Pocket Hole Mistakes to Avoid / Woodworking Joinery
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- čas přidán 28. 05. 2024
- For many new woodworkers, pocket hole technology is an easy way to get started in woodworking and start off with some more simple projects, like footstools, small tables, outdoor furniture and even planter boxes, but when things don't always go as planned, it nice to have a quick pocket hole reference on some things to that can make your woodworking with pocket hole jigs like the Kreg pocket hole jig more consistent and successful
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Pocket Hole Mistakes to Avoid
0:00 - Intro
0:22 - How to set up the drill bit and depth gauge on Pocket Hole Jig
0:52 - Depth gauge on pocket hole jig
1:34 - Checking drill bit depth gauge
1:38 - Working bottom up with Pocket Holes
2:25 - Touch-up sharpening pocket hole drill bits with diamond plate
4:29 - Understanding the strength of pocket holes with different wood materials
5:37 - Using glue with end grain and pocket holes
6:11 - Pocket holes for outdoor projects
6:42 - Aligning joints with clamps
7:27 - Using an assembly jig for pocket hole projects
8:16 - Why sheet rock screws are bad for pocket hole use
11:22 - Demoing how heads snap or in oak with sheet rock screws
13:07 - Conclusion and Links to Pocket Hole Tips - Jak na to + styl
Not only are your videos extremely informative but your pleasant vibe is good energy.
Never really understood how any one can leave a thumbs down for a video that explains how to do things the proper way or on any informative video. Kudo's to you sir.
people who are usually insecure in some way feeling their knowledge is threatened. Also sometime people are desperate for a particular answer to an issue they're facing, they check out a video, the video doesn't showcase the issue they're facing (mainly because that's not the purpose for the video), they are pissed off, they thumbs down. It's so stupid but that's part of our psyche with utilizing CZcams.
👏👍👏👍👏👍👏!!!!!!!
Jealousy makes you nasty, maybe it's all it is...
Thumbs up!!! This man was a wealth of information..I am just a beginner in wood working and using a jig...I learned ALOT from this video...who the heck gave this guy a thumbs down? Probably because they're jealous of his intelligence..thank you sir for an informative video!! Two thumbs up!!!
Well, now they can't anymore...
came here for pocket holes and left with that and way more. The screw information was eye opening for me.
Dude yes I had no idea! No wonder I was having such a hard time
Same! This guy was amazingly helpful! Hopefully my desk will be perfect thanks to this guy! :D
Me too was amazing !
Yeah I’m not gonna use sheet rock screws for woodworking anymore
I never knew that there was that much difference in using drywall screws and ones for jigs...great and informative video..thank you sir!!
Colin, whatever aspect of woodworking you are instructing, I love your inviting, informal, learned style. Most experts are afraid to talk about mistakes they have made, but your humility makes you a world class teacher. You share successes and failures with equal enthusiasm and awesome solutions. Thank you for all you do!
The mistakes are how you actually learn
'Everything you ever wanted to know about pocket holes, but didn't know who to ask' Well done!
When you are sharpening drill bits (or just about anything) free hand, use a felt tip marker (Sharpie, Artline) to completely color the flat you are going to grind away. Then you will be able to see if you are actually holding the abrasive parralell to the surface rather than rounding it over - by wearing away the marker ink - repeat the inking as needed.
Good tip.
Thanks for the good tip.
Great idea! Thank you
Great tip.
@thisoldtony would be proud. :)
Thanks for the heads up. I just made the transition from 37 years of general constructio to finish work as my full time retirement hobby. Quality screws = quality finish work. 👍🇺🇸🇺🇸
Your drywall screw demonstration showing the head shearing off when you over tightened it reminds me of what we used to tell apprentice techs when showing them how to use a click type torque wrench. "First click, the bolt is tight, second click, the bolt is broke. Remember that!"
after solid comes off.that's nothing realy new
@@duczman76 ????
@@AutotechWoodworking it's a german saying that means don't pull the screw/bolt too tight or they're all loose again then.
just imagine, you screw all the whee bolts so tight, that with even more torque they all tear off and the tire falls off the hub.now it should make more sense.my english colloquial language is no longer up to date.i'm out of school for 25yrs 😅
Great information on what screws to use, AND why! One comment: in your pocket hole strength demonstration in various wood types I noted that the orientation of your test pieces was the opposite of what I have learned elsewhere, specifically, to get better grip and less tendency to break, your pocket and screw should not be on the inside of the joint pointing toward the outside corner of the piece. That reduces the support on the second piece significantly. The pocket should be on the outside of the piece allowing it to point INTO the second piece. (I hope that makes sense without a diagram…LOL.)
Not sure how I missed this when it was new. The strength demonstration of the pocket screw was impressive. I've popped the heads off of plenty of sheet rock screws but know better than to use the bugle heads in pocket screws. The technology and metallurgy of screws has come a long way in the last decade. Kudos!
Colin, thank you for bringing my dad’s memory forefront. He wore a watch exactly like yours and I haven’t seen it in such a long time. Made me smile.
I love it when I come across a CZcams video that is comprehensive, direct into the point, descriptive, and has excellent video close-ups
Great video and advice, however I was always taught to screw pockets from the outside in as there's more material past the tip of the screw - making it more secure with a stronger hold.
Bingo.
I really liked the demos for different types of wood and the way all the information was presented - without pretense and the way an uncle might teach you 'tricks of the trade." Thank you very much for this video.
Love the very end of the video explaining why drywall screws are for drywall and not for wood. People complaining how expensive pocket hole screws are. At least now they know why you get what you pay for. If you go through the effort to make pocket holes then it's cheaper to use the proper screws. Use drywall screws only if you enjoy removing a broken head screw from hardwood.
Keep up the nice videos Colin.
Thanks Colin, it's people like you that make the internet a better place.
Kind of makes you appreciate the extra cost of Kregg screws.
Which really is not very much if you buy them in larger counts.
Colin. I’m just contemplating purchasing a pocket hole jig here in England. Your video has been very helpful to me as I’ve never used one before. So thank you for taking your time ( as always)in a very instructional manner to ward off the pitfalls.
I truly do not understand how anyone can criticize the 720 jig. I have used the 320 for 10 yrs, i am a very low to medium skilled part time hobbyist. At first when i bought it i was skeptical about spending the $150 for this. Now i have built a few outdoor projects from Kreg website, this thing rocks. I just drilled 40 pocket holes in like 6 minutes , if that long. It would have taken me a hour to set up every hole to be drilled. The ease of the clamping, the setup, the on board storage. Dont hesitate to get this.
Best example I’ve heard for using pocket hole specific screws. Thanks.
A lot of useful information presented in a easy to understand way.
What about water based glues for outside projects? Example Gorrila. You need to dampen your joints before attaching to make it stronger. They apparently are recommended for outdoor use. I have a original Kreg handed down from my father. I’m 73 so you can imagine this thing is old. Use it a lot and have learnt things that will be helpful in future projects. Thanks
@@dennispalmer6007 The original Gorilla glue is a polyurethane. It is not water-based. It requires moisture to cure. Once cured it is water-proof. It is not recommended for gluing wood that will be continuously submerged in water . However, it works well for projects that get wet from time-to-time.
Well today I learned several new things with this great class and tremendous teacher at the CZcams school, very important information with great clarity and details, a resounding success.
Thank you for sharing. Saves me learning the hard way.
I watch this video a number of times every so often, just for a refresher.
The part of this video about screw types was particularly informative. Of course the rest of the video was very informative as usual.
Outstanding!!! I've been looking for a video about this very thing!! Thank You! Very informative and thorough.
The best video on pocket holes. Thank you so much!
I’ve never seen the explanation on the different types of screws before. This really made it simple and easily understandable. I can really use this. Thank you for the info!
just in this one video i saw 3 things i was doing wrong, or had wondered about, thx loads, keep up the good work
Wow! It’s good to have real evidence in my hand now. I really loved the tips and the final demo of strength was outstanding!
Great job!!! Always informative. Thanks Colin.
Thanks, great tips. Love the clamp jig.
Thank you for this video! I'm getting ready to use my Kreg jig for the first time, and sometimes you learn more by seeing what you DON'T want to do than by watching the how-to videos!
Amen..I'm buying my first kreg jig and just starting to get into furniture refurbishing and wood working...And I'm sixty and just found my passion...this video was amazing with all the information..thank you sir!!
Great presentation! So many years of experience condensed to a few short minutes. Thank you for sharing.
Hey Colin, your the man. Thanks for sharing.
This old video is an example of why you have so many subscribers. Lots of good, detailed information that we can all use. Well done, sir.
This is one the most informative videos ever! It answers so many questions. Thank you Colin! And great tips in the comments too!
Thanks heaps Colin, You are a inspiration . Another great Video.... Legend!
Wow, wonderful information. I love this. As a beginner, this gives me a lot of confidence when I am doing my joinery.
Been using pocket hole for years. Still managed to pick up a few tips. Thanks
Thanks for the great video and tips Colin! 👍😊
Thanks Colin your good intention to teach and your good nature comes through so clearly in this video. I am planning to build a speaker cabinet from old pine shelves and I now feel confident to proceed using this joining technique. Your tip on applying two layers of glue to end grain was gold.
One of the best tutorial videos I have seen, ever; regardless of the subject! Informative AND interesting! That is not an easy thing to accomplish.
Most I have found can be fun, but you'll need to go back and read the article/post/instructions on their site/blog to fully understand what is being demonstrated. Or... Dead, dull & boring (or sometimes you're left feeling a bit like you're attending a preschool class), but very informative. IF you can make it to the end of the video!
So thank you! I am for sure a fan & a new subscriber! I am looking forward to enjoying the rest of your videos!👍
Great tips! Thanks Colin!
Great video. The simple techniques in your 14 minute video can save hours of frustration for those new to pocket holes.
Well how informative was that, thank you for showing in detail and close up too. Great video 👍🏼👏🏼👏🏼🇬🇧🇬🇧🇬🇧
Colin: There was a lot of useful information here and I know you were showing the benefits of types of wood for pocket holes. but when making pocket joints though, drilling from inside to the outside leaves no strength in the joint where the screw is only anchored in the fragile edge of the wood rather than anchoring them in the meat of the board and often will protrude through. if used from the outside in there leaves a hole to be filled.
he is doing it wrong
that's why it is too weak
I thought so as well. Odd.
The only time I would go inside to outside is when you really don't want to see the screws like on a piece of furniture, otherwise your right.
@@mickpicker9089 And if you used glue it would be fine? I'm just getting into this and going to buy a jig soon.
@@AlexWard There are definitely times were glue is better. Glue is usually really good on projects that are indoors were you dont want screws visible and that wont expand and contract alot. But you can get a really strong joint with both screws and glue.
Omgosh. Thank-you for this video! I'm a woman, but we just bought a house and my hubby doesn't do tools lol so I am going to do all the wood working in the house. I'm so thankful for your video cuz I was gonna use dry wall screws for all my wood projects! I was so glad to see your clear examples of what happens when you use them. I've had those things happen to me and couldn't figure out why. Thanks so much. I'm gonna go buy some of those round head screws you were using.
Hi Colin, this is Martin Anaya from the San Francisco bay area, I'm a cabinet maker, and we use the pocket hole machine a lot, but we never got a demonstration of how to use other kind of screws, than the the ones that are sold for that, thank you for sharing your knowledge with the rest of us
Thanks for the info. I especially liked the tips on how different woods react to this technique. I appreciate these types of videos you do.
The trouble with his demonstration is that he had the screws going toward the end of the receiver piece, which is inherently weaker and to be avoided per Kreg's fundamentals. It would be a better demo if he had done the joinery properly.
Thank you Colin for the helpful tips. I am an amateur worker and often feel frustrated when things go wrong. Now I know I will be making fewer stuff ups, thanks to you. Your explanations are very clear and easy to follow which makes a big difference.
Always excellent tips, Colin!
Thanks Colin, great advice as always 👍
Good information! One thing about 'Kreg' screws, they have a special thread for hardwoods; it is beneficial to use them when working with hardwoods and pocket-hole jigs.
Thank you so much for all the videos! I'm mostly self-taught and just getting into wood working. Your information has helped a ton, thank you!!
A great and important lesson for weekend warriors like me. I had no idea about some critical issues that were explained here. Highly recommend this YT. Thank you to the presenter.
The education about the screws was something I am kicking myself for not thinking about! It just makes sense drywall screw would split the wood. Thanks for this info!
I really appreciate the time you take and the pace at which you explain your videos. I am a beginner/intermediate woodworker and find your videos extremely helpful. Thank you so much to contributing toward this craft.
Perfect timing Colin, thank you! I'm about to glue up my first large project involving a lot of pocket screws and in testing had already encountered one unforseen problem so I was quite nervous
Excellent tutorial with the screws and so informative thanks so much for the time to make the video and I also love the clamp jig.
Excellent Colin!
Wow, I don’t know why I never thought about why the piece pulls away from the thing you’re screwing into with screws that have threads the whole way up! Great explanation! Thanks!
When teaching "screw fastening" in my HS tech ed classes, I always asked kids to think of a screw head as the movable jaw on a vice and the base board as the other jaw. The piece between is being "clamped" between the screw head and the base board. The board between the screw head and base board must have a shank hole drilled that is the tight outside diameter of the screw threads. The screw should be able to slide through this board right up to the head before it is being fastened to the base board.Threads should never grip the board being clamped. It takes longer but this is the way I fasten deck boards and they never crack or push apart. In furniture or cabinetmaking I always drill a pilot hole, shank hole, then countersink or counterbore in the listed order.
Joe Russo pilot hole PLUS shank hole?
@@anyfoolknowthat YES ! Especially in hardwoods. 1. Drill the pilot hole through both boards to be fastened in their aligned position ( this drilled hole is a tight diameter to the screws inside thread diameter for good thread grip) 2. Drill the shank hole "only" through the board being secured ( you are enlarging the originally drilled pilot hole so the screw just tightly slips through to the head) 3. If you are going to make the screw head flush, align and drill a countersink into the shank hole on the board being secured. Or, you can choose to drill a counterbore of a specific diameter and the cut a plug and fill the counterbore hole. With this process, the boards are always pulled tight and not separated. Note: When I lay down deck boards, I usually only drill a shank hole in the top deck board to alleviate splitting. Special deck screws will cut the pilot in soft framing boards and the heads also have a cutting action that countersinks the head.
Joe Russo Sounds like you’re carrying 3 different drivers (?)
@@anyfoolknowthat You are correct. If I am doing cabinet work I am using drills outfitted with proper bits and a driver. This usually means 4 drills required. Three for drill and countersink and one with a screwdriver bit. In a decking install, 2 drills, one with a shank hole bit to drill through the decking board and then another fitted with the screwdriver bit to drive self tapping deck screws which usually don't require a pilot hole. Early in my teaching career, within the framework of my budget, I always added drills to my tool inventory. I did not want kids waiting around for a drill or wasting time constantly changing bits. You can do everything with one drill but your production time will be greatly increased.
Well, this earned my sub. Thanks!
Thanks for posting that well explain video!
I saw in another video at 4:55 that it's not strong when you put the pocket hole on that side because there isn't enough wood holding the screw. The screws should be driving towards the long side of the wood, not the end.
I’ve been working these for years and had no idea about half this stuff! Thank you, Sir, for your great videos. Also your one about making shaker cabinet doors and drawer fronts resulted in a practically new kitchen at my place!
Good information! I was especially impressed with the strength of the screws in the last segment when the head didn't break off. Thank you for the video!!
THANK YOU! THANK YOU! (needed this!)
Great video Collin! I just started using pocket scresws, even the larger ones for 2 x 4 construction. It takes a little more time but the results are much better. Have you done a video on your clamping frame? I'll be doing some kitchen cabinet doors theis fall and would like a clamping frame like you have. Thanks again!
you can also press the glue into the end grain with your finger and immediately add more glue for the glue up. You can actually feel the glue seep into the grain and see when it stops taking glue.
Very instructives details. Thank you Collin
Great demo Colin, thanks!
it's interesting how much the Kreg jig has changed. Mine is much more difficult to adjust, in fact, I'm not certain it can be adjusted like that. Fine threads work better on hardwoods, don't they? I really like your clamping jig
Never have I thought this much about screwing!.... except in college. Lol
thanks for these simple and well explained tips!!
Love the video. Very informative. Thank you!
And if I may add: most of the time, good quality pocket hole screws will be "Self Tapping" type, that does a better job, when screwing.
Came to add the same comment. An additional comment about drill selection: in oak you want to use a drill with a clutch, not an impact driver. Once the pan head of the pocket hole screw reaches the bottom of the whole the torque of an impact driver can cause the head of the screw to pop off.
Great video thank you. I’m new to using pocket holes, when I set the depth of the bit and guide I assume it’s for the thickness of the piece I am drilling as opposed to the piece it’s being joined to?
Wow thanks for the tips Colin, nice explanation.
This was one of the finer videos I've seen. Very informative and easy to understand. Thanks for the advice.
Also use the right screws for the wood you are using, course thread screws for soft wood and Fine thread for hard . Use a clutch drill not a impact driver.
Also the "official" pocket hole screws are self-tapping. This makes a big difference I think.
Never understood why Kreg did the extra step of having the screw self-tapping since you must pre-drill the pocket hole anyway. Maybe its because it allows you to use the screw for other applications than pocket holes?
Great tips, Colin! Thank you. Anyone who thumbs down a helpful video like this is really ill.
I made a 2" X 6" gate frame and used the large Kregg Pocket Hole jig with the pocket hole screws. Zero sagging after 2 years of heat and rain. I used Gorilla Heavy Duty construction adhesive to seal and glue it together. Its still going strong.
It absolutely does matter what type of clamp you use when drilling pocket holes, quick release clamps just plain suck, you can't hand tighten them enough to keep adequate pressure on the intersection of wood, and the joint will in some cases misalign , you need to use vise grip type clamps, or C clamps, trust me , I've been pocket joining for a long time.
This is very true, and I have had to learn the hard way.
COOL!!!
Thanks for the info. As a beginner it was very
helpful.
Excellent advice, thank you Colin
Great information for someone who is a novice at pocket hole joinery .
Usual cordless drills don't snap off heads of drywall screws as easily as impact screwdrivers do as you can effectively adjust maximum torque applied in the very end of screwing. Still, using drywall screws for pocket holes is not a good idea, of course.
Yeah, I can't say that I've ever snapped the head off drywall screws or tried to intentionally, but it's definitely happened with deck screws and tapcon concrete screws. Normally I drill a hole first, unless I'm actually anchoring drywall.
@@kahoycrafts I have broke many off when putting up drywall in my old house framed in fir.
I try to avoid using a drill and Phillips combination. Drill is heavy compared to an impact and Phillips screws slip out.
Drywall screws are incredibly hard and brittle. They're really not suitable for anything besides holding drywall to studs. Although we all use them when we shouldn't. They're as hard as they are so they can pierce metal studs.
Speaking of pocket hole mistakes, the most common and you did it too (like at 5:15) you screw it on the underside, wich is prettier but way weaker because there is not much wood left to hold the screw ! If you screw it on the top, the tip of the screw point inside the other piece of wood and not towards the edge cut. Way stronger. Try it !
Thank you! I really appreciated the information about screws as well as the clamping tricks.
Thanks for the tips,Colin
They don't recommend impact drivers for pocket holes. Drills with clutches are the best.
I like to use a corded drill to bore the holes and a cordless drill to drive screws.
They should slap a giant sticker on the jig-I was knocking my bit collar loose for a couple months before I put two and two together
I’ve noticed if I give it just one or two click sounds on the impact that it’s enough to get the joint tight
Which clutch setting is the best for pocket holes? Sorry, im new at this!!
will kinser I do 14 on my Porter Cable driver, which goes up to 23
For those demos, the screws should be angled away from the edge of the other piece. The way you had them, there is less material for the screw to hold on to.
I thought nobody had notice that! You are so right!
You are 100 % correct. Unless you are making a face frame that won't move once nailed in.
Yep.
Yep.
Agree 👍🏻
Great tutorial! Thank you.
Lots of learning!!! Thank you!
Ah great, now I have to add credit card diamond plates to my shopping list. I'd been wondering how to sharpen odd shape bits like those and forstner.
Where did you get the credit card type sharpener? Local or ship?
They make diamond files that might be more convenient to hold? Just have to get a fine enough one.
When you're demonstrating the joint strength @4:47, it looks like the main issue there is where you drilled the pocket holes, not the material you're using. If you had drilled the hole on the outside of the "short side", or the outside of the board with it's end grain laying on the face grain of the other board, I think the joint would be much stronger, regardless of material.
If I understand you correctly, by flipping the pocket holes to the outside of the workpiece, you would be angling the screws inward and away from the edge of the adjoining piece, giving it a little more material to keep from ripping out. It's a valid point and although that may occasionally be a viable option, the nature of using pocket holes is that you put them where they will not be seen. If that is on the inside of the workpiece, then it would be the way he demonstrated.
@@TM-dh2xb Yes, that's probably a more succinct way of describing what I meant. And yes, that is true, you probably would want to hide the pocket holes where possible. I was more speaking about his point regarding different wood types being appropriate for pocket holes. I'm a very beginning woodworker, so I'm not claiming expertise on anything, but I've made that exact joint with pocket holes in pine or scrap plywood for shop projects where I didn't care about the looks, and the joint is plenty strong if done the opposite way demonstrated in this video. I would say on something where looks are more important, perhaps choosing a different type of joint is the way to go rather than using pocket holes from inside out, even if you're working with a harder wood like oak. Otherwise thought the video was very good, and I learned several things from it.
great pocket hole jig videos. You're woodworking videos are always straight to the point with a lot of good info.
Excellent visual demonstration about different types of screw threads and heads. We can all read theory yet a visual is so much quicker and never forgotten.
1 more reason not to use drywall screws:
Phillips head
I used to think Allen heads were the worst. But it's definitely Phillips.
You must have never had to remove/use a flat head. Who ever invented then should be kicked it the balls.
@@justinwinkler450 you just have to use the right driver for slotted screws. A slotted screwdriver should fit on a screw like this i.imgur.com/T7GpxTs.jpg A slotted screwdriver that fits in the screw slot properly works pretty good. Unfortunately most screwdrivers in this world are garbage. Because I can't grind them all right. But whenever I need to I'll grind one for myself.