Bauer LS CarbonLite skate blades FULL review
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- Bauer LS CarbonLite skate blades FULL review
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As someone who works in a hockey proshop sharpening skates, I 100% agree. Although at our shop we have figured out the technique to get them level the first time, the steel sucks, the lightness does not outweigh the benefits of the Pulse TI, or Bladetech blades, or Blacksteel if you still have a set for TUUKs. Also since half the blade isn't even metal, you lose out on longevity, especially if you get an aggressive profile like ellipse, zuperior or quad. Spend that $100 on literally anything else.
they knew what they were doing. its not even Bauer's first time putting two different materials together in a blade. about 10 years ago they came out with the fusion and people split them right across the midline where the two metals joined. while you can obviously create steels with varying compositions that will remain adequately durable/sharpen adequately/retain an edge adequately, probably every metallurgist in the world will tell you how bad of an idea it is to try to join a big chunk of some of some other material or metal to a big chunk of your blade steel.
I really just think it was a gimmick to try to get their advertised weight down vs the ft4. the funny part is that the new vapors are only like 4 grams lighter when you just weigh the boots and holders sans steel.
The main issue we found is that the transition to the carbon fiber section is raised and interferes ever so slightly with virtually every skate holding jig we've tried. We've only been able to get good results by sharpening the steel by itself removed from the skate, which allows more clearance for us to clamp it very close to the edge to completely avoid the carbon fiber from making contact with the jig's clamp. It's not an optimal solution though, as the steel gets sharpened down over time that clearance will eventually go away. I feel like they should have caught this in testing.
Cool, skate sharpening go brrrrrrrrrrrrr
Been working at my shop for about a year and have 2 customers with these. I second everything you said these blades are horrible
Chris, it's very refreshing to see a dead honest review on CZcams. Most are sponsored or if not sponsored, afraid of pissing off a major company. I applaud you.
Thanks for the review, appreciated. It sounds like the carbon fibre part is flexing on the ice and in the Sparx machine.
My 16 year old got these for Christmas. My son said the same thing that they would shutter when he stopped. After two weeks we brought them to get sharpened and they were twisted and unusable. Luckily the store gave us our money back.
Using Flare Skate Blades. I love them, they seem more stable and increase my edge confidence.
Sharpened LS Carbon for a buddy on my Sparx machine and I had a hard time getting them level as well.
Definitely felt the edge confidence with those but shops in my area couldn’t get the edge balanced because they didn’t have the tool. They also started to rust weren’t meets the runner so I sent them back before the trial period ended.
The sparx clamp relies on both flat sides of the blade being flat. Spoiler alert, they seldom are. You will need adjustment for most steel mass manufactured today.
I use to have LS stainless on my vapor x600 but because I’m 1m86 high, I peplace them with the LS3 which are taller than the LS stainless. So now i can lean more when I make tight turns. (I’m French by the way, I hope you guys understand me😅)
I don’t think Bauer deserves any praise on these. I broke them in only 2 months and crashed into the boards as my runner came right out snapping at the flange. They clearly did not test the strength of the small flanges that mount into the skate. I’m surprised if you are skating on these and haven’t broken them. Bauer and many other companies need more accountability for products like this.
Bauer has already made a multi-material runner over a decade ago called the LS Fusion (aluminum/steel). I burned through the pair that came on my APX skates over the course of about 8 years, and I never understood why they stopped making them.
They were almost as light as the carbons without the inconsistencies. If they made them again with the knowledge they gained from last time, I'd buy in a heartbeat.
using step black steel and are awesome and hold its edge well. save money on sharpening. only down side is the steel is too tall and takes some time to get use too
I love the pulse TI. They hold edge life unlike any steel I’ve used in past
So true, I've only sharpened them once since I got these skates last summer. I also sharpen them 7/8. These blades are incredible.
I don’t feel a difference
@@DumbOrangeFrogthe difference is how they hold their edge after sharpening... the Ti holds the edge longer... but if you compared them side by side when both sharp there really is no difference... staying sharp is a big advantage in my experience at least
Yup - I’ve had the same problem sharpening these. So difficult to get the edges even. I’m giving up the light weight and going back to my old reliable runners!
Using the LS pulse TI, because they came with my ultrasonics, which 100% love, both the runners and boot! (Get them profiled properly though, factory is not balanced)
Also if you see this, man I appreciate your videos so much, you brought my love for hockey back after years of being away from the game! Cheers 🤙
I personally do NOT recommend these from a pro shop technician perspective. They suck to sharpen and have half the amount of blade for double the price. Once you profile your blade or sharpen quite often, you run out of steel quick! Also, sharpening by hand isn’t horrible but on the sparx it tends to sharpen unlevel. I think for high performance blades, Pulse Ti or STEP Blacksteel are my go to recommendations
Using STEP Black Steel … which I switched to after watching your video from a few years ago when you broke down the different runners available (at that time). Love them!
I'm thankful I didn't just order these a month ago and went with the solid mirror finish LS Pulse. I couldn't help but think of the nightmare of the steel separating from the carbon fiber. Maybe when carbon fiber broken and stuck in Tuuk holder 😆 lol? I can't see baking skates with these runners being a good idea either. Also I can imagine a new sharpener (personnel) overheating a blade and ruining the bond between the steel and the carbon fiber. Part of me wanted to trust the latest technology but my own engineering intuition would not let me buy these. Well I do ❤ my Bauer S37 Supremes and am learning to skate in them. Today I will be swapping out Gold Massive Blades (is Massive still in business?) For LS Pulse as I have worn down the Massive Blades to the logo. The LS Pulse look very nice 👌 the mirror finish makes me happy 😊. I really liked the gold Massive Blades and wanted to buy a set in Blue but what happened to Massive Blades for Tuuk Edge holders anyway?
Funnily enough I worked on a pair of these in my rinks pro shop today and they are an absolute pain in the rear end to sharpen. In my opinion, the weight reduction does not outweigh the draw backs of these runners. They did not do well in the Sparx machine nor did they do well on the grind wheel.
Switched to Flareblade last year, will never go back to conventional steel again. Better glide, less leg fatigue, easier turning, holds edges longer than conventional blades.
Using blatech, pretty satisfied. It’s an upgrade for sure from regular
Bladetech is THE best
Have them - the positive is your right they are lighter than regular blades and you feel it which is huge advantage : however it stops there : when you stop it vibrates is my biggest issue - i know lot people tried and had same issues . I'm shocked Bauer didn't do a better job testing these with the price makes more obnoxious. No nhl players use them I believe which you know why - it looks Bauer took to market way too early
I just ordered these, wish I saw this before I paid $200! I’ll this comment with my own review after I try them out.
Old school LS2's. Could we get a review of Marsblades if you can get some?
CCM Rocket Runner were the first one blades made from two different materials 2010
I’m running LS5. I used them because they hold a sharpen a little longer that other models
I had the same problem I bought the mirror finish blades and have the same problem sharpening them they have dull spots after multiple sharpenings
I am going through the leveling thing right now. I have the Sparx and its perfectly aligned with alignment tool. Other skates sharpen at level. But the with carbon lite, I have to turn the boot around to correct the prior pass. When you say you have to sharpen a ton , what is your strategy to get them level ? Definitely won't buy again, they are on sale big time so I got lured on the clearance. But still want to use them a bit since I bought them.
Great review…..once again. I went with Bladetech on my Bauer 2X Pro after watching your review, LOVE them!
hey there do you have any cclue when the new supreme Mach skates or M5 skates are coming out?
Problem late summer is commen but idk man
I might have some insight on how to sharpen them. At our shop you gotta take the skate out of the holder and sharpen it. Not sure if the guy you took it to did that or not. Every time I sharpen it it comes out perfectly
I run RamonEdge, because I like them for their weight in cobonation with the hardness
UPDATE: Sparx now makes the 4 bumpers to lift the carbon lite steel up and grip the steel with the clamp. I just got them and love them I used to have LS 5 carbon and I hated those but these are actually pretty good.
4 bumpers changed everything for me too I couldn't even sharpen them for me
Haven't seen any comments about these "multi-material" blades standing up to hard puck impacts. Any thoughts/results?
I sharpen skates and have heard the same thing about them. I have not sharpened these type of blades just glad I did not waste money on them.
This is an example of Bauer trying to fix something that's not broke!
Oh man, here comes a re-run of the fusion blades.
I’m using pulse TI right now because they keep the blades sharp longer, when I used the carbon ones I found the steel separated from the carbon.
Pulse TI is absolute garbage. Go aftermarket . Most people do bladetech
The blades come with a Bauer Sling Shot and tinted half shield.
The sharpening thing could be mostly from the way they’re being sharpened, when I sharpen them they come out perfectly level every time, a lot of the stuff you mention in the video about the turns bites and that sort could be sorted out from proper sharpening.
So cool, tough decision though between these Pulse ti's and the Bladetech's. Which would you choose?
My son hated these, currently using his black step , like you said couldn’t get them sharpened right
Oof this one hits close to home cuz my steel broke last night but I can’t really afford new steel so I may be out for a while lol
Better Technology is out there. T-Blade Replacement Runners are 95% Composite with a Sliver of Steel. No Sharpening Required. Just Replace when Worn. $20 a Set. Consistent Profile from the Factory. Just need to incorporate this design to a Conventional Holder...
Hi Chris. Do you compare CCM Jetspeed FT4 PRO vs Bauer Vapor Hyperlite skates?
Interesting idea but as you point out let’s see how it plays out before jumping on this trend.
For me (I own: Pulse Ti, Black step steel, and the LS Carbons). I personally feel as if the Carbons are the ticket in terms of performance. The weight alone out weighs the longevity aspect. Just my .02
agree
Do a review on the pulse ti blades
Best blade is the LS4 with a good honing.
Great review. Use what the pro's use. CarbonLite blades are not the Blade that is out there being used on the Ice.
Any issues sharpening the LS Pulse Ti with a sparx?
Maybe next year a "Carbon Lite Ti". 🤪😎 After all, the Carbon Lite is a steel that doesn't have a black polished, hardened edge.
Step Steel. I’ve had the luxury of dealing with a pro sharpening shop... they do nothing else but the steel... I’ve skated on several demo blades. Step Steel is the only aftermarket blade that I have loved.
Bauer sued step. You can no longer buy step steel for Bauer skates. CCM ended up acquiring them due to this.
@@wwjohnnymaydo how does this have any thing to do with what he said lol?
@@malachigrogan7384 um the entire video is about steel for Bauer skates. Makes my comment pretty friggin relevant.
@@wwjohnnymaydo lol read his comment and tell me if what you said has anything to do with him likeing step stell?
@@malachigrogan7384 so by your standards, his comment has nothing to do with the video he commented on.
Can u do a video on ccm blades
I have never been a fan of these. Find the effects of the weight so minimal that it’s just you getting less steel to work with at this point
Where was that superpower info?
Which would you choose between these 3
Pulse, pulse ti or bladetech
Ps note, the ti costs 50% more and is it worth paying the difference.
TIA
Pulse TI are way softer than bladetech.
@@wwjohnnymaydo I'm not very into technical stuff so would softer be a good or bad thing?
@@ngadam3126 bad. The harder the steel, the better edge retention you get. It IS possible to go too far. I think step found the perfect ratio, but companies like massive blade went too far and the extreme hardness makes the steel brittle and they break easily. Bladetech is about 90% as good as step in this regard and is what I recommend for steel. The pulse TI rusts easily and is about half as good in terms of edge retention as bladetech.
@@wwjohnnymaydo Excellent reply and response. Learned alot from your explanation.
Would like to ask u for help on your opinion on which of the 3 bladetech to order because I broke my old ls3 and need to replace it asap.
Note that the only sharpening which is available here is Sparx machine
Normal-polished
Black armour
DLC
Which would you recommend and is it worth it to pay more for the other versions.
Thank you in advance!
@@ngadam3126 I'd go mirrored. The sparx leaves a Huge burr that needs to be removed. It's difficult for sparx users to remove the burr on the coated blades without hurting the coatings.
Regular StepSteel with 6-8-12 triple profile on CCMs. Chose to spend the extra money on a custom profile vs upgrading to blacksteel. Why StepSteel? Because CCM blades are inferior. Why doesn't CCM either just put Step on everything Performance level and above or cut $50 off the price of the skate, sell the without runner and let us choose from the StepSteel line at an added cost.
Using ls3 blades
Doesn't really make sense the way you are describing the sharpening problem, I sharpen skates using a baldemaster and have never encountered this problem, although I've never sharpened these blades, for a blade to become unlevel, it is coming into contact with the wheel either on the top edge more or bottom edge more, it's always human error when blades are unlevel, not sure what's wrong with the Sparx machine unless they were unlevel to begin with, did you cross grind the blades when you first got them?
Self centering clamps, like found on the sparx and prosharp machines, rely on both flat surfaces being flat. Most steel does not have 2 actual flat sides. This isn't an issue on traditional sharpeners because you adjust for every pair of steel. For self centering clamps, the center point where the clamp works is not the same as the center point where the wheel is.
@@wwjohnnymaydo figured as much, once blades are unlevel the only way to to fix them is to relevel them. While a blade will obviously never be 100% level, if it's of but just a millimeter or 2 will the sparx machine make it worse? I have never used an automated sharpener. And I did actually get a chance to sharpen the carbon lite blades, I noticed the bump on the blades makes it super hard to fit onto a jig, I had to remove the blades to get them on, and they were extremely unlevel, don't even know how this kid was skating on them. I leveled them out and threw them back on his skates and I got them fairly level the first try
@@Horvie01 I'm referring to the actual flat "sides" of the blade. Where you would run a hone down.
@@wwjohnnymaydo oh ok yea that bump on the sides, that's why I had to remove the blades to sharpen them and set the clamp on the actual steel, not the carbon fiber.
@@Horvie01 well I'm referring to all steel in general. But yes, you should not be clamping on the carbon portion.
Looking forward to spending $300 for a set of the Carbon Ti blade next year lol
I cant take anything this guys says with validation.
Tydan DLC XS for CCM because Step Blacksteel is too expensive ;p
There the same price?
@@skatemanpotter In my currency, Tydan is much cheaper. As long as they were producing, I had dealer prices
As a skate sharpener I hate these 1/4 of the usable area of a normal blade on the professional sharpening as the carbon is not flat on any spot so there is no good spot to clamp to. and the steel itself is average quality like the old LS3. Under developed over priced
Flare blades 💯
“Lite but not hyper”
The blade issues might be coming from a bent blade. Check for trueness at a hockey shop
You love itt but you won’t use it so I don’t know what to think bro.?!?
Sounds like big guys like myself (115kg) are gonna have a bad time with these.
cool beans bro
Isk
I threw mine in the trash, most inconsistent runners. Terrible.
It's terrible steel. The edge doesn't even hold any longer then Pulse steel. You'll run out of steel if you sharpen your skate pretty consistently
nice
im so upset now. l actually just ordered a pair last week, havent gotten them yet but already on its way.
Send them back
@@nickcarroll87 lol they that bad?
Hey ✌🏻
Top video👌🏻
Would like to buy me after now 10 years hobby skating and freestyling times a really high quality shoe.
With field hockey I have nothing to do and go only 1-2 times a week in the hall skating for fun and to train my freestyle skills.
Wavering currently between a Bauer Supreme M4 which I would with the highest quality materials the T-Blade offers to a T-Blade skate rebuild or a Supreme M5 Pro with the highest quality blade, which I would then always send in for grinding (have no reasonable grinder on site and would like to fully exploit my 630 € budget).
Times an honest opinion for my area of use what seems more sensible to you?
Thank you and a successful week 😊
I like your voice
Total garbage blade. My 11 year old cracked two sets. Bauer did not stand behind the second set. Very dangerous product.
Don't buy these skates they break in 1 month max
Bauer blades are trash, Bladetech & Step > all else.
Can we get someone to review this who knows what they are actually talking about? Not some duster
What makes you think Chris doesn't know what he's talking about?!
Literally threw mine in the trash. They're nearly unusable.