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How Is Someone Saved? (Mormons vs Christians)
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- čas přidán 12. 08. 2024
- You don't want to miss this excellent footage of a conversation between some young Mormons and Jeff Durbin and Zach Conover from Apologia Church. This is actual footage from our annual Mormon Temple outreach at the Mesa Temple's Easter Pageant. The conversation centers around the grace of God and salvation. Mormonism teaches that people are saved through a combination of grace, faith, and works. This is an antithetical message to the Gospel found in Scripture (Romans 1-5).
This is a powerful conversation. God has used these videos to lead many, many Mormons to saving faith in the true Christ. We humbly encourage you to Like and Share this video. These works as excellent "Gospel tracts".
This video is a part of a ten part series, check out the rest here: www.apologiastudios.com/mormon
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Hey guys, we are Latter-day Saints, not Mormons. I’m pretty sure you will continue to refer to us as Mormons because it serves your agenda, to give non-members the idea that we are not Christian, which we most certainly are. My suggestion to you is to go through the missionary lessons given by Latter-day Saint missionaries who know and teach the true Gospel. Jesus Christ only recognizes and approves the Church which He and our Heavenly Father have Restored back to the earth in the latter day, and that is The Church of Jesus Christ of Latter-days Saints.
I am Greek. I feel so blessed that i can read the New Testament in my language. Thank you Jeff.
I was a mormon and I never learned about grace. The first time I read Galatians I wanted to fall to my knees because God made me aware of my own depravity. I do really feel for these mormons - I used to say exactly the same things they said. 😢
Glory to God!
A M glad amen God opened your eyes to the truth only God can set many free from the bondage that Mormonism is about praise God.🙏🏻
Martin England The true gospel is extreme. Who would’ve thought we can do nothing but Christ can do it all
Never learned about grace? How many times did you take the sacrament?
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He is talking about the only grace that can save you.
we are saved by grace through faith not of ourselves it's a gift of God.
Jesus is the whole bridge
HEAVEN IS 4 REAL
I believe Clearly that he was a prophet too, a false prophet
HEAVEN IS 4 REAL
Don’t even dare compare Joseph Smith with Peter.
Joseph Smith is burning in hell for his false doctrine heresies and false prophecies
HEAVEN IS 4 REAL
Joseph Smith is burning in hell Just like everyone else that follows false doctrine.
There is no salvation in Mormonism.
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Oh yeah that’ll be the day when I see a Mormon cast out demons lol, Yeah I’d love to see that.
Don’t flatter yourself with so-called authority I don’t speak about men of God in a derogatory tone.
You’re in one of the most ridiculous cults on the planet and I thank God that my family came out of that cult into a real true living relationship with Jesus Christ.
You can keep your Jesus the brother of Satan and your plethora of gods and you trying to become a God yourself and you’ll find yourself in the same place Joseph Smith is, burning in hell.
oh and please do send a video of any Mormon ever casting out a devil, you don’t have the Holy Ghost, the authority, or the power to do so.
casting out devils can only be done by real ministers of God called and anointed by God so I think you know what you can do with that false priesthood authority.
HEAVEN IS 4 REAL
see there is that mormon spirit, its not of Gid, you guys have been sold a false bill if goods about christianity,its no surprise, your cult was birthed in lies and deception and you are a good mormon continuing to regurgitate the lies of your cult leaders.
one thing i relaized after speaking to mormons for years about the real God of christianity is that it was a very rare event when a mormon actually cared for the truth, you have no love for the truth, your heart does not belong to god, you are all hypocrites, professing one thing while secretly living another.
anyone that would follow the blatantly blasphemous ramblings of a known pedophile, theif, liar, and adulterer has an issue with their own heart.
You know nothing of christianity and to make such a pathetic statement about paying for a pastors car payment shows not only your arrogance, and ignorance of God’s only word, the bible, but it also shows your arrogance and ignorance about the finances of your mormon cult and how that money is used.
the spirit you function in is clearly mormon, God isn’t looking for arrogant hypocrites, He can’t use them.
you can keep faithful to your religion while true christians will continue to be faithful to the one true living God.
sorry to burst your bubble but you won’t attain to godhood, you will never be a God, there is one God and you will bow your knees before Him one day and know that He is the one true God, there were none before him neither shall there be any after Him.
None of your efforts or what you call good works will save you in that day. God knows your heart and you have clearly revealed where it’s at.
There is only ONE way to be saved from the judgment of your sin and that is through Jesus Christ alone. no works you do can make you right with God.
Thank you, Pastor Durbin
for the kind demeanour you have with the LDS
I was a TBM Mormon for 35 yrs. until the blinders came off through watching these videos and others like them . I was born again trying to prove Mormonism was the only true church but the Holy Spirit proved me dead wrong instead.
I was one who posted comments stating my testimony of the restored gospel and Joseph Smith.
I now spend most of my waking moments in the Bible and repenting for believing a lie.
Mormons are wonderful kind people, but have been fed a lie.
Pastor Durbin, I supported financially for my daughter to serve a mission at the Mesa, Arizona temple 10 years ago and you probably saw her. How I wish you had spoken to her. My biggest regret is teaching my children a false gospel
It tears me up inside.
Thank you for all you do, God Bless.
Dr. Lynn Wilder's, a tenured BYU professor, mother and father and their church prayed for 29 years for their whole family's salvation.
When their son Micah Wilder became a Christian while on his two year mission in Orlando, FL their whole world came crashing down.
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His two older brothers had already served their two year mission. His younger sister ended up marrying the other man Micah served his mission with, who also got saved.
Dr. Lynn Wilder wrote a book, 'Unveiling Grace.'
Micah started a ministry called, Adam's Road, and tours for two months each summer. www.adamsroadministry.com/calendar
They have free resources.
www.adamsroadministry.com/free-materials
Lynn Wilder's mother never lived to see her daughter's family conversion, but her prayers were answered. Be encouraged. Keep praying. Get others to pray.
www.intercessors.org/prayer-request
A broken and a contrite spirit God will not despise.
God bless you!
Faye Lewis yes, thank you. I've actually contacted her and had wonderful conversation...read her book.
Wow! That's really nice. My daughter met her and Micah and got me the book. My daughter had a LDS friend. Grace is so amazing!
As long as you never entered a temple you might have a chance if you did. You will not have forgiveness in this world nor in the world to come. Christ says it was better that you have not have known me. Since you do know Christ and have turned away. It doesn't matter what you believe...you have this life to go back to church ask for forgiveness repent and spend the last of your days reconciling to Christ for your salvation. May you get this message and start your journey back. Amen
Do you believe wonderful kind people
are fooled?
These people are wonderful and kind
because of their faith and their good works.
Not inspite of it.
Faith without works is a dead faith.
Jesus did good works.
The same is expected of us.
There are churches around that want a contribution from us. They don't encourage us to do good works for fear we'll take our money elsewhere.
They bang on about 'by grace alone'
as a ploy to get the contribution without
pressure on the contributer to do something in return for being saved.
People are happy to contribute so long as they can continue with a worldly lifestyle. They assume the passage of time will bring improvement in themselves. God did it for them.
This is the big lie they fall for.
If we are saved then we must live up to the saving by doing our fair share.
God helps those who help themselves.
And God helps those who help others.
This is about having an active faith.
Living in the way of the Lord.
This is why these people are
wonderful and kind.
This born again Christian guy
is a very smart deciever.
Hence the beard.
And the tattoos on his arms.
They seem like good kids. Praying that God opens their eyes.
we are not saved by works but we are saved to works. our righteousness is as result of salvation.
The more I listen to this channel the more I’m understanding how God works, I thought I believed and “tried” to be a good Christian, which in the end continually makes me fail, not because “God failed me” but because I never truly put my faith in him but falsely believed and I depended to much on my works rather than faith in Christ and living in grace and faith, God Bless You Apologia, and thank you!!!
Great video! I’ve been talking to a Mormon friend of mine at school. Trying to show him the error in their beliefs. These videos help! Not winning the argument, but the person. God bless you guys!
John 5 [19] Verily, verily, I say unto you, The Son can do nothing of himself, but *what he seeth the Father do: for what things soever he doeth, these also doeth the Son likewise*
The Son is following the path of the Father, and both are sinless from eternity
The answer == neither God the Father nor Jesus sinned according to the Prophet Joseph Smith. The false idea that God sinned is an antiMormon myth.
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Kevin Marriott:
Since you mentioned repentance, may ask you this......If you were to die right now, do you have the assurance that all of your sins are forgiven?
tim spangler:
Yes, I can understand how you would state "I DO!" in regards to my question to Keven Marriott.
I asked another Mormon on a different thread the same question, cody bunker, and he responded back to me with the following: "nope. I hope for that and I'm trying to do my best to improve that. But nope"
Given what Mormons MUST do in order to be given the miracle of forgiveness, which is to stop sinning altogether, it's no wonder Mormons can never know, this side of eternity, if all of their sins have been forgiven.
This is why the Mormon Gospel should be renamed to "The Impossible Gospel." It is not a Gospel of peace whatsoever. Very sad indeed that individuals have bought into a system like that.
Wondering Christian what the fuck is wrong with you
faith comes by hearing and believing the word of God
I've been talking with Mormon missionaries lately and I feel this video will help me tremendously with witnessing to them. Thank you pastor Jeff and praise God for this
I have a buddy who is Mormon. I pray that he comes to know Jesus.
After leaving the Mormon Church, Grace was the first thing I was taught every church I visited and It was so hard for me to accept and believing that I am worthy of such grace cause I was taught for 9 years that I have to work for grace for it to be granted 😢
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ME TOO. Exact same experience.
Mormons believe you run the race as best you can, get to the end, fall short of the finish line and Christ puts out his hand and pulls you through to the finish line of salvation.
If you want His Grace then you HAVE to do His good works and meet Him somewhere
Christians believe Christ gives you the blessing of life to even run the race in the first place. So with gratitude we run as hard as we can and run the best “race” we can in his name and at the end we know, “wow that person was really running for Jesus” but in reality we can never do enough or anything for that matter to equate the value that is his allowing us to be alive to race in the first place.
Christ’s Grace alone allows us to be saved. We GET to do his good works as a result.
Amen brother!
good works are produced because we're saved, not to be saved.
This is a grossly superficial understanding of grace, Mormonism, and Christianity. The gospel of Jesus Christ has been replaced with sound bites.
@@robertrosskopf4641 your pride is showing. What you just wrote was a cheap soundbite. Lol . It was meaningless and proved nothing.
@@cc-mk2hp This is opinion central. You won't find any proof here. Anything longer than a sound bite is ignored.
But a love of truth demands that we are malleable to it. Are you malleable?
What truth can we find in Rev. 3:21?
I enjoy reading all the comments from former LDS members and how God saved them from that false church. I understand where ur coming from, i wasnt LDS but had a similar experience. God is so good. I praise Him for all the glory He is getting from saving ya’ll ! God bless you!
Awesome videos Jeff!
The teen with the mini ponytail was one of the most well read Mormons you've conversed with on this channel.
Riley Dueck The Mormons (ALWAYS) absolutely refuse to stay on one subject at a time.
John O'Donnell tell me about it?! It’s so exhausting talking with them. You go 12 miles in a circle just to move one inch forward with them! They really know how to twist & mangle the word of God on a professional level almost. They’ve been deceived so badly that they jump through an infinite amount hoops to willfully remain in their delusion.
Riley Dueck , These false Pastors like Jeff never deal with us. They always go for the ignorant.
Here is our Info Jeff, Lets talk live.
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Riley Dueck ISRAEL IS THE HOLY CHURCH OF YAHWAH.
And the most open minded.
This is so truly inspiring. God has set me free of many things including the mormon religion. Seeing this makes me want to devote my life to a ministry that is reaching out and sharing the true gospel of Christ with the LDS people. Thank you Jeff for letting the Holy Spirit work through you
Anthony Lambson Open your mouth and he will fill it with the good things.
This is one of the best videos of a Mormon and Christian conversation. I was in Mormonism for 30 years and praise Jesus, I now know the Truth. Thank you for uploading and for your ministry. God bless you.
Amen
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The righteousness that is required through faith is also by grace, but that righteousness makes us righteous not ours but His in us. This is a relationship with Jesus, that is why He says to some I never knew you depart from me you who practice lawlessness.
When your faith is shaking.... watch Jeff Durbin
Dressed in His righteousness alone, faultless to stand before the Throne! On Christ the solid Rock I stand all other ground is sinking sand!
Kevin Marriott can't you see from the hymn? It is confirming that we are faultless before His throne because of Christ alone. Any route to righteousness outside of His atoning death on our behalf is insufficient. It is sinking sand.
Kevin Marriott I don't understand why you think I don't believe scripture. I do. In fact, I posted those words to the well known hymn in celebration and support of the truths of scripture.
@@neokevin3 please post, since you like to call out cherry pickers, the entire 20th chapter of revelation. Just for record. That way you aren't being hypocritical in your evaluations of others.
Love these videos, please keep them coming.
How is it so difficult to see when Jeff demonstrates that what the Bible says about "no other gods before me" people can't understand that? It's so crystal clear and simple. Something / someone that contradicts what the Bible says is blasphemy and in error. It's really not hard to see. I suppose their feelings blind them to truth.
They dont believe in Sola Scriptura
Their pride and self-righteous spirit blinds them from the truth. Only someone self-righteous and full of pride (= not humble) would not accept a FREE GIFT from God, the holy being that created them.
THE FREE GIFT IS:
1. SALVATION, the forgiveness of ALL your sins (past, present & future sins) because Jesus paid for them on your behalf by dying on The Cross.
2. Having eternal life
3. Being made righteous by the work Jesus did on the cross, not your works
4. Becoming God's child
5. Receiving God's Holy Spirit to inhabit you forever, which gives you power and life
6. Being made whole
7. Having a home in Heaven
8. Receiving a godly inheritance
9. And other blessings too innumerable to list
ALL THIS WRAPPED UP IN JESUS
HOW YOU RECEIVE THE GIFT:
*By believing what God said about how you receive the gift, BY FAITH ONLY. That means trusting God at His word that is written in The Bible. God says if you confess with your mouth The Lord Jesus and believe in your heart that God raised Him from the dead, you will be saved (Romans 10:9). Having faith in what God says leads us to see our sinful condition and this is what leads us to repentance. God's truth drives us to want to turn from our sins and change. It's that simple!
WHO THE GIFT IS OFFERED TO:
ANYONE who can humble themself to believe what God said about the way to receive it. I mean anyone! Yes, even a murderer, a tyrant, a sexually immoral person, a thief, a masturbater, a drug addict, someone addicted to porn, a satanist, an alcoholic, a smoker, a prostitute, a person coming from a false religion, etc can receive the FREE GIFT BY FAITH. THE GIFT IS OFFERED TO "EVERYONE". YOU JUST HAVE TO BELIEVE THAT JESUS IS THE SON OF GOD AND HE DIED ON THE CROSS FOR YOUR SINS AND HE ROSE TO LIFE ON THE 3RD DAY. YOU CAN COME TO JESUS JUST AS YOU ARE AND HE WILL ACCEPT YOU. YOU DON'T HAVE TO FIX YOURSELF FIRST. YOU JUST HAVE TO REPENT: ADMIT YOU ARE A SINNER AND MAKE A HEART DECISION TO TURN AWAY FROM SIN. JESUS DOES THE FIXING. HE MAKES YOU NEW, HE DOESN'T PATCH YOU UP! YOU JUST HAVE TO HAVE A WILLING HEART.
God hasn’t opened their eyes.
@@jimmya.guzman8491 But that makes it even weirder to be a mormon, because who tells me there won't be another prophet after Joseph Smith? It's so messed up.
The blindness by Satan keeps them from ‘hearing the truth’ as well as their ‘pride’….having a secret knowledge no one else possesses. Plus having been lied to and deceived all their lives from those who love them. I too came from a cult, but by God’s grace someone told me about the truth of the Gospel.
9:12 You explain this the best that I have heard.
As a former mormon, the fundamental issue in this debate is the roll of Christ. In Mormonism, Christ has paid the debt for sin but then becomes a refinancer and requires one to pay back to him. The true role of Christ paid in full and we just need to receive his grace and trust in that alone.
Christ disagrees with you. Read the parable of the talents
Matt 25 [23] His lord said unto him, **Well done, good and faithful servant; thou hast been faithful over a few things** I will make thee ruler over many things: **enter thou into the joy of thy lord** [24] Then he which had received the one talent came and said, Lord, I knew thee that thou art an hard man, reaping where thou hast not sown, and gathering where thou hast not strawed: [25] And I was afraid, and went and hid thy talent in the earth: lo, there thou hast that is thine. [26] His lord answered and said unto him, Thou wicked and **slothful servant** thou knewest that I reap where I sowed not, and gather where I have not strawed: [27] Thou oughtest therefore to have put my money to the exchangers, and then at my coming I should have received mine own with usury. [28] Take therefore the talent from him, and give it unto him which hath ten talents. [29] For unto every one that hath shall be given, and he shall have abundance: but from him that hath not shall be taken away even that which he hath. [30] **And cast ye the unprofitable servant into outer darkness: there shall be weeping and gnashing of teeth**
Wow, how could we ever pay back Christ for paying for our sin?
Look in the gospel principles manual of the lds church. I taught the class when I was a member. I think it was Boyd k Packer whose parable of the debtor is in the manual. I k,ow what the new testament says about the atonement but your lds manual teaches differently.
That parable does not mean our debt is refinanced. It was paid in full. Paul taught "we are saved by grace through faith, and not by works lest any man should boast."
Peter gave us this warning
2 Peter 3 [16] As also in all his [Paul] epistles, speaking in them of these things; in which are some things hard to be understood, which they that are unlearned and unstable wrest, as they do also the other scriptures, unto their own destruction.
[17] Ye therefore, beloved, seeing ye know these things before, beware lest ye also, being led away with the error of the wicked, fall from your own stedfastness.
I suggest that you focus on what Christ Himself taught about salvation. Get a Red Letter Edition of the Bible and study His words.
Paul was speaking to the Judaizers -- the works of the Mosaic law. We agree that works do NOT save us, but keeping the commandment, repentance, and good and holy works are necessary o salvation..
Christ does not save us in our sins, but from our sins.
You are free to believe whatever you wish. That is between ourselves and the Lord, and I am not gong to argue with you -- I give you the last word on this issue.
I notice that almost all the Lds in your videos, towards the end, cant look you in the face, get distracted easily by traffic and people around them, and stutter alot..lol..praise JESUS! Keep it up brothers! My sister is mormon and im born again Christian..im learning and watching carefully from your ministry bc i know she and i will have to have this discussion...
Jeff schools people and I take notes. Praise God!
Take these notes
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That Hitler line by that one guy was a throwaway but I am glad that you knew the historical reality of the nazi twisting of the scriptures. Your videos are always a blessing.
a follow up vid with these individuals would be sooooo AWESOME!
So much grace and humility. Been following Apologia church for a while now, and it just always reminds me of when I used to watch your guys' sermons soon after I had been saved...Happy Resurrection day church!! Praying for blessings from your brother in Alabama :)
I'm learning so much from you guys. The Holy Spirit is at full maximum right now. Thank you, thank you, thank you. God bless your ministry.
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Great job, Jeff. I pray for the Holy Spirit to get me through seminary so I can make cogent arguments like this.
Dude, the more I hear how bold Paul was writing to these churches makes me smile.
When he referenced the letter to Galatians, if you want to fulfill the law on your own with circumcision you should finish the job and cut it off completely. I laughed because Paul had no chill when it came to living in Christ.
Saved by Grace thru faith & judged by our works; works being the evidence of the saving faith within us.
Both parties listened so well,, praise God that the young men that were willing to listen :)
This is definitely your calling sir. I am impressed with your knowledge of the bible and they way you articulate it. Definitely to God be the glory. He has anointed you for this. I really enjoy watching. It strengthens my faith. Thank you for sharing
LDS members need to sit and read Galatians, verse by verse, and just spend time getting to understand it.
They also need to be familiarized with the difference between good and bad hermeneutics.
Read it? We wrote it!
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"This letter is from Paul, an apostle. I was not appointed by any group of people or any human authority, but by Jesus Christ himself and by God the Father, who raised Jesus from the dead."
Paul was called by revelation! Like every LDS apostle. And God the Father and Jesus Christ are two separate beings, God the Father having the greater authority.
"May God the Father and our Lord Jesus Christ give you grace and peace."
Two separate people.
"Jesus gave his life for our sins, just as God our Father planned, in order to rescue us from this evil world in which we live."
He planned from the beginning that Jesus would give his life for the sins of mankind. Jesus - and mankind - existed before they were born!
"All glory to God forever and ever! Amen."
This is actually a mistranslation. The Greek says "all glory to HIM forever and ever", meaning either God the Father or Jesus.
"I am shocked that you are turning away so soon from God, who called you to himself through the loving mercy of Christ."
The apostasy has already started!
"You are following a different way that pretends to be the Good News but is not the Good News at all."
The Galatians were into Greek philosophy. Today Greek philosophy is taught at almost every Christian church. Historians call this adoption of Greek philosophy the Helenization of Christianity.
"You are being fooled by those who deliberately twist the truth concerning Christ."
They redefined major precepts of the bible. "Father" didn't mean Father and "son" didn't mean son, because the philosophers could not believe that God had a body, and that Jesus was his literal son.
"Let God’s curse fall on anyone, including us or even an angel from heaven, who preaches a different kind of Good News than the one we preached to you."
That good news was that God the Father sent Jesus Christ to be born as his literal son, and that through his atonement all mankind could be saved. Jesus was a bridge between God and mankind.
"Obviously, I’m not trying to win the approval of people, but of God."
Compare that to all the preachers of today that have to win the approval of people just to have a job.
"If pleasing people were my goal, I would not be Christ’s servant."
What does that say about the ministers of today?
BTW, those black robes that are popular among preachers are actually the graduation robes of those who went to a school of philosophy, an artifact of the Hellenization of Christianity. They are the robes of a false priesthood.
"Dear brothers and sisters, I want you to understand that the gospel message I preach is not based on mere human reasoning."
Unlike the gospel taught by the philosophers, which is almost all human reasoning.
"I received my message from no human source, and no one taught me. Instead, I received it by direct revelation from Jesus Christ."
That is the best way to receive knowledge of God! Would that all the followers of Christ were prophets, and that God would put his spirit on them!
This could have been written by any LDS apostle today!
@@robertrosskopf4641 Christ said there was no salvation in the LDS church.
I have received direct revelation from Jesus Christ.
@@fayelewis5476 Sounds like a marvelous experience. Don't be shy. Share the details.
This was a great conversation between all of them maybe the young Lds men are hearing the good news the real gospel of Jesus Christ so everyone will hear and see.🙏
The respect and love you show to others is amazing!!!! I enjoy watching all these videos at work. Thank u!!
Man I love these kinds of videos you guys post! I love seeing the dialogue between Jeff and the guys with others, I always feel more equipped. God bless you guys richly in Christ as you seek Him daily !
Amen!!! I picked up on things with the dialogue about abortion. Praise God for Aplogia Studios indeed! How beautiful are the feet of those who bring the message! Truly glad for this ministry!
That’s cool that you witnessed to Napoleon Dynomite.
Hey Jeff, could you do more about Catholicism? I know Mormonism is a huge part of your local scene, but more people around the world need to hear the truth about the Catholic Church.
consumptionof amen
The problem for Jeff when it comes to Catholicism is he doesn't have an answer for Catholic arguments. He tried a couple times but misquoted the Catholic council's to try and win his arguments.
Facts !
gshock knick what makes them a moron?
XYU The one true church is the body of Christ which is true believers.
1 Peter 4:10-11: “Each of you should use whatever gift you have received to serve others, as faithful stewards of God's grace in its various forms. “If anyone serves, they should do so with the strength God provides, so that in all things God may be praised through Jesus Christ"
The christian guy just said that Romans has no chapter 20. That was amazing of him only proves that he really knows the bible.
What a wonderful gift Pastor Jeff!
Apologia
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You tell them to read something In the Bible they tell you to read something in the book of mormon.... that should be an eye opener for them right there. Truly lost.
My Name excellent point!!.... I truly do feel sorry for these people.. I pray that they will come to the truth.
We accept ALL the word of God, including the Bible and modern revelation.
cdowis Mormons believe in the Bible "as far as it is translated correctly." Not to sound disrespectful to you in anyway but you truly do not believe in the Bible. The Bible is the Word of God, and in order to believe in the Word of God, you have to believe in everything that it says, not just parts of it that fit into your own religion and cast out the rest of God's Word. We have the Dead Sea scrolls and about 5,000 ancient manuscripts that point out that our Bibles today are accurate. God's Word has not been corrupted or translated wrong. There is no need for a restoration to the Church because Jesus established His Church 2,000 years ago. Matthew 16:18 shows us that He built His Church and the gates of hell shall not prevail against it, so Joesph Smith is 1800 years too late.
Again not to sound disrespectful but it is important that you know these things
1.I agree with you that the Bible contains the word of God -- but the Bible itself tells us that there are missing texts. Paul tells us that he wrote an epistle prior to 1 Corinthians, it refers to a missing prophecy in the OT (Matt 2:23), it refers us to read entire books which are missing in both the OT and the NT.
2. But even assuming that the Bible is complete and inerrant, there remains the issue of an INERRANT INTERPRETATION. The scholars and theologians dispute among themselves even about basci salvation doctrines -- baptism, free will, faith vs works, etc.
Peter tells us
2 Peter 1 [20] Knowing this first, that no prophecy of the scripture is of any private interpretation.
[21] For the prophecy came not in old time by the will of man [theologians, scholars] but holy men of God spake as they were moved by the Holy Ghost [prophets]
We accept ALL the word of God, including the Bible and modern revelation.
God did create man in His own image, but as Christ taught
John 5:19 The Son can do nothing of himself, but what he seeth the Father do: for what things soever he doeth, these also doeth the Son likewise.
They are sinless from eternity.
Pray for that lad. That he understands what the Christians are trying to tell him.
So awesome🙏🏻✝️ I always pray for those you are witnessing too
Am happy to see the young men listening to pastor Durbins true gospel message praying for them.🙏🏻🙏🏻🙏🏻
There are two kinds of righteousness in the Bible. Righteousness which is by faith and righteousness which is of the law.
If you rely on the righteousness which is of the law you must have always been perfectly sinless throughout your existence to qualify.
If you have ever broke one law, God considers you to have broken all of them.
Dude... Amazing.... I came back to CHRIST after years of living in a sinful way... I have been back in church a year and five months. My repentance came through much grief and weeping, point is I really want to get back into witnessing in appreciation of the things GOD is doing in my life, I would love to see you do what you do, I do realize you have a huge pool of scripture by topic in memory, you do a great job adjusting to change in direction and holding debater to question you have asked and the love you have for them shines through.
Wow that was awesome , I have been listening, i I can truly say it has been edifying listening to you’re conversations. I feel like you are taking me to school . God bless you and your ministry in Jesus name .
The Doctrine of Christ is simple ---
“ Go ye therefore, and teach all nations, baptizing them in the name of the Father, and of the Son, and of the Holy Ghost “
Mathew 28:19
Acts 2:38-39
12:35 ...hahaha..you are becoming my fav youtube preacher
Think a little deeper
www.latterdaysaintwatchtower.com/refuted.html
@@johnnyburns1466 eek, Anna stay away from that site, stick to the actual gospel
@@youknow1595 Apologia doesn't believe in the bible. Blind leading the blind.
Every new clip I watch, it’s like starting a favourite movie all over again haha I love this stuff!
I'm a seventh day adventist but extremely blessed by this ministry
Awesome discussion :) I wish my family was as humble and willing to question their Mormon beliefs. Good work guys! Godbless
Apologia
www.latterdaysaintwatchtower.com/refuted.html
Adam and Eve sinned. God gave grace and clothed them (showing covering of sin, God sacrificed an animal to clothe them) It wasn’t their works but it was the Grace of God.
Indeed. Even Noah found grace in the eyes of the Lord.
Everything outside of hell is grace. So thankful!!!
Adam did not sin. He transgressed. He was not yet spiritually accountable for his choices because he did not yet know good from evil. Where the law is not, there can be no punishment. God would cease to be God if he was to hold Adam accountable spiritually for his choice to partake of the fruit.
God held Adam accountable. God is infinitely holy and must punish sin with death.
I John 3:4 Whosoever committeth sin transgresseth also the law: for sin is the transgression of the law.
Here is the Law.
Gen. 2:16 And the Lord God commanded the man, “You are free to eat from any tree of the garden, 17 but you must not eat from the tree of the knowledge of good and evil, for on the day you eat from it, you will certainly die.”
Here is Adam's sin. Sin is the transgression of the law.
Gen. 3 The woman saw that the tree was good for food and delightful to look at, and that it was desirable for obtaining wisdom. So she took some of its fruit and ate it; she also gave some to her husband, who was with her, and he ate it.
Here is the punishment.
God is infinitely holy and must punish sin. God would be cease to be God and become Santa Claus if He did not punish sin.
God is the habitation of justice. Every sin you have ever committed must be paid for.
Gen. 3:17 And he said to the man, “Because you listened to your wife and ate from the tree about which I commanded you, ‘Do not eat from it’: The ground is cursed because of you. You will eat from it by means of painful labor all the days of your life. 18 It will produce thorns and thistles for you, and you will eat the plants of the field. 19 You will eat bread by the sweat of your brow until you return to the ground, since you were taken from it. For you are dust, and you will return to dust.”
I loved the conversation. But those last 15 seconds are really cool too. The fact that he sees how you guys are different.
My boss is a devout mormon, I'm independent Baptist. I really want to try to help him see but don't know how in my position. your videos are helping
Me gustó mucho la manera de hablar la verdad.
Yo quiero aprender hablar así de Jesús Cristo
Jesus Christ is the way, the truth, and the life. he give salvation to anyone who believe in him and worship him as a Savior and give everlasting life. the true temple of Christ is the believer or christian that believe and faith Him as a Savior.
Faith produces good works we are saved by faith alone but substance of our faith produces good works.
i can see that they were very engaged..i pray that a seed had been planted in their heart
I love the way you put that Jeff.. I don’t want God to even look at my good works only Jesus.. beautiful ❤️✝️🙏
Martin England
Galatians 3:10-15
10 For all who rely on the works of the law are under a curse, as it is written: “Cursed is everyone who does not continue to do everything written in the Book of the Law.”11 Clearly no one who relies on the law is justified before God, because “the righteous will live by faith.”12 The law is not based on faith; on the contrary, it says, “The person who does these things will live by them.”13 Christ redeemed us from the curse of the law by becoming a curse for us, for it is written: “Cursed is everyone who is hung on a pole.”14 He redeemed us in order that the blessing given to Abraham might come to the Gentiles through Christ Jesus, so that by faith we might receive the promise of the Spirit.❤️✝️🙏( I’m on my daughters CZcams)
Martin England
Romans 2:12
12 All who sin apart from the law will also perish apart from the law, and all who sin under the law will be judged by the law.❤️✝️🙏
Martin England what exactly is yours?
Martin England you said we are going to be judged by our works , right?.. That’s all I saw... Mormons think you get to Heaven through works, as a Christian we are saved by grace.. I might of misunderstood your comment.. I was showing scripture that shows Christians are saved through Jesus not the law.. if I misunderstood you, sorry, that’s why I asked “ what exactly are you saying? To make sure I had the right understanding..I know I’m replying to you ( with no animosity ) I believe there are consequences for our actions but if saved through Christ our actions have nothing to do with getting into Heaven.. there’s only one way to Heaven, through Jesus.. I love Jeff.. he’s brilliant and loves Jesus but I’m not a Calvinist...
Martin England don’t believe what?
Mormonism is some bad, bad stuff. It leads alot of well - meaning people straight down the pathway to Hell. It's blasphemy. Plain and simple.
WC calm down, usually people that get offended don’t have anything to say, if you say something to me I won’t get mad at you I’ll just answer you, because i know and have confidence
Yep sadly..straight to hell. And they'll defend it all the way there!
WC If Mormons actually believed the Old and New testaments, like they say. Then that means everything they need for salvation is already there. Lot’s of mormons say that lots of Christians are saved.
So if that’s the case, why follow the third book of mormonism at all? If you can be saved without it? Especially considering that so many believers are telling you that it is false and will lead you to damnation. Why is it worth the risk?
WC You didn’t even address my question. Don’t you see lot’s of Christians following the new testament and producing good fruit (good works)? Don’t they have everything necessary for salvation? You can’t even explain what salvation is and you want me to accept it.
XYU I am aware, they believe that you add your own righteousness to “build part of the bridge” and Jesus grace builds the rest. It’s not what the Gospel teaches, and Paul addresses it specifically in Galatians.
However, not from the Christian perspective, but from the Mormon one, everything they need for salvation can still be found in the New testement. They can ignore the parts they don’t like about not living under the law, and still do everything else that mormons do for salvation. So from a Mormon perspective, it doesn’t even make sense to follow Mormonism, when the bible exists. They are just following something unnecessary. (I assume it has a lot to do with pride, being gods and so on).
I'm a Christian and I'm saying belief saves you through faith by His grace. Nothing more nothing less. Now you've heard a Christian say it Jeff.
Works are the evidence of your Faith. So it starts with Faith.
The man next to Jesus on the cross had no deeds to save him.
We are saved by grace through faith. Jesus died for us, but we need to produce good fruit.
Herrera Feenatics We needed produce fruit for salvation?
Herrera Feenatics we WILL produce fruit. Not only that we must.
Faith without works is dead.
Herrera Feenatics amen. But God produces the fruit in us. It's not our works. It's the work of the Holy Spirit in us producing the works God prepared before the foundation of the world.
Keep your zippers up.
"well done good and faithful servants" Mat 25:23, God bless you all!
We will be judged for works but we can be justified by faith.
Is this Napolean Dynamite part 2?
Acts 2:38 / Romans 6 / 1 Cor. 3:21. /. Believe Repent Be Baptized
Salvation is saying Thank You... not hearing it... [ Praise the Lord.... that just popped in my head ]
- - what we all need to hear is "you're Welcome..."
Acceptance of the gift is demonstrated thru our response to the gospel message. The appropriate response is repentance by faith, baptism in water by faith, baptism of the Holy Spirit by faith. This is clear in Acts of the apostles chapter 2:38. WORKS are a natural response to a true alive faith.
Christ has called all to repentance. Acts 17:30
Mormons want to look like Christianity with halve truths; We are Christians too, and then add some temple rituals, praying for the dead, knocking on doors. We believe in Jesus too, but his last name is Spirit Brother of Lucifer. We believe in God our Heavenly Father, but he wasn't perfect, and progressed from a man to Godhood. LDS should be proud of the whole truth, and nothing but the truth so help me which god? .
Jump rope stairs Many Christians pray for the dead. The problem is Mormons *baptise* the dead.
lmaowat lel, both wrong and demonic.
Nathalie Jean
Yeah it’s not of God at all in my opinion.
>>praying for the dead
That is the Catholics, as I understand. We do not pray for the dead.
The early Christians did baptism for the dead. 1 Cor 15:29.
Amen!! God bless you always guys.
Praise God for his Holy Spirit to guide us Home to be with Christ Jesus forever thank you Heavenly Father Holy Holy Holy Art Thou now and 4ever. Luv you Kathleen ❣️
Wow, that’s street preaching 👍🏻
Truly seeking the truth would lead any truly concerned person to understand just how much evidence there is behind the text of the bible, and how it has not been altered. The bible has more copies of the original text than any other book of history, and each one matches up almost perfectly, beside maybe 0.5% of them and the parts that are off make no difference in the book or context. Its mind blowing just how well the text has been preserved and translated! Read Evidence That Demands A Verdict by Josh McDowell and Sean McDowell.
with gentleness correcting those who are in opposition, if perhaps God may grant them repentance leading to the knowledge of the truth,
2 Tim 2:25
Solid job Jeff.
John 3:5 & Acts 2:38
Jesus4Life Ministries Praise Jesus!!! Romans 6
John 3:5 isn’t talking about physical baptism.
In Acts 3:19 Peter says this to those on Solomon’s Portico “Repent therefore, and turn back, that your sins may be blotted out”. Why was baptism spoken about in Acts 2:38 but not here in 3:19? It’s actually pretty simple: physical baptism doesn’t justify us before a holy God. Only faith does.
What Joseph Smith has done is completely un-acceptable. Leading thousands to hell.
Joseph Smith has led millions to Jesus by giving his life for the Master’s work, not a perfect man by far but he never claimed to be.
@@LHJlives He's in Hell
I love how they apply the scriptures. You can't fail the bible.
Amen, it’s a walk !
min11:40
"Nothing can bridge that gap"
We have no hostility towards you nor your religion, but tell you in pure love that the atonement bridges that gap.
But Let's see what Jesus said about your question
Matt 25 [23] His lord said unto him, Well done, good and faithful servant; thou hast been faithful over a few things, I will make thee ruler over many things **enter thou into the joy of thy lord**
[24] Then he which had received the one talent came and said, Lord, I knew thee that thou art an hard man, reaping where thou hast not sown, and gathering where thou hast not strawed:
[25] And I was afraid, and went and hid thy talent in the earth: lo, there thou hast that is thine. [26] His lord answered and said unto him, **Thou wicked and slothful servant*** thou knewest that I reap where I sowed not, and gather where I have not strawed....
[29] For unto every one that hath shall be given, and he shall have abundance: but from him that hath not shall be taken away even that which he hath. [30] **And cast ye the unprofitable servant into outer darkness: there shall be weeping and gnashing of teeth**
I also recommend reading until the end of the chapter. Christ made it clear that our mouth will not save us.
Omar, the antiMormons have poisoned your mind with their bitterness and hatred.
I sincerely wish you all the best
All i see your comments on people channel, have courage like most people do and don't hide behind your comments and not face to face
You should know these fellas can’t drink hot drinks.
Drew Fletcher. hot chocolate is ok
Hot Drink refers to coffee
Coffee and tea- caffeine is the main problem to them.
I was pretty sure that my roommate who was a Mormon also abstained from hot chocolate, maybe there are different convictions.
Drew Fletcher You can still get a Temple Reccomend if you drink hot chocolate
or caffeine soda drinks including energy drinks
Some Mormons choose to abstain from all caffeine drinks personal chioce
And I'm sorry I forgot to mention Tea
Mormons can not drink black or green Tea
They can drink herbal teas
Jeff was ok offering them hot chocolate
Hope that helps
This was awesome!
Jeff you are very Good :) God Bless you!
Mormon theology sounds a lot like Arminianism. Get yourself as close to God as you can and He will do the rest. Heresy.
Salvation is of God alone.
Corey Keast True....that's what I was thinking watching this!
Read more of the bible. Obedience is magnified throughout the bible. You would rather have Paul as your Christ rather than Jesus.
Heb 5:8-9 - Obedience required for salvation
Phil 2:12 - Work out your own salvation
Heb 11:1 - Faith is substance, evidence
Luke 10:27 - Love God with all your strength
John 17:3 - Know God to gain eternal life
1 John 2:3-6 - How do we know him?
Mark 16:16 - Must be baptized to be saved
Rom 6:22 - Become servants, then gift
James 2:14-17 - Can faith alone save?
John 14:15 - Love me? Keep commandments
John 15:10 - Conditional promise
Jude 1:21 - Keep yourself in the love of God
Luke 18:18,22,27 - Follow Him
2 Peter 1:1-11 Add to your faith
2 Tim 4:7 - Paul fought the good fight
Mark 13:13 - Endure and be saved
Matt 5:48 - Be perfect like Heavenly Father
Matt 22: 36-40 - Love God and neighbor
Matt 11:28-30 - Take yoke, burden is light
Matt 16:24 - Take up cross and follow
Matt 5:14-16 - Let your light so shine
John 8:12 - Follow Him
John 14:6 - The way
Matt 19:16-22 - Follow Him for eternal life
Matt 25:1-12 - 5 virgins didn’t prepare/work
todd stadel You quoted Paul to what, refute Paul? You only obey because God justified you. People who are depraved won't obey.
Corey Keast that's why Christ is the mediator between us and the Father..( if your understanding of salvation is merely to believe this takes away from the whole bible) and what Christ stood for.
And Jesus said unto him, No man, having put his hand to the plough, and looking back, is fit for the kingdom of God.
todd stadel Amen. Salvation is entirely a work of God.
Can you debate muslims?
Victor there’s not a lot of them in his area
Victor dang dude that crazy, stay strong out there
Ezequiel Ramirez thank you, God is with us
Victor amen, God bless
J Mireles yes I'm keeping track on the American politics and the left seems to be so anti Christ and pro muslims and I don't know why!! islam is anti everything the west stands for ,thank you pray for us always
Well done!!
Highly encouraging 👍
Jeff was wrong on Revelation. Even those with eternal life are judge according to their works.
"For [God] will render to every man according to his works: to those who by patience in well-doing seek for glory and honor and immortality, he will give eternal life..."
Now, don't get me wrong, we all need Jesus to be saved. Even our works are the gift of God and not our own. But he still made a rather blatant biblical mistake here.
Cloud Strife Jeff put back into context of rev 20 what the mormon said.... and it showed to the mormon he was taking the verse out of context...
You might want to pay closer attention before you make such a blatant mistake in critiquing Jeff and then leave a public record.
We are not judged by our works FOR SALVATION. Our works are judged FOR ETERNAL REWARDS. We are saved by faith in Christ; however, if we've done nothing _righteously_ (that is, to glorify God), all of our works will be burned up. We ourselves will still be saved, "yet so as through fire". (1 Corinthians 3:15)
ThingsAreToughAllOver
You are adding to the word of God. The Bible makes no such statement.
Actually he is correct the scriptures couldn't be more clear
1Cor 3:11-15
Five crown rewards
1.Crown of righteous
2Timothy 4:8, Romans 3:24,Galatians 5:5, Philippians 3:9
2. Incorruptible crown
1Cor 9:24-27
3. Crown of life
James 1:12, Revelation 2:10, 2Timothy 2:15
4. Crown of glory
1Peter 5:2-4, Matthew 5:19
5. Crown of rejoicing
1Thessalonians 2:19
Acts 16:30-31 What must i do to be saved? (Philippian jailer asking Paul and Cilas in jail)
31: believe on the lord thou shall be saved
Repentance is not a gift, that is Calvinism, we must choose to repent, it is a decision we make. It is God’s will that all men come to repentance.
So if we are to say that it is God that causes one to repent and we know it is God’s will to save all men, then God would cause all men to repent, which we know all men will not do.
Careful not to add Calvinism to the gospel. To as many as received Him, to them gave He the power to become the sons of God.
God is not WILLING that ANY should perish but that ALL would COME TO repentance.
Repentance is a change of mind.Even God in Gensis repented for different reasons. For salvation.You repent from unbelief to belief that Jesus is the Son of God and that He came down from heaven to earth.Jesus was sinless.Paid for the sins of the whole world by taking our place on the cross giving up His life for us.He was arose from the dead after three days and now is at the right hand of God the Father. And whoever believes Jesus did this for them without any kind of works from us is saved a born again Christian.Repent from sins for salvation will not save you.Thats a lie many churches are preaching today.God bless!
starlight, first off, being dead in sins refers to mans state of separation from God, not an inability to make choices.
we see corrupted men make choices to obey God throughout history before anyone became born again.
dead in sins has nothing to do with an inability to choose Christ, even the man who had 6000 demobs was able to both come and fall at the feet of Christ before he was set free.
calvinism completely violates the gospel in every way.
repentance, believing, and confessing are all choices a man makes to be saved, salvation is bestowed upon those who choose to believe the gospel and confess Christ as Lord and Savior.
Starlight99 Here is the monster God of Calivinism.
Dead human: Woah, so you really were real. Wow. I can’t believe I was so blind to you this whole time. I guess I’m not going to Heaven
Monster God: Of course you’re not. I planned this out from the beginning. Even though you listened to a bunch of sermons, saw debates where atheists lost, and even lost to one, I still made your eyes blind to my existence.
Dead human: B-but why?
Monster God: WHY?!!? DO I NOT HAVE THE RIGHT TO DO SO?!!!? I CREATED YOU OUT OF A WHIM AND I CAN’T HAVE FUN WITH MY CREATION?!!!?
Dead Human: W-wait *starts to sob*
Monster God: I CREATED YOU WITH NO INTENTION OF LETTING YOU LIVE IN MY HEAVENLY KINGDOM BUT TO LET YOU BURN FOR ETERNITY!!!!
Dead Human:.......
Monster God: Well at least you got to live your life like how u wanted to :) Oh wait, I didn’t give any of u free will. Well it’s not like you believed it anyway. Well goodbye now.
Dead human: NO WAIT U CANT TO IT AHHHHHHJJJJHHHHHHHH * Burns forever*
Gladiator8324: AMEN!! Absolutely! Thanks for your comments, God bless u! Calvinism destroys both the Gospel and the character of God. The bottom line is that the god of Calvinism wants "many to perish and few to come to the knowledge of the truth and be saved". The god of Calvinism died for just a few people, not all people and he doesn't love all but only a few lucky ones. If you are a Calvinist and are trying to spread the Gospel you can't tell people that Christ loves them and died for them and their sins because that would not be true if they are not "the elect" and you'd be lying to them. The god of Calvinism ultimately committed the original sin himself and then blamed the man he created for doing something he made him do to fulfill his secret purposes. So the god of Calvinism created evil and does evil. On the other hand, the God of the Bible is totally good and cannot do any evil and is not responsible for the evil that man chooses to do but gives all the chance to repent by turning back to Him in faith and receiving His son Jesus Christ as payment for our sins. God bless!
RandoMango: exactly...
Jeff just knows how to communicate so well
Amen 🙏 thanks for your work