022 Poland: 0 points from Ukrainian jury and 12 points from the viewers.
@@mk3728 Poland was 11 in Ukrainian jury
Juries should be ashamed of what they do to Poland ;-; .
You don't think its a little cheap to just shove boobs in everyones face over a mediocre song?
Hey we British FANS made Poland our first choice!!! It was really catchy.
Poles abroad should be ashamed for mass voting for their country rather than the best song.
@@Beckford4000 I am a Pole living abroad and neither I nor any of the Poles I know here voted for ours, because we felt that it would be unfair. Next time, maybe leave your malicious accusations to yourself.
@@Beckford4000 are you joking? it's judges who did us dirty.
As a Czech citizen I think our juries are probably totally drunk while voting😂🍺
How many times did the Czech jury give 12 Azerbaijan 10 or more?😉
I think they wanted to make sure that neither Russia nor Ukraine will get any points. But they forget that 2016 was the first year when a new voting system was used where juries and televoters votes independently unlike 2013-2015 when this trick would really work (just like with Poland 2014)
Were the Czech televoters also drunk 🍺 when they voted for Moldova - Sugar as their 1st..?
@@Asa...S I guess so.😂😂
@@Asa...S It probably was rigged by Kirkorov (who was behind Moldova that year)
Michal Szpak 2016 and Krystian Ochman 2022 - Poland has insane male vocalists apparently. Wow.
But Jury likes to be political.
@@roseslime713 Jann, who never got to eurovision 💀
@@carolinejonesy2681 yup
@@carolinejonesy2681, his voice isn't that good tho. The song wasn't too tbh. Just opinion
@DorothySTAY in preselection he had very little time to prepare, only 10 days.
🇵🇱 Poland’s Color of your life has such great melody and very well performed.👏🏻
My favourite !!! Love from Ukraine’
Thx ; it's a honey 🍯for us ears👂
Greetings from Poland 🤗
I didn't get it at semifinals and the final and was baffled by the amount of votes, however, it somehow crawled into top-3 of my Eurovision playlist alongside Euphoria and Je Cherche. The definition of an acquired taste 😅
Jury sleeps on Poland's every entry... I hope this year will be different. Go Ochman! Make us proud. 💪🇵🇱
I think the only thing standing in the way of Poland getting the first trophy is the sympathy votes that Ukraine are probably going to get both from the public and from the juries. I love the Ukrainian entry as well as the French one, but Poland is simply amazing this year. The melody is incredible and Ochman's vocals are amazingly beautiful. Good luck, Poland, from Rio de Janeiro, Brazil! You DO deserve this victory!!
Spain will win 🇪🇸🏆olé …Viva España 🇪🇸
@@adamdurand8205 nope and I’ll tell you why and don’t get offended by this , it’s TOO Spanish , a winner needs to connect to all countries in Europe , it will make at least top 10 .👍
i feel like in this year could be the other way around xD experts gives him first place but not as many online voters
@@adamdurand8205 i love Spanish entry this year, if its between Poland and Spain its gonna be a choice between amazing vocals vs amazing performance ability, I am from Poland and i wish those gonna be the top two
I’m Dutch and ‘Color of your Life’ was my favorite song of that year and is one of my favorite songs of all time. 25th place is ridiculous. Last year our jury gave nothing to Italy (Måneskin) either…
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I'm Dutch too and I'm glad we have a jury because 'Color of your life' was my least favourite song that year
@@jebooiii6462 dat kan. Smaken verschillen. Dat is juist zo leuk.
@@Via02.8 jaaaa ik weet eigenlijk ook niet wat ik met die opmerking wilde xD mooie opmerking, lekker belangrijk
Poland 2016 tho, the jury was awful. He should have won.
As a Portuguese, we should have lost
@@franciscosoares2440 You guys won in 2017 not 2016. Also Portugal won both the jury and televote in 2017
No, juries were bang on with that one.
He took a part from "I will Survive" and ran with it. I don't understand how he fooled so many Europeans
Poland and Albania:
Televotes love
Jury hate
I can't wait for this year's results XD
Last year juries really liked Albania. And 2018 they put them really high. So, it can be different. About Poland... yes, technically they've never been in juries' top 10 in semi finals before but they were really close (twice 11th, in 2017 and 2019) and let's be real, they didn't really send many jury-friendly songs. It seems like finally, this year Poland will receive a lot of jury points
@@escserg6731 Poland was in Top10 of jury vote in semifinals in 2008
@@vladd896 But that was in 2008 so how much doesn't it matter now, it's like it never happened. Like who remembers that.
@@escserg6731 "juries really liked Albania last year"
So why Albania came in bottom 5 with 22 points? Lol
@@giovanniscg8540 but they let her surely qualify over Denmark by giving like 70 points to Albania and 9 points to Denmark
Jury system should be modified. They were brought back because televoters were voting for their neighbors, so juries were supposed to solve this problem. But, somehow they fucked up everything. Always there are some strange decisions done by them. Poland 2016, Norway 2019, Ukraine 2021, Moldova 2022 and etc... And I also noticed that juries give too much points for Sweden during the last years while televoters don't
Yes!! The juries are ALWAYS favouring Sweden and it's annoying.
Yeah about Keiino in 2019, there was some technical issues during their jury performances, that could justify the jury low scoring.
I already commented about it somewhere, but i guess what could solve those "weird decision making" is terminating the jury show, so both audience and juries could watch the exactly same performances, see the same things and vote at the same day. It makes much more sense.
Jury is also giving points to friends. Sweden always gets 12 points from Iceland and most of the time Denmark and UK. Greece always gives Cyprus 12 points and also the other way around. It’s lame. But I think it’s never gonna change.
1. This video is fake news. What they say is wrong, check the facts yourself.
2. Juries exist to be unbiased, which means that for example wars, politics etc will not be in their mind. You can see what happened this year, Ukraine won based on televotes and televotes came because of politics. Ukraine single handle won based of some weird kind of sympathy. All those who voted for them think they did something nice and their moral boost got injected 😂😂😂
So whatever you think, the competition is not about what’s the best song is. It’s about politics and the things that are odd (Moldova).
@@nohatenopain you say like juries gave nothing to Ukraine... They placed them 4th. Furthermore, it's audience's choice to vote for whom they want to see as a winner
Whichever jury you are - you just can't leave Michal Szpak in 23rd-25th position. Like, what exactly was their problem with this performance to leave him almost rock bottom? For his vocals alone you should put him top15 at least + staging was pretty nice. Don't think that someone expected him to jump around and make explosions with such a ballad.
i have a theory and it's not a nice one- Juries tend to snub diaspora countries- a lot of televotes for Poland are actually Poles living abroad. Our entries usually do better than they should so a lot of jurors want to offset it so their own contestant has a higher ranking. Jurors aren't and weren't about choosing the actual best song, they're about politics and calculation. Problem is that overcorrection usually ends up costing the song way more than the diaspora vote adds- it's basically UK, Irleand, some Germany, maybe Sweden, but pretty much all of the juries snub it. The fact that our national tv encourages the practice desn't help (yeah, we hate them too)
The thing is- diaspora vote might not even be that much of a factor. Definitely some are doing it, but enough to swing an entire country to 12 points? i highly doubt it. People in those countries actually like our stuff, might be to the fact that people in countries with lots of our immigrants feel closer to poles as they deal with them daily, and on the general scale of thing's- we're not the worst people around. maybe not the best, but not the worst either. so it might get some "hey, i recognise them" points. There's no way to check that though, so butthurt people always assume the worst- it's not that anyone likes us, ever, it's always the fault of diaspora voting, no matter the song
Maybe he did not sing well on the day of the jury vote. He might have missed the high notes. The juries vote another day than the actual final.
@@tomaszskowronski1406 You are right that certain countries will benefit from televoting due to diaspora. As for whether it can have a major effect to swing votes, I have noticed just how much here in the UK, the televotes favour Lithuania. Looking at the statistics for televoting, since 2013 we have had 14 opportunities to vote for Lithuania. We have given them 12 points eleven times, 10 points twice and we gave them 7 points once. That's a total of 159 points out of 168 possible. Although Lithuania can send some really good songs, you can't say that they will always be the best every year. I'm surprised at how much our results sway towards Lithuania because, like you, I wouldn't have thought any community would be able to have such an impact, but it obviously can.
Poor Michal did actually have a pretty serious voice crack in his jury final, you can hear it at about 54;17 in this live stream from 2016
czcams.com/video/VezVTqhNw8E/video.html
This is why I think there should be no jury. People should decide. The jury spoils everything. Poland lost a chance for the win at least once if not twice because of them. So unjust.
I was thinking the same
Im sure that if there was no jury, latvia wouldve made it to the final
But no they had to ruin everything as usual
It was the only song i actually wanted to qualify and now the final will be 2 times less enjoyable
Completely disagree. The jury is there to counter the Bloc/diaspora voting. Why did Ireland give 12 points to Lithuania several years running? Why does the Czech Rep give 12 to Russia/Ukraine/Armenia regularly? Why did Turkey used to get 12 EVERY year from Germany, why did Poland get high votes from the UK every year? It's about diaspora, this doesn't mean Germans loved the Turkish song every year, it means Turkish-Germans were voting en masse for Turkey, same with the Poles in Britain, the Russians in Czech Republic. It became so utterly predictable. Hence bringing in the juries again. The juries help songs that wouldn't get so many votes, for example, these days songs in the first half are largely forgotten by the public, so the jury ensures there's a balance of votes given across all entries in the final. The public are all "ooh something shiny" meaning they're easily pleased by something visual later in the running order rather than appreciating songs for their musical merit, that's the job of the jury. It brings balance.
@@Beckford4000 It brings the balance by adding politics to it. On one hand you've got diaspora voting, on the other - jury being political.
Or do without the countries, go in blindly.... the jury cannot watch any news about the artists at all and they will only hear a recording without knowing the country.... Its not about the country anyway.... all the songs are written by foreign songwriters and producers.......So actually we should call it: which songwriter/ producer wins this year!?
When there is no jury you end up with something like TikTok
Malta was robbed by televoting in 2014!
Also I'm still confused about Polish result in 2016. It's a perfect entry for juries by any means: perfect vocal and beautiful ballad, but they robbed them so badly! Juries, what did Poland do to you?!
Because it's conservative, pro-life Poland 😐 I think EU and EBU don't like us
These wtf things just happen sometimes. Really, the only explanation of this that I could have about this is that enough jurors were from Eurovision bubble (fandom, I mean) and still couldn't forgive him winning over Margaret in the Polish national final in 2016. Very stupid explanation, but it's really the only thing that comes into mind. In other years Poland was really close to be in juries' top 10 in the semi final, in 2010 (!), 2017 (11th), 2019 (again 11th and one of the jurors gave the wrong places, without it it could've been top 10). So, it just something exactly in 2016 happened
@@escserg6731 well, there's not much explanations, so everything is possible!)
And I agree that Polish result by juries in 2010 was strange - it was very bad vocally in my opinion!
The jury evaluates the performer the day before at the first concert. The audience watches the second concert a day later, which also matters for the final score. Not every singer can sing perfectly the same every time. Many singers have failed the condition of their voices during many Eurovision concerts on stage large and small in a short time.
@@sigmadelta1778 yes, but Michal placed very low by juries in the semi final and in the final, so that's why it seems strange. By the way, Melovin had the similar story in 2018.
Belgium 2017 is a great example of the situation that you have described. She was a NQ by juries in the semi final, but was 9th by them in the final. So, it also matters, but sometimes happens something, that is very hard to explain).
Oh yes, Michal Szpak 2016! Because of this singer, I started watching Eurovision. I've been watching every Eurovision Song Contest since then.
Nasza duma narodowa, zaraz po edytce (prawie wygrana), po szpaku była chyba Kasia- też świetny występ, no i nasza najnowsze perełka... *krystian* *Ochman* 🤩
Poland 2014 and 2016 get robbed by juries so much!
seems like czech's juries voted strategically in 2016
It's more like they were really angry at Russia-Ukraine couple) It's only in 2013-2015 juries could give to someone like 24th-25th place and be sure that that country won't get a single point (because due to the way the places were combined in 2013-2015, 25th jury place and even 1st televote place combine into like 11th-12th overall what means 0 points). Since 2016, 11th-26th places mean nothing, we just have 2 separate sets of points, to jury 1st-10th and for televote 1st-10th. Now it's impossible to vote strategically like that, thankfully)
@@escserg6731 I'm guessing this also means that theoretically a song could have received 12 points from a country in the old system but 0 in the new system with twice as many points given (like if the jury bottom 10 was also the televoting top 10 and vice versa and then the 11th place in jury and televoting was the same).
@@StarTheTripleDevil Yeah. But still, 12 or 10 points out of 24 is much better than 0 or 1 out of 12. Poland 2014 would’ve been in top 10 with the new system. Poland 2016 would’ve been in like 18th-20th place with the old system.
As you said Serg, it's Pretty clear that was a political vote against Russia-Ukraine frictions. They penalized both songs, which were really popular. There was a lot of tension between the two delegations too before the contest, because of 1944's lyrics. That surely affected that decision imo
@@escserg6731 Where did you take this informations? I searched and i didn't appear to me.
You could've just put the whole Poland's 2016 perfomance, and nobody would notice anything, haha
“Color of your life” is one the most beautiful songs I ever heard. There is a special place in my iPod for it. ❤
Thanks 😊
I remember JK Rowling tweeting about her husband voting for Poland 2016.
An honourable mention is "Spirit in the Sky" by KEiiNO (Norway) in 2019. They should have won (don't get me wrong - I LOVE LOVE LOVE "Arcade", but I was furious that the Jury "robbed" KEiiNO that way!)
BUT.... the juries putting North Macedonia in the top 10 for the first time, because they realised the musical merit of "Proud", which was a stunning song, beautifully performed and largely ignored by the public because it wasn't shiny enough. Don't get me wrong, I loved Keiino, it was my 3rd favourite, but the juries generally vote for musically impeccable songs, hence Arcade winning rather than a novelty song.
@@Beckford4000 "Proud" was also one of my favourites 😊 It's still on my playlist
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@@Beckford4000 then why Poland 2016 was ignored by juries ? He sings well doesn’t he ?
@@robertut8311 In some parts he didn't I think. But the main reason he didn't get points from the juries think was that the song was not very modern. But the people sometimes like old fashion songs as long as they are what in German we call an 'Ohrwurm'. 🙂
If Poland is ignored this year, it will be the most unfair decision that has ever happened at Eurovision. Krystian deserves a victory😭😭
Something tells me he won't be ignored)
@@escserg6731 och oby on jest taki dobry i ten utwor jest piekny
now you've got the answer xd
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no point taking part in this political contest
In my opinion, they should stop ask a jury for vote, only televote should count.
this already happened, and when trash began to win, everything was returned
it wouldn't be so interesting without a jury
This semi finals were only by televote... Poland got qualifited (12 points by Lithuania and Ukraine) and got 81 televote points in the final (12 points by Ukraine) while fan-favorites like Austria and Spain got 16-5 televotes
@@usagi-t-suki The main reason the finale looked the way it did was because everyone who's invested in Eurovision knew that there were only two countries who were fighting about the win. Most people have limited money and votes are limited regardless, so it makes complete sense that if you feel passionately about either Sweden or Finland this year, you're going to vote for one of them, because anything else is throwing money in the bin.
As for Poland, a lot of people I've spoken to just liked the song. Nothing to do about that, people like what they like.
@@salfetka361 We've known for like 3 months that Sweden was going to win, it's literally not interesting at all to watch now.
@@alice45-fgd-456drt no, the audience liked «cha cha» more, so the confrontation between the two countries was interesting. besides, usually if someone is in the lead at the beginning, by the end it turns out not to be in 1st place. so there was hope for the victory of Finland
I hope Poland doesn’t get the same fate again this year.
Surely not)
Well..
@@DonaldFranciszekTusk Yeah, it definitely continues to happen... At least, Poland broke the "record" of not being in juries' top 10 in the semi finals (they got 7th place now). But seeing how juries vote for every single slow song in the final and Poland still becomes the lowest one among them... was hilarious. The problem is still there, I must admit
Ummmmm
Lmao Welcome "Finland & Norway 2023" to the list
Jury gave Finland fourth. It’s not even close to fit into this list
@@Fillster it's a big difference in literal point numbers though, since they rated Sweden so far above everyone else.
The juries were brought in to trying to stop bloc voting and create a more "valid" result, but highkey all theyve done is make the bloc voting WORSE (YES i am looking at you Greece and Cyprus!) and are frequently made up of more austere, classical or older industry people who don't like or appreciate alternative music or quirkiness and consistantly vote for highly competant but bland acts over anything exciting or different. At best they are out of touch, at worst they just do whatever a nationalist broadcaster wants them to do.
They have a role, but their voting power should not be 50%. 30% maybe, the majority influence should be given back to the public.
Completely agree
Greece and Cyprus is not the bloc voting everyone thinks and says it is. Musically we are literally one country, Cypriots listen to the Greek entry and Greeks to the Cypriot entry every single day everywhere. We have the same singers, producers, dancers, etc. We DO love each other’s entries because we do have the same musical taste. All of Greece’s top singers come from Cyprus and all of Cyprus’ top singers come from Greece. It is our honest vote, as jury and public, and nothing strategic or about politics.
@@alexandrosapostolidis5391 this. And magically it's not bloc voting when all the Scandinavian countries give each other high scores each year.
This comment aged like wine
this is exactly what i've been thinking, 30% would make it much more fair in my opinion. some of the absolute best entries got fucked over by the jury! the jury always has a preference for bland ballads and mediocre pop songs. my country, sweden, has been doing a little too good lately because of the jury. the televote should ultimately decide the winner ¯\_(ツ)_/¯
Poland 2016 robbed
Poland, Czechia, Lithuania, Iceland, your day will come, you will win one day, I just know it!
seeing "My Słowianie" in all these categories makes me wonder how high would it be if it was sung in a later Eurovision contest where jury votes and viewers votes were separated from each other :D
The result would be the same, anyway. Poland received 162 points from viewers (5th place). Without points from viewers, Poland would took 23rd place (jury's votes).
Color of your life should have won. That was the last year I watched eurovision because it was so obvious that the judges were biased. The guy really deserved to win. I was so pissed, and the way the announcers made a comment about his jacket and not his vocals or lyrics after the performance, I still remember that 6 yrs later. God, thinking of this bullshit makes me mad 🤣
*Oh-oh-oh-oh*
*Tell me black and white*
*What colour is your life?*
One thing I've noticed is that Malta does better with the juries usually. And lol at Poland winning the televote in many countries in 2014. It was a fun performance though, didn't remember it being so popular. Btw queen Natalia!!
Yeah. Malta has 100% percentage of being in juries' top 10 in semi finals (since juries were introduced for semi finals in 2010), Poland has 0%... but it's quite logic because Malta does everything to be overrated by juries, they always choose a jury friendly song either by an internal selection or by national selection with like 80% jury power. Poland, in contrast, have sent so many not jury-friendly songs (2014, 2015, 2018, 2021). But in 2010, 2017, 2019 they were really close to juries' top 10 in semi finals (11th)
@@escserg6731 "but it's quite logic because Malta does everything to be overrated by juries"
SO TRUE!! I like some of the songs they send (specially last year), but sometimes the juries don't even hide which countries they like the most. :P
@@JordiVanderwaal Yeah. The countries with the biggest factories of pop songs and/or the countries that have consistently sent some polished-quality-etc pop songs/ballads. That's just how juries work. They're not "music professionals", they're "media professionals". Moreover, in recent years there're more and more people that are really close to Eurovision fandom in the juries, so... it seems like juries more and more represent the fandom's opinion lol. Especially I mentioned it last (most recent) year
@@escserg6731 i sure hope not. Some of us remember how bad it was before the juries came in. If the juries becomes just as stupid at voting as televoters are, then the quality of the contest will drop significantly. all flash songs.
@@renemortensen5028 for me it was good before juries. And sorry, where did it write that juries became as televoters? I said that their opinion became really close to an opinion of Eurovision fandom (which isn’t the same as televoters opinion at all). Also, I said that enough jurors vote even more politically that some televoters
Ah classic ESC jury, always no fun allowed. Seriously so many fun and catchy songs got robbed by the jury, or didn't even get into the finals in the first place, and instead jury keeps picking the most basic ass boring copy-paste snoozefest ballads and songs that keep singing about love and peace and whatever. Don't get me wrong, they have beautiful messages and all but they're just boring and not memorable at all. Esc should be fun and crazy and party time. But I guess the jury is made up of old people who all need their snoozefest ballads so they can fall asleep on time huh
I agree that the jury can be biased against upbeat songs, but the concept of a jury makes sense. If we didn't have them, we'd have the opposite problem where only fast zany songs can win. Why should ESC be fun party time? A lot of the slow ballads that enter are good and should be appreciated. I agree that the jury picks shitty ballads over good dance music, but if we didn't have that balance, ESC would quickly become a clown contest, where only the goofiest/quirkiest songs have a chance. And that's no good either. Why bother training to master your vocals and write a beautiful melody if you're just gonna get outvoted for someone who clucks like a chicken? (No shade to Netta, she has a great voice ofc)
@@pinklemonade8320 Why *shouldn't* ESC be fun party time? I'd love a contest with fun/quirky and unique songs over mostly just boring ballads or copy-paste songs I can listen to in the radio at any given time that all sound the same anyway and are hardly memorable. And just because a song is quirky doesn't mean the artist is bad, sings bad or didn't train hard enough or whatever. They're going through just as much training as someone who sings a ballad. And a contest without ballads doesn't mean it'll become a clown contest, that's just insulting. Neither does it mean that only fun/quirky songs can win. Maneskin being a good example, although they're an entirely different genre. Conchita won in both the jury and televotes, and so did Salvador Sobral.
i just hate the juries. They always take the boring pop songs and are very skeptical about experimental music
We can add this year's Finland to the list...
The songs on this have over 20 place differences. The jury gave Finland fourth. It’s not even close at all to fit into this list
@@Fillsternot about the places, the point difference...
@@fomocapital7678 This video specifically looked at place differences
My Slowianie still slams, a winner in my heart!
Серхат должен быть победителем всех конкурсов
Michal I'm still loving his song😭😍😍😭 he deserved better from the stupid jury
Color of your life, on of the best songs! Loveee
Poland 2014 and 2016 would be a potential winner without juries....
NO TASTE.
And OMG say na na na 2nd at the Georgian Televote YES!!!
And sugar could be a Joke you never know maybe they really liked it and it’s my favorite and Everyone says it’s iconic so probably people loved it and voted don’t think its Kirkorov for sure...
Televoting points for Moldova were rigged by Kirkorov, in both semi final and final. We don't have direct evidence but we have enough indirect ones
"Poland 2014 and 2016 would be a potential winner without juries..." I strongly disagree. Especially with 2014 song. You have to know televotes for Poland from The Netherlands, Ireland and UK are heavily influenced by enormous polish communities living in those countries. In a fact we still are in Poland embarassed of what Cleo in 2014 did.
@@sensilvar7709 You can't get a top 5 televote result only based on diaspora. It means people really liked the song. And if it was a diaspora, they would've voted in other years too... and they didn't! 2015, 2017, 2018, 2019, 2021 got much less televote points, much less!
@@sensilvar7709 ale ta piosenka była i jest ladna wiec o co kaman
@@escserg6731 what evidence
Albanians and Georgians when hear "say na na na": "WE HAVE FINALLY WAITED FOR THE GOLD OF EUROVIA "
the jury *hates* Poland apparently. how sad, the songs are a bop
Yeah, but they're not jury-friendly sometimes(
I still don’t understand why there is a jury vote.
And now we have kaarija
Netherlands jury do not like Poland in 2014 and 2016? Why?
But people like our songs that is most important.
Cleo and slavic girls is the best
Jury: whatever sweden sends we vote for.
Coraz częściej mam wrażenie, że jury słuchają innej eurowizjii niż telewidzowie.
Natalia Gordienko just OOZES so much charisma, she was so sweet and genuinely excited to be a part of eurovision. she was fantastoc!!! love her !!!
пхахахахахаахахаха. блин, на самом деле, меня удивило, что ее выступление понравилось и немалому количеству людей.
Ну, она мемом стала, так что какому-то количеству людей понравилось. Но хорошая часть этих баллов на Евро все же была накручена Киркоровым
@@escserg6731 Киркоров, конечно, да... вот в России про его ручонки в евровидении в курсе +-, а вот в других странах люди, которые следят за евро, тоже про него в курсе?)
@@user-qj9ko5nd5g Ну, пожалуй только самые прошаренные фаны. Просто так о нем особо никто не говорит
eastern europe: having fun at eurovision
western european jury: i hate that
romania 2015 and poland 2016 are some of my favorite songs so far, the jury very much underestimated them and I am very sorry
although if you watch the live performance of the Romanians in my opinion it's not that good (the vocals were a little let down), but the song is very cool, especially in their native language
When the jury do something weird there's complaints....when the public do something weird there's complaints. There's never going to be a format that appeals to everyone
Time to try it without a jury again, or make a different jury system. Each country select some random people from the street of varying ages, preferably who don’t watch Eurovision, don’t tell them from which country the songs are but ask them to score points on them. No musical ‘experts’, no corruption and paying others off, just a random public jury, like a market research interview, I think that could be really interesting and perhaps more fair? Or perhaps it’s just a dumb suggestion? 😂
Not dumb at all! That’s how Judicial Juries are picked as well.
"Each country select some random people from the street of varying ages, preferably who don’t watch Eurovision, "
That is *utter nonsense* If you honestly believe this should be attempted you're an I-D-I-O-T.
"like a market research interview, I think that could be really interesting and perhaps more fair? " Please tell me you're joking. MARKET RESEARCH?? It's not washing powder they're selling here.
"Or perhaps it’s just a dumb suggestion? 😂" At least you've got a semblance of self-insight. That saves you.
Here's your whole problem.
Your utter inability to understand that you don't compare McDonald's with a White Guide restaurant which has had gastronomers give it their seal of approval. Hundreds of millions eat the bad fast-food at McDonald's. It's their right. That doesn't make any less of a stupid horde of fools damaging their bodies with unhealthy food.
This world and all great inventions weren't built by people who decided the greatest things in life is to follow the herd and follow and believe whatever most people believe.
Certainly not you. That much I can guarantee.
I disagree. I see where you're coming from but I like that the jury have musical experts. It brings balance to the fact that average tele voters don't understand or recognise just how impressive some of these contestants are and they deserve to have recognition for their skill and performance. Most of the time tele voters vote for outside reasons, maybe politics, maybe the artists stance on LGBTQ+ matters, a good example would be Maneskin- I know a lot of people who like them base off of their sexuality and expression and the fact they already had a following. Which is totally fine and I love Maneskin but it is still a singing competition so acts that have just as good or even better abilities in general but maybe are less outspoken on politics or are from a less liked country should still be able to get the recognition they deserve and it will almost always come from the jury. Plus they brought the Jury votes in because people were clearly just voting for their neighbours. But I agree the voting needs tweaking.
I do like blind process idea, but i think they should still keep expert opinions
Surely they'll catch on and know it's eurovision at some point
damn, looking back to this post the 2023 finals, this hits different. many songs to add from this year i feel like, especially alessandra, poor girl got robbed by the jury
the jury really dont like poland...
To be fair, Poland never really sent jury-friendly songs... except for 2016 when something really strange happened with those results
@@escserg6731 No, 2016 also wasn't jury-friendly, it was too simple, not original and not modern.
@@1amino2fenyloetan But usually if such songs are with good vocals and decent performances, juries don't hate it that much
@@escserg6731 Portugal at JESC 2021 had similar song and performance and they also came 3rd in televoting but 18th in jury voting.
@@1amino2fenyloetan Firstly, let's forget about JESC for a second) it's just other world. This 3rd televote place came from fans of Poland and Armenia which voted strategically, for their own favourite and for 2 other weak songs that wasn't supposed to be any high pre-show (Portugal was one of them, that's where this low jury score came from). Secondly, Poland 2016 and Portugal 2021 at JESC are completely different. Portugal 2021 is in Portuguese, a specific Portuguese genre fado, very slow, not really vocally. So, I'm not sure that it's an argument. Moreover, Portugal 2021 was really low among fandom while Poland 2016 definitely wasn't that low.
We are slavic is iconic
Miracle is amazing
Running on air and Mall are underrated !!!!!!!!! Specially Mall, it's one of my favourite songs of all the time.
I honestly thought When we are old was popular (but not really my favourite)
Fuego was robbed !!
Why we brought back juries when they downvote Poland 2016 so bad???
The main thing here is that juries will never be fully objective (I would even say that they are biased - some more, some less, but all juries in a way are biased), while televoters vote for whoever they want (televoters aren't biased as long as they vote for the song/performance that they like the best and not the country or the artist (aka not caring about the song)...
Yeah, right)
clearly there will always be a portion of, for example diaspora, televote that's more for a certain country rather than a song but in the middle of the total televote it's definitely never going to carry enough weight to dramatically shift the general ranking of the country they vote from
Actually I think the televoters are also biased.
@@askafroan525 if they vote for certain countries or artists (and don't really care about the song), then yes, but if they vote for the song/performance they like the best, then I can't see anything biased in that...
@@shovkovskyi Yeah, of course your right that people do vote for the song/artist. But I also know that people can be biased or biased against some countries too and refuse to give certain countries a chance.
I found it really funny how all the juries loved Sweden 2018 song but then it hardly got any televotes
Yeah, 2018 was a really strong year for televoting. Sweden just didn't have enough place in the top 10 by televoters in so many countries. He was like 11th-15th in mny countries. And it was 21 points and 23rd place in the end))) How juries overrate Sweden every year we know (except 2021 but it's an exception and we know why)
@@escserg6731 We know why? I don't know, please tell.
I don't get why Sweden gets such good placements with juries, either, like genuinely, I don't really think Sweden's sent a good entry in the last ~8 yrs - Heroes was good-ish, but I still think it cut way too close to that one Guetta song, which pops its worth for me. This year... I and bookies don't see, to say the least, the song is generic and Cornelia is not a good singer. She sounds off key, inconsistent between performances so I doubt it is a stylistic choice (unlike say, Go_A's singer, who was punished by juries for her unusual technique, but who is _incredibly_ consistent), and her voice cracks and breaks and she runs into high notes she can't reach - she has a naturally deeper voice, and has to vocal fry it to reach that "it kills me" part, which just kills my ears every time.
@@PanfuSerenity I also don’t agree with Sweden’s overrating every single year, don’t worry)
@@PanfuSerenity Cornelia is going to slay in Turin, stay mad
@@escserg6731 I think they should change the point system, I don't think it's fair that the one what is 11th gets 0 points, and it seems like _no one_ voted for that country. It's a huge difference being the ones that gets the 11th-15th most votes and the ones that gets the least votes, but still all get 0. Perhaps you could make a video of the songs what were 11th-15th place in the televote and juries but got 0, is those stats available?
Omg Natalie actually became a televote winner for a country ? ☠️
Like she's my winner but never would I imagine her getting such a high placement, I expected some points from different countries
I know it's just my (and some other fans') thoughts but... seems like Kirkorov (a super rich arrogant Russian singer that produced Moldova last year and was in their team) bought the televotes in some random Central/Western European countries (where he didn't promote the song). Czech Republic was definitely one of them. There's just no other explanation why there were so big differences in televoting in the same countries between semi finals and the final. Just compare places of Moldova in Estonia and especially Albania, just for example. And the coutnries that gave them points in the final: Czech Republic, Portugal, France?! Very random
@@escserg6731 Kirkorov should be banned from ever being involved in Eurovision again. Although Sugar was fun in its studio/video version Natalia really didn't impress live and it's very unlikely that so many people would have been voting for it. It deserved to have stayed in the semi.
@@fartreta Yeah, right) Let's hope that he will never be at Eurovision after the current events. He cheated even harder in the semi final to let it qualify for sure. It was like 8 countries giving them 12 points in the televoting out of nowhere. While in the final it was a bit more careful. That's where all these huge differences between the semi final and the final televote places came from
She was the Tele winner in two countries I think: Romania and the Czech Republic.
@@escserg6731 I had to check the televote rankings for Sugar. It went from being last in the Albanian televote in the semi, to get 7 points in the final. And Serbia gave Sugar 12 points in semi, but in the final it was ranked 22nd in the country's televote 😂
I'm noticing a trend here, at least for the most part. It seems that usually the juries prefer more somber, beautiful oral performances. The televotes prefer more memorable, fun numbers. Obviously isn't the case every year but its something I've noticed.
These are very stupid criteria. Choosing the most beautiful song counts! The jury has to be disbanded! The jury is detrimental to this competition. This is a competition for everyone. Only the televote should be left.
Albania 2015 was underrated, even tho her vocals were not THAT good. And dang Malta 2014 was really underrated by televote
Yeah, Albania 2015 and Malta 2014 got a bunch of bottom 5 jury/televote places respectively...
She had a cold,you can hear it in her voice.The song is super beautiful ,she would have won that year if it weren't for her cold...
Albania was really underrated by the jury in 2015...
That was such a crime...
Most of the clip featured here was off-key so I can imagine why the jury wasn't a fan :[]
The intro killed me lol
In 2023, San Marino jury ranked Finland at 26th while televote was 1st :)
Watching this got me thinking about the controversy with the jury and televote disagreements (like what happened with this years winner). As I see it the jury's are usually good at giving points to songs with quality (song technique, overall show etc) but suffer from political bias. The televote is good at giving points to songs with feeling, personality and uniqueness but suffer from being superficial and susceptible to peer pressure (looks, popularity). Therefore I heartily agree that the decision to use both was a smart move, even though many disagree with this years winner. My personal favourite is Finland, like many others, but the quality of Swedens entry is objectively better. Overall, Sweden deserved the win, and Finland deserved the attention for a solid second place.
Based
this just goes to show that a handful a people shouldn't have the same power as a whole nation
I loved that one by Lithuania in 2018 she was adorable her unusual vocal, I loved Miracle too very memorable. Armenia there was funky too..I remember that Cyprus entry too. My fave Armenia Aram MP3 and that Polish rap is like a bit like Ukraines
My Słowianie is the best!
That intro had me dying of laughter lmao
I think this might be an unpopular opinion but I just didn’t get the appeal of Sugar at all tbh. It was just annoying and generic and deserved to stay in the semis
Yes. But cheating with televotes from Kirkorov behind Moldova was too strong (that's where this 1st place from Czech Republic and others came from).
This year the biggest disagreement was Moldova
What we all learned. Delete Juries pls
Jury votes really trash, this year they robbed karijaaa cha cha cha 😢 we need do something with this drunk jury 😒😒😒
Bla bla blah. Get over the fact that your favorite country did not win or continue to cry little baby.
@@Kindacuties for you everyone is a little baby ☠️☠️☠️ starting to think, since you use that word so much yk, if ur one urself
2023 and it happened again
Bla bla blah. Get over the fact that your favorite country did not win or continue to cry little baby. 🎉
I mean, I need to look through the detailed results to know it)
@@Kindacuties bro comments this on every single comment that is offending the jury ☠️
Not gonna read all comments posted so far, but please keep one thing in mind: juries and televoters vote on TWO DIFFERENT SHOWS. An artist can nail their performance in one show and really screw it up in the other one (see Michał Szpak).
But in the most of the cases (like 95%) there're no any differences between jury and televote performances. Juries disliked Szpak coherently, it wasn't like only because his final performance was bad. They ranked him really low in the semi final too
I’m curious, what exactly did Szpak screw up during the jury performance? Maybe I’m wrong, but I’ve never heard this man sing out of tune.
@@XXX-ri1fd His very last note in the jury final was not clear enough. But again, juries disliked him from the very begin, this note didn't change anything
yes that dreadful out of key Austrian in black
omg Sugar her scream!!! oucn!
Where did you find the full rankings for each country??
Nice video btw
For the recent year (2021) you can find it on the official Eurovision site. For other year the best source, in my opinion, is Wikipedia. Search articles with titles like in the Eurovision Song Contest
Wait for 2022 for Poland....
That will be jury killer too.
and it was!! :((
Juries have to stop the slander of Poland, like please!
Nice content bro ☺️
I love your intro❤️
The BEST Eurovision was 2006 - Lordi - without any jury. IMHO
Jury should be off voting. Or at least their value should be much more less - not 50/50, but 20/80.
This show is for eurofans and telewatchers. Not for jury.
Agree)
40/60
The songs that were #1 and #2 on televote were so boring compared to Käärijä
I can't but think that this year's Eurovision was the most memorable we have ever had
I think you mean #1 in the jury vote?
@@DerLiesl I was comparing the winners on televote from previous years with Kaarija
They always vote for Sweden,it annoys me so much.
I mean,Sweden usually doesn't have bad entries (usually mid entries) but they're clearly not the best
Thanks for yr vid❤
so we can generally agree Poland gets robbed by jury, twice....
I'm a little confused.
First country and jury is what the jury voted the 2nd country in their order and televote is the public's final votings?
Sorry, the format feels a little confusing to me.
No, it's like this:
the country before the arrow - the country who voted
the country after the arrow - the song they voted for
So using the Jamala example already mentioned:
The jury from Czech Republic gave Jamala 24th place
The televote from Czech Republic gave Jamala 1st place
It took me a while to figure it out too ;) I hope this helps!
@@Unfiltered494 okkkk thanks! I deleted my comment, it doesn't make sense now.
Imo the juries are too biased by all the info they are stuffed with in the days/weeks before the actual ESC. They get to know the performers and listen to the songs being performed live at various events. That makes them see the whole competition very different from the average viewer.
They also cast their votes based off of the last rehearsals (at least in germany) so a really good (or bad) performance on the day it counts doesn't influence their votings anymore.
Also our jury never represents the usual ESC addict, they always chose some music journalists, singers and especially some that think of themselves they are very 'deep' (but are just entitled). And that attitude is reflected in the votes. It's not supposed to be fun, it always has to have deeper meaning and like... be sophisticated maybe. It's ridiculous.
The jury voting were supposed to even out some strong connections between neighbours initially, but if you look at how they actually vote... they mostly prefer their close neighbours / allies just as much as anyone else would. I think we should just get rid of that. Have the audience vote on the day of the semi- / finale and that's it.
If you take a look back at the winners from the last years, some friendly neighbour votes may bring you into top 10, top 5 even, but the WINNER is usually a song that hits a nerv / the right tone and is done well. Really no need to have some biased 'music experts' scuffing the competition.
There is a special performance between the 2nd rehearsal and the final performance when the juries vote for the first time. For example for tomorrow's grand final there was a "jury performance" this morning by the end of which all juries must submit their votes. The juries are allowed to change their votes until the end of the final performance though, but I have no idea how many actually do.
Who thinks jury voting should be removed, especially after Loreen won 2023 esc
add Moldova 2022
damn, the jury really hates us for some reason :(
Alternate title: The czech juries are high during the voting
Czech juries like being strategical) remember Melodifestivalen this year)
May I ask what the arrows and countries before the arrow mean?
One Country -> Other Country. One Country gave the places that I show to Other Country
Those are some impressive differences. :o
I don't understand what the line with the arrow between countries name means
I love how my slowanie is on here thrice. The power those ladies had
Can you explain what the arrows mean please? Like Moldova -> Azerbaijan 2016
The jury and televote places that I show were given by Moldova to Azerbaijan in 2016 (from your example)
The jury always pick snoozefest ballads or generic pop songs
We have to accept, that there are rules that will tell the winner of the contest. But especially after Loreen/Käärijä -final, people want change more than ever. Jury doesn't know anything, what voters would like to hear. They think more professionally, but I guess that regular listeners are them, for whom the music should be primarly offered. Voters loved Käärijä, but Loreen made technically so perfect song, and that gave her so huge gap to next one in jury votes. But voters almost made Käärijä winner anyways. My opinion is, that jury shouldn't have as much power to vote as millions of televoters. Or otherwise, Eurovision song contest stays as professional competition, where only professional musicians compose technically high quality song for professional judges. But it means, that contestants don't make their own thing anymore, they try to make perfect song only for jury. Listeners most likely don't want to hear that kind of music.
This is what gets me too. With the difference between the two voting groups being so big, every country essentially has to choose if they want to make a jury favourite or a public favourite, which isn't the intention of the competition, or at least shouldn't be. When the jury is mainly represented by pop musicians or their representatives, it becomes very unfair for any other genre.
Plus, in my opinion, there were better entries even if pop ballads with strong vocals are the only criteria they vote after.