Development Blog - Even Consoles Have CV Minimap Spotting...
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- čas přidán 24. 05. 2024
- WoWS Legends on console getting CV fuel limits and CV minimap spotting before the PC version was in fact not on my bingo list. Amazing. Now both Lesta and consoles are ahead of WG in basic common sense.
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Why go with the easy simple solution that's already implemented when you can try to make the most convoluted shitshow in an engine that completely breaks when you even touch the camera.
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Wait till you learn they massively buffed GK survivability. Like it's an actual tank now.
I'm starting to think its both a separate dev team and a separate engine for console.
@@SkyRaider-31there's some pretty wacky stuff on Legends like;
30mm plating on Edinburgh, which wasn't changed when she got nerfed.
Radar Budyonny
Plymouth at essentially PC T8 with exactly the same stats, but you have to choose between smoke or radar.
Småland is a TT tier 8 (PC tier 9), but has to choose heal or radar, and still has the powerful engine boost (I don't think it would hurt too much to give Halland that engine boost too, Halland looks like a downgrade at Legendary compared to Småland)
@@typeoddnamehere2362 Smaland is T10 on PC.
@@typeoddnamehere2362 I'm aware I've been playing since it's launch in 2019
PC also does this remarkable thing "you launch one plane from the ship and the rest of the squadron joins mid air"
WG is just correcting an historical design error from that era. It's much more efficient to just carry a few planes capable of opening warp gates so that the rest can be stationed on land and just warp in when needed.
they have a god damn ministry of balance
not a department
A WHOLE DAMN MINISTRY
Their ministry of Listening is doing a good job!
I wouldn't give them too much credit. The legends balance team still makes more goofs than not.
I wouldn't get it twisted. Our dev team still doesn't properly balance. Happens to be a rare W.
Then again in legends we got edinburg and wooster with fking 32mm plating. A light cruiser was as tanky as a BB 😂
And they still thought giving a Chapayev heavy cruiser alpha and 1/4 pen was a good idea
Glad Xarkun told ya About it! Nice to see you covering Legends!
Potatoes aren't just in your games. They're at WarGaming too!
The community sometimes literally tells what should be changed in what way. Its ignorance not incapability
at this point i think its more about Pride and Ego.
As a former pc player turned legends player i can say...
Why am i still playing their games...
Now that's a welcoming suprise flamu:)
Covering legends👍
Me as a Legends Player: ***Join Us***
YESSIR!!!
One of us… one of us!
*WE MUST PLAY LEGENDS, BROTHERS*
As a CV player, I actually like these changes and find them more interesting and fun compared to the boring gameplay offered by weegee in pc.
Agree 👍.
Agreed.
As an pre-rework and post rework ex cv main i absolutely agree
As a Surface Ship player main. I respect you.
Hello There friends, yall are welcome to join us in Legends. We’re more casual and laid back and the dev team genuinely cares and responds to us. I just ask that you leave any resentment you may harbor towards WOWS PC behind. It’s an entirely different dev team. I left WOWS PC for Legends years ago and never looked back. Join us friends and enjoy your stay :)
5 minutes after we join one of us will figure out how to teabag boats and it's all downhill from there.
Would be nice if the devs gave us a one time reset of all our commander XP
As a PC player I say we shouldn't come over. Don't let us PC maniacs ruin your peaceful game. 😂
"the dev team genuinely cares and responds to us"
good job outing yourself as a sub 50% wr lobotomite. the legends devs aren't much better than PC yet you're making them out to be saints 🤭
@@Dooomy homie we don’t have Puerto Rico fiascos, LittleWhiteMouse abuses, CC exoduses, loot box short lists, etc. Yes, they’re not perfect, but better than a lot. My friends and I switched and were happy here. You’re welcome to join us :)
So proud of the Legends devs for staying sober. Doubly so given that the main WG devs presumably drink nothing but vodka.
Its more common that devs give a shit about their game than not. Look at warframe, they bringed in a completely new gamemode a while ago... It was insanely and i mean insanely bad. What did they do? They took the time, listened to feedback, and made it a good alternative gamemode. What would wg do? Give a premium as a reward so you have to play it or pay. Or look at fallout 76, flop of the decade. Bethesda took the time to fix it instead of abandoning it like anthem got. Or there is stormworks. A rescue oriented vehicle builder sandbox. What if we had guns in it? Guess what. We got guns dlc. Trains? Sure. Space? Sure. Fishing? Okay lets add it. Oil extraction/refining? Say no more. And most of these came with free updates. Hell even the wot devs are better than wows ones. And thats a wild thing to say about wot. At least they can produce some fun gamemodes with fitting rewards. Sure they love their op premiums and garbage new maps. But still. They at least pretend to give a single fuck about the game. An event breaks the servers? They dont remove the gamemode,they extend its deadline and give compensation. The wows devs at least should try to look like they give a shit, but they dont even bother with that anymore. Except art department, art department carries wg as always
@@kermitthefrog1176 iirc, WG actually lost their art department during the break up with Lesta. As the art department located in St. Petersburg. So only the Russian version of the game still have the original art department working for them.
@@quocvinhnguyen2063 common wg L
You're right about the commanders in Legends but for the time being we have no subs, no rocket planes and no Hybrids yet so my dear Flolo Strange just go for it.
as a console shitter i must say, with the smaller maps and auto aim, begin spotted by a cv in a ed meant half of your hp being deleted, i’m so unbelievably happy for this changes
I loved this game from PC and became disassociated with it due to the unfun balance changes. I've played legends ever since and I have had a great time. Would love to see you cover at least the dovblegs on Legends when they come out once a month. Legendary content as always.
The management of this company is a tragedy… just because of pride and egos, this game keeps turning to trash when it could be very easy to solve the solutions without creating more problems
At what point will people actually realize that the legends devs, unlike PC devs, actually care about the game
that's a joke
Now who are the plebs? 😄
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Oh no 😅
Flamu, You're the best! I subscribed because I love your content!
Legends content creator here and 5 year veteran - absolutely love the changes lol. We got it good here hahaha
Yeah but the CV dpm increase is getting skipped
Battleships will be having so much fun at LT and t7
@@godzinny-ogon367Exaclty this
BTW this review coming from you Flolo definitely sounds like a blessing indeed and I've been watching the PC game since it came out in 2015 and been playing the console version since the open beta back in 2019.
We would be happy to have you covering our game Flamu. We also don’t have to deal with submarines. Js!
Switched to console when I heard that submarines were in testing on PC. Best choice ever
I'm hopful the Legends Devs keep their word and keep subs out of the game. They're struggling as it is with balancing carriers
CC for Legends here. I feel like PC devs need to just git gud 😂😂😂
15:20 Flamu was having a genuine religious experience for 2-3 seconds here.
WG doing everything in their power to do absolutely nothing good for the health of the game
FYI on Legends this patch made carriers overpowered as fuck but the spotting changes are an improvement
WoWS on PC is now more of a clown show than ever. EVERY version has a better CV version than the normal , years old version. Blitz? Simplefied RTS (best in my eyes) , Russia? Changes the players wanted , Console (which was the real target for the CV Rework and now gets independent version of PC so WHY did PC needed this?!) ? Most requested nerfs of all.... Someone at WG HQ rly loves CVs and ONLY plays CVs. This is insane
I think Legends has a better dev team than PC due to the majority of people playing PC before joining, sailing Robin himself is head of community relations.
Definitely should have read more of the patch notes legends carriers are completely busted AA is now obsolete
@Flamu Thank you for eroding my belief in WG again. I appreciate your honesty. Long Live Flambass!
Columbo is one of the best battleships in the game on console as well. 😂
Hi I’m a legends player and this update has been an absolute disaster, they have given cv’s unlimited planes and more damage which has resulted in a cv player getting 489k damage literally every cv is getting 200k plus damage and the game is unplayable as a bb. Spotting changes and limited fuel are good but as usual wg have f up big time it’s like no one has tested before making update live.
Thank you for covering this, Flamu! AA still doesn't do much though to enemy planes.
They are taking carriers in the wrong direction. Its supposed to be a support class not a damage dealing class. Now muppets can constantly spam BBs for damage and not get deplaned.
Cv as supporting class still annoys other players but becomes boring and no sense to play for cv-players
@@pingpong_ Good. Maybe those brainless fucks will finally leave the game then.
Nah support class won't work. They tried that with arty in WoT and guess what: It's still aids to play against and hated by 99% of the playerbase but now it's not even satisfying to hit people with it anymore.
Only solution, as with arty, would be to just remove carriers because their base design is completely flawed and unfun to play against. But they would never do that. I doubt any game company would tbh.
Arty was fine before they ruined it with stun BS. Literally all you had to do was not camp in the open and keep moving to counter it. It wasn't even a support class it was a high risk high reward damage dealing class. New Legends carriers are no risk high damage class.
Should’ve mentioned the Ignis Purgatio buff just as an aside lol
45% fire on Nagato guns lol
Holy shit, I was just thinking about how a good way to balance CVs would be to just make the fuckin planes have limited range xD
Saipan and Pobeda were busted CVs for over two years on console, a welcomed change indeed
As a ps player on Legends since it came out You are right about the commanders being ptw especially them buffing the Warhammer ones they nerf high tier German secondaries reload then sell Bismarck commander that lowers reload to secondaries "create a problem sell the solution" is their motto 😂
when WoWs PC Art department is the balancing department of WoWs Legends
Wow. Makes me almost wanna play console.
We will welcome you with open arms. We have the superior product at this point (not to mention the largest player base at this point, as confirmed by WG on stream).
One of us, one of us.
W legends
So the art department is taken by Russian part, the balance department is taken by the console part and the greedy marketing department is taken by US and EU pc part
i remember playing legends and getting skip bomb drop from the side
it such a fucking cancer
Rejoice for that will no longer be the case cause they’ll have to skip at least once to arm
I switched over to legends from PC a couple years ago and I haven’t looked back. It’s just a goofy fun time most of the time instead of just cancer.
I play legends and this has been a long time coming. I played hakuryu on pc before the og cv rework and the carriers on legends have been so much more game breaking than super carriers on pc could ever be
I'm sorry, what? I don't mean to be rude, but how could anyone with a functioning brain think that legends CVs are "much more game breaking" than PC CVs, much less the PC super CVs.
I'm a legends player and (very long ago) former PC player, and I avidly watch Flamus content to keep up to date with PC. You are absolutely out of your mind if you believe what you are saying. We only have a few CV on legends then even fit into the "overpowered" category, and even then only just if you exclude ark royal (which was kinda nerfed, but now also buffed again).
@@pilotace200 I get what you’re saying and I probably should have rephrased because the Saipan and Pobeda are absolutely more game breaking than every carrier on pc tier for tier because of the smaller battles on legends. A legends carrier will spot the entire enemy team before battleships are finished reloading and zone out the entire map. They have the ability to one shot destroyers without very much effort and cause permanent floods that last a minute and a half. Because of the smaller battles, a carrier can force an entire enemy team to sit at the back, kill dds, scout the whole map, and focus down whoever at will and finish them off with 2-3 strikes. Both are op as fuck but legends carriers are rediculous in my humble opinion
@@ramseywalker4671 I'm still going to have to disagree. Our CVs are completely different to PC in a lot of important ways, and probably the biggest is the battle size (which is actually a point you brought up, which I don't think you realized the implications when you said it). Yes, we have smaller battles on legends (9v9) compared to PC (12v12), but we also only have 1 CV per team (1 in 9) compared to PC that either has 2 CVs, 2 submarines, or 1 CV and 1 submarine (1 in 6). Proportionately legends actually has a lower concentration of CVs in a match compared to PC, and CV matches are less common on legends, especially as you go up in tier when compared to PC.
@@pilotace200 fair point, I didn’t think about that. Hybrids as well that don’t take up a cv slot are brain dead.
It pushes carriers to the limit, carriers at the top of the scorecard 2k base xp every match
I can say as a Legends player
This update is a dumpster fire. BB's are effectively obsolete in the game now
This isn't the first time either a WG title had better changes on console than on PC. In World of TAnks, they tried a few successful changes out on Console first before bringing them over to PC.
I think one of the changes was the change to damage between normal and premium shells. People had been asking for years in WoT PC that premium or "special" rounds do less damage to compensate for the greater pen. I believe they did it first on console before eventually bringing it over to PC. And overall the change was quite welcome by the community. So
So fingers crossed this happens for WoWs.
They still haven't brought that change to WOT PC, only mode where damage is consistently lower with premium rounds is steel hunter (the battle royal mode). They added a few tanks with lower damage gold rounds, but there are more that have higher damage gold rounds than ones that have lower damage
Finally after all these years, o wait Nevermind 😢
Cvs need to have 3 predefined load outs that the player has to choose before the battle starts. You either get a lot of spotting planes but literally deal no damage or pick between rocket /bomb planes or torpedo bombers but lose all ability to spot and have to rely on teammate spotting for that. Not only cvs play entirely different game than all other classes, they can both spot and deal damage from outside the normal gun range, this has to stop. At least in wot the artillery is blind and squishy.
If they change it for the PC, I just may come bk!
Im a Legends player and Carriers Like Zuiho Graf Zeppelin Midway and Harkryu were dog water and this may of made them better where like Saipan and Weser and Russian carriers were like gods
We need to start a petition to do this to pc
I'd come back and play if those 2 changes alone were implemented into WoWs.
Not only Planes. All forms of indirect Spotting should be Minimap only for the Team.
for years i been saying that plane NEED fuel and flight time limits, that's the only CV rework that should had been done and crickets, now console get it first !! wow
I propose that when a plane is spotting a ship any ship within a certain radius any ship outside that radius should only be minimap spotting
Legends carrier are very needed and lack rocket bombers so cause they not op nobody plays them if you take a legendary carrier to battle the queue time will be around 5 mins
Nothing was more infuriating when a CV was in your match and the first thing they did was reverse to the border to the point by the time it was just a CV left. It was hiding in the fucking map corner and most times you weren't getting their in time or lack of range. But yes, our commander system is beyond dented. DDs and BBs get downsides to their builds, but cruisers regardless of their builds(outside of collab commanders in some cases) have nothing but pure buffs. Also CVs have a funny button that reduces AA damage by 50%. It used to be 100% at one point. A rare W, but Legends dev team still fumbles more often than not.
WG is too proud to listen.
I hope the lead of Legends balancing team gets promoted and takes over PC as well :)
No
As a console scrub, it's nice to see that we actually have good balance changes compared to the PC version. Rare console W
Played for years, loved the game, they added subs, started to enjoy less and less, started to figure out all those bugs, updates always dumber than the previous one, stopped playing for like the last 6 months and this monday i finally uninstalled it. And you know what ? I am not even sad, it was a good game, yes, it "was", but now i am done.
Thanks flamu for all your videos, I will keep watching you, i just hope that you still enjoy the game
I started playing WoWs with the console version right after it released and top tier was basically just a bunch of Iowa spam. I got out of it and started on PC simply cuz there was more going on with PC... I remember them nerfing Amagi a metric ton at the start of the game for literally no logical reason while admitting nobody really plays her. My memory of that version of the game is also of a lot of wtf balance decisions... but this is obviously a massive W, and it has been quite some time since I last played on console version. They got a lot more to play now than they did 5 years ago
Oh yea: Pretty sure I remember them saying they would probably not implement CVs in this version of the game either back then as well? lol
They never said they would not implement them, they had always said "it isn't planned" until suddenly it was planned. Then they told us about it, and implementation was slow enough through a special game mode to make sure there wasn't going to be a massive backlash that destroyed the game.
Fella go check out Legends now 😭
Console masterrace
Console ver even has ability to control secondaries yourself too.
That's not a thing. You can priority target, but the secondaries are still garbage in general.
Unfortunately that is incorrect. What we have is a target priority button where we can tag a ship and any secondary gun that *can* hit that ship, will *only* shoot that ship until it is either dead, or no longer able to be hit.
That’s mobile and blitz
@@DontAttme Blitz *is* mobile, and Legends is also now available on mobile. I don't play blitz so I can't speak to it, but I assure you that legends (even on mobile) doesn't have that (or I would totally abuse it, because I live my secondary builds).
Speaking of balance.. i'm not sure if this is the optimal place to say this or if anyone cares, but I think it needs to be said. I recently did an analysis (don't know if anyone has but probably) of the balance of a game I played. Not based on win ratio or ship type or tier etc but of experience. Not xp but games played. The difference between the 2 teams was a mere 16,600 games. Flamu, or anyone bothered to read this, does WG account for actual experience when balancing games? This is the Asian server. I think not. I think this actually matters to game play and therefore enjoyment. I think this affects the game more than anything. As an insane person, I wish they would fix this most important balancing factor so I may actually enjoy the game. For once.
Cheers
and i tought we were pc masterrace
It's your Fault, Flolo
No way they get both omg.
At this point im sure is eithier a ego issue from wg or someone in the balance deparment is a CV main and that's why they refuse to nerf CV's
Ive been playing for over 8 years and i haven't meet a single person who enjoy playing against carriers
On PC CVs will just suck from both ends. Making CVs unable to spot for themselves while creating AA traps that you cannot avoid is just bad design - similar to how it is bad design right now to be randomly airspotted as a DD or any ship that relies on stealth. And no one even knows how the switching of modes will even behave, probably it will be like the dolphining on subs and need a lot of adjustments for ages. And now just imagine how busted CV + sub divs are going to be, where they just permaspot for the CV with almost immunity - btw, it will be again the ships pushing in who will probably be focused the hardest. These are all guesses but I simply cannot imagine a positive outcome for all that lol
mini map spotting happens during typhoons... no clue why it doesn't happen with planes
BB main I'm not sure I will like this. I routinely have 20-50k damage off cv spotting before ships have even spotted other ships so thats a hit. And now the only chance I have to spot a dd staying just out of his detection range is removed too from my spotting aircraft that could fly further out and catch him. I have like 21000 kills id bet a 1000 of them came from that. Like a dd that knows I'm charging his smoke hes 4 km away and decides to run out the back I can't see him through the smoke but my spotter sees him leaving and I get a shot off before he reloads his torps and takes another massive chunk from my health because in this game torps have 0 realism. Then never go off course from where they were aimed.Then never fail to detonate. They never glance off so even at extreme angles where it should scrape the paint as it continues after never coming close to the contact point it always detonates.
Trust me friend, as a military history fan, you do *not* want to open the "but my realism" can of worms to try and justify your annoyance at *any* balance changes, especially as a BB main. You would be screwed over so hard by realism.
@@pilotace200 It's a slippery slope for sure. True realism which we won't do would eliminate DDs a playable class. Most capital ships were equipped with radar and they didn't only work for 20-30 seconds so the dd would never ever be in torp range. Which is why the only time you see hits with them was to finish off an already defeated opponent or in night actions. Other interesting bit is how much more accurate bbs were example would be BB mass kicking the crap out 3 dds after jean bart at what would be in the game considered extreme ranges.
It could be so much less complicated xD
@Flamuu this update broke the game…one midway can do 500kdmg like nothing
Come to the dark side flamu, join us 🥺
Consoles master race.
Apparently, subs have already been spotted in testing for legends, a class they said would never come to legends.
This is not true. The devs have no current plans for subs and they are definitely not in testing.
They have repeatedly said no plans, but also never say never. One of the CMs said on a recent stream though, if we did get them, it would be far, far in the future.
That was an April fools prank video that one of the CCs made with the help of a very talented friend with Photoshop (or some other program).
If the spotter planes CANT spot torps....we are gonna have a lot of bbs captains really really angry...
most likeley it will still increase the range - you just cant use it to spot ships behind islands anymore, or a dd that ventured too close. Considering they get so much less tortured by cv spotting, I reckon this is a trade the vast majority of none-cv players will be happy to make.
I'm a legends player, and honestly that's one of the changes I have mixed feeling about. Mostly good, but there's some niche cases that aircraft torpedo spotting has really saved my hide.
Also, humorously, it's a good thing they are changing the name of our spotter plane to "Observation Seaplane" so that people don't get the wrong idea.
There is also when they released Weimar wich was hilariously op they actually nerfed it wg would never do that on pc
I mean, yes, they did nerf it (sort of) by moving it up a tier without buffing it. But that took so long (like ark royal nerf). The legends team is very good at listening to us, but they have absolutely had hiccups and they aren't always the fastest to react (which can also be a good thing sometimes).
truly wows PC dev hate their playerbase so fucking much
by god this company....
Legends folk🫡
The Fuel change is great, however i would love to see limited hangar capacity as well.
It is annoying as fuck to chase a CV and getting fucked by them over and over again.
Anyway, after i get my Wisconsin i will probably uninstall the game again annd don't care anymore. Beside the CV and sub issue, the insane amount of idiots in this playerbase is killing every fun.
Console is the giga chad lol
Wait, isn't Legends owned by WG? So they should have no problem implementing this into PC version, right?
Folks at PC version wants all of us to move to Console Version.
2 years ago you made a video about the reload buff captain skills how broken they were,using the rmb by holding it down,using bigger response time while clicking and what passing the reducing health treshold and AR would add up or reduce to reload and if a heal was used etc.You should make a follow up video since the theme of the last days is another bug,this time you should add as a condition its an arms race battle if that is possible,or you can go to randoms or ranked and take a screenshot of the NEW player base that WG end up with today in 2024,average,with WR battles played,in a few simpler words ,the today average wows player,you be shocked in what you find
So console getting like Honkai Star Rail treatment while PC (EN) gets Genshin Impact treatment
Hi Flolo! Until that point we saw, WG lost in the upgrading race to Lesta. And now we reached the point when WG losing aganist WG too? So the 3 kingdom (Lesta, WG console and WG PC) we are the weakest WG PC players.
Well done WG you have been defeated by your own console section!
No subs on console either lol 😆
If I had a console, I'd switch to Legends in this instant bro. These changes show that they at least care about balancing.
It's available on mobile, if you have a phone or tablet that can run it, and can get used to touch controls. Carriers aren't currently available, but were teased recently and will likely arrive in the next couple months. Controller support is also on the list of things they have cooking, which I'm personally looking forward to.
@@karroq thank you for the tip, however I've never been into mobile gaming unfortunately
If you get one, we will welcome you with open arms.
Although now the worst carrier in Legends somehow became the best one lol
Graf Zeppelin? Those accuracy buffs seem like they are going to be spicy.
quit for 1 year now, check in Flamu here and then, War gambling still do the same shit, glad not to be back
If they want pc players to leave the game they are making a hell of a good job.
Join us.
One of us, one of us.
by the way we would love more skilled players so what are you waiting for join us
commanders arent that much pay to win its more like the skill level and trust we got a million potatoes
also even with the free commanders you can do outstanding