Who was really the problem in Cleveland: OBJ or Baker? - Skip & Shannon I NFL I UNDISPUTED

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  • During Odell Beckham Jr.’s short stint with the Cleveland Browns, fans and media alike wondered if he was washed. Well, OBJ put those thoughts to bed as he was a major reason why the Los Angeles Rams won the Super Bowl. An article on cleveland.com went on to explain why OBJ was never the issue for the Browns, even writing quote: 'That’s not to lay all of the blame at Baker Mayfield’s feet, but he was part of the problem.' Skip Bayless and Shannon Sharpe debate whether OBJ proved that his struggles in Cleveland were all Baker's fault or not.
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    Who was really the problem in Cleveland: OBJ or Baker? - Skip & Shannon I NFL I UNDISPUTED
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  • @UndisputedOnFS1
    @UndisputedOnFS1  Před 2 lety +25

    Listen to Out of Character: sprtspod.fox/OOC

  • @deyfwdaniel6520
    @deyfwdaniel6520 Před 2 lety +1193

    Skip is right about baker. We've never seen anything like him, and I'm not sure we want to see anything like him again 😂😭😭

  • @leetraviusmckay2919
    @leetraviusmckay2919 Před 2 lety +936

    Thank you Shannon. The qb & receiver "duo" is whats great, not just one or the other. It isn't a coincidence that the two highest receiving yards seasons in nfl history by Calvin and now by Kupp both involved Matt Stafford as quarterback. A great passer makes a great receiver even better and vice versa.

    • @Wantitigetit
      @Wantitigetit Před 2 lety +34

      I always knew he would win if he left DET

    • @VisceralCarbon
      @VisceralCarbon Před 2 lety +5

      Stafford was on top heavy pass offenses , can’t compare the 2

    • @rondiggity1677
      @rondiggity1677 Před 2 lety +8

      It is coincidence if you're trying to argue Matt is elite.
      Only 6% of those polled thought Matt should be MVP.
      Outside of the stans, most of America knows he was the 3rd or 4th best player on his team.
      That said, he's an adequate game manager, and that's it.

    • @LazyMedic507
      @LazyMedic507 Před 2 lety +71

      @@rondiggity1677 "adequate game manager" and here is the guy that know nothing about football.

    • @13mrservon
      @13mrservon Před 2 lety +10

      Brady sinks that argument. With the exceptions of MOSS and GRONK, Brady had mediocre receivers that he MADE great. Welker, Amendola, Edelman and the list goes on of receivers that fell our the map after leaving Brady. It's not vice versa when it comes to Brady.

  • @zombie_turtle666
    @zombie_turtle666 Před 2 lety +223

    Can we just all agree that Obj was being utilized better on the rams than on the browns.

    • @floodinmon14
      @floodinmon14 Před 2 lety +9

      Oh most definitely

    • @brendacooper8436
      @brendacooper8436 Před 2 lety

      Yeah more wks remove from injury

    • @gameofstones6560
      @gameofstones6560 Před 2 lety +4

      That’s partially true but he was still only averaging 40 yards or so with the Rams, but obviously it’s way easier being the 3rd/4th option on the Rams yea

    • @thejinks-lx4qf
      @thejinks-lx4qf Před 2 lety

      @@gameofstones6560 it was a better situation with the rams

    • @eddiegeorge1878
      @eddiegeorge1878 Před 2 lety

      Yes diff in the sense that rams know he lost some steps and be sneaky #3 vs #1 in Cleveland truth is he rushed his rehab diff didn't recover all the way plus he was super rusty he shouldive eased him in to and he was in spotlite I dont blame Beckham it was just chinexed bad bad luck really like worse case scenario happened

  • @TheKmagz
    @TheKmagz Před 2 lety +479

    Can't imagine having to argue OBJ was the problem or he made a bad decision to go to LA. Productive playoffs and SB, SB ring. Brutal.

    • @Poopoopeepeeeman
      @Poopoopeepeeeman Před 2 lety +2

      Why are we putting them against each other OBJ played like 5 games lol

    • @mikeedwards7619
      @mikeedwards7619 Před 2 lety +26

      His dad saved his career

    • @jessedrinks2231
      @jessedrinks2231 Před 2 lety +7

      Right!! A player is never going to put themself in a terrible situation just to try to prove they are a "true #1" WR. They are going to put themself in the best position to win and produce to get that next contract. He can try to prove he's a "true #1" next year when his family's take care of. Again skip with a terrible take!

    • @Frost11511
      @Frost11511 Před 2 lety +1

      lol

    • @tjbaby0
      @tjbaby0 Před 2 lety +5

      Odell quit on the Browns. Should have caught the last pass that Baker ever throw him. Odell quit on the Giants. Odell is now a super bowl winner, but he's still a quitter in my book as well.

  • @luisg.m.garcia6972
    @luisg.m.garcia6972 Před 2 lety +209

    Greatest feats in the history of sports according to skip:
    1. Baker Mayfields 11 game stretch
    2. Ben Simmons game vs Utah

  • @devinsdope2379
    @devinsdope2379 Před 2 lety +207

    “There’s gonna be another mayfield in his front yard…the moving company” man Shannon is gold lol

  • @stephenjohnson5419
    @stephenjohnson5419 Před 2 lety +335

    This man really argued that Odell should've gone to a clearly worse team just cuz he's from there. Skip STAY smoking that hater pack 🤣🤣🤣

    • @truestdude
      @truestdude Před 2 lety +9

      He be cloud 9 high man I'm telling u

    • @abdulsmith1569
      @abdulsmith1569 Před 2 lety +9

      SKIP BE SMOKING THAT 🚬 GOOD GOOD

    • @BlkFreakozoid
      @BlkFreakozoid Před 2 lety +23

      Skip trying to set that man up to be miserable and fail so he could criticize him for an obvious wrong decision.

    • @lbdlars4484
      @lbdlars4484 Před 2 lety +4

      Lmao! Hater pack!

    • @sinikal3169
      @sinikal3169 Před 2 lety +7

      Skip be sippin' on that Haterade

  • @dontariomoore99
    @dontariomoore99 Před 2 lety +43

    Skip’s condemning OBJ for going to a better situation but calling for Baker to do the same thing. Contradiction as its best

  • @RobMaddenMadeIt
    @RobMaddenMadeIt Před 2 lety +152

    “Tell me when it’s my turn” is another one of Skip’s signals that lets us know he’s getting cooked and has no comeback 😂😂

    • @1D4ever
      @1D4ever Před 2 lety +15

      It's him grabbing the rope yelling stop hitting me with facts

    • @RobMaddenMadeIt
      @RobMaddenMadeIt Před 2 lety +3

      @@1D4ever agreed!! Lol

    • @steelhere5017
      @steelhere5017 Před 2 lety +2

      The hmmm afterwards too

    • @RobMaddenMadeIt
      @RobMaddenMadeIt Před 2 lety

      @@steelhere5017 fact 😂😂😂

    • @mado3623
      @mado3623 Před rokem

      @Invincxble he really thinks because he knows a lot about football history that makes him more credible then someone who played the sport at a high level I get headaches when skip does that it's so darn annoying but then when minister Sharpe cooks him its Hilarious

  • @tyronemorgan8451
    @tyronemorgan8451 Před 2 lety +83

    Skip wants Baker in a "better" situation.
    Cleveland has a Pro Bowl RG, a Pro Bowl offensive line(all 4 positions,) a top 5 defense, and Landry, Njoku, Hopper, and Peoples-Jones catching.
    Sounds to me like the Browns need a better QB.

    • @tyronegooch5251
      @tyronegooch5251 Před 2 lety +4

      They are a solid QB from doing what Cinci did. They are the team on the cusp to me.Gotta get the QB position fixed.

    • @tywanharrison1225
      @tywanharrison1225 Před 2 lety +11

      Don’t forget Chubb and Kareem hunt 🔥🔥

    • @tyronemorgan8451
      @tyronemorgan8451 Před 2 lety +1

      @@tywanharrison1225 Right, I said RG, I meant RB(Chubb)

  • @LaTrey_95
    @LaTrey_95 Před 2 lety +94

    Skip hangs on to those 11 games so much, you'd think it would warrant a 30 for 30 special for it 😂😂

    • @rcl970
      @rcl970 Před 2 lety +8

      yea, and during those 11 games, Cleveland played a lot of garbage defenses. Despite the garbage defenses He averaged 235 yards passing per game during that period. He didnt have to throw much, because cleveland ran the ball so well

    • @cjfrm3658
      @cjfrm3658 Před 2 lety +2

      @@rcl970 11 good games out 60 please Since he entered the league has 1 in interceptions And Jamesis Wintston playing too

    • @tigerscott5929
      @tigerscott5929 Před 2 lety +4

      Even with that stretch to Baker’s overall record, he’s still under .500 for his career 😂😂

    • @cjfrm3658
      @cjfrm3658 Před 2 lety +2

      @@tigerscott5929 I know take that away he's way under 500 he Has career 87.9 passer rating below average that's with the 11 good games

    • @thetrussell7385
      @thetrussell7385 Před 2 lety +1

      @@tigerscott5929 he's been in the league for 4 years. What are you talking about.
      2 years of garbage. 3rd year they made the playoffs. 4th year this year NFL record setting number of players and coaches out and they went 8-9.
      If you didn't expect him to be below .500, you don't watch football.

  • @spoogtastic
    @spoogtastic Před 2 lety +161

    Shannon CRUSHED skip here. Especially when skip said Odell is out there hurt and shouldn't have any excuses, shay jumped all over it!! My man!

    • @truestdude
      @truestdude Před 2 lety +18

      He absolutely destroys Skip on a daily basis & I love it

    • @Briguy1027
      @Briguy1027 Před 2 lety +10

      @@truestdude Yeah, while it's all for entertainment, Shannon tends to be more right than Skip.

    • @truestdude
      @truestdude Před 2 lety +12

      @@Briguy1027 yep. Bc Shannon goes off of logic & Skip goes off of emotions. Notice the thing he tried 2 call out O'Dell for he tried 2 defend Baker over. I mean he didn't miss a beat
      So O'Dell is suppose 2 soak it up if HE'S HURT but Faker Mayfield is suppose 2 get a pass when HE'S playing wt an injury? Skip needs 2 kick rocks man

    • @evanb5388
      @evanb5388 Před 2 lety +9

      @@Briguy1027 Shannon will admit when he’s wrong. That’s the real difference. Skip looks like an absolute fool talking about Baker because he can’t admit he’s wrong.

    • @1D4ever
      @1D4ever Před 2 lety

      Took him to the woodshed

  • @patricklajeunesse2991
    @patricklajeunesse2991 Před 2 lety +49

    As a Giants fan I’m proud that Odell got that ring.

  • @airyoxus
    @airyoxus Před 2 lety +46

    The players Skip hates he wants them to do the impossible but got every excuse for his favorites

    • @runningwithcat6195
      @runningwithcat6195 Před 2 lety +4

      Skip praises Durant for playing alongside two of the best shooters of all time, Curry and Thompson.
      Skip demonizes Odell for playing alongside Cooper Kupp, the best WR in the league.
      Lol. This guy is ridiculously inconsistent.

  • @animelytical8354
    @animelytical8354 Před 2 lety +298

    Baker was the problem. They parted ways with a healthy OBJ. The injury thing is just a way to protect Baker now that OBJ is confirmed not to be the problem.

    • @leonarddoeman735
      @leonarddoeman735 Před 2 lety +9

      Yes, I was definitely wrong about OBJ. But I always thought Baker wasn't that dude. Skip lost me when said that Baker Josh Allen. OBJ can still be a number one guy.

    • @grandtheftaudio6386
      @grandtheftaudio6386 Před 2 lety +1

      @@leonarddoeman735 after Sunday and the 2nd ACL tear sadly he will never be a number 1 guy again. The rest of the sentiment in this chat thread I agree with.

    • @mattpassos5689
      @mattpassos5689 Před 2 lety +2

      @@grandtheftaudio6386 you don’t know that with modern medicine so time will tell that story not you

    • @danoneall4013
      @danoneall4013 Před 2 lety +3

      Blame the Cleveland coaching staff

    • @sonnydaze6071
      @sonnydaze6071 Před 2 lety +3

      Baker has always been the problem. And them dam stupid commercials are the worst. Just like his QB skills or lack there of. Baker wont last in the league. I believe that baker has other issues that will come to the forefront soon. I believe everyone knows what it is. They just don’t want to bring it up.

  • @js2003
    @js2003 Před 2 lety +328

    Odell could go over 200 receiving yards every game and Skip would still not give him credit 😂

    • @jovanblackwell9162
      @jovanblackwell9162 Před 2 lety +8

      Facts

    • @1JAM229
      @1JAM229 Před 2 lety +13

      He would just discredit him for every catch made in single-coverage, haha.

    • @SignalCorps1
      @SignalCorps1 Před 2 lety +23

      And Baker could throw 3 INTs a game and Skip would still make excuses for him

    • @jovanblackwell9162
      @jovanblackwell9162 Před 2 lety +11

      @@SignalCorps1 100% and it would be everybody else’s fault. O line didn’t give him 20sec to throw the ball, Wide receivers ran the wrong route, coach made a horrible play call.

    • @bidensucsbigdickskalmadrin6877
      @bidensucsbigdickskalmadrin6877 Před 2 lety

      obj nobody wanted him unless he was free ,next year he will make 1mil on a prove it deal with a losing team,unless he takes chump change from la to try to run it back.he is a bum

  • @sswildlifevideos
    @sswildlifevideos Před 2 lety +12

    Shannon returning Skip's mmmmm at 1:41 was gold 😂. Anyone else catch that?

    • @marcyfan
      @marcyfan Před 2 lety +1

      someone should tell skip that being wrong 80% of the time is one thing but saying "mmmmm" 20 times a segment isn't.

  • @sharifnasser7635
    @sharifnasser7635 Před 2 lety +59

    They dont win without odell that first td in the superbowl was big time stuff

    • @tannerarmstrong1496
      @tannerarmstrong1496 Před 2 lety

      If you gave them back Robert woods then maybe they break even in that situation.

    • @Moshood2011
      @Moshood2011 Před 2 lety +2

      @@tannerarmstrong1496 "Maybe"

  • @johnnybgood7442
    @johnnybgood7442 Před 2 lety +89

    The Steelers were definitely NOT flying high when they lost to CLE in the playoffs. They were on a 1-4 free fall and we're not as good as their record. Dude always twisting stories.

    • @judescott215
      @judescott215 Před 2 lety +9

      Basically all our LBs were injured and we didn't have our best corner in Joe Jaden. Plus the entire league had figured out the highschool level offense they put on the field

    • @marcuscarter-segers6144
      @marcuscarter-segers6144 Před 2 lety +1

      @@judescott215 add that to the fact we started out the game just giving away a TD. Multiple turnovers just wasn’t their best game played.

    • @jayj6912
      @jayj6912 Před 2 lety +1

      Yeah skip leaves out a lot of points that negate his argument, and whenever Shannon makes one he just says “mhmm”

  • @bigboi9155
    @bigboi9155 Před 2 lety +21

    Skip keep bringing up those drops OBJ had but ignores all Baker's bad plays LMAO

  • @zacgrasl4229
    @zacgrasl4229 Před 2 lety +33

    Okay seriously we already knew their stances on this
    I love how Skip can only use PAST SEASONS to defend his stance

  • @leetraviusmckay2919
    @leetraviusmckay2919 Před 2 lety +109

    Shannon: "there's going to be another Mayfield at his front door called the moving company if he doesn't get it together" 😂😂😂

    • @CMJShark
      @CMJShark Před 2 lety +4

      Shorty this took me out

    • @Pounce730
      @Pounce730 Před 2 lety +2

      🤣🤣🤣🤣

    • @DietPropharah
      @DietPropharah Před 2 lety +4

      Most older Baltimorians and Ravens fans don't speak of that name lol

    • @only1adonis
      @only1adonis Před 2 lety +1

      🛑JOKE FAIL *Mayflower* moving company. Not *Mayfield'*. And hilarious comprehension fail, by all of you (inexcusably, too many) who rushed to giggle like schoolgirls. Solid intent though, Shannon

    • @only1adonis
      @only1adonis Před 2 lety

      @@DietPropharahYou insult *Baltimoreans* & Ravens fans. Because it's *Mayflower* moving company. Not *Mayfield'*

  • @jalenwalker8790
    @jalenwalker8790 Před 2 lety +99

    The obsession that skip has with Odell is getting weird with the amount of segments about him.

    • @evanb5388
      @evanb5388 Před 2 lety +2

      He’s really talking about an 11 game stretch two years ago where he was the 4th best qb (according to PFF’s formula). Not 1st 2nd or 3rd. He’s completely lost it.

    • @bkb2333
      @bkb2333 Před 2 lety

      Um you must not watch da show that often. He has a bigger obsession hate whatever u want to call it with LeBron and Money Mayweather.

  • @GuySmithSmoke
    @GuySmithSmoke Před 2 lety +29

    It's become very clear that skip does not watch his previous takes for a very very obvious reason

  • @tjayd1225
    @tjayd1225 Před 2 lety +166

    Odell’s injuries & Baker not being the level of stafford was the problem. I don’t think it’s that deep

    • @animelytical8354
      @animelytical8354 Před 2 lety +28

      Injuries weren't the problem. Not when they got rid of him. That was all Baker

    • @buddamitchell4675
      @buddamitchell4675 Před 2 lety +5

      I agree they make it seem like they had beef Odell and baker are cool it just didn’t work

    • @Thebrownsound89
      @Thebrownsound89 Před 2 lety +8

      You guys realize baker was 50 percent from like the second game health wise right

    • @AkashPatel-mx6cq
      @AkashPatel-mx6cq Před 2 lety +8

      Baker threw Odell into some injuries

    • @manuelrodriguez9972
      @manuelrodriguez9972 Před 2 lety +7

      @@buddamitchell4675 Nothing works with Baker, sadly reality lol

  • @nnamdiede1180
    @nnamdiede1180 Před 2 lety +24

    I hate this so much about Skip, if someone fails to accomplish something he blames someone else if he likes the player. If he doesn’t like the player he blames them and says if they’re that guy, they should be able to win and accomplish anything.

    • @agrey832
      @agrey832 Před 2 lety

      🎯🎯🎯🎯

    • @aliboombaye312
      @aliboombaye312 Před 2 lety

      It's his form of collecting cheques, he's a vulture in designer suits, with an outdated parasitic mindset.

  • @handsomenerd6041
    @handsomenerd6041 Před 2 lety +5

    “Mayfield, the moving company!” 🤣🤣🤣🤣 awesome!

  • @david-bo2mo
    @david-bo2mo Před 2 lety +71

    Baker chose to play injured and so that makes his injury related issues a personal problem

    • @kenchirokenchiro7688
      @kenchirokenchiro7688 Před 2 lety +5

      baker played injured is just a fking selfish move and bullsht hurting the team!

  • @Invictus-Solaris
    @Invictus-Solaris Před 2 lety +22

    I’m pretty sure this season answers that question.

  • @ayokunleakachi9823
    @ayokunleakachi9823 Před 2 lety +7

    Skip "having a rough day" Bayless....😆
    Shannon getn at him today on every clip!

  • @leetraviusmckay2919
    @leetraviusmckay2919 Před 2 lety +94

    Skip: "is Jarvis Cooper Kupp?"
    Shannon: "Is Baker Mayfield Joe Burrow or Justin Herbert?"

    • @nosmoke6556
      @nosmoke6556 Před 2 lety +23

      Skip didn’t want to answer that question lol.

    • @zacharymcclain2281
      @zacharymcclain2281 Před 2 lety +3

      That don't make any sense tho🤣🤣🤦🤦 Wtf does Mayfield have to do with Burrow or Herbert? Skip was comparing Kupp and Jarvis because Odell played with them both🤦🤦

    • @nosmoke6556
      @nosmoke6556 Před 2 lety +23

      @@zacharymcclain2281 Nah in reality all he really was tryna do was make a case for his boy Baker. Odell didn’t need to play alongside a cooper kupp to show he still had juice in him. It’s just Baker didn’t kno what to do with a amazing receiving core that he had. And now he’s gettin exposed for what he is.

    • @jchuks23
      @jchuks23 Před 2 lety +3

      @@nosmoke6556 Jarvis Landry isn’t nearly as good as you think he is. You want him on your squad rn for 15mill?

    • @Liquid12322
      @Liquid12322 Před 2 lety +2

      @Joshua Chuks dude baker is the problem. Jarvis is good but their team is run oriented as well so his numbers won't be good either way

  • @Allen216.
    @Allen216. Před 2 lety +16

    Nobody in Cleveland is arguing for baker as strong as Skip lol!!!

  • @owenstafford978
    @owenstafford978 Před 2 lety +139

    there was a multitude of issues starting with the stefanski scheme being a WR killer mixed with bakers injury and poor play and beckham not being able to stay on the field for long periods of time

    • @MemphisVillain
      @MemphisVillain Před 2 lety +9

      That's funny because I don't remember the scheme being an issue when the coach had Diggs and Thielen in Minnesota

    • @aaronjackson9385
      @aaronjackson9385 Před 2 lety +17

      @@MemphisVillain Diggs had a breakout year after leaving Minnesota, that lends credence to being underutilized.

    • @ISAGRANKE53
      @ISAGRANKE53 Před 2 lety +2

      That system is similar to Kubiaks and Shannon didn't have an issue in it lol. Baker played poorly

    • @kermitthekingofall6636
      @kermitthekingofall6636 Před 2 lety +4

      @@ISAGRANKE53 for real like his competitiveness and personality but let’s all be honest he not good average at VERY BEST

    • @ISAGRANKE53
      @ISAGRANKE53 Před 2 lety +2

      @@kermitthekingofall6636 using the 11 game sample size is dumb. I can take 11 games from Matt Cassells career and he looked like an all-pro lol

  • @rodneyrainey2021
    @rodneyrainey2021 Před 2 lety +11

    Odell was on his way to be Super Bowl MVP before he got hurt

    • @MrJerks93
      @MrJerks93 Před 2 lety +1

      Him and Cupp would have feasted.

  • @mylesbankhead1384
    @mylesbankhead1384 Před 2 lety +21

    Wasn’t Jerry Rice a Pro Bowler as a Raider, at 40 years young? You can’t have one without the other. A lot of bad passes have been cleaned up by great catches.

    • @imdb2513
      @imdb2513 Před 2 lety

      Rich Gannon was a MVP QB lol

    • @mylesbankhead1384
      @mylesbankhead1384 Před 2 lety

      @@imdb2513 This I know. So you don’t think having two Hall of Fame wide receivers in Jerry Rice and Tim Brown had anything to do with that?

  • @1JAM229
    @1JAM229 Před 2 lety +22

    Don't do that, Skip. The Steelers started 11-0 in 2020 and finished 12-4. They were clearly on a downward spiral. You said Stafford got to play the reeling Cardinals in the Wildcard round this year. Say the same thing about Baker then. Baker did win a playoff game. Yeah, and then what happened? Skip is talking like the postseason is only one game. 😂
    Now you want Baker out of Cleveland to prove Shannon wrong. Nah, Skip. How about Baker stay in Cleveland after having surgery and prove he's "that guy" since your scapegoat OBJ is not there anymore? Only Skip will try to convince you that a Quarterback who just won the Super Bowl is *not* "that guy," and claim someone with only a Wildcard round victory *is* "that guy." xD

  • @larrylindgren9484
    @larrylindgren9484 Před 2 lety +9

    I lost it took Skip 6 minutes to bring up those 11 games. Never mind the 49 other games.

  • @leetraviusmckay2919
    @leetraviusmckay2919 Před 2 lety +56

    Skip won't bring up Baker not defending Odell when people were throwing dirt on Odell name but Odell was defending Baker horrible playing.

    • @allenmobley8444
      @allenmobley8444 Před 2 lety +3

      Stop following the National media the local media reported that they were really close friends Baker literally never said anything bad about Odell. Odell got jealous of how the National media was covering the Browns and they made it seem like OBJ was a problem (something that wasn’t reported locally). Odell got in his feelings and started actually sandbagging practices and was activity cutting routes and running wrong routes. Just because most people like Odell doesn’t mean that he’s right all the time.

    • @charlesamissah9089
      @charlesamissah9089 Před 2 lety +7

      @@allenmobley8444 did Odell tell you all that? Or did you go to the practices and watch him do all that. He obviously wasn’t the problem and he contributed to a championship team and got himself a ring. Baker couldn’t even get bro the ball

    • @joseindacut5653
      @joseindacut5653 Před 2 lety +3

      @@charlesamissah9089 source:trust me bro

  • @stutzbearcat5624
    @stutzbearcat5624 Před 2 lety +24

    P.S.
    Yet ONCE AGAIN Shannon Sharpe shows why he is - both - thee MOST KNOWLEDGEABLE and ENTERTAINING sports analyst ... PERIOD!

  • @bunaldiaries6418
    @bunaldiaries6418 Před 2 lety +28

    The fact that OBJ got the first score for the Rams, I believe if he wasn't injured, he'd be the undisputed SB MVP just because the momentum was on his side.

  • @danielponik5263
    @danielponik5263 Před 2 lety +65

    At this rate Skip Bayless actually loves Odell. Just won’t admit it.

    • @bidensucsbigdickskalmadrin6877
      @bidensucsbigdickskalmadrin6877 Před 2 lety

      odell can’t make thru a season, what glass body,maybe he can start kicking field goals for the lions

    • @BlkFreakozoid
      @BlkFreakozoid Před 2 lety +4

      @@bidensucsbigdickskalmadrin6877 That glass body got him a ring so he's good.

    • @soda8736
      @soda8736 Před 2 lety

      Probably .. like LeBron he wishes O'Dell was his father.

  • @c.l.smooth29
    @c.l.smooth29 Před 2 lety +37

    We the jury say that the defendant Baker Mayfield is " Guilty on all counts " especially imitating a NFL starting Quarterback.

  • @leetraviusmckay2919
    @leetraviusmckay2919 Před 2 lety +41

    This is who skip is he won't ever admit when he's wrong

    • @Niggalodeon323
      @Niggalodeon323 Před 2 lety +6

      exactly. he’s a woman 🤷🏽‍♂️

    • @arnabiarnab3037
      @arnabiarnab3037 Před 2 lety +11

      After Lebron came back from a 1-3 deficit against the greatest regular season team…and Skip gave him zero credit…that’s when I knew it’s all an act

    • @antoniohoward981
      @antoniohoward981 Před 2 lety

      @@Niggalodeon323 he is a high paid actor

    • @WayneDeshazer-qd7vt
      @WayneDeshazer-qd7vt Před 11 měsíci

      He makes me sick with never wanting to be wrong!!! Excuse after excuse!!

  • @Coreyy12
    @Coreyy12 Před 2 lety +3

    So when Odell had the groin/hernia injury, he was washed the rest of the year. But when Baker had the labrum, he gutted it out? Surprised Unc keeps it together with some of Skip’s takes

  • @GoatedAtNFS
    @GoatedAtNFS Před 2 lety +33

    I answered this in yesterday’s video. Baker didn’t know how to use OBJ. Championship winning roster this year and they suck

    • @devontricmoore
      @devontricmoore Před 2 lety +4

      That also goes on the coaching staff too.

    • @TheShapeshifter
      @TheShapeshifter Před 2 lety +3

      Injuries didn't help the Browns either this year

    • @DM-sc9rg
      @DM-sc9rg Před 2 lety

      @@TheShapeshifter yea it was injuries tbh browns will be a top team next year as long as baker stays healthy

    • @colonless7512
      @colonless7512 Před 2 lety

      The Browns are a cursed franchise just like the Lions. Usually guys leave and end up winning

  • @capitolmobrecords8720
    @capitolmobrecords8720 Před 2 lety +4

    “Weapons out the ying yang. “
    -Shannon Sharpe (legend)

  • @Issacandjacob
    @Issacandjacob Před 2 lety +11

    I already knew Skip had this segment lined up so he could trash Odel cause he was wrong about Baker.

  • @Nothereman9999
    @Nothereman9999 Před 2 lety +29

    OBJ got scapegoated due to Bakers tunnel vision. At the beginning Baker was trying to force bad throws at excess to Odell. When OBJ got injured Baker looked better because he couldn't force feed Beckham all the time. The issue is Baker didn't know how to integrate OBJ into the offense and things quickly fell apart because of it.
    The only difference is he's on a team and has a QB that knows how to utilize him properly.

    • @killerra
      @killerra Před 2 lety

      Baker is wildly inaccurate and inconsistent when throwing beyond 10 yards, that is the extent of the issue with integrating OBJ into the offense

  • @alandreyer2857
    @alandreyer2857 Před 2 lety +9

    In future if the subject is OBJ, Baker or Brady, I'm shutting this down when Shannon is done. Skip is so bias and arguements are unreal.

  • @kevtiz03
    @kevtiz03 Před 2 lety +7

    How can you argue that a receiver that just scored in and won the super bowl is the problem lol

  • @rashaudcarter1574
    @rashaudcarter1574 Před 2 lety +17

    Years ago i used to think that how heated these debates get knowing how Skip is, that they would beef. But Stephen A beat him to it. Skip may have a big ego but he aint Stephen A. Still the best show and still going strong💪🏽

  • @abbyemings
    @abbyemings Před 2 lety +4

    Shannon said he needed lasik 🤣🤣

  • @lancem3443
    @lancem3443 Před 2 lety +5

    Haven’t watched this yet but you already know Skip gonna mention those 11 games

  • @Trip.L.L.L
    @Trip.L.L.L Před 2 lety +5

    I love it when Shannon uses skips logic against him….it really shows how bias skip is

  • @thebroketube4658
    @thebroketube4658 Před 2 lety +90

    When there is video proof, of Odell on the browns being WIDE OPEN on many, many, many, many, too many to count plays.. and not even being LOOKED AT.. how do you still defend the QB? Baker has done nothing his career .. The man had Landry, Odell, Chubb as his offensive weapons at one point and people acting like he didn't have enough. He just isn't a good qb, he is an average QB, simple. Stop putting expectations on him.. he will never meet them and let you down. He is who he is, and when people accept that, then his image will turn around.

    • @kobrathadon4956
      @kobrathadon4956 Před 2 lety +2

      He took browns to playoffs without obj and objects dislike that

    • @Ali-Muscle
      @Ali-Muscle Před 2 lety +1

      🎯

    • @Frost11511
      @Frost11511 Před 2 lety +2

      lol

    • @thebroketube4658
      @thebroketube4658 Před 2 lety +2

      @@kobrathadon4956 You and Skip would be best friends.

    • @vinnyb4891
      @vinnyb4891 Před 2 lety +2

      Because lot of people dont go by the truth. Baker fans go off of feelings and emotions and an 11 game stretch 😭😭 Its already been proven that OBJ wasnt the issue but... its easier for folks to be delusional and lie to themselves

  • @marcell5735
    @marcell5735 Před 2 lety +4

    Skip talking like O'DELL made Baker force it to him like it wasn't his decision to throw it

  • @elchapojrkimgofthetrap2180

    Skip take on OBJ going to the saints is one of the funniest things he really keeps trying to push.

  • @barrysmythe6941
    @barrysmythe6941 Před 2 lety +4

    Boy you gotta love Skips resolve. He won't break character for nothing 🤣 even when he knows he's got nothing.

  • @leetraviusmckay2919
    @leetraviusmckay2919 Před 2 lety +74

    Yeah, it's Cleveland's fault they surrounded the guy with so much talent that skip has said on multiple occasions, "this is one of, if not the most complete rosters in all of football." But now it's an organizational problem.

    • @darnellwilliams8783
      @darnellwilliams8783 Před 2 lety +13

      LeeTravius McKay the media talked about Odell all year and called him a diva but it was really baker thought because all he does Is overthrow guys all day .I'm happy My boy Odell got his ring

    • @zacharymcclain2281
      @zacharymcclain2281 Před 2 lety +1

      @@darnellwilliams8783 That don't change the Fact Odell is a bigger Diva then every Female WWE wrestler🤣🤣 OBJ is still a crybaby little B!+ch

    • @tjrose9830
      @tjrose9830 Před 2 lety +6

      @@zacharymcclain2281 when did OBJ complain during his time in Cleveland?

    • @grabbingrain2238
      @grabbingrain2238 Před 2 lety +8

      @@tjrose9830 these are just haters same people who burned Lebron jerseys and said Kyrie did nothing even though he brought them their only championship

    • @mattpassos5689
      @mattpassos5689 Před 2 lety +2

      @@zacharymcclain2281 wasn’t crying after winning the super bowl 😂😂 keep huffing that copium

  • @hknx8153
    @hknx8153 Před 2 lety +26

    "In the 11 game streak after Odell got injured, I'm knocking on wood for him, Baker has been the best quarterback in all of professional football, you know it and I know it" - Skip, probably in this video when it's his turn

    • @christophershaffer3921
      @christophershaffer3921 Před 2 lety +1

      😂🤣🤣

    • @arantir4150
      @arantir4150 Před 2 lety +2

      "Also let's remember Odell took his receivers to party in Miami before a playoff game on the Frozen Tundra™ in Greenbay"

  • @gamerbrock3066
    @gamerbrock3066 Před 2 lety +16

    What kind of debate is this? Baker is underperformed and the minute OBJ got to LA heloooks like he did with Giants

  • @AncestralRage
    @AncestralRage Před 2 lety +3

    “I never liked shake and bake neither.” 🤣🤣🤣🤣

  • @samuelclark1677
    @samuelclark1677 Před 2 lety +2

    Skip is going to go into infinity and beyond bringing up those 11 games Baker played without Odell

  • @Levi_99
    @Levi_99 Před 2 lety +1

    Lmao that was getting heated there at the end 😂

  • @leetraviusmckay2919
    @leetraviusmckay2919 Před 2 lety +7

    This dude bases every argument on pro football focus lol until it tells him he's wrong

  • @Jpvmendesss
    @Jpvmendesss Před 2 lety +2

    “Who’s going to cleveland for a vacation”. Bet he thought of joakim noah after he said that 😂 thats one of the best interviews ever in the history of sports 😂 “whats fun about cleveland?”

  • @Shemzinho
    @Shemzinho Před 2 lety +11

    I’ll put it this way: a healthy Baker Mayfield would not have beaten the Bengals

    • @tomrwills
      @tomrwills Před 2 lety +2

      But he literally did the first game without OBJ

    • @teromeharris1378
      @teromeharris1378 Před 2 lety

      He has beaten the Bengles healthy and not healthy let's not ignore true facts. They never was on the same page that being said his bad season was due to injuries

  • @zanekreklewetz3381
    @zanekreklewetz3381 Před 2 lety +3

    Shannon absolutely cooks Skip on almost every nfl topic. Good lord. Skip might win the Brady ones but do you really get credit for backing the goat?

  • @swagchamp3366
    @swagchamp3366 Před 2 lety +5

    Love the show!!!

  • @ValSempai
    @ValSempai Před 2 lety +2

    "He stuck in a sad sick franchise that was chaotic" OHHHH BUT YOU WONT SAY THAT ABOUT MATTHEW IN DETROIT WTF?????

  • @jaylenbah1009
    @jaylenbah1009 Před 2 lety +2

    Skip stay bringing up that 8-3😂

  • @adammiller8597
    @adammiller8597 Před 2 lety +7

    Once again skip was wrong with baker 😆 🤣 😂

  • @W3althy_Burrito
    @W3althy_Burrito Před 2 lety +10

    So in skips mind its a qb driven league...until it comes to odell then its what did he do for the giants to win! Huh?! So what about randy moss what about TO, megatron, tony G? 0 superbowls combined but aren't they all time greats?

  • @glenntaylor370
    @glenntaylor370 Před 2 lety +1

    When skip says mmmhhh! It just grinds my gears! When he does so, he's usually about to say something foolish!

  • @MrSplash33
    @MrSplash33 Před 2 lety

    I’ve Been Waiting For This Debate💯

  • @deshaungregory1069
    @deshaungregory1069 Před 2 lety +15

    At this point Skip can’t ever win this debate. Odell and Stafford just proved him wrong and made it obviously clear what was wrong

    • @KevinDiazx11
      @KevinDiazx11 Před 2 lety

      Obj was the problem he didn’t wanted to be in Cleveland

    • @nickelsboiii2246
      @nickelsboiii2246 Před 2 lety

      @@KevinDiazx11 Good one. The "problem" just went on to win a superbowl while Quaker Mayfield sat on his couch making commercials. Hold that L up high buddy

    • @KevinDiazx11
      @KevinDiazx11 Před 2 lety

      @@nickelsboiii2246 don’t matter 😂😂😂🤷🏽‍♂️ obj was the problem over there bc he didn’t wanna be there that’s a fact

    • @nickelsboiii2246
      @nickelsboiii2246 Před 2 lety +1

      @@KevinDiazx11 Not a fact at all you goofy LMAOOOO you don't know jack about football I stg. My guy got a ring 🤷‍♂️🤷‍♂️ what about the browns? 🤔🤔😴

  • @jaymca730
    @jaymca730 Před 2 lety +3

    Skip is intent on selling us on Mayfield smh

  • @consistentinconsistency3867

    Love that subtle Joakim Noah reference at 04:59 by Shay

  • @xtrasharp08
    @xtrasharp08 Před 10 měsíci

    "Weapons out the Ying Yang" gets me every time cause thats all Skip heard 😂😂😂

  • @ugkmoni
    @ugkmoni Před 2 lety +3

    Skip is REALLY holding on too that "11 game strecth" literally EVERYTIME they debate about Baker he brings that up🤣🤣...give it a rest, he AINT that guy

    • @HA-se6hx
      @HA-se6hx Před 2 lety +1

      Same way he constantly brings up Ben Simmons ONE 42 point game in his career

    • @ugkmoni
      @ugkmoni Před 2 lety

      @@HA-se6hx 🤣🤣🤣EXXXACTLLLYY

  • @DK-BayBay
    @DK-BayBay Před 2 lety +3

    My exact argument is the same as Shannon and other Browns fans want to plant their flag with Baker. The guy we saw in 2018 is not the same guy today. He used to step up in pressure. 2019 broke him. They seem to think he had nothing around him and just draft and sign some wrs this year and everything will be okay. As if the organization didn't go out of their way to solidify the offensive line (3 all pros), multiple tes, 2 all pro caliber running backs, pro bowl caliber wrs. There are qbs in the league doing more with less talent. Wish Baker well, but this isn't some draft a wr plug and play fix. It would help but he needs mechanics and footwork, and film study. Too many variables to overcome.

  • @fredfredburger8764
    @fredfredburger8764 Před 2 lety

    1:41 That Hmm killed me 😂😂😂

  • @KeyonMoffitt101
    @KeyonMoffitt101 Před 2 lety +1

    Skip really said that Kupp better then Megatron 😂😂

  • @bronzeone1109
    @bronzeone1109 Před 2 lety +3

    Skip literally lies for a living...
    With those lying eyes, shout out to Tim leggler 😂😂😂

  • @TremendousTre
    @TremendousTre Před 2 lety +3

    Cleveland better leave O'Dell alone

  • @belindsbowstring6907
    @belindsbowstring6907 Před 2 lety

    Haha these debates are priceless 😂 it’s like me and my brother at the dinner table arguing about sports

  • @legocat0306
    @legocat0306 Před 2 lety +1

    Look at OBJs stats in 2019 under Freddie Kitchens (Pass first offense) and look at his stats in 2020 and 2021 with Kevin Stefanski (under a run first offense). Pretty stark difference. It wasn’t Bakers problem or Kevin’s. It was the change in style in the offense that caused OBJ to be completely underutilized and made him want to leave Cleveland to go to a pass first offense like the Rams (West Coast) so he can actually succeed. That’s why he was dropping passes and running different routes.

  • @kjee09
    @kjee09 Před 2 lety +3

    SS: 1
    SB: 0
    Based upon argument.

  • @minaaaaaaa1
    @minaaaaaaa1 Před 2 lety +3

    ONCE AGAIN SHANNON KILLS SKIP ON THESE OBJ DEBATES. SKIP IS JUST MAD BECAUSE ODELL IS PROSPERING WHILE BAKER IS A BUM AND IS SITTING AT HOME

  • @RuffRyder14
    @RuffRyder14 Před 2 lety +1

    He really said cooper kupp more productive than megatron after one season🤦🏽‍♂️🤦🏽‍♂️

  • @rasheedhawkins8963
    @rasheedhawkins8963 Před 2 lety +1

    Skip out here moving the goal post for Baker while Unc out here speaking facts and stats
    Skips ONLY argument is always PFF.

  • @iunnor
    @iunnor Před 2 lety +3

    What does Skip have against obj? 😂 i had questions about obj but he went out there and proved that he still is pretty good. It takes time to adjust to a new system especially mid season.

  • @brandyhalabi819
    @brandyhalabi819 Před 2 lety +4

    Shannon “The better the QB, the better the receiver” 👏🏽… I’m so happy for their whole organization, players and coaching staff, their fans and the city 🏈🏆❤️…. And Odell proved he still elite, and that god given talent is still there, happy that lead him to become a SB champion, jus like everyone else on the team💯….. To everyone everywhere, stay safe stay blessed 🙏🏽✨🙏🏽✝️

    • @Frost11511
      @Frost11511 Před 2 lety +1

      ahaha

    • @brandyhalabi819
      @brandyhalabi819 Před 2 lety

      @JoaoRager ahaha right back! You have great day sir 🙏🏽

    • @Frost11511
      @Frost11511 Před 2 lety +1

      @@brandyhalabi819 thank you! Have a good day too. Stay safe

    • @brandyhalabi819
      @brandyhalabi819 Před 2 lety +1

      @JoaoRager Thank you as well😊.. stay safe stay blessed, always 🙏🏽

  • @damionwashington1089
    @damionwashington1089 Před 2 lety +1

    The Megatron line at the end doe😬

  • @thegameainteasye
    @thegameainteasye Před 2 lety

    Love this show these 2 are s good pair perfect balance for the show 👌 keep it up 👏👍👍🍻

  • @adrianb4121
    @adrianb4121 Před 2 lety +3

    I know it's for TV/content, but Skip makes it hard to watch when he keeps trying to argue a proven losing point. It's like him saying the Nazis won WWII even though reality has obviously happened otherwise. Otherwise, usually he at least has some key points even with a sometimes bad perspective. When he hates/loves someone, he just makes the most unreasonable/unwatchable takes.

  • @paradisearcher9334
    @paradisearcher9334 Před 2 lety +3

    Fine, I'll grant the injury excuse but after this season, if he flops, I don't want more excuses. If he have an above average season, then I'm sorry and take back all the things I said

  • @diehardeaglesfansince1994

    I love how he says if Odell is the man he should be able to go to any team with any situation and win yet he's constantly using that excuse for Baker

  • @khayyam3000
    @khayyam3000 Před 2 lety +1

    Did Skip Bayless Say Kupp is more "Productive" than MEGATRON?!? HAHAHA HAHA