Bloodborne Cut Content - Gascoigne Friendly Encounter - Conversation Dialogue Restored
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So it turns out Father Gascoigne had some cut content that was 99% complete, all the files required are left unused on the Bloodborne disc and a simple file edit causes them to trigger again. I love this result because his voice is so cool haha. I hope you enjoy it too!
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Another one of those cases where I can't really imagine why they removed this. Did they not want to be too explicit about the nature of nightmares? Keep some mystery around "Are all the hunters in the same nightmare? Or are they all experiencing it differently?". Not sure, really. Either way, good to hear that awesome voice work one more time!
Probably because the change would feel too sudden for the character.. and they wanted the player to interact with Gascoigne (which we can, by summoning) but a non-interactive one.. more mad and bloodthirsty. Character, world and time-wise, it makes sense. At least, it feels a little more cohesive.
FROM probably changed their minds regarding giving the player a companion like this in combat as he's pretty strong and makes the early portion of the game feel less hostile and mysterious for the player. Also, I wouldn't be surprised if they couldn't figure out a good way to not have him potentially being brought to the Gascoigne boss arena either.
I assume the dicision to remove it was gameplay based, not story based. While it would have been neat to get to know Gascoigne more, this is the earliest part of the game. The part where you really have to learn the gameplay, especially parrying, to survive later. With Gascoigne constantly there, charging at every enemy in sight, you can't properly learn to fight by yourself. You can't learn enemy movments as well and it's much harder to learn parrying. You also propably couldn't go through the level at your own pace, since Gascoigne would engage enemies whenever he sees them.
I think from a gameplay perspective it was wise to remove this.
I guess he was cut so it would be more consistent with this having been a very, as he says "long night". The way I see it all of the "transforming" bosses (Gascoigne, Amelia, Orphan) are not events actually happening conveniently right when the hunter (player) arrives there, but a memory being relayed or something. So if he were to be just recently running around, it would kind of mess with that nearly frozen in time world theme.
It makes me wonder about other hunters though. Were they somehow remaining the only (somewhat) sane ordinary hunters, or are they too gathering from all other worlds like ourself, only not choose as the vessel for the Moon?
Whoop whoop! Awoo!
I love where you meet Gascoigne in the Alpha version as he's outside his home killing beasts so I like to think he's protecting his daughters but because he forgot his musical box, his descent into beasthood is more prevelant
That I totally buy him doing that.
U nailed it probably
He only had one daughter though, it’s speculated that the other girl who says she’s gascoigne’s daughter is from the house downstairs with all the women, she just wanted the dead girls brooch
@@DefecTec what??
Or how about he wandered and followed prey to far from his home. To far from the music box that plays by the window. He was never supposed to go to the graveyard
Father Gascoigne sprinting after you while speaking his lines and laughing is both hilarious and terrifying
Especially when he gets right inside the PCs personal space during the dialogue.
Friendly ol chap breaks into your house to have a friendly chat
With that voice he goes from "Father Gascoigne" to "Daddy Gascoigne".
Oh no
@@RedRust I agree, damn edgy teens.
Insight gained
FRENZY
Gascoigne has such a soothing voice, if he read me a bedtime story I'd drift right off to sleep lol
His daughters probably agree.
I demand an ASMR video with Father Gascoigne's voice
Except when he growls and grunts while fighting, which is when his voice is super cool as well
wrg
I heard the italian dub of his voice recently, and damn it was heavenly
They probably removed it because they wanted the player to be more isolated with no friends from this world, and removing assist from him to make it more difficult. It's a shame though. Honestly, it could have been cool for him to be an recurring character leading up to the finale, like a chill dude who helps you, you later get separated then he turns crazy and tries to kill you or you meet back up later on, and I'm sure they planned that but threw it out the window like I explained above.
But at the end they did give you the choice to help Eileen with her hunt. And Alfred too.
I'm surprised they didn't give dialogue for his summon stone on later versions. But saying that, many players would be checking for dialogue from later NPC summons.
With someone who doesnt have wifi, and can't invite friends. Bloodborne makes me really fucking lonely lol
They should have added him in ng1+
Well you can still summon Gascoigne before fighting cleric beast, so they could've still kept these lines in 😢
Umbasa.
Sinclair Lore that bit fucked me up and is confirmation enough for me that BB and DeS are in the same universe, regardless of it being cut. Even if it’s just my own head canon, I want to believe.
@@MStacy2021 After watching a bunch of stuff from Sinclair Lore and JSF I'm pretty convinced this was the original idea that got discarded, though why I don't know since it seems a nice tie-in which doesn't hurt Bloodborne in any way I can think of.
It would also make A LOT of sense since both are Playstation exclusives and Sony would have likely liked the idea of connecting them.
War Weasel Yeah, it’s clear that was the original intent, but it seems like that’s not the case in the current game, but I don’t care, it’s still what I want to be true lol
And things like the Tower of Latria heart and the Mensis brain, there are a good amount of clues and similarities.
"If it moves, you can be sure it's a beast.
"
That's the Bloodborne version of "If she breathes she's a thot".
So Djura deffending the beast is just like a white knight saying "All Women's are Quenn"?
YOOOO HAHAHA
@@anwpecirotan Djura is even dressed in ashen white garments!
Djura: All beast are queens!
Gascoigne: if she breathes she's a THOT!
XD
My mind has only just realised that Gassy boy here, keeps going with the hunt even though he's blind. Purely fighting using his hearing and smell... That's terrifying. Not gonna lie, he's the best boss in the game.
He's not fully blind. Beasthood deform your retina rendering you light sensitive and it's a clear sign you're falling. For a hunter, it's a death sentence. Falling means a one way trip to the church dungeon. Gascoigne wears those bandages both to shield his eyes from the light (you can see through gauze) and to hide how far his disease progressed
Cut content is always such a bittersweet thing... a peek into what wonderful things could have been.
Lars Thorsen to think about why they curated this specific piece of dialogue is even more intriguing however- as it’s not as though Miyazaki didn’t think to put this in. He decided against it. What level of genius he operates on is baffling to us nubs.
I just want to use the burial set in ds3 :(
The game is phenominal as it is but it's always fun to see what didn't make it and speculate on what could have been.
wrrr
@@itsnotbloodborne1237 Whatever Miyazaki decides is right, so It is What It is.
I really wish this was kept in the game. It gives a new side to Gascoigne and would have made the fight and the side quests with his daughters a bit deeper.
I think it also would make a nice portrayal of his descent into madness as his bloodlust takes over. Once the hunter you've fought with side by side, now another beast transformed by the blood.
I hate how the hunters just sit in one place waiting for you to show up and make short conversation. I wish you'd run into them fighting and had to help them or something. And not like once, like all the time. That would've been so much better.
Actually now that I think about it what would be cool is if you could encounter real players, but they're controlled by ai, just to make the world as alive as the game says it is.
It’d have made his fight more emotional too, as you’d have had build up to it
@@yoursexualizedgrandparents6929 negative dude that would destroy the atmosphere and mood that the game is known for. Although it is okay that some encounters should follow what you just suggested but not every etc
wait a minute, that first dialogue bit-
"let there be no doubt, if it moves, you can be sure it's a beast. And if it doesnt... Well, don't take any chances."
that sounds extremely familiar
Double checking now- Yes! it was used in one of the many Bloodborne trailers! I remember thinking it sounded fantastically ominous
Soulsborne NPCs just have to end their dialogue with a laughter, huh.
Ikr it's like just when you think they're at least somewhat sane they end their conversation off with a maniacal laughter.
I figured the laughing and his dialouge was meant to imply hes losing himself to the bloodlust
@@AlexiasPlaylist in general laughter in these games connects with loosing mind
@@nomattr absolutely, but remember they also say in the game its common for hunters to get sucked in their bloodlust from killing and consuming blood and gascoigne in his dialouge sounds VERY excited that hes going to kill alot
I know this is an old comment but i remember reading somewhere that the laughter could be something for non-native english speakers to be able to understand the intent of a character. If one laughs sinisterly, one can assume their evil. If one laughs whole heartedly like Solaire, they can assume hes good, and so on. I dont know if this is true but it makes a lot of sense to me.
I knew that Gasciogne isn't from Yharnam, but I didn't expected he has some simmilar things with Boletaria (5:25)
yes lol, im thinking we call him father bcs he probably were a cleric in boletaria or demon souls universe that got into the nightmare
Oh my god, this is so bad-ass. It puts into perspective how "on the brink of madness" he was right before your boss fight with him.
The entire time I was waiting for an april fools joke
same
I think it is. This isn't cut content....
@@V1C10US It's content that worked in the game at one point, and was removed from the final release. How does that not constitute "cut content"?
@@MMadous I think what he said was meant to be another April fools joke. Albeit one I wish was true...
3:00 when he says “beasts everywhere” gives me that same vibe from the cutscene before you fight him in the final game..
“Beasts all over the shop..”
Seriously man, chills.
I'd Like the idea of him as a companion, he sounds like a cool mentor dude...
A guy can only dream...
I should suppose you still have dreams? Well, next time you dream... give it some thought.
He technically really does serve as mentor being the true first boss. Teaching you how the rest of the game will treat you and having no choice but to adapt. Not to mention showing you what falling into bloodlust looks like
I thought I recognized his voice. Turns out he has the same voice actor as Laddersmith Gilligan.
Oh fuk
Alfred is Solaire
It's probably a glitch, but seeing Gascoigne fight with the axe transformed in one hand is pretty cool. It looks like a Dark Souls thing, but it also helps to match his height.
In his boss fight he uses the transformed axe with one hand, so it could be on purpose.
Oh, if that last line were to be canon, Gascoigne would be from Boletaria (aka Demon's Souls)
Excellent find Lance!
@@Rowan3733 Pretty dumb logic, but okay
I remember when this was discovered in the network test before release and people thought it would be a Demons Souls sequel.
@Sean Clark Marvelous Chester is pretty much a Bloodborne character.
It just hives me hope they may have had a quest line to bring father Gascoigne home
That uppercut and bullet to the face by Daddy Gascoigne at 1:19
Original Gascoigne reminds of the "Bro hunter" type of guy that we here in south, they are sorta awkward but usually cool guys that are some of the best friends you could have as long as you're into the same kinda stuff he is namely hunts, weapons and the sort.
I really wish that they'd kept this encounter in the main game, it would have been really cool to meet another beast hunter that isn't completely mad (Eileen, Maria Djura and Alfred don't count imo, Eileen's a Hunter of Hunters, focused on her blood brethren, Maria's friendly interactions were removed (as you well know), Djura's retired and swapped sides, and Alfred's a Vileblood Hunter). So yeah, a damn shame this was removed.
Also good work on uncovering this!
When we first enter the cemetery , his dialogue somewhat indicates that he knows us from somewhere.
Now I know why
Your curiosity solves the mystery....
Thank you Lance.
How?
Father Gascoigne is one of my favorite characters, and this just makes him even better.
For a guy who doesn't talk, he's awesome
*Miyazaki wants to know your location*
Thanks for the reintegration work.
It’s a bit heart wrenching to hear Gascoigne like this, given what happens to him and his family. Obviously deranged and bloodthirsty but still happy to see another hunter and willing to help, moments before he lost it. That’s something they could have kept in I think.
That one line puts BB in the Demon's Souls time-line like I've always felt it belongs. Saint Urbain would not be pleased.
\[T]/
Just wanna say I still really appreciate the work you’ve done and continue to do even with the game being older now I always watch these videos and it’s amazing to see the hidden insides thanks a lot man
Apparently you guys really appreciate being trolled by April fools jokes.
This games incredible. There are still secrets being discovered
@@V1C10US does he ever say its april joke?Is there something im missing?
I must agree, Gascoines VA makes him sound like a lovely, jolly maniac. Such a shame it got cut.
This would have been a really cool thing. Imagine other NPCs we meet had a similar plan from the devs, like Alfred or Eileen. As always, nice work Lance! Looking forward to your future work.
You very much can fight Eileen if you don't help her fight Henryk. She'll appear in the Grand Cathedral Hostile and blocking the lamp
@@blinkx1070 Yes, I know. I meant if they like followed you around and helped you.
Oof, so Father Gascoigne was already losing it when you meet him in this. That's so sad :( You can tell he's already succumbing to the bloodlust by the inflections in his voice and how he laughs about being in battle - classic part of a bloodknight trope right there. He's retaining his faculties just enough that he can tell the difference between friend and foe.
This is heartwarming. I knew since I heard these lines quite some time ago that Gascoigne was supposed to be the first friendly hunter you met, I am glad to see those old theories proven true. Well done putting this all back together.
Does anything special happen when you play the Music Box in front of (not summoned) Gascoigne? Does anything different happen if you bring Gascoigne to his home? Or is he set to despawn if you go into the Aqueduct?
Gascoigne would chuckle once under his breath. I remember Lance tested the music box back when he first rediscovered him in the beta build.
*Edit* I wonder the same about taking him to his home though.. I can't remember if his daughter was in the beta build or not.
If you play the music box in front of him during the boss fight he starts to cover his ears and stunned
I like how Gascoigne keeps swinging at stuff after its dead. You can tell hes losing it already.
I've startet Bloodborne 3 weeks ago. Gascoigne was very hard, but he told me how to play Bloodborne.
Its interesting to se that he was once supposed to assist you, it would made the fight even more intense.
Nice, dude happy hunting.
@@dheerajdhaliwal7148 Thanks, I've already beaten the game but I have to do the Chalice Dungeons. But they are tough from what I've seen.
Well, at least I managed to kill the Orphan of Kos. He was really hard but I think he's my favorite Boss from the DLC.
@@waveburner1254 nice man, haven't played the chalice dungeons myself. Kos was a great fight, I enjoyed beating Ludwig in the Dlc.
Hello, good Hunter.
I misread that as Bloodborne 3 you got me excited there for a second
Ohhh sweet game of kos, A bottomless curse, a bottomless sea, accepting all that there is and can be.
0:40 Ive been thinking for long time how cool it would be if you had multiple encounters through the game with hunters who do their job. Its amazing to see that that was even the plan. Its a shame that the idea was discarded.
Great to see this, Gascoigne is my favorite character in Bloodborne, but I can easily see why they cut this. His presence, as a helper, would completely upend that early game struggle for survival we have before getting our first Insight and access to leveling. Also, Soulsborne is a solo-style action game; seems kind of awkward. That, and what if he died before the appointed boss fight; killed either by you, or a beast? That, and is fall would seem rather sudden and it would take away from the punch. This whole thing would have been great to leave in if Gascoigne was a quest NPC like Albert, but not for a story.
Although it would have been nice if they let you talk to the Gascoigne you can summon -- they had the lines already.
Tbh they could have easily solved it by having him initiate the dialogue when you first summon him with the old hunter bell, with the other piece of dialogue playing when you defeat the cleric beast and or get him to leave via the silencing blank.
It's one of those rare cases where I think it was a mistake to cut it completely. Having it in really would have made his boss fight and subsequent beast transformation that much more impactful. It would show the player that even the oldest and most experienced Hunters are not safe from beasthood and have the potential to become a dangerous enemy at a moment's notice
I think it would've really fit Bloodborne's tone if he stayed like this for the beginning, and then we had to end up fighting an old friend.
This is canon. I don't care if we don't see it in the final version of the game, this is an essential part of the story that never should have been removed, at least as far as the interaction goes. This adds so much more to the encounter you have with him as a boss, to see him as an accomplished hunter, but hear from his quips that he's way too ready to slaughter, even saying that it might be best to kill someone even if you're not sure that they're a beast.
Even if they had to cut him helping in battle, he should have been interactable before righting him as a boss.
Thanks for being one of the CZcamsrs that still covers bloodborne. Love the hell outta this game
What would happen if you take Friendly Gascoigne to the Little Girl?
If you summon him in the final version, when you walk him to his house and talk to his daughter he does nothing... I was disappoint
I took his phantom and there was no reaction
He just straight up leaves in mine.
Carlos Amoros probably cause he’s a phantom
Phantom Gascoigne has no reaction if you bring him to his house, however he will do a little chuckle if you play the music box near him
I summoned him and really like his style and Axe Swinging, though he can't help to dead during cleric beast encounter.
Then when I met him again as a boss, I was in shock. He really lost his humanity during this hunting night.
I really, _really_ can't understand why this was cut, as well as the content with Maria and Simon. But still, thank you so much for this; your videos offer many fascinating insights into what could've been and I really enjoy them!
When i hear the word “umbasa” in any other souls game i get a shiver up my spine
It's beyond ridiculous how much stuff was not only cut, but how much of it is still restorable
Jan Kalný Normal for every game.
Shame we didn't fight Gascoigne during midnight. I think his arena looks far better lightining/atmosphere wise in the alpha, where it's dark.
Plus, I have no idea why they would cut this stuff. Just develop it a tiny bit further and it's good.
Papa Gascoigne is my favorite BB npc... thank you so much for uploading this!! :)
Glad to see you're still finding stuff in Bloodborne. It's my favorite Soulsborne game.
His laugh is legendary! “Ha ha haa!”
Gosh just think it's your first time playing a from software game you're having a difficult time getting past the burning werewolf and then gain a companion to help, you're having a great time, probably killed the cleric beast finally leveled up again but then your new friend runs off and the next time you meet it's kill or be killed
I love his voice and laugh! ❤
It is a crime we didnt got that. A progression through the cleric beast "door" and much later boss encounter vs gascoigne wouldve been too good for a single game, so they cut it.
I like how in Deracine, From has these two easter eggs of bloodborne that refer it as an unfinished tale. I do hope that they want to make a Bloodborne 2
The fact that he takes a while to stop beating the shit out of something after its dead fits his character and the state you find him in during the full game 😭😔
All enemies do that when they kill you. That's just how the A.I is designed
Really amazing work discovering this.
Yes i love the voice work for gascoigne, he really is one of the more dynamic characters in BB, reflecting the possible fate of our own hunter. We get so little of his character in game that this practically doubles his in game characterization. Thanks again, lance.
Such a wonderful game thanks for all the hard work showing us so many details that didn't make it in the end.... You are a source of insight indeed
That explains what that cut Gascoigne dialogue was for.
Gascoigne is a savvy savage in the cut content. A man you can go to the pub with and win a bar fight.
Started with DeS and BB is my favorite of the soulsborne. All the cool shit you find cements why I love the game so much, the creators loved it also. Keep it up I will never not click a soulsborne video from you.
This is so awesome!!!!
Father Gascoigne has always fascinated me. IF there will be a Bloodborne 2... I really hope the the game will be focused on characters as Gascoigne, Djura, Izzy and many more!
Not to mention the Powderkeg faction, the hunters that burned Old Yharnam, the ''hunters'' wearing the Graveyard set, the Tomb prospectors, what really happened tp the Mad Man in the chalice dungeon.
There are so many unknown ''chapters'' from Bloodborne that I want to know more about!
i hope there won't be a bloodborne 2, just like i wish there wasn't a dark souls 2
retreading the same ideas is boring
new bb content in 2019-20????
*the sweet content, it sings to me*
edit: AAAHHHH WHYD THEY CUT THIS. a cool concept wouldve been he was there to aid you from the very start (also like a free demo on 'coop' so new players at the time would get the hang of it), and then when you reach oedons tomb he becomes lost in the hunt and perceives you as possibly beastlike
Absolutely fascinating to watch! Thankyou for continuing to upload these Lance. Also excited for when you start to poke around Sekiro. Your work is such a joy to watch!
why didnt they keep this, it works for the narrative because we see him kindov insane, then crazy blood drunk later. we see the progression.
Even five years later, its amazing how much that is yet to be revealed.
I think the voice files were seen before, or some anyway, but I love seeing it in game and hearing it again.
Yes im sure i heard this already. Even the line with umbasa there was a way to hear for yourself on ps4 demo before game release.
Honestly I really wish they kept it, even if you had to kill him in the end. I like all these little nods to him losing his head too.The laughter at the end of every piece of dialogue, the fact that he keeps mentioning how the hunt feels different tonight and that he seems to be enjoying it a little too much, even the fact that his AI has him hitting the enemies a few more times after they're already dead (similar to how he's hacking away at already dead bodies in his boss fight cutscene). I get the feeling that the idea was for the Hunter to meet Gascoigne on the edge of his descent and then once you make it to the tomb he finally goes off the deep end and turns on you.
I'm coming to this five years late but - thanks for this hugely valuable upload, friend!
His laughter is everything to me
this content has inspired his story in the board game, wow i didnt knew o thought they come up with this just for variation on the board game, good job
this would make the encounter so much more impactful? like you meet these kids who are worried about their mom, find out your friend has turned into a beast, after using the music boss then it clicks hes the dad, you find the dead mom. now your only friend in this hell hole is dead and his kids are now orphaned. wouldve been interesting if you could send them to the ward. if you clear the beasts and lead them to the ward they get there safe or if you just tell them to go there you find out they died
At least you can summon him to help you fight the cleric beast, I really loved this character.
Man, I really wish they had left that in. It would've been great for us to develop a bond with him only for him to surprise us by being the first boss of the game, imagine how that twist would've impacted the game and the player's relationship with other npcs! Especially Gascoigne's daughters... damn, as if that wasn't a sad enough story line already. I can understand from a gameplay perspective why they might have omitted this as it could be exploited in the early game or be used as a crutch for rookie players who would be less likely to develop the skills needed to play the game effectively before being thrown into the deep end alone but I feel like the story and player experience would've been all the better for his inclusion as a friendly npc guide and helper until he turns.
I fucking love gascoigne we barely know shit about him but i love what we do know and his fight is great
Love ur work man...ur a God for Souls community.
We watch all of ur cut content from DS1 to DS3 including BB but a small request we have, plz dont ignore Bloodborne bcz it is the Crown of Souls gaming. Keep sekiro content as well but plz dont forget Bloodborne brother.
May the gods guide ur way.
wow seeing him being able to juggle the scourge beasts was pretty cool
I love how he laughs
This is actually kind of in the final game. In the area he was supposed to show up you can summon him as a friendly sprint but he has no duologue
Thanks for the video!
For any British bloodborne fans who also watched Tracey Beaker as a kid - that Gascgoine voice is Mike
Yes! Very Good Content! Gascoinge character is very interesting! Great Work.
What's fun is that those dialouge lines are in the bloodborne board game where you can fight alongside gascoigne in one of the campaigns
So Gascoigne would have been the Solaire of the game -- the helpful NPC who eventually loses his mind, forcing us to put him down. It's a bummer that they scrapped all of this. Thank you for all you do in digging up these gemstones, Lance.
WOW I wish this had been in the actual game! Incredible... Gascoigne is one of my favourites so this was a real treat.
There's so much cut content in Bloodborne that they could whole new game from it.
Gascoigne still swinging after the Troll is already dead.
Feels like he was a twist on Ostrava. Rather than watching him persist to the end we’d see him die (by our own hands) right at the start
Considering you can summon him in that area
it's a pity they didn't leave in the dialogue
Can’t tell you how happy I am to be learning things about my favorite game of all time in 2019, thanks to you Lance. Thank you!
I like to summon him and clear as much of central Yharnam as possible as a Hunter buddy-cop duo. Adds extra emotional weight to the eventual boss fight, even without this extra dialogue. Though it feels weird that you can take him to his daughter's window and neither of them acknowledge it.
Thanks for keeping us updated with your findings, Bloodborne is among my favourite games and i'll watch any extra content there is to offer
Happy Birthday-week Lance!
Thank you for all your hard work and for sharing it with the community. These sorts of videos give even more depth to an incredible game.
It's surprising they got as far as getting translated dialog before deciding to cut the content. I'd have thought that voice work would be near the end of development.
was the English done first or second? I see Japanese players play with the English voices so I dont even know if Japanese voices exist.
Imagine going out on your first hunt and a 7ft tall Irish wolfman starts seducing you with a soft voice before chopping beasts into sashimi with an axe like it's a guillotine.
Rad.
Hi Lance, I know this video is 2 years old but I just wanted to point out that they didnt completely remove the possibility to summon gascoigne. Get an insight before going into any of the two boss fights (gascoigne & cleric beast) and get yourself the old hunters bell. Then go to the location where you first meet gascoigne (the location you show in this video) and you will find a summon at this place. You can summon gascoigne to help in the cleric beast fight.
He is still in the game. In the plaza under certain circumstances at the beginning there is a pram lit up where you can summon him to help you with the cleric beast. He will fight with you from there up to the great bridge. It only happened once to me, but it was only a week ago and I didn't imagine it!
Father Gascoigne is my favourite Bloodborne character and I love his voice, design, theme and moveset. I always suspected there was more to him as he can be summoned for the Cleric Beast fight. Also if you look at his ripped models you can find a version of his beast form where he is holding the axe, meaning he was initially able to keep it for that phase. Just imagine that massive reach.