I want to believe that if you meld Urza, Mishra and Titania on the battlefield at once, you unlock a mega-meld planeswalker off the Arena “secret menu”
I mean it would need to be significantly better than all three of those combined which would be what? Indestructible, hexproof, you may activate this planeswalker's abilities any time you could cast an instant, your opponents can't cast spells or activate abilities during your turn, +1 you win the game, if you don't all of your opponents lose the game, if not all of them do exile all permanents your opponents control. 😝
Last week, there was a poll. My comment on it was "I want to see a 5-color deck where you have all three melds successfully working on the battlefield at the same time. I’d settle for Mishra and Urza at the same time." Looks like I won that poll.
Seemed like that card showed up A LOT in these matches. Must be significantly better than people initially thought. Worked pretty good against us these games...
That was one of the craziest Against the Odds I’ve ever seen. Thank you for fixing Urza and Mishra. As awesome as it was, I think my favorite part was that every opponent was reading your Eeeeeeeevolving Wilds. Was it because people don’t play it much in standard anymore, or was it because you were using the uncommonly seen Rivals of Ixalan version?
Evolving Wilds doesn't show up much current, in part because we have a lot of good dual lands and in part because most decks that want Evolving Wilds use the common Streets of New Capenna sac lands instead since they gain a life and basically do the same thing in three or less color decks.
When I saw the uncommon, rare and mythic versions of the brothers, my mind instantly went to how Pokémon evolution lines work in the Pokémon TCG. So the Melds would be their Mega Evolutions with the stones/the dragon engine as the Mega Stones.
I think MtGArena should provide rewards for playing to completion of games. This would incentivize playing more fun crazy strategies because more people would actually let you do your cool thing, and you'd still get something out of playing a deck that loses a lot. And isn't that one of the aspects that makes Magic worth playing? Accomplishing crazy things and having fun?
The problem is then you’d have a bunch of opponents who are incentivized to make you play out a combo loop over and over or otherwise take steps to close out a game that’s already decided. Unless it’s your first time getting some wild strategy to work I think it would just make arena a lot more tedious. It wouldn’t really be fun to feel like you have to play out games from the lost position either
I see that you tend to have one-off cards in Against the Odds decks that fit the theme, but always get cut in sideboarding. Like the uncommon Urza and Mishra in this deck. If the card is bad enough in the context of this deck that it always get cut first thing in sideboarding, personally I’d think it better to include something different in its place. If you wanted to, you could include extra copies of other on-theme cards instead, like an extra copy or two of the rare Mishra (which you rightly noted in this video is actually pretty spicy) So maybe you don’t end up playing every single version of Urza and Mishra, but I think that’s fine. Just my two cents anyway. Vids are great regardless.
Minor punt at 36:10, should have used bloodtithe to kill a soldier token before using the blood, keeping Bloodtithe in the graveyard. The 3 life gain probably won't matter 90% of the time.
17:46 not that it matters at all, but technically you missed lethal here - if your opponent blocked with Bankbuster, they would go down to 1. That being said, if you instead blasted the Bankbuster, then it would die from the -1/-1 from Mishra, and with your opponent at 11 from the other Mishra trigger, and your creatures having trample and haste for 13, their 2/2 isn’t enough to block. You could also blast their face since your creatures have trample, but blasting the Bankbuster is probably better for board advantage.
Urza: "I AM RESCUING MY PIECE OF SHIT BROTHER FROM PHYREXIA AND NONE OF YOU CAN F*CKING STOP ME" i've never read an mtg book yet but I assume this is very ooc but still fun Edit: That last round of match 1 was just Mishra going "You killed my brother, Prepare to die" Edit 2: Also if rats on motorcycles damages your immersion you have other problems. Mostly low imagination.
It's not that Out Of Character. The war among the two brothers was built upon Gix's influence over the already conflicting political landscape of Yotia vs. the Fallaji to start, and Urza detonating the Sylex Blast in an attempt to erase the Phyrexians he discovered taking over his brother and now using him to try to take the rest of the world. He went on after that on a 4 thousand year struggle to stop Phyrexia because he saw the destructive potential they had, preparing multiple elaborate plans that accounted even for his own demise or compleation. Still his sparks lives on in Karn.
I'm pretty familiar with the lore and I'm pretty sure this doesn't line up well. For instance, Optimus Prime plays a very important role and is nowhere to be found?
you know I don't think it would have saved you but I feel like you could have used bloodtithe to drop sheoldred's health into dying to your 2/2 range in the second round of the first match
that both the players slamming black decks don't understand how vehicles work and that the soldiers player doesn't understand how double strike works is poetic
You're right, it nearly destroyed Terisiare (a continent of Dominaria), and plunged the plane into an Ice Age and locked it and 11 others in the Shard of the Twelve Worlds... Urza became a planeswalker just after the Sylex Blast, and went on in a 4 thousand year struggle to stop Phyrexia because he saw the destructive potential they had, preparing multiple elaborate plans that accounted even for his own demise or compleation. Still his sparks lives on in Karn.
Didn't the game START with Aladdin and his lamp in it? Immersion in what lol? Their heads in the sand maybe. I cant wait till they throw in figures from our universe. Something like Gandalf vs Aladdin vs Mishra vs Napolean Bonaparte should be the ULTIMATE in multiversal immersion
Question- does playing Portal to Phyrexia/Cityscape Leveler mean you are giving in to destiny or are you showing The Boys an ugly, wretched possible future for therapy purposes ? The most fucked up part is there is absolutely a multiverse plane out there where the brothers and both their wives and children are having weekend picnics and everything turned out okay.
Thank you for saying that about the rats on motorcycles. (Not to mention our new space dogs, circus attractions, and stickers.) People are such whiners. We have the most ridiculous stuff in the Magic Universe, I honestly can't see any legitimacy in their complaints about Universes Beyond.
@@thechestrockfield If you've got an objection to high tech in your MTG, you still have it. You just can't say "regular magic doesn't have motorcycles". You can still say "Regular magic went for almost 30 years without guns and motorcycles ". Honestly, I think that the underlying objection to universes beyond is that it hurts suspension of disbelief. My biggest specific objections to universes beyond (not done the godzilla way, that's the best way) are first, that putting the magic color system to them is a kludge, and second, too many of them are earth-centric, and third, some of them don't have magic in them at all. Universes beyond is fun, but I think they've been inadequate about assuring people that the quality of lore for the main mtg sets won't suffer as a result. (as evidenced by this conversation).
@Derrick White You can't really say that though. There have been many cannons, guns, grenades, explosives, and rocket launchers throughout almost the entirety of Magic, some as early as Alpha. In 1998, you had Alaborn Zealot holding a shotgun and Alaborn Musketeer holding, I presume, a musket. Another interesting point: guns were invented probably over a thousand years before sunglasses. There were sunglasses in Alpha. So they were able to invent cannons, rocket launchers, grenades, and sunglasses, but the sticking point for people is regular old guns? I just don't get why people have their panties in a twist over only that specific weaponry. As for vehicles, maybe not motorcycles, specifically, but we've have the actual vehicle type for over 6 years now. More importantly, lore-wise, the possibility of engine-based locomotion has been in the Magic universe at least since Antiquities with Dragon Engine, a card with engine in the name and what looks to be a steam-powered-engine driven machine in the artwork, same for Triskelion. (And that's assuming the Alpha Juggernaut ISN'T powered by some kind of engine, but it seems like it would need to be to get the momentum to smash a hole in a mountainside...) And not for nothing, but Alpha also had hot air balloons and pirate ships that no one has ever complained about. What I'm saying is I see no consistency to what the problem people have is. It's not a timeline thing because there's plenty of stuff that was invented both before and after the things people are complaining about, and there are plenty of elements of those things that show up in other forms no one ever complained about. Honestly, it seems like people just trying to justify their dislike of something they dislike for non-MtG-lore-related reasons (like financial reasons).
@@thechestrockfield You have your counterexample here. I'm a Free to Play arena player who likes watching content creators and reading up on the lore for fun. I dislike extended universes for what are at least lore-adjacent reasons. First off, I just dislike some of the extended universe base material. Second, I worry about what including extended universes says about the future production of lore. See forgotten realms; I actually like and play D&D, but it'd be nice to have new original settings. Third, I've made lore-specific comments above, about including earth and color-coordination I do think some people just dislike the base material and are unwilling or unable to articulate their objections, and so go after it in more general terms. About Guns... you should actually go look it up. Its fascinating. The Alaborn cards are famous because they are exceptions. Other fire-arms are all on goblin cards drawn rather comically, and tend towards artillery and away from hand held guns. Or are on Pirates from Ixalan. But I did misspeak: guns have not been normalized, new Cappenna does not have them. Fun fact.
It baffles me how literally noone is actively speaking up against the arena shuffler. 9/10 games feel rigged either for you or for the opponent. And this has been here since the beginning. Cant we have a non rigged random shuffler game mode ?
It should "feel" rigged. Fair random chance feels unfair. Most adults who play card games will have heard about human perception of randomness. We seek patterns obsessively, that's what we are good at. This makes us trash at detecting randomness, the absence of patterns. Your brain finds prophecies in tea leaves and animals in clouds. You tell yourself this "obvious pattern" of exceptionally unlucky opening hands must have an explanation, random events couldn't have an obvious pattern! But nope, it was fair random. To "feel" fair the shuffler would need to be cheating for you.
I want to believe that if you meld Urza, Mishra and Titania on the battlefield at once, you unlock a mega-meld planeswalker off the Arena “secret menu”
I mean it would need to be significantly better than all three of those combined which would be what? Indestructible, hexproof, you may activate this planeswalker's abilities any time you could cast an instant, your opponents can't cast spells or activate abilities during your turn, +1 you win the game, if you don't all of your opponents lose the game, if not all of them do exile all permanents your opponents control. 😝
This secret super-meld card also locks your opponent out of conceding.
@@thechestrockfieldthere is a reason it’s a secret card. I heard if you mega-meld you qualify for the next Arena Championship with a bye 😂
@@Graatand Only concede at sorcery speed is the best Rule 0 ever.
Now imagine doing that in modern with Bruna and Gisela too
'' The multiverse is at peace, No Optimus Prime needed. We did it. '' - Seth 2022
"The last powerstone is in captivity. The galaxy is at peace."
Last week, there was a poll. My comment on it was "I want to see a 5-color deck where you have all three melds successfully working on the battlefield at the same time. I’d settle for Mishra and Urza at the same time."
Looks like I won that poll.
There's not the green one though.
@@animationtime7265 he did say he would settle for just Mishra and Urza.
@@Temperans I genuinely don't know how I didn't notice that.
@@animationtime7265 Two out of three ain’t bad.
@@josephiroth89 what would have been better would be if they had EVERY meld creature at once.
The premise behind this deck is fantastic. I absolutely love the theme here.
Thanks!
Yeah, really like how he tells a story with his decks.
Attempting to meld Urza and Mishra's friendship together today, I see
I have not yet seen a soldier deck with that level of removal and then for you to win with a mull to 4. wow i love your content seth
Seemed like that card showed up A LOT in these matches. Must be significantly better than people initially thought. Worked pretty good against us these games...
So the real secret to peace was Urza just had to accept Phyrexia. All must be one.
That was one of the craziest Against the Odds I’ve ever seen. Thank you for fixing Urza and Mishra. As awesome as it was, I think my favorite part was that every opponent was reading your Eeeeeeeevolving Wilds. Was it because people don’t play it much in standard anymore, or was it because you were using the uncommonly seen Rivals of Ixalan version?
Evolving Wilds doesn't show up much current, in part because we have a lot of good dual lands and in part because most decks that want Evolving Wilds use the common Streets of New Capenna sac lands instead since they gain a life and basically do the same thing in three or less color decks.
Seth plays therapist for the sake of Dominaria. What a guy! 😊
When I saw the uncommon, rare and mythic versions of the brothers, my mind instantly went to how Pokémon evolution lines work in the Pokémon TCG. So the Melds would be their Mega Evolutions with the stones/the dragon engine as the Mega Stones.
"Cityscape Landscaper" oh please never change Seth
Silver Seraph🤣🤣🤣
I think MtGArena should provide rewards for playing to completion of games. This would incentivize playing more fun crazy strategies because more people would actually let you do your cool thing, and you'd still get something out of playing a deck that loses a lot. And isn't that one of the aspects that makes Magic worth playing? Accomplishing crazy things and having fun?
The problem is then you’d have a bunch of opponents who are incentivized to make you play out a combo loop over and over or otherwise take steps to close out a game that’s already decided. Unless it’s your first time getting some wild strategy to work I think it would just make arena a lot more tedious. It wouldn’t really be fun to feel like you have to play out games from the lost position either
Breya Etherium Shaper is going to be the family therapist commander
Your therapy deck works great for the brothers now you need to make one for the royal family of Kroog!
It's really cool how the color identities work so neatly. WU brother vs RB brother vs the spirit of the Forest.
This was a deck I’ve been waiting for since brothers war came out
Seeing Seth commit to the bit through the entire video in addition to him just having genuine excitement over every win was amazing.
No joke: prior to recording the video, he earned a degree in psychology. THAT's commitment.
Tocasia in the Unlicensed Hearse is a flavor win.
nice seeing a standard deck that looks like some commander monstrosity :) fun deck!
"the brothers mull to four" is pretty good
"Koopa, the troopas, the princess, the others...hangin' with the plumbers, you'll be hooked on the brothers!"
Another great video brother Set. 👏 I did not think peace would be possible between the brothers.
I see that you tend to have one-off cards in Against the Odds decks that fit the theme, but always get cut in sideboarding. Like the uncommon Urza and Mishra in this deck.
If the card is bad enough in the context of this deck that it always get cut first thing in sideboarding, personally I’d think it better to include something different in its place.
If you wanted to, you could include extra copies of other on-theme cards instead, like an extra copy or two of the rare Mishra (which you rightly noted in this video is actually pretty spicy) So maybe you don’t end up playing every single version of Urza and Mishra, but I think that’s fine.
Just my two cents anyway. Vids are great regardless.
I am glad Seth you are working with the Brothers to work through their issues - family strife is never a reason to send a world into an ice age.
I really enjoyed your version of mono W soldiers that can be aggressive but also grind out long games with dawnguards and officers.
Coming back to this video after wilds of eldraine has made me believe that whenever siblings get into a fight its always gonna be azorious vs ractos
Would you say that Match 2 was... a cathartic reunion....?
I'll see myself out
What a wholesome Against the Odds 🥰
Super Urza Bros. Featuring Princess Kayla.
'....and all the little woodland creatures sang and danced, and there was much rejoicing.'
Can’t wait for the “Super Artifact Bros” movie starring Chris Pratt as Urza.
Hey Seth, Brazilian People just love your content, keep it UP....
Urza headmaster can solve these family quarrels.
Mmmmm, 4 color meld control :) brings a smile to my face
Minor punt at 36:10, should have used bloodtithe to kill a soldier token before using the blood, keeping Bloodtithe in the graveyard. The 3 life gain probably won't matter 90% of the time.
This reminds me of my Grixis (+ white) Ugin/Bolas control deck in Historic. Brothers together are just better.
Me: the perfect mtg deck doesn’t exist.
Me after seeing this: hold up.
The cmcs is this deck probably require 27-28 lands
Just started the video but I was hoping this would be a deck you would make in this Standard!
"The world is at peace"
Ignores that mishra was a phyrexian in the scenario
17:46 not that it matters at all, but technically you missed lethal here - if your opponent blocked with Bankbuster, they would go down to 1. That being said, if you instead blasted the Bankbuster, then it would die from the -1/-1 from Mishra, and with your opponent at 11 from the other Mishra trigger, and your creatures having trample and haste for 13, their 2/2 isn’t enough to block. You could also blast their face since your creatures have trample, but blasting the Bankbuster is probably better for board advantage.
Bros before Servos
Urza: "I AM RESCUING MY PIECE OF SHIT BROTHER FROM PHYREXIA AND NONE OF YOU CAN F*CKING STOP ME"
i've never read an mtg book yet but I assume this is very ooc but still fun
Edit: That last round of match 1 was just Mishra going "You killed my brother, Prepare to die"
Edit 2: Also if rats on motorcycles damages your immersion you have other problems. Mostly low imagination.
It's not that Out Of Character. The war among the two brothers was built upon Gix's influence over the already conflicting political landscape of Yotia vs. the Fallaji to start, and Urza detonating the Sylex Blast in an attempt to erase the Phyrexians he discovered taking over his brother and now using him to try to take the rest of the world. He went on after that on a 4 thousand year struggle to stop Phyrexia because he saw the destructive potential they had, preparing multiple elaborate plans that accounted even for his own demise or compleation. Still his sparks lives on in Karn.
Against the odds proves if the brothers just worked together they would've been unstoppable
goofiest video idea, lol. I love MtgGoldfish
I'm pretty familiar with the lore and I'm pretty sure this doesn't line up well. For instance, Optimus Prime plays a very important role and is nowhere to be found?
Ah, a fellow NPN fan
Would have loved a Jerry springer into 😂
These days I also have land issues on many of my decks, more than before
“Silver Seraph”
Easily one of the best misnamings by Seth. Silver isn’t anywhere on the card lol
BRO Tribal looks fun.
haha I love this idea!
Against the Odds Tawnos in standard!
You call this against the odds? But we already know... Nothing is stronger then family!
Splosions!!!! Butts!!! Cool cars go vroom!
you know I don't think it would have saved you but I feel like you could have used bloodtithe to drop sheoldred's health into dying to your 2/2 range in the second round of the first match
"Bloodtithe Haavista"
Please add Hulking Metamorph
that both the players slamming black decks don't understand how vehicles work and that the soldiers player doesn't understand how double strike works is poetic
Wibbly Wobbly Timey Whimey.... Stuff
How did brother’s war nearly destroy multiverse? I thought they weren’t planeswalker back then?
You're right, it nearly destroyed Terisiare (a continent of Dominaria), and plunged the plane into an Ice Age and locked it and 11 others in the Shard of the Twelve Worlds... Urza became a planeswalker just after the Sylex Blast, and went on in a 4 thousand year struggle to stop Phyrexia because he saw the destructive potential they had, preparing multiple elaborate plans that accounted even for his own demise or compleation. Still his sparks lives on in Karn.
Didn't the game START with Aladdin and his lamp in it? Immersion in what lol? Their heads in the sand maybe. I cant wait till they throw in figures from our universe. Something like Gandalf vs Aladdin vs Mishra vs Napolean Bonaparte should be the ULTIMATE in multiversal immersion
You're sleeves remind me of Metal Gear Solid.
They are actually from the Metal Gear Solid artist.
Brothers peace
Didn't realize Seth was dissatisfied with the state of standard. Is that a widespread view of BRO?
My view of Standard mostly depends on how many black decks I've played in a row while recording :)
@@MTGGoldfish The 60% Sheoldred share would get old.
my heart 😭
It's brothers tribal
Question- does playing Portal to Phyrexia/Cityscape Leveler mean you are giving in to destiny or are you showing The Boys an ugly, wretched possible future for therapy purposes ?
The most fucked up part is there is absolutely a multiverse plane out there where the brothers and both their wives and children are having weekend picnics and everything turned out okay.
If brutal cathar and sheoldred got banned standard would be so healthy
Next do 5 color meld
45:03 ...Why no attack?
He probably just forgot it has vigilance
Thank you for saying that about the rats on motorcycles. (Not to mention our new space dogs, circus attractions, and stickers.) People are such whiners. We have the most ridiculous stuff in the Magic Universe, I honestly can't see any legitimacy in their complaints about Universes Beyond.
to be fair, the biker rats and space dogs are new...
@@derrickthewhite1 Still, there's no appreciable reason to [still] be mad about Universes Beyond if "regular" Magic has these things though...
@@thechestrockfield If you've got an objection to high tech in your MTG, you still have it. You just can't say "regular magic doesn't have motorcycles". You can still say "Regular magic went for almost 30 years without guns and motorcycles ".
Honestly, I think that the underlying objection to universes beyond is that it hurts suspension of disbelief. My biggest specific objections to universes beyond (not done the godzilla way, that's the best way) are first, that putting the magic color system to them is a kludge, and second, too many of them are earth-centric, and third, some of them don't have magic in them at all.
Universes beyond is fun, but I think they've been inadequate about assuring people that the quality of lore for the main mtg sets won't suffer as a result. (as evidenced by this conversation).
@Derrick White You can't really say that though. There have been many cannons, guns, grenades, explosives, and rocket launchers throughout almost the entirety of Magic, some as early as Alpha. In 1998, you had Alaborn Zealot holding a shotgun and Alaborn Musketeer holding, I presume, a musket.
Another interesting point: guns were invented probably over a thousand years before sunglasses. There were sunglasses in Alpha. So they were able to invent cannons, rocket launchers, grenades, and sunglasses, but the sticking point for people is regular old guns? I just don't get why people have their panties in a twist over only that specific weaponry.
As for vehicles, maybe not motorcycles, specifically, but we've have the actual vehicle type for over 6 years now. More importantly, lore-wise, the possibility of engine-based locomotion has been in the Magic universe at least since Antiquities with Dragon Engine, a card with engine in the name and what looks to be a steam-powered-engine driven machine in the artwork, same for Triskelion. (And that's assuming the Alpha Juggernaut ISN'T powered by some kind of engine, but it seems like it would need to be to get the momentum to smash a hole in a mountainside...) And not for nothing, but Alpha also had hot air balloons and pirate ships that no one has ever complained about. What I'm saying is I see no consistency to what the problem people have is. It's not a timeline thing because there's plenty of stuff that was invented both before and after the things people are complaining about, and there are plenty of elements of those things that show up in other forms no one ever complained about. Honestly, it seems like people just trying to justify their dislike of something they dislike for non-MtG-lore-related reasons (like financial reasons).
@@thechestrockfield You have your counterexample here. I'm a Free to Play arena player who likes watching content creators and reading up on the lore for fun. I dislike extended universes for what are at least lore-adjacent reasons.
First off, I just dislike some of the extended universe base material.
Second, I worry about what including extended universes says about the future production of lore. See forgotten realms; I actually like and play D&D, but it'd be nice to have new original settings.
Third, I've made lore-specific comments above, about including earth and color-coordination
I do think some people just dislike the base material and are unwilling or unable to articulate their objections, and so go after it in more general terms.
About Guns... you should actually go look it up. Its fascinating. The Alaborn cards are famous because they are exceptions. Other fire-arms are all on goblin cards drawn rather comically, and tend towards artillery and away from hand held guns. Or are on Pirates from Ixalan. But I did misspeak: guns have not been normalized, new Cappenna does not have them. Fun fact.
Lol. Seth the therapist. Shame he didnt do the same for bolas n ugin
They say arenas draw is rigged. Then it mana screws ya over and over even though theres 25 lands. Thus is the life of a magic player
Im so sick of invoke despair 😩 😅
What a truly delicious, insufferable list. I've never been so excited to see so many strategies smashed into one pile.
"60% of the Meta is Sheoldred decks"
Just in case anybody is wondering why I don't play standard anymore, and probably wont ever again.
meeeeeeeshra
What can I say? Just guys being dudes.
First ❤
It baffles me how literally noone is actively speaking up against the arena shuffler. 9/10 games feel rigged either for you or for the opponent. And this has been here since the beginning. Cant we have a non rigged random shuffler game mode ?
It should "feel" rigged. Fair random chance feels unfair. Most adults who play card games will have heard about human perception of randomness. We seek patterns obsessively, that's what we are good at. This makes us trash at detecting randomness, the absence of patterns. Your brain finds prophecies in tea leaves and animals in clouds. You tell yourself this "obvious pattern" of exceptionally unlucky opening hands must have an explanation, random events couldn't have an obvious pattern! But nope, it was fair random. To "feel" fair the shuffler would need to be cheating for you.
Meow
I'm sorry everyone, I was the 70th like