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- It is 45 years since Turkey and Greece came to blows in Cyprus, and the island remains physically and politically divided - not least by a wall that cuts through the capital, Nicosia. But a new generation of conscientious objectors are risking prison - and the scorn of their elders - by refusing to take up arms against each other
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How do you do a whole show on Cyprus and not mention that it was a British colony? Like many British colonies there was a very badly executed transition to independence resulting in war.
Walrave thé British are behind all of this. Because they gave more rights and privileges to some certain group of people....
Except that's not what happened at all. Turkish invasion happened after the brits left.
@@jordanpearce1947 the point is that Cyprus had intercommunal violence before the 1974 invasion as a result of British policies (divide and rule). That's why the peacekeeping force has been in Cyprus since 1963. Many Turk Cypriots recieved police, government, and better positions in order to keep Greek Cypriots down low enough that they wouldn't have the power to successfully revolt. It was a colonial tactic used in Lebanon and Rwanda causing violent ethnic and religious clashes. Cyprus experiences both ethnic and religious differences along with a heap of social and political issues that logic places blame on Turkey. Treaty of Guarantee was used as a ploy to Turkey's advantage where it abused its rights as a guarantor and exceeded limits implemented to avoid Cyprus from spiraling into conflict. On the other end, Greek Cypriots felt it was counter productive and unrealistic to give so much power to a small minority causing amendments to the constitution that favored Greek Cypriot policies further straining relations between the two groups. The was also enosis and other foreign interest that caused and halted the issues. Security guarantees are the biggest issue that keeps halting any peace agreement that would see a unified Cyprus without illegally occupation. I believe the treaty allows for either 650 or 950 Turkish soldier on Cyprus not the up to 30,000 believed to be present.
The history is older than the problems the British caused but Britain has also strived in recent years to create a peace even if it meant the United Kingdom relinquishing its guarantor status while ceding some territory possessed in Cyprus if it were to help produce a viable peace.
Jordan Pearce, British were part of that reason with poor relations, understanding of the two groups and bad administration. They also betrayed Cyprus, allowing a Turkish invasion. They did the same in India when they partitioned the land and abruptly left.
Κάποιος Παπακάπιου, British were always the problem in the 19th and early 20th century with their imperialism, colonisation and foreign interference. Now America has taken that role.
I am a Greek Cypriot, and looking the faces of the Turkish Cypriot guy's family, there are no difference, we have the same characteristics. Yes, we speak Greek and Turkish, but we are both CYPRIOTS.
The problem always are the goverments, not the citizens
@@admiral20055 There were tensions from both communities. Both sides killed, both sides did mistakes. Dont forget that the first one who died was a Greek-Cypriot, TNT killed him. And thats when everything started, all the killings started. Stop living in the past.
@@admiral20055 Turkey is a genocide denying/perpetrating state, read about the (pontic)Greek genocide, Armenian genocide and Assyrian genocide. The native peoples who lived in whats now called Turkey for 2,000 years before the central Asian turks descended out of the steppe.
@@tylerhill9510 same can be said over greece and armenia then
@@tylerhill9510 As long as you think this way, you cannot solve anything with Türkiye.
Visit Belfast - they literally have a dividing wall running through the city with gates that close at night.
Tiocfaidh ár lá!
@@kalanaherath3076 english man ,not chineese ,
@@cyservic It's Irish, genius
Why it’s all in Northern Ireland
Yes. When i found this video, my brain straightly went thinking of Northern Ireland.
At 01:49 it says that the North is mainly populated by Turkish Cypriots. FALSE. It is mainly populated by Turks from mainland Turkey. The Turkish Cypriot are a minority in the north part of the island.
Well said.
Exactly well said..and most of the Turks are sent by the Turkish goverment on purpose !
apollon1 unfortunately I agree with you government didn’t support the real Cypriots like us and they forced us to move different country like our second home land Uk 🇬🇧
So what, does the cyprus not from Greek then?
Mohd Azmin Ishak Cypriot only we’re tired to be called turkish or greek we’re not from mainlands so we’re only Cypriots to defend our country.
Not gonna lie, this massively disappointed me. Not even taking into account factual mistakes (Greece never militarily intervened in the island), nothing was actually said about the problem and how it arised
True but they did trained the rebellion solders and support the Coup.
@@jason4275 that had nothing to do with Turks though
I think the point was that to some people, those reasons don't matter. They're not interested in rehashing old arguments and want to move forward.
@@because_the_internet There's a difference between not stating some facts and stating incorrect facts.
@Donald Trump so you just accepted that our fight was right. Thanks pal
I now know much more about Cyprus than I did before. I appreciate this video, the differing viewpoints on the subject, and will now research more about Cypriot history and culture/s. Thank you.
Yes bringing people together and wanting peace is nice but i didnt see any words like "invasion", or "occupied" in the documentary. So lets not forget the reason why cyprus is divided, which was the Turkish invasion in 1974.
Or that it was part of the Ottoman empire. There is a mixed history on the island, there is no getting around that, but the people who live there today and tomorrow can have a better life if they think of themselves as simply Cypriot and not Greek or Turkish.
@@Jimmy4video there is a mixed history. But still. Cyprus was one and now its divided and occupied. My parents and grandparents where forced to leave their homes one day. We will not forget that. But still i give peace a chance, and i hope Cyprus is united but with a fair solution and i hope the world understands the injustice that happened in this island.
Andreas Avraam let’s cut the story short and stick to facts the Greeks firstly wanted the hole of Cyprus and wanted union with Greece so what the Greeks Cypriots started doing was killing the Turkish Cypriots from 1960s to 1975 until turkey come to help it’s brothers this is why cyprus is in the situation itis in
@@sunmoon7336 no no no. Helping its brothers out its one thing. But invading killing and occupying a country its not. Tell that to my parents whose house is taken and friends killed and raped. Be realistic. Yes mistakes where made by Greece but thats another story
Yeah and why did the invasion happen? Because the greeks started torturing the local turkish minority. You're lucky Nicosia didn't end up like Smyrna as retaliation.
Let's see what Turkey demands from the Cypriots in order to agree with the reunification of the island-state. It is easy to understand why Cyprus is still divided.
- only a part of the war refugees will be allowed to return back to their properties in the Nothern occupied part of Cyprus. The rest will stay in the free South and their properties will be given to Turk settlers.
- A part of the Turkish Army will remain forever on the island
- Turkey will keep its Guarantor rights over the island despite the fact that G.Britain and Greece don't want to be Guarantors of Cyprus anymore.
- The TurkCypriot community (18% of the island's population) will have a VETO power to all the decisions of Cyprus Republic
- The Presidency will change every 1 year between a TurkCypriot and a GreekCypriot
- Cyprus has to accept the Turkish Theory about maritime borders and she has to surrender a part of the Cypriot sea regions to Turkey
It is easy to understand that this "Deal" doesn't lead to an independent, normal and European Cyprus but to a puppet state of Turkey. Ankara spread the fairytale that the Turkish Army is on the island-state to protect the TurkCypriot community but the truth is that Ankara wants to have control over the island and doesn't care at all for an independent Cyprus.
Yeah sure but we all remember the Greek Cypriots trying to get rid of the Turkish Cypriots back in the day. Basically trying to cleanse the are of the Turkish Cypriots and wanting to unite with Greece with a coup backed by Athens.
A Turkish soldier never returns, forget this!
A veto is a very bad idea. They presented a similar idea for bosnia 3 presidents (one croat, one serb, one bosniak) each would with a veto. But since all 3 ethnicities hate each other they abuse this power to block one another. Because of that bosnia is the country with the highest unemployment in the entire world.
@@KadirAksu28 wrong. eoka b was after t cypriots, NOT the g cypriot community
@Mert Kocabaş the problem with your claim is that greeks have legal paperwork regarding their lands which turkey denies. during brittish rule turkish cypriots were actuall given many more rights, so im not sure whether brits gave more greeks lands as brits were more friendly towards turks. turkish cypriots deserve 20% governmrnt influence as that was their population percentage after cypriot independence.
Jerusalem exists. So it’s not the last divided capital. (THE TITLE SAID “in the world” BEFORE).
Also here in the UK we don’t recognise Jerusalem as the capital of anywhere.
Alan Hughes it’s been divided since 1967. The eastern part is currently occupied by Israel though. So both are under Israeli control. Still divided though.
Arguably it's not in Europe.
ᴅᴇᴀʀ ᴍʀ. ɪꜱᴀɪᴀʜ ᴅᴇʀɪɴɢᴇʀ; they fixed the title. It said “in the world” before.
Jerusalem is not divided anymore, It was divided from 48-67 however.
1:38 - The republic of Cyprus is the whole island, not just the "south". The "north" is illegaly being occupied by Turkey but that does not mean it's not part of the Republic!
[responding to a comment claiming that my comment represents the mindset that's keeping the island divided for 40 years and that EU funds are mostly utilised by Greek Cypriots] @@hg82met Just stating the facts. Said nothing about EU funds, you are probably right about that. The republic of Cyprus is the whole island, not just the "south". Turkey is illegaly occupying the island; that's also well established.
ευχαριστούμε που το επισήμανες
Andreas Hadji όντως, υπάρχουν πολιτικές ανακρίβειες στο βίντεο.
Πάλε καλά που εβρέθηκεν ένας νούσημος που να μεν κλαίει για τον στρατό τζαι να αναγνωρίζει πως τα κατεχώμενα εννεν χώρα.
Cyprus as one state is just a farce. A more radical version of Belgium IMO. Just divide it in two and hand over the Greek part to Greece and the Turkish part to Turkey. This will calm down the tension between Greece and Turkey and this will also end a big tax haven for Russian oligarchs.
Here’s what I struggle to get my head round. Those people on both sides who demand that everyone should be forced to do military service, do they really think it’s wise to have a significant portion of people in their military who are only there because they’ve been dragged into it? What use would such individuals be as soldiers in combat? If you’re going to have a military force then surely it makes more sense for every soldier in it to actually WANT to be there. Press ganging unwilling people into the army seems more spiteful and vindictive than militarily practical. I say this as someone who has done 10 years of military service (willingly).
They don’t really think about the big picture
Most countries rely on conscripts or else they would not have an army
I can't help but think that as the new generation get older, there will be a stronger chance for a peaceful, lasting reunification. Fingers crossed!
The situation will only change through war. Or there will be a reasonable Turkish president, which is pretty unlikely.
@@EndietheEnderman Maybe don't vote no next time there is a reunification referendum.
@@EndietheEnderman LOL maybe if Greece did not invade at first place and honor the agreement made by all parties, all this separation would not happen today . The rest of the world keep blaming Turks for what happen in Cyprus, but what I saw they just do the right thing to protect their people in cyprus from potential ethnic cleansing, like what happen in Bosnia.
@@EndietheEnderman The Turkish community agrees on Cyprus. In the war that will break out, everyone will send their children to war without whining.
Cyprus is still ruling by the superior powers. Divided and ruled. Let’s unite. Let there be peace.. Let Cyprus be a peaceful island!
Etsiiii! power to '' Just Cypriot '' movement coined now
I dont want to unite with you. Go live in your place
@@noftraX I respect your point. If there was slight appareance of an intellect and I’m living in my place that I assure you.
Not representative of the situation. Aims to appeal to a certain demographic. As someone living there, I have to say check your facts before you make a video like this and make sure you involve all relevant information instead of adding irrelevant information to make the video more “millennial” or “modern”. Try to show and tell the whole story instead of focusing only on certain aspects. If you want to educate people, do it well. Badly made. Plain and simple.
Can you be more specific as to what you find irrelevant / inaccurate ?
I don't think it's possible to tell the whole story and not focus on certain aspects. What do you mean by "certain demographic"?
I have been in Cyprus and the whole situation is simply absurd. Turkey should leave immediately the island.
I love this coutry(island)
I’m half Turkish Cypriot. I love Cyprus, have Greek Cypriot friends. Biggest problem to me is BOTH sides are still being fed stories from the past. It’s so past the time to move on it’s unbelievable. Neither side can claim to be the rightful owner, and both should stop using the flags of there “ motherlands “ and then say we’re equal. Seems like people on the outside looking in, can see it a lot clearer. Just my thoughts
Erman seems to be a very kind and smart guy. I really hope he is doing well. He has a bright future ahead. He's very handsome as well! 😉
Freedom to Cyprus 🇨🇾
Its already free
Nope
Freedom of whom?
@@oguzhan4792 not all
@@nestororiginal2344 why? There are to different state and there is no conflict since 1975 thanks to Turks :)
Kıbrıslı kardeşlerim her ne isterlerse özgüler. Biz yaninizdayiz. Ama yorumlarda bile bu kadar ırkçı Yunan varken bu pembe gözlükler, tekrar birleşme fikri vs yine büyük kayıplara sebep olur diye korkuyorum. ✌️🕊️
Türkiye kuzey kıbrısı kimseye bırakmaz korkma.
I am Greek, and I find the Greek Cypriot accent unique .Poor Cyprus torn apart and the young people forced to join military .I believe its possible to live in peace together both communities given a chance .
I thought mainland greek need to enlist too
@UNIVERSAL SPACE EXPEDITIONER Not any more, in Cyprus is 12 or 13 months , in Greece is 6 or 9 , not sure. In Greece is compulsory as well, but they have the choice to serve the army after there university studies.
@UNIVERSAL SPACE EXPEDITIONER I serve 24 months, I just replied to your "far-far-far". It's not that far-far-far anymore. Well it depends what period you are talking about, in Greece was 2 years as well. I briefer to go army first at the age of 18 personaly, instead go and to my studies and serve at the army at the age of 25 or so(it is compulsory)....Now that is only 14 months I easily choose how the sistem works in Cyprus.
Is easy, which one will one choose; Joy over rage and hope over despair?
The Turkish guy Erman looks like a young John landis
I am an Englishman from Liverpool (I have No regard for The Ex British Empier) what I love about this video is the younger people on both sides, have a more progressive peaceful forward thinking outlook ... that can only be positive for the future of the Island and all of the people.
Im Cypriot Turk i did my service im proud Militarist. If war broke out i will take my ATGM and G3. Not all Cypriot Turks are like him. 90% stand ready as reservist.
well done boy, old tanker Doğan from Turkey is always ready to come if a war outbreaks again!
go back to your country which is turkey. cyprus is greek
I live in Turkey and paying taxes to finance northern cyprus. I will do it to what ever it costs to prevent Enosis forever!
@@user-kr7qg4sn4i You are lucky that we don't kick you entirely.
First of all, for the Guardian, there is no northern Cypriot government. There is only one country in Cyprus and it is the recognized by every nation on the planet and it is the republic of Cyprus. Second as a young Cypriot who did his service in the military I believe that we still need it especially now with Turkey becoming more assertive and aggressive in the region. Now, i can relate to the ideological opposition of the military in every country or war between Greek Cypriots and Turkish Cypriots. This is the last thing I want. A war is only pain and death. My dream ever since I was a kid was to see my country reunited, and that definitely includes the Turkish Cypriots. We are more similar than you realize. Nevertheless, as long as the north part of my country is a puppet of Turkey the solution will not come. Turkey has become an authoritarian country with censorship on the press and a strong military industrial complex. They are becoming less democratic and more aggressive.History proved that those two don't go well together.
EOKA killed many Turkish Cypriots and tried to annex the island to Greece. Every side has faults Turkey is pretty aggressive yes but don't expect me to forget what EOKA did. hope everyone will admit their mistakes.
@@keller4276 Oh trust me I admit the mistakes my ancestors did and I know both sides were at fault, but not at the same extent. Turkey's only goal was to invade and annex the island, Greece had a military dictatorship at the moment and wanted to annex the island as well. Peace for the future.
@@keller4276 im sorry to say this chris but turks will take the whole island. with the green light of usa and russia. its all about money greeks will remain in cyprus but
under turkish rule. Erdogan has his eye on cyprus now
wheter you accept or not.. its there... turkish army is never going to pull back from cyprus... go complain to eu about that, as always.
@@chriscosta9248 Yes, the more powerful Turkiye becomes the Greeks should be worried.
You think Turks have forgotten what your ancestors did in the 19th century or ww1, Turkish war of independence and 1974 Cyprus?
Your ancestors attacked Turks when we was down now your worried Turks are becoming powerful? Yes be worried.
6:05 "having two different regions works"..
That poor old man.. Telling about how members of his family died in war, like we don't have families and we don't have fallens.. Saying nothing about the invasion and how they killed, raped and kicked Greek Cypriots out of there houses. I'm just telling this because both of my parents are from the illegaly occupied side and they lost everything, and i mean everything. All their properties is still there and the only thing that we can do is watching it while strangers living inside.
No pal, this may works for you but not for us.
What is the difference between that grandpa and you now? He talked about his loss and you talked about your loss... all we have to understand is BOTH SIDES LOST A LOT! ALL OF US!... so there is no difference between us. Why so much hate then? Don't you think that our properties also left on the Southside? My father is originally from Paphos and my mother is originally from Larnaca... but where do they live now? Degirmenlik/ North Cyprus. Let's just forget about the properties, can we? Love is what is important! We are all human! Let's just love each other!
Turkish Cypriots also left everything behind without ever looking back. Ask yourself why.
Wots da tune @ start?
So interesting to see both sides...thank you
Such a beautiful city with beautiful people
Can a tourist from India visit both the parts or only the Greek part? What about visas?
You can come by plane to the greek part and then you can cross borders to the "turkish part". But you can't take a direct flight to the "turkish part"
@@Vazel Thank you :)
Yes
There is no any state which is called as of "Cyprus"; the accurate name is "Greek administrated part of Southern Cyprus or South Cypriot regime.
Guess we are gonna have another Haiti/ DR situation.....
So, in your view, is Belfast not divided, or not a capital?
@m. were better off in the union
@m. that's not what occupation is, they governed there peacefully since Irish independence.
@@harry-matakios1344 The union will break soon with the Scots leaving soon...
How is Belfast divided? How can I find more information
@@fanis7891 irish nationalist and british unionist areas are divided with huge walls and gates that are closed at night to stop violence, id recommend watching a view videos about the troubles to get a better understanding
Ο ΚΑΙΡΟΣ ΓΑΡ ΕΓΓΥΣ!! Λίγος καιρός έμεινε ακόμη....
Για να μας παρουν και την Ρόδο μαζι με την υπόλοιπη Κύπρο;
@@PanosM21 Πολύ το θέλουν αλλά με την όρεξη θα μείνουν.....Λίγος καιρός έμεινε.....
@@despinasarra3101 Τι λιγος καιρος εμεινε ρε; Παμε καλα; Μη μου πεις οτι αναφερεσαι στις "προφητειες" μονο, σε ικετευω.
@@PanosM21 το τι πιστεύω , είναι δικό μου θέμα....Ο καθένας κάνει τις δικές του αναλύσεις ,εάν μπορεί να εκτιμήσει τα δεδομένα...Και μην μου ορμάς σε παρακαλώ...απο το πρωί τρέχω και τώρα κάθησα....
@@despinasarra3101 ε ωραια να σε ρωτισω μονο, πιστευεις οτι ο θεος που αφησε να σφαχτουν οι Έλληνες της μικράς ασίας και του Ποντου, θα φροντισει να παρουμε τωρα (οτι επεμεινε απο) την κυπρο;
Once again the British present this as an issue of conflict between so called Greek and Turkish Cypriot communities, that will be resolved if the two communities discuss and agree on a common path and cohabitating way of life. However the truth is that Turkey invaded and grabbed land from Cyprus, and still holds it illegally. The occupation is illegal under international law, amounting to illegal occupation of European Union territory since Cyprus became its member. This issue needs to stop being presented as one of conflict between two communities, otherwise it will never be resolved. The only possible solution is Turkey removes their army and returns the land back to the Republic of Cyprus.
Cyprus
I think in 2004 referendum, Turkish side said YES with 65%, Greek side said NO with 75%. There is a peace, not agreement in island😉.
Everyone talks about ''rights'' but very few talk about responsibilities.
Nobody should be forced to go into the military without their consent.
Belfast is still a tad divided by massive walls
Yup they'd forgot about Belfast
@@ONeill01 then again maybe they realise that the only capital city on the island of Ireland is Dublin! Belfast is more of a long term British Airbnb rental that has turned into a very very long term squatting problem
Brummie kel Just wondering, how come on BBC News and other popular News channels they call Ireland the island of Ireland? Why don’t they just call it Ireland or Southern Ireland?
you barely had image or interviews from the greek part.............
The fact that you make a video which leaves out important information as to why the status quo exists (e.g the fact that Cyprus was invaded by the Turkish army), shows a lack of professionalism and neutrality from the Guardian.
I'd say they left the invasion out because of neutrality. Greece wasn't quite a democracy back then neither, was it?
Or the fact that Greece tried to annex Cyprus by force and committed quite a few atrocities against the Turkish Cypriots and any Greek Cypriots who disagreed with it?
Open up a book and read history then. Greece had a junta government who supported Greek nationalists in Greek colony of Britain. UK released the nation and made both Turkey, Greece and UK as protector nations. When Turkey asked for international help and intervention against the mass murders and ethnic cleansing of Turkish settlements in Cyprus nobody cared for years. So Turkey used it's right to intervene. Despite getting trade restrictions from both NATO and Warsaw Pact.
looks like the korean DMZ
クスノギ كوسونوگي쿠수노기 yes Cyprus most likely will be partitioned like Korea a two state solution is the best solution the Greeks do not want to share the same land with the Turkish there is just too much hatred and animosity only a two state solution and permanent partition like Korea is the solution
@@SuperYAS111 or the turks just go back to mainland turkey? they are only 15% of the poppulation and control 35% of the land
@@fluggenn majority of the people living in north Cyprus are Turkish Cypriot and have nothing to do with southern Cyprus they also have there own leaders and President it’s Turkish Cypriots that control the north not Greek Cypriot demographically speaking Turkish Cypriots make up the majority population of north Cyprus and govern there own affairs
Θα πω μία πρωσοπική αποψή μόνο για τους ελληνοκύπριους που βλέπουν αυτό το video. Το να υπηρετήσεις στον στρατό γιατί είναι τόσο κακό; Ειλικρινά, αν γίνει δηλαδή πόλεμος τι θα κάνουμε; Δε λέω πως ο στρατός είναι ωραίος αλλά γιατί να το ρισκάρουμε; Κράτος με τους Τουρκοκύπριους προσπαθήσαμε να κάνουμε και δεν τα καταφέραμε. Πως θα πάρουμε πίσω τις πόλεις μας με τον διάλογο; Δε νομίζω. Οι τούρκοι θα κτυπήσουν όταν είσαι αδύναμος! Γιατί να τους ανοίξεις τον δρόμο;
Μπορεί να κάνω λάθος αλλά οι κύριοι κάνουν το στρατό στα 18 όχι σαν εμάς που περνούν παράταση για σπουδές άρα μπορεί γιατί ακόμα παιδιά είναι να μην νιώθουν τόσο έτοιμοι όταν μεγάλωνουν και όταν κάνουν τον στρατό πιθανότατα οριμαζουν
@@giannisdrou1199 ισχύει λίγο και αυτό
Τα πράγματα στην Κύπρο δεν είναι ακριβώς έτσι. Σε αυτό το κακό γυρισμένο βίντεο επέλεξαν ένα μαθητή ο οποίος ήταν εναντίον της ιδέας του στρατού (κυρίως για να παραπλανησουν το κόσμο κατά την άποψή μου).
Συγγνώμη, αλλά έχοντας υπηρετήσει και γω στην Εθνική Φρουρά, και όντας ακόμα υποχρεωμένος να παρευρισκομαι κάθε χρόνο ως έφεδρος μια με δύο φορές το χρόνο, πίστεψε με καμία ετοιμότητα δεν υπάρχει σε περίπτωση ένοπλης σύρραξης. Ο στρατός στην Κύπρο λειτουργεί απλά για το φαίνεσθαι, πρόκειται για ένα σάπιο σύστημα στελεχομένο από βολεμένους.
@@constantinossavva6656 λες και στην Ελλάδα είναι διαφορετικά τα πράγματα...
Καμία σωστή εκπαίδευση δεν γίνεται με όπλα απαρχαιωμένα g3 ενω υποτίθεται αγοράζουμε τόσα καινούργια.
Το μόνο που σου μαθαίνει ο στρατός σε γενικές γραμμές είναι να είσαι αγγαρειομάχος,να βάζεις βύσμα να έρθεις όσο πιο κοντά γίνεται και να πίνεις μπάφους.
Funny you don't talk about the Turkish occupation and how they destroyed half of the island by occupating it.
I live in south nothing destroyed 😙
I didn't expect this to be solely about conscientious objection, should have been stated in the title. Interesting nonetheless.
It's beyond any doubt that both sides in Cyprus need a military at this point in time, even the Republic of Cyprus. I frankly don't see a system where you can just pick and choose yourself if you go to the military or not, how is that fair for everyone else? If a small group refuses to enlist and they are allowed to walk free, then what is stopping everyone else from doing the same? A professional military would of course be a solution, however I do not think people understand quite how expensive and ineffective that is compared to mandatory conscription.
As someone why was in the military roughly two decades ago, through mandatory conscription, I can say that for the majority of the time it was productive and educational. It also most certainly prepares you for adulthood through responsibility and various skills that you will never learn within four walls in a city.
3:15 - it's not "inter-ethnic". The last genetic study has shown that the Greek and Turkish speaking Cypriots are genetically extremely close, almost identical and share more similarities than with their respective "mainland country" (Greek Cypriots with Greeks and Turkish Cypriots with Turks). So ethnically speaking, they are all Cypriots, I wouldn't refer to it as "inter-ethnic" conflict. The conflict is religion, language and politics-ideology. Not ethnicity.
Beirut is also one of the last divided cities in Europe. It technically functions as two ever since the war even if you can get from one part to another. The mentality and the way people behave solidifies that.
Lebanon is in West Asia not Europe. The only reason Cyprus is considered European, even though they are geographically not in Europe, is because Greeks pressured the EU into accepting the island into the union.
@@tugba9516 Looooool. Open a map and get educated. Lebanon is obviously IN Europe. This is a non-debatable fact. Asia is thousands of miles away and nothing related to Lebanon.
@@furn6341 What are you talking about? Anything East of the Marmara Straits and the Suez Canal and the Urals and is contigous to this landsmass is indisputably Asian. Asia is not 1000s of miles away in any shape or form.
@@furn6341 lol avarege european wannabe lebanese arab lol you are just arab in middle east. You have nothing to do with Europe.
There should be no borders anywhere on earth. The planet belongs to all.
How very sad.
When listening to Erman's grandfather makes me wanna shout...
Ok Turkish boomer!
Marcelo Carranza You clearly didn’t get anything about what the video was talking about, did you?
Dede (grandpa) is absolutely right, also to your knowledge Greek part denied the treaty on reunification. We shouldn't examine their patience anymore. More people on the island deny the Reunification than who want it.
@@scepticsquirrel so we should just accept whatever solution ? we would not accept anything that keeps turkish power over the island as u should not accept anything that keeps greek power over the island simple as that...
@@liverpool7775 Well, your accept or denial doesn't change the Turkish presence on north of island (not only military presence, because at the end military is there to protect Turkish civilian presence on island), also our denial on violation of Greek property rights doesn't change the situation of wrongdoing. We can have an agreement, we want Northern Cyprus to not be under blockade and enter international commerce in order to not be dependent on Turkey's money transfers, also you want a punishment for Turkey. It's not so hard to find a middle way on this.
@@scepticsquirrel mate i didnt say that i want a punishment of Turkey. And i am not saying about Turkey pressnce now. What i said is in case of a reunification both greek and turkish armies would leave the island and not have any claim if that wont happen then how we will become one nation?
In Europe? What kind of map are you using?
Cyrus is an EU member state lol
@@jank8041 but cyprus is not in europe 😗
@@mafiatr9392 It literally is tho.
@@jank8041 Cyprus is closer to 4 Asian countries than it is to Greece
@@jank8041 cyprus is in middle east, not europe.
Started crying around 8:00. did not know the efforts some people do in occupy part for unification. stay stong my neighbour cypriots.
Cyprus is part of Asia (geographically)...
Yosef147 I think they say that because Republic of Cyprus ( South Cyprus) became a EU member but even though it’s a EU state it’s not in the EU borders I think that’s what they need to understand
@@SuperYAS111 whats the difference ? I don't understand what is either to understand or not. The fact that we are not in any middle eat or asian cooperation is just that there is not any. Especially a middle East one ... Too much conflict for that but i would like to hope that in the future the situation will stebalize and we will have some sort of relationship that will benefit everyone in the region.
Hey
Δεν ξεχνώ!!!!!!
It's all geopolitics. Turkey wants to use the TRNC to command dominance in the Mediterranean, yet Israel & Egypt also want control of the seas. Turkey didn't invade Cyprus bc it cares about the Turkish people. It invaded because it thought it could force concessions from Cyprus after it won. 30+ years later, that didn't happen.
u dont know anything about it
Just reading about this last night on Wikipedia
@Football Always / كورة دائمًا grow up
Football Always / كورة دائمًا χεστήκαμε.
I had no idea this was STILL!
@Sultan Abdulhameed II Nope, North Cyprus is poor, South Cyprus is developed and the real Cyprus
Any news? I hope Erman is not in prison right now...
@Ercüment Çözer I am not familiar with the term, but I can imagine that you mean that he is not taking into consideration that not learning to defend your country and your loved ones is maybe inhumane also. Well, to be honest, even that does not remove from him the right to refuse to participate to something he fundamentally disagrees on. Also, unless if any family or society learns to deal with opinions different from their own then they do not really understand what humane is or isn't. So, maybe they should remain quiet.
it's all about geopolitics not racists
Basically northern Ireland
frek Cho actually more like Korea that’s what the future holds for Cyprus and Cypriots partition and two state solution basically a country within a country lol
Pakistan/India more like
But neither Ireland nor Ind/Pak have a divided city with a barricade through the middle of it with several checkpoints. There is even a workshop on the 'green line' the front half is in Lefkosia the back half is in Lefkoşa
This is what happens when British take care of the place.Mess up
Blaming the British , look in the mirror and see who caused the stuff up after the British left . Left Cyprus on the 27th day of July 1960 after serving at Episkopi Garrison . problems really started after Independence in1960 .
@@duncancallum Perhaps you should look in the mirror
I dont know whats the problem?
Greek Cypriots killed Turkish Cypriots for megalo idea of Greeks. And the other countries stopped this. And then they divided cyprus to two part. Turkish part and Greek part...
The island should be united again. Justice should be established for all of us Cypriots. We expect turkey to return back to it s mainland .
same should be applies to greece too
I love how both guys pronounce Nicosia differently lol ffs
Nicosia is the result of a misunderstanding of the Greek alphabet, mistaking a capital Lambda for the letter N. It is really Leukosia (Λευκωσία).
🇬🇷 Lefkosia
🇹🇷 Lefkoşa
Only in English it's different
Jerusalem?
[Mostly] not recognised as the capital.
Arguably not in Europe.
Nicosia!!
Cyprus 🇨🇾
Title is clickbait
How? I live here. It is divided.
@@eb1634 It's not the only divided city on Earth.
Why everybody thinks that All Cyprus must be one country ?
Does anybody thinks Turkey and Greece must be one country ?
If the border between Turkey and Grecee is not a problem, why the green line is a problem?
So why cant be 2 countries on the Island ?
@@MrX-sg6xj well, it seems case is not closed. Reality is not saying us what you say. You accept or not but there is another state in the north.
Nobody accepts the northern part as a state except Turkey... because it's illegal... therefore northern part has a hard time economically...
This seems a very “ok boomer” thing
3.52 is gold
Damn 5.44
in bosnia 90 of 100 towns are divided nothing different then in cyprus..........even worst..
Trust me its not wors
Exactly the Serbs control the so called republic of Srspka lol 😂 and Russia control Kaliningrad
Belfast ?
Andreas is so hot tho
Thank you Guardian for this great video. It is always nice to present both sides of the conflict and be objective about the Cyprus problem. I grew up in old Nicosia, and I hope the city (and the entire country), gets united one day.
Both sides? 2-3 minutes about the Republic of Cyprus and then over 10 minutes listening to some Turks. That’s definitely not objective
1- After conquered in 1571, Cyprus was
declared a province (Eyalet) of Turkey. Turks ruled the Island as part of the
Turkish Empire from 1571 until 1878. In 1878 Turks leased the Island to UK with
a convention. On 5 November 1914 the British abrogated the convention and
annexed Cyprus.
2- There has never been in Cyprus a
"Cypriot nation", what exists is two distinct peoples on the Island,
namely the Turkish Cypriots and the Greek Cypriots. This being so, any approach
to the Cyprus question which regards Cypriots as one nation is incorrect.
3- The partnership Republic formed in
1960 between the two peoples of Cyprus broke down in 1963 and since the Turkish
intervention in 1974 Greek and Turkish Cypriots live apart, each secure in its
own sovereign territory and each with its own customs, traditions and identity.
4- Two separate and sovereign states in
the Island is the best solution and it has already been achieved. What needs to
be done is to stop the international acceptance of the Greek Cypriot regime as
the government of all Cyprus and to recognize the Turkish Cypriot state in the
north as a separate and legal political entity.
5- The claim that the Cyprus problem
was caused by the landing of Turkish troops in 1974 and that if only they would
withdraw, the problem would be solved is not correct. This is a just a
misconception, for the Cyprus question began in 1960 and the landing of Turkish
troops was the consequence, not the cause, of the problem. In fact the legal
intervention of Turkey as a guarantor was and still is what stopped the
bloodshed in the island.
6- Turkey is not an invader in Cyprus
but the guarantor and the protector of the Turkish Cypriots. One should
question why the existence of Turkish troops disturbs Greeks and Greek Cypriots
so much yet neither are disturbed by the British existence. Furthermore they
invite other foreign powers too.
So by your logic a part of south africa belongs to uk becauss they conquer it once upon a time ?
Well said.
Wow it's like India & Pakistan?...
The Northern part yes but not the south part(greek)! Actually the southern part attracts million of tourists every year
@@Vazel Northern Cyprus has beautiful beaches, but they only attract tourists from Turkey because of embargo. J-Lo was planned to have a huge concert there but Greek lobby turned mad about it so she pulled back the plans.
The problem it's clearly people who still fight with ghosts, I mean just imagine all people were like the 2 kids that do not want to serve army, everyone would be peaceful, but still there are some fascists that want Cyprus to be either Greek or Turkish. Just unite, we are people, the war is over, just give peace a chance.
Correction: the south is "the government-controlled area of the Republic of Cyprus".
"Republic of Cyprus" and "EU" is legally the whole island.
Cyprus is in Europe?
Cyprus is an island in the Mediterranean Sea, that could be plausibly assigned to either Europe, Africa, or Asia, based on geography alone. Because of its historical connections to Europe, it is considered part of Europe.
Plz no China
its so funny when watching this video and realising a turk made it, so one sided!
Well done, Turkey. Without Turkish military, northern cypriots would have been massacred.
Nicosia is not the only divided city in the world. Jerusalem, Kashmir, Mitrovica, Bratislava. Though we offcourse would like all the disputes end in the world
not divided city but the last divided capital in Europe maybe?
@@Fluby05 Europeans should decide first to recognize the Turkish Republic of northern Cyprus as a separate country to call it as a divided Capital otherwise it's a half occupied capital city of the republic of Cyprus only. I would prefer it to be called as a divided Capital but There is a UN decision not to call the trnc as a separate country
Why Cyprus considered in Europe it's Asian as far as I know it more near to Asia than Europe
khaled Dekar
Cyprus is not considered a lot of times geographically in Europe. We are however culturally european. In any case, Europe and Asia are actually the same continent, eurasia.
There is no consensus in geogprahy community on borders of the continents. Most resources accept it European, though. Continents and regions are not inanimate structures, they are determined and shaped by political and social incidents and policies also.
Oğuz Yurtçu exactly.
So basically the people who made this were turks lol, so one sided!!!
I didn't know anything about this before watching the video and came out with a negative impression on both sides and the conflict as a whole
Just quick search will be enough for you to learn Cyprus conflict.After independence from Britain. President of Cyprus was Greek and Vice President was turkish. Just couple years after indepence They abolished rights that given turkish from constitution. Greek leaders worked for Enosis it means annexation island by Greece.They started violence against Turkish Cypriots they killed thousands of innocent people. At the end turkey did operation to Cyprus and rescued many lives
@@zekimelihmuti5501 "rescued many lives" while killing and displacing some thousands more .
Hatred amongst the younger generation of Turks and Greeks in Cyprus is at the highest level. In this clip, these two individuals are a very tiny minority. If ‘Green Line’ is abolished in Cyprus then bloodshed will follow. ‘Status Quo’ means peace and prosperity in Cyprus for both sides
This is the Turkish Myth in order for Turkey to keep its Army on the island-state and keep it divided. It is well known that Ankara wants to keep occupied Nothern Cyprus FOREVER so it is logic to spread fear to the citizens. An independent and united Cyprus is not a part of the Turkish Geostrategic interests. Everything has to do with Ankara and its interests in the Mediterranean, not with the TurkCypriots.
The young Generation hates the Turkish occupying Army, not their TurkCypriots bothers.
It seemed that Turkish Cypriots are under an obligation to remove the barrier and obey the Greek rules and the Greek Cypriots are immune from any liability. You mentioned the Greek version of the history , you should have not forgotten to mention the Turkish Cypriot version of the history .
Prior the Turkish invasion of 1974 & now illegal occupation of our island they were 18% Turks living in the island. Find me any country in the world that the 18% minority in a country wants to have the same power with the rest percent.
Turkish were forced to flee the country by Grecko Terrorist disobeying international treaty signed by UK, Greece and Turkey and most importantly another Bosnia kind of genocide had to be witnessed if Turkey would not came to save those innocent lives.
Turkish Cypriots had been given a larger share of governmental posts than the size of their population warranted. In accordance with the constitution 30% of civil service jobs were allocated to the Turkish community despite being only 18.3% of the population. Additionally, the position of vice president was reserved for the Turkish population, and both the president and vice president were given veto power over crucial issues.
Cyprus is Creece 🇬🇷🇨🇾
CYPRUS IS CYPRIOT.. KAI I GI INE STROGGYLI!!!
Lucas Luca ποσο μαλακας εισαι?
@@APOELPREZA μαλακας επδ η Κυπρος ειναι Κυπριακη, η Ιταλια Ιταλικη και η Ισπανια Ισπανικη? Τι να πω ρε φιλε αμα ειμαι μαλακας για αυτο παω πασο!!! Πλεον μας βρίζουν για τα αυτονοητα! Περαστικα!
Lucas Luca ρε ασιχτιρ κοροιδο που θα ανοιξουμε και διαλογο με κατι ανιστορητους σαν εσενα. τριζουν τα κοκκαλα των ηρωων μας που πολεμησαν για ενωση με την Ελλαδα και σφαχτηκαν απο τους Αγγλους. που να χτυπατε πανω κατω η Κυπρος ηταν ειναι και θα ειναι ΕΛΛΗΝΙΚΗ
@@APOELPREZA ΠΟΥ ΝΑ ΧΤΥΠΙΈΣΑΙ ΠΑΤΟΚΟΡΦΑ ΔΕΞΙΑ ΑΡΙΣΤΕΡΆ ΠΑΝΩ ΚΑΤΩ ΑΠΟ ΟΛΕΣ ΤΙΣ ΓΩΝΙΕΣ ΕΙΜΑΣΤΕ ΑΝΕΞΑΡΤΗΤΟ ΚΡΑΤΟΣ.. ΔΕΝ ΔΙΑΦΩΝΩ ΜΕ ΚΑΜΙΑ ΙΣΤΟΡΙΑ ΜΗ ΔΙΑΦΩΝΕΙΣ ΜΕ ΚΑΝΕΝΑ ΔΕΔΟΜΕΝΟ!! ΔΕΝ ΑΝΗΚΟΥΜΕ ΣΕ ΚΑΝΕΝΑ ΚΡΑΤΟΣ!! ΑΠΟ ΚΕΙ ΚΑΙ ΠΕΡΑ ΟΤΙ ΑΗΔΙΑ ΘΕΣ ΛΕΓΕ!!! ΔΕΝ ΘΑ ΣΥΖΗΤΩ ΤΑ ΑΥΤΟΝΟΗΤΑ ΟΥΤΕ ΝΑ ΣΥΖΗΤΩ ΟΤΙ Η ΚΥΠΡΟΣ ΔΕΝ ΕΙΝΑΙ ΒΡΑΧΟΝΗΣΙ ΓΕΙΤΟΝΙΚΗΣ ΧΏΡΑΣ ΓΙΑ ΝΑ ΒΟΛΕΥΕΣΤΕ ΕΠΔ ΕΡΧΕΣΤΕ ΑΝΑ ΧΙΛΙΑΔΕΣ ΕΔΩ ΓΙΑ ΔΟΥΛΕΙΆ!!! ΑΝΤΕ ΤΣΑΟ
after the division everyone has their peace, the island greeks in the south and the island turks in the north,
the massacre of the island greeks against the island turks is over.
"Megalo Idea" is buried.
Poorly done video by the Guardian. Not surprising at all...
Cyprus would not have been divided if the Greek Cypriot extremists had not massacred Turkish Cypriots and overthrown their own government back in 1974. As you sow, so shall you reap.
*cough cough* JERUSALEM. Doesn’t matter about what you think about the Israel-Palestine situation, the current agreement is that it is a divided capital.
Not recognised as a capital of anywhere though. Palestine is not a state currently and most countries recognise Tel Aviv as the capital of Israel.
2:00 English school is casually passing by
Uuhh... Belfast?
Cyprus is Greece not Turkey! 🇨🇾🇬🇷
TURKİSH REPUBLİC OF NOTHERN CYPRUS 🇹🇷
Hahahahaha illegal state!!! There is not a turkish republic in cyprus you fool
Erman is intelligent and attractive 😉😘 freedom ❤️
Cyprus is not an european island it belongs to the continent of asia.
So what does it change?
@@poppi510 nothing just pointing out a geographical fact.
We support Turkey from India