2023 Civic Type R vs 2022 Civic Si | Motor Blows on Track!

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  • čas přidán 11. 11. 2022
  • With the 2023 Civic Type R FL5, we wanted to see if our new 2022 Civic Si could beat ‪@HondaProJason‬ Type R in its natural habitat. We met up with our friends from Spoon to have ‪@DaiYoshihara‬ drive both cars to see which one is faster but the expected unexpectedly happened! Is the 11th gen L15 weaker than the 10th Gen L15 engine!?
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  • @Hadouken365
    @Hadouken365 Před rokem +25

    This is low key depressing but thank you for educating us on the L15 platforms. Cant wait for the next video.

  • @dialedmedia_
    @dialedmedia_ Před rokem +216

    I strongly dislike HondaProJason, definitely the type of guy to pay $20k in markup and say "that's the price you pay for Honda".

    • @jhonreydelacruz6945
      @jhonreydelacruz6945 Před rokem +4

      Lol

    • @Hondaddy
      @Hondaddy Před rokem +19

      Man's salty that Jason can probably just ask for a Honda for MSRP and it'll be given to no questions asked

    • @dialedmedia_
      @dialedmedia_ Před rokem +30

      @@Hondaddy nah just the way he talks comes across as rude when he interacts with other people.

    • @YasssStitch
      @YasssStitch Před rokem +68

      He's not a pro of anything, I threw some curve balls at him about Honda info from the past, guy was clueless. He's just a marketing gimmick.

    • @dialedmedia_
      @dialedmedia_ Před rokem +21

      @@YasssStitch I took it as him being a PR guy, he's not familiar with having fans. He's way too up his own ass about things. Watching the video with him and Spoon techs installing rigid collars was agonizing to see him try and squeeze in wherever he can. Doesn't even look confident around tools.

  • @tchev2710
    @tchev2710 Před rokem +6

    We wanna see the teardown bro !
    Also sorry bout the car, we all knew it would happen one day though. Glad to see you had good sportsmanship about it though!
    This is just opportunity calling you now

  • @Superdimensional
    @Superdimensional Před rokem +1

    Stumbled upon this page and now I just subbed because I wanna see what you end up doing lol good luck man, sucks to put a hole in a motor.

  • @Fk8td
    @Fk8td Před rokem +24

    I don’t believe the new l15 engine is weaker. This is very common when making torque earlier in the power band. Having an exhaust pulse separated causes earlier spool earlier and also can cause spiking boost on a smaller turbo.
    I make the supposed weak k20c1 hold 600whp on stock bottom by tuning torque within a reasonable amount and making torque later. I’ve seen many l15b blow up on ots maps running stock turbo while I’ve tuned plenty 300whp or more on the previous SI with larger turbos and they live.
    Trying to make big torque below 3000 rpm on a tiny 1.5l is crazy. Also it was hurt before the track. It just happened to let go on the track.

    • @thefoatmedia
      @thefoatmedia  Před rokem +19

      We can make the L15 hold over 300whp stock motors as well, as you mentioned its done simply by applying tuning strategies to limit the torque…but what’s the fun in that? Lol
      Heres why we believe the new gen is weaker, we have been modifying the 10th gens since 2016 and have had both our 2017 Si make way more torque & Hp than this 11th gen and they lasted. The reason larger turbo doesn’t blow as easily is because often times they are moving the powerband (certain drop-ins will make the trq a bigger problem).
      The way we see it, why limit ourselves this motor went out boosting 30+ lbs 😂 . We knew this would happen (just a matter of time) but we wanted to share it with the world, since with our 10th gen R&D was typically kept to ourselves.
      We already have proven 10th gen engine building recipes to handle 450whp and a 800+ on our drag engine package (that once was a ticking 💥 but the custom rods seem to be doing the trick). We are also currently working on a 11th gen solution which will be announced in time.

    • @jok3yjesu339
      @jok3yjesu339 Před rokem +1

      @@thefoatmedia have yall ever thought about maybe too much oil sloshing?

    • @weduhpeople8504
      @weduhpeople8504 Před rokem

      @@thefoatmedia What failed? Head gasket? Cracked cylinder sleeve? What damage was there? Rod knock, threw a rod, piston ring lands? What showed on the data logs?

    • @weduhpeople8504
      @weduhpeople8504 Před rokem +2

      @@jok3yjesu339 There are literally so many factors that can make an engine fail. Only a disassembly and data logs will tell. Otherwise it’s just guessing.

    • @sn4rl277
      @sn4rl277 Před rokem

      @@weduhpeople8504 Yes, all the above. It's a L15, pick anyone on of those and all at of them at the same time.

  • @Sosaaa_si
    @Sosaaa_si Před rokem +11

    “Something broke unfortunately, he said it’s okay” “what” 🤣🤣

    • @ryanb8736
      @ryanb8736 Před rokem +1

      That’s what happens when you modify a 1.5 stock block. Tuners only works with what they are given. Honda skimped out.

  • @driveri1435
    @driveri1435 Před rokem +13

    Appreciate you pushing the limits for us civic boys and girls. I'm still on the dinosaur 10th gen platform with a built motor so i'm not up to date with these young bucks in their 11th gens. I've heard Powermetrics tunes are more aggressive. So I'm not surprised you threw a rod. Let this be a reference point for tuners and 11th gen L15 owners to learn from this to implement new tuning strategies.

    • @thefoatmedia
      @thefoatmedia  Před rokem +2

      Yes this was known but we just wanted to see how long it would last. It didn’t last long aha

    • @thefoatmedia
      @thefoatmedia  Před rokem +1

      Also thank you for watching!

    • @jaelee6390
      @jaelee6390 Před rokem +1

      8th gen coupe here ..damn near 300k still running strong lol

    • @Hardwaretuned
      @Hardwaretuned Před rokem +1

      The best thing I ever did was sell my 19 si. That motor beyond sucks. I went coyote with boost and been boosted for 40k on the stock motor over 700whp. it cost less to buy the stang and boost then to buy the si and mod it to 350whp.

    • @driveri1435
      @driveri1435 Před rokem

      @@Hardwaretuned wow great comment. Glad to hear you are where you are with the stang. Ican't wait to get rid if my Si LOL

  • @Si_Wil
    @Si_Wil Před rokem +30

    So now since i saw this video… i walk to my 22 si after work and we had a long talk!

    • @leonardoramirez4678
      @leonardoramirez4678 Před rokem +1

      Right, good to know not to go full bolt ons on the FE1.

    • @brokentradgedy
      @brokentradgedy Před 2 měsíci

      thats why the 10th gen Si is better. 100K miles on my tuned e85 Si and beat the piss out of it daily and not a single issue. The 11th gen rods are worse.

  • @austinmuldoon9369
    @austinmuldoon9369 Před rokem +9

    Nah I think HondaProJason is getting undeserved hate. Seems like a legit friendly guy and always takes time (even while recording) to meet fans.

    • @claudio_wrx
      @claudio_wrx Před rokem +3

      He’s not a bad dude, but he did have a “I got the new Type R, I’m better than your Si” attitude here, which he should have that attitude because he did have the orange Si when he began being HPJ.

    • @narmstrongracing
      @narmstrongracing Před rokem

      @@claudio_wrx he’s like this in real life. Met him on few occasions.

  • @CypressRacing
    @CypressRacing Před rokem +11

    Sorry to see this happen. As a former Si owner, I really looked forward to your build and content but I think it's time to move to the FL5. I did and won't look back.

  • @seanomar3536
    @seanomar3536 Před rokem +48

    These generation civic si are for older folks who want a manual shift vehicle..... 8th gen with the k20z3 was the last best si
    Got 245k+ miles on mine and it's still going strong

    • @Bbc418
      @Bbc418 Před rokem +9

      the best SI was the 10th gen!!

    • @Dj_narco_antonio_solis
      @Dj_narco_antonio_solis Před rokem +13

      Nah it’s the 8th gen 😅

    • @nitronick1220
      @nitronick1220 Před rokem

      @@Bbc418 that’s laughable

    • @ValkenDnB
      @ValkenDnB Před rokem

      @@Bbc418 nah I had a 10th and it’s 8th. 10th just has good creature comforts over the 8th. 8th is better in over other way minus torque lol but that’s why we boost them

    • @BDA0531
      @BDA0531 Před rokem +10

      Nah its the 9th gen

  • @d0mochi
    @d0mochi Před rokem +31

    Engine window mod is one of the best bang for the buck L15 mods

    • @d0mochi
      @d0mochi Před rokem +5

      @@user-hh4hc2lt6e yep. Literally taking an L getting an L15 car. I know I did. Terrible engine for sure

    • @walahmelons5504
      @walahmelons5504 Před rokem +3

      @@d0mochi I had zero issues with mine and I was fbo and beat the shit out of it. Almost every person I've seen that blew up their L15 was tuned on Hondata and not Ktuner

    • @d0mochi
      @d0mochi Před rokem +1

      @@walahmelons5504 no issues on mine either. It’s a hatch l15ba which has the weaker 59b rods. Fbo, e30 gtx2860r but I’m not gonna pretend the platform is great.

    • @thefoatmedia
      @thefoatmedia  Před rokem +12

      That’s cap. Anyone that really knows cars understands it doesn’t matter what engine management was used. Also the ktuner fan boys just looked out for eachother and never shared when they blow and they only exploited Hondata users. We’ve seen plenty of L15 owners blow there motors and although it’s engine management is irrelevant, it’s equally between Ktuner / Hondata users. There’s way too many variables and lack of taking accountability to truly blame 1 company for things blowing. I’ve heard it all “I don’t beat on my car”, yet their IG shows them doing antilag every night. 😂

    • @d0mochi
      @d0mochi Před rokem

      @@thefoatmedia lol yep. I use ktuner cause I like the screen but would have no problem jumping ship to flashpro. Fan boys are the worst

  • @Tool0GT92
    @Tool0GT92 Před rokem +12

    I'm just sticking to basic bolts on and the phearable tune, I daily drive my car and I don't want to push it too much.

    • @alfonsovanegas8069
      @alfonsovanegas8069 Před rokem +3

      Same here man! I’m not trying to beat scats packs in my civic! I just got a bigger intercooler with charge pipes , Intake, bigger exhaust, and a ktuner with the TSP tune. No issue whatever and I’ve had these mods for 20k+ miles! Super happy with my 10th Gen!

    • @XGen_23
      @XGen_23 Před rokem +1

      Stick to that. I already blew my Si engine.

    • @B.K.7
      @B.K.7 Před rokem

      @@XGen_23 what tune?

    • @XGen_23
      @XGen_23 Před rokem

      @@B.K.7 TSP Tune

    • @EJleon96
      @EJleon96 Před rokem

      @@XGen_23what were all your mods?

  • @dilonkao
    @dilonkao Před rokem +1

    I ran Hondata tune 2 for a year. Most of the car is holding strong. Except for the plastic valve cover weeping some oil and all ten front wheel studs failed.

  • @cloud-ny5ux
    @cloud-ny5ux Před rokem +1

    gotta love that sound of crunching metal

  • @mutantboy8888
    @mutantboy8888 Před rokem +6

    This specific Civic SI was running nitrous prior to having issues. So ya, theres that.

    • @thefoatmedia
      @thefoatmedia  Před rokem

      Kind of, but the car made more power without nitrous. So that didn’t affect it as much as you’d think. Now the tuning after and prototype turbo helping us make well over 300hp, that’s got something to do with it lol. The crazy part is, we’ve made more power for longer in our 10th gens on stock motors.

  • @RetroMotiveAdventures
    @RetroMotiveAdventures Před rokem +3

    We had a stock L15 blow in the last gen civic sport we where driving to auction, barely 15,000 miles and we where doing some highway pulls and BAM. Hole in the block. Warranty covered it I believe but still was absolutely surprised it blew over some minor pulls on a stock motor. L15 turbos are shite. The old L series in the fits with the single cam and NA are solidly reliable but they are trying to much to keep the 1.5 with the power it's pushing.

    • @sn4rl277
      @sn4rl277 Před rokem +2

      I still think Honda should have just done a 2.0t K20C in the Si. Just put a smaller turbo on it so it doesn't compete directly with the Type-R. But I think Honda is sand bagging the Si hard by putting a weaker 1.5t in it.

    • @brokentradgedy
      @brokentradgedy Před 2 měsíci +1

      thats because the shitty sport has the weakest rods out of all the L15's

    • @purvis162
      @purvis162 Před 2 měsíci

      Were you running regular gas.

  • @bernieman4
    @bernieman4 Před rokem

    does Spoon already have springs for the FL5? I need a set!

  • @ZakDavis
    @ZakDavis Před rokem +1

    Damn 😢
    Though I always thought it’d be cool to swap in the crate K,
    then onto the EV Prelude

  • @fightnight14
    @fightnight14 Před rokem

    I sold my old Si to get the new type R hatch. Can't wait !

  • @jrjr8738
    @jrjr8738 Před rokem

    Let me know what engine you put I ha e a accord 1.5 engine went out looking to put something different

  • @mugensamurai
    @mugensamurai Před rokem +20

    So this is what we learned. Don't race the new si and don't let Dai drive it.
    kidding aside stock si are awesome dailys and Dai is a heck of a great driver.

    • @UnrelatedNonsense
      @UnrelatedNonsense Před rokem +14

      The Si race car uses the stock motor and does just fine lol. This dude tuned the hell out of his Si with full bolt ons, nitrous, and E85. I’m surprised it didn’t happen sooner

    • @thefoatmedia
      @thefoatmedia  Před rokem +11

      It was a matter of time. FYI Si race cars definitely mess up too, some just don’t share it. This is racing. Race, break, repeat.

    • @dialedmedia_
      @dialedmedia_ Před rokem

      I agree that any stock sports car is amazing to drive.

  • @TheKingkingg
    @TheKingkingg Před rokem +1

    2 different prices and target market as well as purpose by same manufacturer giving full range great engineering, fun and excitement and best fuel economy with top class reliability.

  • @fhowland
    @fhowland Před rokem +1

    Guess this answers whether the new turbo Hondas will be as reliable as the old na ones..

  • @jasonmitchell5215
    @jasonmitchell5215 Před rokem +1

    Do you mind to share all of the current motor mods minus the bigger turbo? I’ve modded mine and now I’m nervous about it. I have the TSP1 tune and full PRL IC kit with HVO. I have the RV6 flywheel, exedy stage 1 clutch, PRL catted downpipe/front pipe in the garage to install. Going to get the HVI system when it drops then have Derek dyno tune it. Will I be in danger with that stuff and a tune? I’m not tracking it and I don’t rag the hell out of it.

    • @robertwynn916
      @robertwynn916 Před rokem +1

      I’m in the same boat. 😬

    • @jasonmitchell5215
      @jasonmitchell5215 Před rokem

      @@robertwynn916 I played it safe. Took the tune off and returned the parts. Looks like we may also have a steering rack issue that’s going to rear it’s ugly head soon. Lots of complaints about it recently.

  • @swissactiontv5128
    @swissactiontv5128 Před rokem +18

    Please keep us updated when you take the engine apart.

    • @thefoatmedia
      @thefoatmedia  Před rokem +5

      Be sure to subscribe

    • @doubledown8229
      @doubledown8229 Před rokem +6

      @@thefoatmedia
      Please film every aspect, and give us your thoughts on what role the previous turbo played in the failure.

  • @kidstarr100
    @kidstarr100 Před rokem

    That’s why I’m moving from my Si, it just isn’t the best with power mods. Hopefully trying to grab a MK8 Golf R.

    • @jamartin005
      @jamartin005 Před 11 měsíci

      8th and 9th gen si will make the best power once boosted

  • @dougritter429
    @dougritter429 Před rokem +1

    Honda made the L15 for fuel economy. The 10th gen had oil dilution problem. 11th gen L15 is not that different from 10th gen L15. It is a waste of time modding the L15.

  • @A-GoldenBar
    @A-GoldenBar Před rokem +1

    All that modification honda is doing to the fl5 to track it. Make so sense for the money. It's best I buy an m2 and do regular oil change and swap the rims/tires on track day.

  • @IntegraDIY
    @IntegraDIY Před rokem

    Time for a k20c1 complete change over swap 😳

  • @jeremyarguellesbullfrogend624

    I through a rod in my 2017 Honda Civic SI- 27WON TURBO, CAI, INTERCOOLER, HONDATA, FLEX FUEL- USED ALMOST 100% ETHANOL SOMETIMES- Too much power for the little 1.5

  • @alexisgueits7684
    @alexisgueits7684 Před rokem +6

    Sorry man... I think that I just erased the Civic SI and the Acura Integra from my possible car list 🤷🏽‍♂️. I believe that I will be staying with the VW gang, GLI seems the way to go under $32k. I have a 2016 GTI, so I know how powerful these engines are with a tune and a few bolt ons (I am actually IS38). I wanted to try Honda but they dropped the ball with this super small 1.5 engine, with a bunch of aftermarket parts, tune, etc, you were only 252 to the wheels. I am still interested, keep us posted in the rebuilding process 👍🏾

    • @A_Guy123
      @A_Guy123 Před rokem +1

      Mk8 GTI here, loving the thing with some simple bolt ons. Just waiting for a tune

    • @alexisgueits7684
      @alexisgueits7684 Před rokem +1

      @@A_Guy123 Downpipe and stage 2 is the best upgrade! I am actually IS38 now, that will be your next step... It becomes a monster when you are pushing it, but when cruising it's like a normal car. 98k miles on my GTI since 2016 (360 whp) a modest hp number, people go crazy and tune them to 400+hp.

    • @ciello___8307
      @ciello___8307 Před rokem +2

      i mean, most people won't be pounding it on track like they did here.

    • @alexisgueits7684
      @alexisgueits7684 Před rokem

      @@ciello___8307 you are right as well... 👍🏾

    • @thefoatmedia
      @thefoatmedia  Před rokem +2

      Lots of variables. As always, we recommend if you’re concerned about reliability and warranty don’t modify your car. Even then you’re still not safe, that’s why we have Lemon Laws. Lol

  • @beexiong2995
    @beexiong2995 Před rokem +1

    Ecobox tuned to produce more power it can handle equals kaboom. A ticking time bomb. All that money thrown into a car that doesnt deserve it, you could have a really good true sports car or vehicle that is faster haha

    • @dougritter429
      @dougritter429 Před rokem

      Yeah, blindly throwing $ at an econobox is stupid. Just buy a real sports car. Si is tuned to save gas from the factory. Stock internals are not forged.

  • @ChristianGarcia-kw9zx
    @ChristianGarcia-kw9zx Před rokem +5

    I have a 23 si in transit I planned to build it with bolt ons now I’m a little worried… GR 86 maybe :(

    • @robertblack6630
      @robertblack6630 Před rokem +3

      Gr 86 has many other issues right now with blowing up. I'm mean it's a Subaru motor 🤷

    • @lilialedesma3215
      @lilialedesma3215 Před rokem

      Get another car

  • @vincesanity27
    @vincesanity27 Před 10 dny

    what was the 4 things he changed first on the type? couldn’t catch the last two. Suspension, brakes and what’s the next two?

  • @deansmith9116
    @deansmith9116 Před rokem +1

    Will be watching too see what happened...Would think the 11th gen should better if not stronger then 10th.... Maybe turbo upgrade and tune tòo much for stock engine..?????🤔🤔🤔

    • @robertblack6630
      @robertblack6630 Před rokem

      Running ethanol on the 1.5t si or 2.0t Fk8 will always end up causing a rod to go.

    • @deansmith9116
      @deansmith9116 Před rokem +1

      @@robertblack6630 Is there a fine line with the tune that will cause this… With more conservative tune been a , how should I say More Lasting Out Come??

  • @chrispurcell3671
    @chrispurcell3671 Před rokem +7

    I feel bad, but this is why I keep my k20 in my 8th Gen si

    • @Fatmouse25
      @Fatmouse25 Před rokem +1

      Same. I'm thinking of Hyundai N because of that if it's going to blow might as well have fun instead of L15s.

    • @fhowland
      @fhowland Před rokem

      Same. About to hit 100k on my 08 coupe. It’s been my daily since 2009.

    • @savethemanuals1597
      @savethemanuals1597 Před rokem +1

      I had an Acura rsx type s, awesome car. No issues. I drove the $%#@ out of that car on a daily basis. Sold it ( kids) with 256k. Will miss it's character

    • @chrispurcell3671
      @chrispurcell3671 Před rokem

      @@fhowland my 08’s got 94k on it

    • @thefoatmedia
      @thefoatmedia  Před rokem

      Don’t feel bad, We don’t. This is all part of the game. The 8th gen is a great car. We sold one a few years back. What’s done to it?

  • @mohammadabdullahkhan360

    Glad i got the K2OC2 (2.0l)

  • @arwilliams4023
    @arwilliams4023 Před rokem +7

    god damn man I'm 3 months into my new Si should i be worried? too late I'm worried

  • @nathankendall3467
    @nathankendall3467 Před rokem

    Best two out of three.

  • @jeremyarguellesbullfrogend624

    GREAT VIDEO-Find a way to show the MPH/RPM please SIR :)

  • @aaronm8725
    @aaronm8725 Před rokem

    Was the si tuned? That made it blow up

  • @tonytbird9457
    @tonytbird9457 Před rokem +1

    Idk why Honda went with the L series for the civic si they should have just kept it k series even if it was a na k series

  • @TheHelloImTom
    @TheHelloImTom Před rokem

    hope warranty can replace doubt it tho

  • @andrewb325
    @andrewb325 Před rokem +6

    I'm going to take a wild guess before even watching that it wasn't the Type R motor that blew

    • @thefoatmedia
      @thefoatmedia  Před rokem +1

      Lol great guess. Hope you still watched it.

  • @njalsten6766
    @njalsten6766 Před rokem

    Ososik they should call you pionier of Si generations.... sisepuede ✊

  • @weduhpeople8504
    @weduhpeople8504 Před rokem

    If only you have access to 5 Spoon motors! Oh wait don’t you? 😅

  • @Rinop321
    @Rinop321 Před rokem

    Wonder if the rod bolts let go. Thinking of putting arp in mine 🤔

  • @xout1990
    @xout1990 Před rokem

    The hood off would have helped a lot

  • @cielo20
    @cielo20 Před rokem +1

    the problem here is not the cc of the engine it doesnt matter if its a 1.5 ltrs or a 1.3 ltr , its what it was designed for and in this case it was economy. toyota did a 1.5ltr which people are pushing out 500 bhp from it but it was designed as a race engine not being just a yaris 1.5 engine and put boltons to push 300bhp . Im sure if honda designed a 1.5ltr race engine it could be pushed way above the 300bhp just the one in the Si is not built for that .

    • @thefoatmedia
      @thefoatmedia  Před rokem +3

      Exactly. Our full race 1.5T engine package makes over 800hp. It’s in our 10th gen civic si.

    • @cielo20
      @cielo20 Před rokem

      @@thefoatmedia ❤️❤️ wow 800bhp from a 1.5 ltr sounds crazy

  • @raymondtang1262
    @raymondtang1262 Před rokem

    Dam. This sux.. Sorry to hear. What was the engine mod?

  • @Silverbulletdc5
    @Silverbulletdc5 Před rokem +8

    This mad me not happy with my 2022 si 🥺

    • @gl00merz
      @gl00merz Před rokem

      same - yet ive ripped it out of the box to 120mph constantly, this was a fluke

    • @thefoatmedia
      @thefoatmedia  Před rokem +1

      Still a great car but ultimately if you want the best reliability, leave your car stock or be prepared to pay to play.

  • @Ooooozer321
    @Ooooozer321 Před rokem +19

    Well I guess it’s better to not go crazy modding the Si…

    • @lennytate4246
      @lennytate4246 Před rokem +6

      Hondas went to shit recently. I worked at a dealer the cvt's are killing themselves at 50k the 1.5t's are blowing up. The new accord is hideous (2023 model hybrid only shit can)

    • @ROBMACDUI
      @ROBMACDUI Před rokem +2

      @@lennytate4246 It boggles my mind why manufacturers choose these transmissions, especially Honda. To make it worse some even put a tow rating on these things. They have single handedly ruined the reputation of various manufacturers.

    • @ROBMACDUI
      @ROBMACDUI Před rokem +5

      This specific vehicle was running nitrous prior to having issues.

    • @mutantboy8888
      @mutantboy8888 Před rokem +1

      @@ROBMACDUI Thank you for Clarifying that fact!

    • @Ooooozer321
      @Ooooozer321 Před rokem

      @@RoadKiller114 if only the base sedan had the manual option…………..

  • @dTheHammerb
    @dTheHammerb Před rokem +1

    Honda should be absolutely ashamed of what they've done to their supporters who've given them the success to where they are today. Absolutely disgusting how they're tyrannically pushing electric vehicles.

  • @jeffreycormier3864
    @jeffreycormier3864 Před rokem

    Counts as a win, limits reached lol

  • @lostboysrideordie
    @lostboysrideordie Před rokem

    Honda HPD crate engine 1.5L $5k, built 1.5L budget break down or smog legal Type R conversion!

  • @destruxandexploze2552

    That engine blew up trying to make Altima 3.5 whp lol

  • @BeastFromTheEast79
    @BeastFromTheEast79 Před rokem

    Why is this Semi Pro on this video 😂😂😂 He’s killing the Ososick Vibes. Even The Boys at Grand Tour are cringey over this video.. 💀💀

  • @AlexP-yb7gh
    @AlexP-yb7gh Před rokem

    You should look into a new type R engine swap

  • @racereadypowerhouse
    @racereadypowerhouse Před rokem

    Damn in Canada we don’t fear emissions like you lol. I saw pure fear in your face! 😂

  • @imranscarvideos
    @imranscarvideos Před rokem +5

    Coming from a former 10th gen si owner, the L15 is a garbage motor. Reason why I wouldn’t buy another si again

    • @thefoatmedia
      @thefoatmedia  Před rokem

      We have 2 10th gens, so we definitely knew this was bound to happen, unless it’s build properly. It seems that the 11th gen is weaker.

    • @thefoatmedia
      @thefoatmedia  Před rokem

      What do you have now?

    • @RAY_FILET
      @RAY_FILET Před rokem

      Could be right but what's your justification for saying that? Other dude just claimed it's weaker than the 10th gen after testing...wait for it...one 11th gen engine. You both seem very credible. You do realize that Honda didn't intend for you pretend to be engineers, as is typical with your demographic.

    • @imranscarvideos
      @imranscarvideos Před rokem +1

      @@RAY_FILET bro these engines are ass, I don’t know what to tell you

  • @djrez2107
    @djrez2107 Před rokem +1

    I remember sending a rod through the block on a Prelude motor. It looked like a bullet went through a heart with the oil pulsing out the hole LOL truly sad

  • @polkmyster7781
    @polkmyster7781 Před rokem

    A did not finish is not a loss. I have been waiting forever on PRL want to sale me some of your bolt ons lol. Im excited to see the tear down see if the bigger turbo is what initially cooked the rods sorry brother but I know you will come out even better in the end my money was on your si.

    • @thefoatmedia
      @thefoatmedia  Před rokem

      Thanks for watching. This was actually the stock turbo detuned because we wanted to see how it would do against a stock FL5. With the PRL prototype turbo (if the motor last), it for sure makes more power than the FL5.

    • @cielo20
      @cielo20 Před rokem

      @@thefoatmedia but is that fl5 stock against si motor full bolt ons +tune ?

    • @marionsanpedro277
      @marionsanpedro277 Před rokem

      @@thefoatmedia that is sad if thats the case.

  • @Lino91TV
    @Lino91TV Před rokem

    Not even a lap time 😂? Dai was like Not my Fault 😅

  • @illdaddyrod
    @illdaddyrod Před rokem +1

    Still don't see the point of modding a car with 200hp. Waste of money.

  • @BulliKid
    @BulliKid Před rokem +1

    Anotha one bites the dust

  • @ryanb8736
    @ryanb8736 Před rokem +1

    It’s a 1.5. What do you expect? It’s not a race engine. They are only reliable stock and still nothing is bulletproof.

  • @Civic8000rpm
    @Civic8000rpm Před rokem

    It shouldn’t have blown time to holler at the tuner 😅

  • @dinkleberg2013
    @dinkleberg2013 Před rokem +5

    There are plenty of people running 350-400 whp with stock internal L15s with very few reliability issues. In this case I'd almost want to blame poor tuning and not managing torque properly.

    • @thefoatmedia
      @thefoatmedia  Před rokem +6

      We’re one of those people, but that’s with 10th gen Civic Si. We also have the highest Hp L15 and have been one of the pioneers in modifying/tuning the new Honda L15 platforms. As for tuning it’s subjective because we shouldn’t have to manage the torque at such low power levels. You are correct though if someone’s scared of breaking, torque is what causes it and they can manage it through Hondata…but why would we limit ourselves? That’s the point of building to push limits. We have ran 400trq on stock 10th gen motors and would daily drive them for years without issues with the same tuning strategy…All The Torque! Of course with that comes disclaimers like, be prepared for this lol.

    • @dinkleberg2013
      @dinkleberg2013 Před rokem +1

      @@thefoatmedia wasn't this car previously on big turbo and e85 and stuff? Do you think the fact that it lasted less than a lap indicates that the damage was already done from the previous mods rather than the current power level causing it?

    • @brisevans8976
      @brisevans8976 Před rokem +3

      L15 motors are not built to last period... not capable of withstanding hard rips and definitely not track ready. My D16 would’ve last longer than an L15. Modded or stock

    • @dinkleberg2013
      @dinkleberg2013 Před rokem +2

      @@brisevans8976 you're just repeating the same nonsense that gets proliferated on the internet without any actual knowledge or experience. If you have the right supporting mods and your tuner actually knows what they're doing, ie dialing back torque especially at low RPMs, paired with regular maintenance, using good oil, etc.. they can be super reliable. The one in the vid has been tuned very aggressively with no intent to actually make the engine last as long as it should. I suggest reading 27won's blog post about safe HP numbers with the L15

    • @brisevans8976
      @brisevans8976 Před rokem +2

      @@dinkleberg2013 the fact you hit me with the I’m just talking out my ass “without knowledge or experience” is all I need to hear. My D16 would actually have lasted longer than the L15 and that’s off factual knowledge and experience my friend. Have a good one

  • @Dj_Not_Nice
    @Dj_Not_Nice Před rokem

    Guy really ask if the engine is in the back? 😂

  • @g0d182
    @g0d182 Před rokem

    Sorry for the loss bro

    • @thefoatmedia
      @thefoatmedia  Před rokem +1

      Thanks, this is all part of the game.

    • @g0d182
      @g0d182 Před rokem

      @@thefoatmedia Welcome bro. Before you turned down to 252 whp, when you had 322 hp/341 tq 2 weeks ago, did you run the car often with that older config?

  • @Deftonic101
    @Deftonic101 Před rokem +8

    Engine breakdown plz

    • @chrish8487
      @chrish8487 Před rokem +2

      I agree. Curious to see what failed.

    • @jrkustomz5538
      @jrkustomz5538 Před rokem +2

      @@chrish8487 a rod. That's what an engine window is. A rod out the block. The e85 and bigger turbo is what did it.

    • @chrish8487
      @chrish8487 Před rokem

      @@jrkustomz5538 I could see a rod giving out, especially with higher torque at lower RPM.

    • @thefoatmedia
      @thefoatmedia  Před rokem +2

      Stock turbo. We swapped back and detuned. The 10th gens definitely lasted at this power level compared to everything we’ve done with the 11th gen. We will be tearing apart soon.

  • @antiflg530
    @antiflg530 Před rokem

    Does Honda pro Jason seem like maybe not the person we might think he is? Watching him interact with people sure gives off not a good vibe man.

  • @aerjefe
    @aerjefe Před rokem +1

    Never buy the first year of a new generation that’s when all the problems are discovered…. My 2018 civic si coupe is still running strong with FBO mods….L15 motor is good on 10th gen.

    • @thefoatmedia
      @thefoatmedia  Před rokem +3

      That’s exactly why we buy them. We got two 10th gens when they first came out and our R&D plays a key role with developing that platform.

  • @Reptillian909
    @Reptillian909 Před rokem +1

    These new Hondas are built different

  • @cacolargo
    @cacolargo Před rokem +5

    Put a k20a and call it a day👌

    • @dougritter429
      @dougritter429 Před rokem

      You will not be CARB compliant. You will have to go to a referee station. Waste of time.

    • @claudio_wrx
      @claudio_wrx Před rokem

      @@dougritter429 he can put a K20C1 and be CARB compliant, since he’ll still technically have a Civic engine

  • @danielcofield7195
    @danielcofield7195 Před rokem +1

    What caused it to blow?

    • @dougritter429
      @dougritter429 Před rokem

      The internals can not handle an additional 100 hp.

  • @dylanfrye6188
    @dylanfrye6188 Před rokem

    It's no contest

  • @racerinthe805
    @racerinthe805 Před rokem

    Each spoon sticker immediate 20 horsepower each..

  • @greezay
    @greezay Před rokem

    Title should have been "2022 Civic Si | Motor Blows on Track!"

  • @daltondeckwa3768
    @daltondeckwa3768 Před rokem

    22 Si with 16k miles pushing 22psi on everything stock but a tsp ktune and its redline all day long no problems whatsoever

    • @thefoatmedia
      @thefoatmedia  Před rokem

      That's great. Motors will definitely last longer with less power.

  • @saltycanadian6190
    @saltycanadian6190 Před rokem

    Wow I thought my EA888.3 was a bad engine.
    I make double the power on a stock bottom end. My Audi is FBO e85.
    Did you forget to shove in some injectors or is the L15 really that shit?

  • @RICARD01
    @RICARD01 Před rokem +1

    Oh look...
    Its HondaProDickhead!

    • @claudio_wrx
      @claudio_wrx Před rokem

      He did seem like a dickhead here tbh, he had that “I got the new Type R, I’m the top dog” attitude in this video.

    • @RICARD01
      @RICARD01 Před rokem

      @@claudio_wrx yup. That's how he walks around ALL the time. Dude has less than 200k subs. Lol. Settle your tiny ass down. Haha.

  • @MOEvStudios
    @MOEvStudios Před rokem

    Oh well I guess time to swap to k24 and destroy that Type R? 🙃

  • @xabysebastian529
    @xabysebastian529 Před rokem +1

    Have you noticed any difference in internals between 10th gen and 11th gen si?

  • @WrxJapanguy
    @WrxJapanguy Před rokem

    Damn man shits got me sketched out I’m running hondata map carb 1 I run it pretty hard

  • @leatherneck75
    @leatherneck75 Před rokem

    I own a 2019 Si with the following mods:
    rv6 retro flywheel paired with fk8 stage 1 clutch kit
    PRL stainless steel clutch line
    PRL intercooler with charge pipes
    PRL cobra street intake
    PRL high volume catted downpipe
    AWE touring exhaust with front pipe
    Hasport 70a rear motor mount
    Eman's kzcmc clutch master cylinder
    Unity Performance sequential side markers
    Ktuner with phearable 1.5 Race tune.
    3k miles so far with all the mods and tune, praying I don't blow my engine.

  • @arvandero
    @arvandero Před rokem +1

    Gone In 30 Seconds!

  • @matteugenio
    @matteugenio Před rokem

    This is very concerning. Honda needs to look into this and improve the L15. Yikes.

    • @weduhpeople8504
      @weduhpeople8504 Před rokem

      First the motor has to be torn down and the data log has to be looked at to determine what exactly is the achilles heel.

  • @jonchapman8344
    @jonchapman8344 Před rokem

    L15 has tiny rod bolts among other things. Its a fuel efficient engine not for racing. Well you can but prepare to spend some money. Well a lot 😂

    • @thefoatmedia
      @thefoatmedia  Před rokem

      We have a 800+ Hp and a 350hp L15 10th gen…so we’re prepared lol. It’s actually not a lot of $$ when you have the recipe.

  • @LexxLuther100
    @LexxLuther100 Před rokem +1

    That engine wasn’t made to be pushed like that. Too small of a displacement. 2.0 or higher anyday

    • @Sumdumdad
      @Sumdumdad Před rokem

      This is an ignorant statement.
      Displacement does not dictate engine longevity or capability. This is an issue with this particular engine's design.

    • @dougritter429
      @dougritter429 Před rokem

      Accord Sport 2.0T K20c4 does not blow up with mild mods.

    • @Sumdumdad
      @Sumdumdad Před rokem

      @@dougritter429 Last I checked, the K series and L series were completely different engines.
      The L series is weaker because of how it was designed, not because it has smaller displacement.
      Don't be daft.

  • @yovanigramajo4632
    @yovanigramajo4632 Před rokem +1

    I just bought a 22 si because of Nick lol and now he broke his

    • @thefoatmedia
      @thefoatmedia  Před rokem +1

      Lol but if you watch the videos we say the motors won’t last of you start pushing them

  • @bmlove81
    @bmlove81 Před rokem

    So let me get this right. The engine blew, because it has too much power after modification. Not because it's the 1.5t, correct?🤔

    • @thefoatmedia
      @thefoatmedia  Před rokem

      Too much power for a stock 1.5t yes. Our built 1.5t can hold over 500. Our drag set up makes 800+ but that’s a ticking time bomb as well….maybe because so far the latest changes, it’s still holding.

  • @artisanwolf2068
    @artisanwolf2068 Před rokem

    Were you still on the stock oil pump? My guess as to why it eventually blew.

    • @Touge1211
      @Touge1211 Před rokem

      Has nothing to do with a crappy design all honda were trackday cars i guess they are getting shittier

    • @artisanwolf2068
      @artisanwolf2068 Před rokem

      @@Touge1211 well he’s running bolt ons and a tune, something the car wasn’t designed for from the factory so I wouldn’t call that faulty design necessarily. If it was just straight up bolt ons, it was a ticking time bomb. Most motors are.

    • @thefoatmedia
      @thefoatmedia  Před rokem +1

      Exactly ticking time bomb since the motor was stock.
      We’ve said this in pretty much all our videos.

    • @artisanwolf2068
      @artisanwolf2068 Před rokem

      @@thefoatmedia I just stumbled across your channel and this was the first video of yours I’ve ever seen so I wasn’t aware of how long you’ve been running your setup on your L15. But yeah. Sounds about right, and the numbers are pretty impressive for just bolt ons.
      I really want to see the tear down!

    • @thefoatmedia
      @thefoatmedia  Před rokem

      @@artisanwolf2068 Well thanks for viewing, hope we gain a subscriber. We are already tearing down. The video should be up this week.

  • @XGen_23
    @XGen_23 Před rokem

    My 2018 Si engine blew at the track too. L15 Series are unreliable engines.

  • @DOOMLORDHOKAGE
    @DOOMLORDHOKAGE Před rokem +6

    Damn me being on the verge of selling my 8th gen si with a K20 for a newer Si or type R just stopped me dead in my tracks. Those engines are...disappointing

    • @RSX250
      @RSX250 Před rokem +5

      @Hula ChiChi What?

    • @Bbc418
      @Bbc418 Před rokem

      @Hula ChiChi never had any issues with my 10th gen, 11th gen not that great

    • @CockyBallyTorture
      @CockyBallyTorture Před rokem +7

      @Hula ChiChi The new 1.5 isn't weak in the Si by any means. The engines are still practically built the same. Ethanol increases cylinder pressure and increases bottom end torque tremendously. The torque curve is too aggressive and bends rods / wears out the main bearings too quickly. You can run a bigger turbo on these 1.5's and get more reliability. run bigger turbo on 93 or high octane versus driving stock turbo with ethanol

    • @FB6K24Z7
      @FB6K24Z7 Před rokem

      ​@Hula ChiChi older generation k20z3 with a turbo blows away the new K20C turbo the older motors cylinder head flows way better and it has more potential people who build these engines like 4 piston racing even they say that themselves

    • @DOOMLORDHOKAGE
      @DOOMLORDHOKAGE Před rokem +2

      Not really commenting on the build quality per se but they seem a lot less fun than my K20Z3 and they seem to not be able to take the same kind of abuse.

  • @omarmedina9589
    @omarmedina9589 Před rokem +7

    Kinda sucks to know that my motor will eventually blow up when I try to add 100hp

    • @ROBMACDUI
      @ROBMACDUI Před rokem

      Add over 50% more power and torque to any car and be prepared for failures.

    • @mogulme6190
      @mogulme6190 Před rokem +4

      @@ROBMACDUI not true

    • @ROBMACDUI
      @ROBMACDUI Před rokem

      @@mogulme6190 Absolutely true. All vehicle components have an acceptable variance for strength/measurents etc. Manufacturers have to keep power at a certain level to account for those vehicles with weaker components and is why some cars of the same make and model can handle a lot more power and some fail with relatively low additional power. Also, it's not just the engine. All of the powertrain components need to be able to handle the additional stress. Because of this you are always taking a risk for failure when adding power to any vehicle. Of course some tolerate it better than others but it's still a risk.

    • @i_want_a_day
      @i_want_a_day Před rokem

      @@ROBMACDUIjust change the internals

    • @ROBMACDUI
      @ROBMACDUI Před rokem

      @Tutturu If the engine was the only part of the equation, then sure, but adding that much more power to the engine will also require that every other component can handle it. Transmission, differential, clutch, cooling system, axles, etc. Don't think there was any year civic that didn't hit a transmission torque limit pretty quickly. If you want reliable power, either pay the price of upgrades or simply buy a platform built from the factory to handle it.

  • @MrAsh-cw5cq
    @MrAsh-cw5cq Před rokem

    Put a k20 in there

  • @JFomo
    @JFomo Před rokem

    14:38 Just how blacked out are your windows. That can't be legal.

  • @g_rey8521
    @g_rey8521 Před rokem

    Don’t know if you should be running 85 with the extra boost. A stock si needs 90. I have a 23 si and I put 89 in it. I don’t really push it at all, and I Don’t really plan on modding it that much. Maybe just a new intake and exhaust. But I’m not messing with the engine. I daily drive it and don’t want to blow it up. But you should’ve at least ran 89. If I were you, I would’ve ran 93, fck it.