Why Audioquest does not make AC Regenerators
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I just added a P12 to my system. It to rid of a buzz and hum in my system than the Audioquest 1200 could not. It also made a dramatic difference in sound. Bass improvement was rather startling, sound was more open and holographic. Taking out the P12 resulted in duller, flatter sound. Even the wife heard it. It's taking my voltage from the wall which is showing 128 and what is coming out is proper 120V. For me, the Niagara 1200 is not even close to the PP in function, design or well, anything. The one thing I do not like about the 12 are the fans. They were noisy as all get out on mine and clicked. So instead of just returning it, I exchanged it for a P20. I knew what the p12 did for my voltage, my sound and protection. The 20 gives all of this and more, without running out of steam. Also, no fans on the P20 so its silent. There are so many out there who say they would never run their system without a PS Audio PP, and I can now join the list. I could care less about the measurements. I measure with my ears and not only did this solve my hum and buzz issue with a tube piece (proving it is doing what it is supposed to), it does all PS Audio says it does when it comes to sound, at least for me. If you have dodgy power like me (and we live remote, 30 min from the closest store or gas station) this will improve your overall system. If your power is great, then most likely not needed. These are system dependent just like any piece off audio gear. It's why PS Audio offers a 30 day trial. No risk at all. It's not snake oil if you can try it in your home for 30 days and get a full refund if you do not feel it delivers. It's not like these are sold at a Carnival side show ; )
Garth is a super smart guy and thankfully his comments on regenerators don't apply to PS Audio's. The one comment about current clipping and the enormous amount of peak current required by power amps is totally correct and one of the reasons we never recommend people use the type of regenerator that clips (mostly Class D based regenerators). These can (and do) make things much worse when driving power amplifiers or any products with a power factor of 0.7 or below. PS Audio regenerators are capable of supplying 70, 80 amps of instantaneous current for peaks so even the biggest power amplifiers never ruffle its feathers.
Paul, (assuming that is you writing) if I may be so bold and suggest, perhaps you and Garth could do a video together explaining under what circumstances an Audioquest conditioner makes sense and under what circumstances a PS Audio regenerator makes sense, and perhaps when neither is justified?
does ps audio's regenerators work on ungrounded outlets?
audioquest filters do not so.
@@sudd3660 Yes, absolutely they do.
@@thomass.9167 Perhaps, though Garthj and Audioquest are on a different mission than we are and it's unlikely I would have much to contribute because of my belief in Regenerators that are properly designed. As I had mentioned, Garth is correct in that most regenerators are of a type that don't do well with high current and people would be better served staying straight into the wall than use them. A PS Audio regenerator, on the other hand, is a horse of a different color and I wouldn't want to get in a pissing match with Garth over it. :)
@@Paulmcgowanpsaudio he called you a fraud.
Perhaps we should put this guy and Paul McGowan of PS Audio into one room and let them figure all this out?
Paul is probably going to drop the AudioQuest line from the PS Audio because of this guy.🤨
Yes, would be interesting.
These are boxing matches that will never happen.
Definitely. Would love to see Garth and Paul discuss this topic. Paul?? Set this up.
@@Paulmcgowanpsaudio Definitely need to see this Paul. Get this set up with Garth.
I’m using Ps audio generator, believe me once you acquired in your system, you won’t to take it away , the improvements is astonishing
Love seeing more frequent content!
PS Audio has the regenerator figured out completely.
I have tried both Niagara and PS Audio regenerators and find them to be very system dependent. I only buy from dealers that allow returns so that I can return the one that adds no audible benefit for my various systems.
I have a PS Audio P5 powering, Simaudio Moon 680d DAC, Simaudio 700i Integrated Amp driving Dynaudio Contour 60 speakers. I can tell you the resulting Sound is incredible. Prior to adding the P5, the sound was great, after it was a whole new level of clarity, dynamic, organic, and smooth. I cant speak to the AudioQuest stuff but the P5 is as important to my system than all the other parts.
Also, it took time to burn in each of the components. So, listening cold to anything new added to your system is not a good thing......I got frustrated too until my friend told me to be patient and let it burn in.
The other thing we all need to consider as consumers are the source of the information......is there a bias. The best source I always find are coming from users of equipment on a daily basis. Its just a matter of taste.
Well from my personal experience I would choose PS Audio. I have tried Niagara before, indeed it did nothing wrong. Yet I gained nothing by adding it to my system either. Then what is the point of me spending that much of money on a product that does nothing? Don't get me wrong I am not a huge fan of PS Audio power conditioner as well. But it makes me feel like I have achieved something by purchasing this product.
I love my PS Audio regenerator 🎵🎶🎵
Learn from my current setting, I only know that the ps audio regenerator protected my devices from voltage fluctuations and maintenance stable voltage (voltage drop below 205v in dat time are quite frequent in my part of world) all the times. For this regard, I cannot find any solution from isolation transformer or any kind of passive protection mechanisms. I am considering to install stromtank for my network player, DAC and pre-amp, keeping the power plant for power amp solely.
Hi there (checking in from Denmark). I'm not an technician (at all), but from my understanding, some manufactories of amps doesen't think it's the right approach to run their amps trough any regenerators, like the French Company Lavardin, who believes it would destroy the overall performance of their amps. I own the top of the line combo (pre/Mono), and tried many many solutions for "clean power", but everytime i try to implement any kind of upgraded power cables, or even a regenerator (PS Audio), but noticed overtime that, without these upgrades the amps sounds way better and much more natural to me. Lavardin has a patent circuit (memory free distortion), which they believe will be effected negative, but you can upgrade their stock cables, with their own upgraded power cable, and yes i know it sounds like a smart selling trick, but when you first have heard what they do, in terms of any other power cable out there, no matter price, you are soon convinced. These Frenchmen can seems a bit odd in their approach, but in the end....the performance speaks for itself. I of course use all their upgraded cables (front 2 end), and when a company delivers that, made specific for their products, you can begin experience what real synergy effect is, and not the usually promises from various companys. This in fact works perfectly, and in my 35+ years with this hobby, i'm astonishing over what such a small company is cable of. Today they stand out, as some of the best solid state amps out there, in terms of musicality and pure musical enjoyment. They are not in the marcet to deliver all kinds of gadgets, or huge series of amps and speakers (yes, they do also deliver speakers for their amps, but under another brand, so the confusion isn't there, and the brand is: le Contoure). To be big in this game is not for them, and they don't even advertise, as they believe that much in their products. I think that says it all. But hey.....i'm not into getting your guys/girls on my team, because as always.....you have to listen for yourself. But if u get the chance to listen to a Lavardin amp, i'm sure you will remember that experience for life. Maybe it's not for you, but no one can claim that these amps are not musical. I stay away from AC Regenerators for my system, but i do own a Gigawatt PF-2 Power filter/distribution block, which makes me sleep at night, as i'm protected BIG Time by this filter, in terms of thunder/lightning, and other unpleasant things. It also makes sure that your all good in terms of polarity, so you get the most out of your system. Could be great if someone here could highlight why some amps doesen't benefit at all from regenerated power, like my Lavardin amps? There must be other brands out there, who experience the same? I will rest here, and put on a record. Cheers from Denmark
I've been using multiple models of the PS Audio PowerPlants for over a decade now. I also use shielded power cables that drain the shield to wall ground. The combination (easily demonstrated) results in a black background with no discernible noise. Less noticeable but still demonstrable is the power buffering the regenerator provides. They are quite expensive, but I am very happy with the results in every system (SS stereo, tube stereo, home theater, big amp, small amp) I have used them on.
They don't make them because they might actually have to put something in those empty boxes they call Niagaras
The intro got messed up on this video and the last one.
Ok, this was a loooong elevator pitch against AC Regenerators. Do i trust that guy in this pitch? Not for a second. Do i think that AC Regenerators are better. I dont know. I have Audioquest products (i.e. Rocket 44) in my equipment. But i compared them with other brands products. For me they had the best price/performance. So again, listen to your ears and make up your mind. And please, Audio Exellence Canada, do not make a cliffhangar out of this and make a test of these 2 techniques/products, and let us be part of it. Because otherwise, this was just marketing!
It's never not marketing from AQ.
Funny. I returned a Furman elite-20 that didn't solve my ground hum issue despite marketing claims of isolation. My noise floor actually increased. It was designed by Garth. I do currently own a Stellar PowerPlant 3. It eliminated all hum and has absolutely had a positive effect on all equipment plugged into it.
This video comes off as disingenuous. The tech you say I should avoid solved my issues and what you are pushing did nothing of merit.
As for power conditioners that have provided positive benefits for me(of the many I had to learn a lesson on,) it's only Richard Gray's Power Company. Not cheap by any means, but an absolute positive over other products I have tried in my quest to correct my noisy electric(it is the 400pro II, still own it and use it.)
Everyone is ALWAYS trying to sell you something.
If you don't want PS Audio's solution, then invest in the Accuphase PS-1200 if you need regeneration.
no grounded outlets in my room, so audioquest power products would not work here.
Since I saw - and heard - one being demoed in the 1998 Las Vegas CES, I've always perceive power regenerators as a rather inelegant engineering solution to a problem it intends to solve. 🤔
Pros: they look cool. Cons: In a true double-blind compare of a system plugged into such a unit or into a wall, a majority of listeners will be unable to consistently identify when the unit is in use or not, let alone ascribe any degree of sonic “betterness” in a majority of trials. And, in the unfathomable event that a listener can consistently tell a difference and prefer the sound with a regenerator in use, any attempt to justify a value to the improvement of $5k or more (the price of a PS audio unit for example) is doomed to failure and ridicule. This is the hard, but true fact, as evidenced by the fact that NO ONE is willing to conduct such tests. Such testing is an existential threat to those who make, sell, or claim to hear any benefits. Don’t yell at me or insult me, just prove me wrong. The placebo effect is real. Confirmation bias exists.
For me Audioquest lost a lot of credibility with their dubious Thunderbird Zero Speaker Cable.
PS Audio's reputation is diminished due to their association with Audioquest.
Odd that a business partner to ps audio would shit all over their product line like that. Ps and audioquest are supposed to be cooperative, this is not good
So my posting revealing the truth about the people in this industry was deleted. Small wonder.
I challenge yo to refute any of the comments I made in the postings you deleted. I didn't get to be the Chief Electrical Engineer of Bell Labs by not knowing what I was talking about.
So if I understand you correctly you're saying PS Audio Power Regenerators are no good and Paul McGowan is selling snake oil through Audio Excellence. BTW a well regulated power supply with a large bank of capacitors can store enough energy and has a low enough output impedance to deliver hundreds of amps in bursts power Regrnerators or not. I'm an electrical engineer. Have you ever heard of and used Thevenin's theorem to perform calculations? How about short circuit current capability we use to select circuit breakers for the line and load side of transformers? How about time current curves of thermomagnetic molded case circuit breakers? If not then you're no electrical engineer in my book and if you have a degree I can make a case for a refund of hour tuition. BTW in my book McGowan isn't an electrical engineer either even though he calls himself one. I don't think either of you could get through the first chapter of an electrical engineering textbook.
go make other vidios and it is timbre enyot your pension old man
all snake oil to lubricate the golem of placebo.....
Anyone who parts with money for an AC regenerator should be locked in a padded room
My audio room is padded
Amir is proving these so called experts are full of bs
Amir is a S Head
TRANSLATED IN ENGLISH = HE NO LIKEY AC REGENS….and to that I say, hogwash
Be careful of this guy. He's very good at bullshit.
Wow this guy just basically said ps audio regenerators are a waste of money 😂
No, he didn't. First, he doesn't mention P.S. Audio and second, the company explains why their product is exempt from his argument.
which they are
So much snake oil with these "power conditioners". I dare someone to post test results from these to a level any human can detect.
So much bullshit. See the latest videos from AudioScienceReview. Both Audioquests "filter" and PS Audios P12. The graphs are similar going into and coming out of the units...