Wilson Audio's Sizable and Substantial Subsonic Subwoofer: First Impressions
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- Hear Adrian's first impressions on how his new massive Wilson Audio Subsonic Subwoofers match with his Wilson Audio XVX's
UNBOXING The Wilson Audio Subsonic Subwoofer: Huge? HUGE? or HUUUUGE?
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Edited by: mike@audioexcellence.ca - Zábava
I don’t really get people’s problem with this? Yes we think a rel 6 or 8 pack would have done the same if not better. But also we don’t know? People are just upset at the price when it’s part of a lineup that has $300k speakers in it. I can’t say if it’s worth it or not, and neither can you. Just let people enjoy there stuff if they can afford it. Great video
Great video, some reviewers would stubbornly argue that a pair of 6.5 inch woofers in a bookshelf speaker is all you need! Nothing outside of Excellent, well set up subwoofers will get what you are describing. It becomes obvious who has, and who hasn't experienced Excellent subwoofers when I here people say "you don't need a subwoofer"!
Well said
So true, for me a good system starts with the subwoofer system… to each their own.
I'm glad you got the microphone level where we can hear you for a change.
Great
I really love hearing you talk about music because you are so enthusiastic. And I like the longer videos, as music and stereo reproduction is my passion. Keep up the great work !!! My system plays at least flat or more from 11 Hz to 40,000 Hz. The extended range is one of the best things that takes a system closer to recreating the "being there experience" instead of listening to a playback system. Congratulations!!!
Thanks!
Each acoustic wave, if met by a reflected wave, will either be strengthened or extinguished, depending on the phase in which they meet, and this depends on its length, i.e. for e.g. 50 Hz it will be 344/50 = 6.8 m (the entire period ). So they will interact freely with each other. I have a 42 cm (18 inch) bass speaker and it creates a wave that goes towards you and penetrates you precisely because the speaker is directed towards me. If you have an amplifier that has several hundred watts and it properly controls the speakers, the direction is physically felt by your body. It's not about whether you determine by hearing how it reaches you, but about the physical interference of the room. This is simply the physics of wave interference
I recently had the chance to listen to the ESD Acoustics SuperDragon system, which included an impressive and high-quality subwoofer setup, made up of six ESD-subwoofers per channel.
This was my first experience with such powerful and controlled bass playback, and I felt truly engaged with the music for the first time. The "air" you mentioned was there, matching your experience with the subsonics. I was blown away by the impact of the subwoofers on the already high-end hi-fi setup.
Wow. Hopefully I get to hear this one day
Thanks Mark for these 2 videos. Love your enthusiasm for music; valuing it over whether it's recorded digitally or in the analogue domain. Also you obviously have a great classical collection; how do you catalog it so that you can easily store and retrieve a particular version of the same piece? By artist; by composer, by piece, by etc...Might I suggest that you and/or Michael Johnson create a video talking about your cataloging technique.
I can only imagine how great the system sounds. Enjoy it in good health! Thank you for your review.
Many thanks!
I have 2 REL S/510 for my much more humble sound system (Hegel 590, Dynaudio Confidence 30, Aqua LaScala DAC, Innuos Zenith Mk III) and once they are placed and tuned correctly, they sound just wonderful. The whole room is pressurized and it feels like the entire frequency range is enhanced. They can also be stacked 3 on each side (a little too extreme for me, but so are the Wilson's Subsonics). At times, I prefer a more subdued bass and I just bring the subwoofers' volume down a notch but when I listen to "bass heavy" music, they are fast, tight and kick ass. Audioexcellence sell JL Audio which have the advantage of easily adding the crossover CR-1.
2-Rel Carbon Specials
JLA cr-1 active crossover
Shunyata Python xlr's 😊
Visceral was the word you were looking for. These subs are on another level, as they should be!
Yes. Thank you!
Room treatments are more important than the kit above a certain quite low level
Love your opinion Adrian no matter how long it takes you to spit it out.😂
lol. Thank you
Went on a trip over the weekend. Played Greta Van Fleet on the return trip
Can’t tell you how much I’d like to be able to recreate the sense and feeing of deep organ notes. St. Marks cathedral in Seattle as an example. Not blessed financially, but wow! Sure can appreciate it.
It'll never be the same as the real thing unfortunately. The logistics of recording a full organ in a huge cathedral faithfully precludes this, not to mention the listening room ad equipment shortfalls. However, I get such a thrill of hearing a good semblance of the original that it thrills me to the bone!
@@adrianlow2114 understood. I have a cd of a gentleman record by Mr Wilson in that Cathedral. I at least have the thrill of remembering.
@@adrianlow2114 this recording was only available from Mr. Welsh. Several of his recordings are available on the Wilson website.
@@savagefrieze4675 Yes I have the album. It's been a long time since I listened to it. Will have to dig it out!!!
Glad to have these videos back! One of my first subs was Paradigm PS-1000 v2. It made one sound, and ONLY one sound: Bpppppppp! But it did it LOUD! Good for movies, a disaster for music 🤣
And how’s that different from your set up now 😂
@@adrianlow2114 Well, for starters, I have TWO PS1000's now!
@@pswitzeny lol. Now you need a couple more!
@@adrianlow2114 It think the next step is to upgrade my Pioneer receiver and JBL speakers! ;)
@@pswitzeny lol
Have you tried any of the active bass traps to minimize room modes?
Never had too much bottom end 😮
So they are not self amplified?
Do you move them with the same amp used for the main speakers?
How does the crossover works? Does it also have a high pass filter for the main speakers?
I’m using a D’Agostino Momentum Stereo amp to drive the subs. The speakers are run full range. They do not go through the Active Crossover
@@adrianlow2114 hmm, you should highpass them. You will most likely get better results. Inside the highpass crossover is just a simple capacitor or two and it will not degrade the sound. There are already a bunch of capacitors in the crossover… one or two more will not matter.
Nice video. A true state of the art system needs subs… no exception. Seems like an amazing system and I would love to hear it one day.
I did not catch it but where did you end up highpassing? I normally do 60hz regardless of how large the speaker is (small speakers might need higher).
For the common people, I would guess JBL SSW-1 (duel 15s) gets in the same performance range for $8000 each.
Rels match best 👌
2-Rel Carbon Specials
JLA cr-1 active crossover
I am running the main towers full range. The subs cross over at 45 Hz. For now
@@adrianlow2114 thanks, seems like a good place crossover.
The production quality if this video has improved quite a bit. 👍🏽
Thank you.
Mike from Audio Excellence here. Thank you. Becuase our schedule is tight we shoot these videos at a moments notice when theres a short lull in the work day. Sometimes the quality is great and sometimes its so so. we try :)
Bello/Magnifico.🎂✡️✡️✡️✡️✡️✡️
I know what your talking about... I was listening to a band at a county fair in Texas , and you could feel the base off your chest, it was amazing.
Yes. That’s right!!
Did they play BOTH kinds of music?
Country AND western?
LOL.
I would love to hear my beloved Cowboy Junkies Trinity Sessions CD on this system. Also, the CJ 2-CD set called "200 more miles" was also recorded live at different bar/club venues and I'd wager that some of the drums on these cuts would be stellar on a system like this. Too bad I don't have the space or income to have a system like this but it still would be cool to sit down for a couple of hours and experience it
Mike from Audio Excellence here: That deep, powerful, underlying hum of the city is palpable, unlike i've ever heard it!
$87k for a sub... way to go WA!! 💪
Switching the watches up I see, Adrian! 😂 again, kind of hard to make out to me, I want to say it’s Jaeger, based on what I made out on the deployant buckle shape. 😆 let’s hope I am right 🤞
Back up guess: Cartier
Cartier Tank Americaine.
@@adrianlow2114 I couldn’t quite see the crystal on the crown well enough, but the curved case made me lean Cartier a bit ;)
@@woody168 You must be a serious watch guy! I couldn't possibly know from the same views!
@@adrianlow2114 nah, not serious. Just an enthusiast, that happen to enjoy watch spotting! 😊
@@woody168 Look forward to your future guesses!
Honda Civic - Rice Rice Baby :) (before anyone gets upset, ask Adrian if he finds it funny, I know he does)
lol I DO!!!
Anemic 20.7s two years
2-Rel Carbon Specials 😊
JLA cr-1 active crossover
Shunyata Python xlr's
Is the left sub pointing right at the turntable?!?!?
Yes 😢.
So what happened to your client who wanted a much richer mid bass. Did you solve his issue?
Yes. Upgraded to D’Agostino Relentless amps
People complaining about spending too much on audio should look into where our tax dollars go in the defense sector
Just what the world and this economy need right now..........a $40,000 sub-woofer.
I know. And frankly it does bother me. That’s why I didn’t do it for a long time. But the results are truly stunning
bro this is a hifi channel… go check the news for politics or economy
In a room, if the speakers are not placed at the right angle, a standing wave will be created, which will mute some frequencies. It is best to direct the sound wave at a specific angle to extend its meeting with the reflected wave. You can use something that will direct it sideways in its path
Not sure where you got that idea from? Assuming you are talking about low frequencies, these are omnidirectional. The wave lengths are so long that pointing the low frequency driver in different directions does very little because the waves wrap around the transducer that creates them.
That's not correct at all. "Pointing" a subwoofer would accomplish nothing (and what about downfiring drivers?).
Placement!
Placement!!
Placement!!!
2x 3-pack REL Reference arrays would have taken you farther with change to buy a good new car too.especially if you consider the cost of the additional amps. But of course you are not a REL dealer..
Besides your unsubstantiated claim....a car? Where you getting your REL deals? A No.31 is $9500CAD and the No.32 is $13500CAD
x6 of them would be right in line with what the Subsonic costs.
How can you make such a claim?
@@AmbientClassicalPiano subsonics cost 82K USD without the crossover (5.5K USD) so 87.5K USD in total = 118K CAD. WITHOUT the amps needed to drive them since they are passive.. The 6x No 32 will be 81K CAD and I'm pretty sure that room could do well with 'just' the 6x31s (57K CAD). So I’m probably right and you are way off with your calculations. Ask our host how much one would pay for proper amps to drive the Wilsons. Plus the claim is not unsubstantiated. Have you ever listened to such a REL array? They can fill a ballroom from top to bottom with good musical bass. Is the overpriced Wilson thingy individually tuneable per driver?
@@kevinwest1607 If you knew you would make it too
Rel is down 6db at 20hz…
JL Audio Gotham pair …
He is a JL dealer too
JL is dead to me. Everything sub I have owned from them needed sent back for repair more than once…
That side angle and lens combo is giving off weird druggie vibes, but that's none of my business. Would be better if Adrian was smoking a cigarette and leaning in to tell a secret or joke when using that side close shot.
Thin walls, especially thin flexible walls are better for bass not worse. They act as bass traps.
Mike from Audio Excellence here: Unfortunately also true is a resonating wall can lead to unwanted colouration, leading to distortion and muddiness. It can also lead to standing waves as well as a loss of energy that can affect the dynamic range.
@@MikeFromAudioExcellence if it's 1/2" drywall the self damping properties will prevent excessive ringing. If it's drywall on typical wood studs with any insulation behind it, it will quite literally work as a bass trap. Not as efficient as a purpose made diaphragmatic bass trap but still a bass trap. You will typically get as much as 30% bass absorption from typical interior drywall room barriers. It won't lead to standing waves. It will reduce the effect of any standing wave. That's room acoustics 101. And the only energy it will "lose" is reflected energy. And that reflected energy will muddy and distort the bass. If the bass is inadequate in a room with well controlled bass reflections the problem is the speakers/subwoofer not the room.
@@scottwheeler2679 Acoustic 201 resonating materials affect how sound waves are reflected and absorbed. ie a resonating wall can absorb specific frequencies that match its resonant frequency, reducing reflections at those frequencies which contribute to the formation of standing waves and specific frequencies at which sound waves resonate within the room (modes). Resonating materials can either exacerbate or mitigate these modes. For example, a thin wall or window might vibrate in response to low-frequency sound wavess, interacting with the room's acoustics by adding or absorbing energy at certain frequencies
@@MikeFromAudioExcellence all materials resonate. With room acoustics the issue is absorption, reflection and self damping properties of the room boundaries. As I have already stated, drywall is highly self damping and even more so if there is fiberglass insulation behind it. It's not going to resonate much. OTOH the reflections in the bass region will resonate. So thin drywall wall, particularly attached to wood studs with insulation are great for reducing bass reverb and have no drawbacks in the bass region. If you are not getting enough bass the problem is either the speaker/subwoofer or you are not getting enough bass absorption from the thin walls. The real issue with thin walls is the transference of outside noise into the listening room. Not loss of bass.
Not crazy about the design.
So, your sub sonics cost 82000. Lord knows how much your main speakers cost, then there’s the amplification, cables and the rest of the electronics. Probably costing more than my house. Yet, you still contemplate the need for parametric equalisation!!!
😂
I know! That’s what happens when you get infected with this disease
Nope, DAC is the only DSP 😊
W4S 10th edition DAC2V2SE
This video is comical. So $80,000 for the subwoofers and it sounds fantastic? It freaking better! Did you really think it wasn't going to have that much of an impact?
It wasn’t whether there would be an impact. The concern was whether the overall results would be what I had expected
@@adrianlow2114 80k? 500lbs each? You weren't sure what to expect?
@@ryanschipp8513 Yes. Perhaps I'm simply being pedantic. I had hoped the results would be superb. I could not be sure due to the room issues.